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www.youtube.com www.youtube.com
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the first thing to understand is human beings are relational beings
for - quote - first thing to understand is that humans are relational beings - John Churchill - adjacency - humans are relational beings John Churchill - Deep Humanity - individual / collective gestalt - self / other gestalt
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for - webcast - youtube - Amrit - Sandhu - Ex-Buddhist Monk reveals secret Tibetan Prophecy happening right now! Dr John Churchill Psy.D - adjacency - bodhisattva's universal vow of compassion - Deep Humanity individual / collective gestalt - Ernest Becker - Book - The birth and death of meaning - This adjacency is discussed more in the annotations
summary - A very good interview - Interdiscplinary presentation of psychology and Buddhist ideas - When he spoke about the relationship between the individual and the group, an epiphany of my own work on the Deep Humanity idea of the individual / collective gestalt suddenly took on a greater depth - An adjacency revealed itself upon his words, between - the universal compassion of the bodhisattva - Deep humanity idea of the individual / collective gestalt - the Deep Humanity Common Human Denominators (CHD) as pointing to the self / other fundamental identity - Freud, Winnicott, Kline's idea of the self formed by relationship with the other, in particular the mOTHER (Deep Humanity), the Most significant OTHER
source - referral from @Gyuri
to - Karuna Mandala - - https://hyp.is/Ghid4JwcEe-PK7OOKz5Vig/www.karunamandala.org/directors-advisors
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the soul is also a collective being right so you know you have to have done your own individual work so to speak before you do that because otherwise you're going to have conflicts with the with the collective because you know if you're not yet individuated you're going to have issues with a collective because you have to be paradoxically an individual in order to actually fully function within a collective without being swallowed
for - question - Can he give concrete examples of 'individual work"? - for John Churchill - insight - individual / collective gestalt - need to be fully formed individual to work effectively in a collective - John Churchill
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it isn't just about alleviating their own personal suffering it's also about alleviating Universal suffering so this is where the the bodh satra or the Christ or those kinds of archetypes about being concerned about the whole
for - example - individual's evolutionary learning journey - new self revisiting old self and gaining new insight - universal compassion of Buddhism and the individual / collective gestalt - adjacency - the universal compassion of the bodhisattva - Deep humanity idea of the individual / collective gestalt - the Deep Humanity Common Human Denominators (CHD) as pointing to the self / other fundamental identity - Freud, Winnicott, Kline's idea of the self formed by relationship with the other, in particular the mOTHER (Deep Humanity), the Most significant OTHER
adjacency - between - the universal compassion of the bodhisattva - Deep humanity idea of the individual / collective gestalt - the Deep Humanity Common Human Denominators (CHD) as pointing to the self / other fundamental identity - Freud, Winnicott, Kline's idea of the self formed by relationship with the other, in particular the mOTHER (Deep Humanity), the Most significant OTHER - adjacency relationship - When I heard John Churchill explain the second turning, - the Mahayana approach, - I was already familiar with it from my many decades of Buddhist teaching but with - those teachings in the rear view mirror of my life and - developing an open source, non-denominational spirituality (Deep Humanity) - Hearing these old teachings again, mixed with the new ideas of the individual / collective gestalt - This becomes an example of Indyweb idea of recording our individual evolutionary learning journey and - the present self meeting the old self - When this happens, new adjacencies can often surface - In this case, due to my own situatedness in life, the universal compassion of the bodhisattva can be articulated from a Deep Humanity perspective: - The Freudian, Klinian, Winnicott and Becker perspective of the individual as being constructed out of the early childhood social interactions with the mOTHER, - a Deep Humanity re-interpretation of "mother" to "mOTHER" to mean "the Most significant OTHER" of the newly born neonate. - A deep realization that OUR OWN SELF IDENTITY WAS CONSTRUCTED out of a SOCIAL RELATIONSHIP with mOTHER demonstrates our intertwingled individual/collective and self/other - The Deep Humanity "Common Human Denominators" (CHD) are a way to deeply APPRECIATE those qualities human beings have in common with each other - Later on, Churchill talks about how the sacred is lost in western modernity - A first step in that direction is treating other humans as sacred, then after that, to treat ALL life as sacred - Using tools like the CHD help us to find fundamental similarities while divisive differences might be polarizing and driving us apart - A universal compassion is only possible if we vividly see how we are constructed of the other - Another way to say this is that we see others not from an individual level, but from a species level
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- question - Can he give concrete examples of 'individual work"? - for John Churchill
- insight - individual / collective gestalt - need to be fully formed individual to work effectively in a collective - John Churchill
- adjacency - the universal compassion of the bodhisattva - Deep humanity idea of the individual / collective gestalt - the Deep Humanity Common Human Denominators (CHD) as pointing to the self / other fundamental identity - Freud, Winnicott, Kline's idea of the self formed by relationship with the other, in particular the mOTHER (Deep Humanity), the Most significant OTHER
- webcast - youtube - Amrit - Sandhu - Ex-Buddhist Monk reveals secret Tibetan Prophecy happening right now! Dr John Churchill Psy.D
- adjacency - humans are relational beings John Churchill - Deep Humanity - individual / collective gestalt - self / other gestalt
- quote - first thing to understand is that humans are relational beings - John Churchill
- adjacency - bodhisattva's universal vow of compassion - Deep Humanity individual / collective gestalt - Ernest Becker - Book - The birth and death of meaning
- interview - John Churchill
- buddhism and pyschology
- example - individual's evolutionary learning journey - new self revisiting old self and gaining new insight - universal compassion of Buddhism and the individual / collective gestalt
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for - article - substack - altruism - indigenous - Will Ruddick - adjacency - indigenous altruism mythology - Deep Humanity - individual / collective gestalt - source - Donna Nelham Summary - A brief but insightful article that clarifies the roots of common misunderstanding of - altruism practices in indigenous cultures. - As often the case, an oversimplification is the root of the misunderstanding - The oversimplification posits that such altruism is completely selfless, - but this contradicts common sense as well as the foundations of biology and evolution - From a Deep Humanity perspective, it again highlights the importance of the idea of the intertwingled individual / collective gestalt
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The notion of pure altruism attempts to create a dichotomy between the self and others, implying that true selflessness is possible. Yet, in reality, individuals exist within a web of relationships and mutual dependencies.
for - adjacency - pure altruism - selflessness - self / other dualism - individual / collective gestalt - Deep Humanity - biological limitations - evolutionary limitations
adjacency - between - pure altruism - selflessness - self / other dualism - individual / collective gestalt - Deep Humanity - biological limitations - evolutionary limitations - adjacency relationship - From an evolutionary and biological perspective, - the individual organism is district from other organisms and the environment - The individual is defined by a separating boundary and it must exchange energy and materials with it's environment as a necessary condition of survival. It must - receive and input nutrients inputs and - transmit, output and eliminate waste byproducts - The word 'selfless' is a polar abstraction. No individual can be 100% selfless or it would be an act of self-annihilation, a self-destructive act of denying 100% of all inputs necessary for its own survival - Existing as a living, individual organism requires some degree of individual self care - At the same time, the process of sexual reproduction, - in contrast to asexual reproduction - involves two organisms with sperm and egg, and is inherently social - In multi cellular organisms with highly complex social behaviours - such as our species - there is a strong learned component of concern for other as well - Pure selflessness is as rare as pure selfishness - Most of us have degrees of self care and degrees of care for others - Self and other are intertwingled, hence the Deep Humanity terms: - individual / collective gestalt - self / other gestalt
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- adjacency - pure altruism - selflessness - self / other dualism - individual / collective gestalt - Deep Humanity - biological limitations - evolutionary limitations
- source - Donna Nelham
- adjacency - indigenous altruism mythology - Deep Humanity - individual / collective gestalt
- article - substack - altruism - indigenous - Will Ruddick
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ageoftransformation.org ageoftransformation.org
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Culture as the ‘genetic code’ of the next leap
for - article - The End of Scarcity? From ‘Polycrisis’ to Planetary Phase Shift - Nafeez Ahmed - gene-culture coevolution - adjacency - indyweb dev - individual / collective evolutionary learning - provenance - tracing the evolution of ideas - gene-culture coevolution
adjacency - between - indyweb dev - individual / collective evolutionary learning - provenance - tracing the evolution of ideas - gene-culture coevolution - adjacency relationship - As DNA and epigenetics plays the role of transmitting biological adaptations, language and symmathesy play the role of transmitting cultural adaptations
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- gene-culture coevolution - Nafeez Ahmed
- gene-culture coevolution
- adjacency - indyweb dev - individual / collective evolutionary learning - provenance - tracing the evolution of ideas - gene-culture coevolution
- indyweb dev - individual / collective evolutionary learning - provenance - tracing the evolution of ideas
- article - The End of Scarcity? From ‘Polycrisis’ to Planetary Phase Shift - Nafeez Ahmed
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medium.com medium.com
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Effective collaboration is essential for mutual learning.
for - Deep Humanity - intertwingled individual / collective learning - evolutionary learning journey - symmathesy - mutual learning - Nora Bateson
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www.carnegie.org www.carnegie.org
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destruction of Individualism
for - critique - destruction of Individualism - The Gospel of Wealth - Andrew Carnegie - individual / collective Gestalt - Deep Humanity
critique - destruction of Individualism - The Gospel of Wealth - Andrew Carnegie - From a Deep Humanity perspective, the individual and the collective are intertwingled - This is the individual / collective gestalt - Communism and Capitalism are both extreme poles - the truth lies somewhere in the middle - which acknowledges both are individual AND collective nature simultaneously - and works to balance them
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- Sep 2024
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are you familiar with the concept of hyper object
for - Indyweb dev - tracking the evolution of individual / collective learning of social learning - hyperobject -example of - perspectival knowing - conversation - Micheal Levin - Jordan Hall
Comment - Both Jordan Hall and I are familiar with the concept of hyperobject but in this part of the conversation, Jordan introduced the idea to Micheal for the first time - This illustrates to me that truism that our perspectival knowledge of reality is unique - Our individual meaningverses and lebenswelt are uniquely located and situated in life - And whenever a multi meaningverse events, the ensuing conversation is collectively - consciousness expanding - expanding the - semantic fingerprint and - symmathesetic fingerprint - of all conversants
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this is astonishingly unnatural it's wrong from every perspective one can possibly look at it
for - potential disagreement - with - Bernardo Kastrup claim of unnaturality of normative self perspective - with - individual/collective gestalt - Major Evolutionary Transitions towards individuality
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- Aug 2024
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with the Verve foundation's help we set up ecologies of practices uh we have a practice called dialectic into dialogos that helps people get into mutually shared flow states of cognitive exploration and people discover collective intelligence as something that is phenomenologically present and almost agentic in what's happening
for - comparison - John Vervaeke - Vervaeke Foundation - collective intelligence dialogues - good alignment to Indyweb individual/collective gestalt - Deep Humanity
comparison - John Vervaeke - Vervaeke Foundation - collective intelligence dialogues - good alignment to Indyweb individual/collective gestalt - When he describes the mutually shared flow states where conversants discover collective intelligence as something that is phenomenologically present - it is a discovery of the intertwingledness between - individual and - collective - that is, the individual/collective gestalt described in Deep Humanity reference https://vervaekefoundation.or
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Considering oneself as separate from the rest of life is one example of such upsetting. If I imagine myself not as an “I” but as an emergent property of my ecosystem, I realise that I am (sub-ject) only insofar as we are (trans-ject).
for - Deep Humanity - individual / collective gestalt
Deep Humanity - individual / collective gestalt - subject / transect similar to - individual / collective gestalt
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I'm no longer truly an individual I'm always parasitic on this 00:13:10 larger relationship
for - adjacency - symbolic language - no longer individual - parasitic on larger relationship - Deep Humanity - individual / collective gestalt
adjacency - between - Terrence Deacon explanation of symbolic language - symbolic language - no longer individual but parasitic on collective - Deep Humanity - individual / collective gestalt - adjacency relationship - Deacon asserts that the successful use of symbolic language implies we are no longer truly individual, that is - isolated, but rather are dependent on the collective - The Deep Humanity praxis recognizes the same intertwingledness in defining the individual/collective gestalt
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I think one of the other mistakes that have been made in biology of the 20th century was
for - individual / collective gestalt - gene centrism - paradigm shift - adjacency - mistake of 20th century biology - reductionism - separating organism from environment - individual / collective gestalt, individual / environment gestalt - quote - mistake of 20th century biology - Ray Noble - key insight - mistake of 20th century biology- Ray Noble
quote - mistake of 20th century biology - Ray Noble - (see below)
- I think one of the other mistakes that have been made in biology of the 20th century
- was to treat organisms as if they existed within an environment that was sort of like some nebulous box as it were
- and you could study the organism by taking it out
- and you study it in isolation
- It's the beginning of reductionism in a sense because
- you taken it away from the environment but the organism has an intimate relationship with the environment
- It's feeding both
- to the environment and
- from the environment
- What is that environment?
- That environment in large part is
- other organisms of the same species but
- other organisms of different species
- That environment in large part is
- and it's in a continuous bubble of change
- It's like a cauldron of change
- So the big question for life is
- how do you maintain yourself in this cauldron of change?
- You cannot do it by standing still
- You have to respond to it
- so it's not surprising therefore that you find that you know organisms have mechanisms for responding to those changes
adjacency - mistake of 20th century biology - between - reductionism - separating organism from environment - individual / collective gestalt, - individual / environment gestalt - adjacency relationship - The mistake that 20th century biology has made is in - ascribing too much power to the gene, and - minimizing the role of epigenetics - Focusing the majority of attention and resources on the genes of the organism, and - defocusing attention on the organisms (epigenetic) interactions with the environment, including both - biotic elements and - abiotic elements - It's not the case that the genes are the major determinant factor and the epigenetics play a minor role - It IS the case that epigenetics play an equally important role in transmitting and assimilating features into the genome - The individual organism is intertwingled with its environment and with other living organisms - The individual / collective gestalt and the individual / environment gestalt is the appropriate unit of study
- I think one of the other mistakes that have been made in biology of the 20th century
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what it means to be human and about our relationship with the wider community of life.
for - Deep Humanity - individual / collective gestalt - Ernest Becker - Anthropological birth of the psychic self - timebound - symbolic - organizing principle for sensations and perceptions - Progress and Freedom - self / other duality
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www.themortalatheist.com www.themortalatheist.com
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our consciousness of self is a social construction. Symbolic self-representation is built from the outside in, which means our identities are, in essence, social products.
for - symbolosphere - individual / collective gestalt - Deep Humanity - quote
quote - self as social construction - our consciousness of self is a social construction. Symbolic self-representation is built from the outside in, which means our identities are, in essence, social products.
comment - good alignment and validation for Deep Humanity's individual collective gestalt
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greattransition.org greattransition.org
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Doing that requires new approaches to organizing for transformation where multiple initiatives connect, cohere, and amplify their individual and collective transformative action
for - key insight - global movement requirements - new organising system - indyweb /Indranet - people-centered - interpersonal - individual collective gestalt - a foundational idea of indyweb / Indranet epistemology - Deep Humanity - epistemological foundation of indyweb / Indranet
- The world cannot wait
- for us to learn or know everything that we need to know
- for bringing about purposeful system change
- towards desired and broadly shared aspirations
- for a more
- equitable,
- just, and
- ecologically flourishing
- world.
- The key question before us is
- how to become transformation catalysts
- that work with numerous associated
- initiatives and
- leaders
- to form
- purposeful and
- action-oriented
- transformation systems
- that build on the collective strength inherent
- in the many networks already working towards transformation.
- Doing that requires new approaches
- to organizing for transformation
- where multiple initiatives
- connect,
- cohere, and
- amplify
- their
- individual and
- collective
- transformative actions
Comment - indyweb / Indranet is ideally suited for this - seeing the mention of individual and collective in a sentence surfaced the new Deep Humanity concept of individual collective gestalt that is intrinsic to the epistemological foundation of the Indyweb / Indranet - This is reflected in the words to describe the Indyweb / Indranet as people-centered and interpersonal
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docdrop.org docdrop.org
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you have the slime mold and you put a piece of oat which the Slime wants to eat
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- You have the slime mold and you put a piece of oat which the Slime wants to eat and
- it starts to crawl towards that oat and then
- What you can do is you can take a razor blade and just cut off that leading edge
- the little piece of it that's moving towards the oat
- Now as soon as you've done that
- that little piece is a new individual and
- it has a decision to make
- it can go in and get the oat and exploit that resource and not have to share it with this giant mass of faizaram that's back here or
- it can first merge back and connect back to the original mass
- because they can reconnect quite easily and then they go get the oat
- Now the thing is that the the payoff Matrix looks quite different because
- when it's by itself it can do this calculus of "well, it's better for me to go get the food instead of and not share it with this other thing"
- but as soon as you connect, that payoff Matrix changes because there is no me and you
- there's just we and at that point it doesn't make any sense to the fact that
- you can't defect against yourself so that payoff table of actions and consequences looks quite different
- because some of the actions change the number of players and
- that's really weird
adjacency between - slime molds - me vs we -multicellular organisms - social superorganism and societal breakdown - adjacency statement - A simple slime mold experiment could make an excellent BEing journey - to demonstrate how multicellular beings operate through higher order organizational principle of collaboration that - keeps cells aligned with a common purpose, - but that each cellular unit also comes equipped with - an evolutionarily inherited legacy of individual control system - normally, the evolutionarily later and higher order collaborative signaling that keeps the multi-cellular being unified overrides the lower order, evolutionarily more primitive autonomous cellular control system - however, pathological conditions can occur that disrupt the collaborative signaling, causing an override condition, and individual cells to revert back to their more primitive legacy survival system - The same principles happen at a societal level. - In a healthy, well-functioning society, the collaborative signaling keeps the society together - but if it is severely disrupted, social order breakdown ensues and - individual human beings and small groups resort to individual survival behavior
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Due to its strong focus on the meso‑level and dynamics between niches, regimes, and the landscape, transition studies have largely neglected the manifestation of loss, as well as corresponding emotions, in individuals’ lives (Köhler et al., 2019).
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- This is really the equivalent of the ignorance of the individual/collective gestalt within Stop Reset Go's Deep Humanity framework.
- When we don't realize the profound intertwingularity of the individual with the collective, and ignore the individual pole, it results in alienation.
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I think it could be an 00:43:52 enormously traumatic difficult process this Century potentially involving a huge amount of violence but I also think that it's a genuine possibility for these three reasons
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I'm tempted to say you can look at uh broadscale social organization uh or like Network Dynamics as an even larger portion of that light 00:32:43 cone but it doesn't seem to have the same continuity well I don't you mean uh it doesn't uh like first person continuity like it doesn't like you think it doesn't it isn't like anything to be 00:32:55 that social AG agent right and and we we both are I think sympathetic to pan psychism so saying even if we only have conscious access to what it's like to be 00:33:08 us at this higher level like it's there's it's possible that there's something that it's like to be a cell but I'm not sure it's possible that there's something that there's something it's like to be say a country
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- True, there is no physical cohesion that binds human beings together into a larger organism, but there is another dimension - informational cohesion.
- This informational cohesion expresses itself in cumulative cultural evolution. Even this very discussion they are having is an example of that
- The social superorganism is therefore composed of an informational body and not a physical one and one can think of its major mentations as collective, consensual ideas such as popular memes, movements, governmental or business actions and policies
- I slept on this and this morning, realized how salient Adam's question was to my own work
- The comments here build and expand upon what I thought yesterday (my original annotations)
- The main connections to my own sense-making work are:
- Within our specific human species, the deep entanglement between self and other (the terminology that our Deep Humanity praxis terms the "individual / collective gestalt")
- The Deep Humanity / SRG claim that the concurrent meaning / meta / poly crisis may be an evolutionary test foreshadowing the next possible Major Evolutionary Transition in Individuality.<br />
- https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&any=MET+in+Individuality
- As Adam notes, collective consciousness may be more a metaphorical rather than a literal so a social superorganism, (one reference refers to it as Homni
- may be metaphorical only as this higher order individual lacks the physical signaling system to create a biological coherence that, for instance, an animal body possesses.
- Nevertheless, the informational connections do exist that bind individual humans together and it is not trivial.
- Indeed, this is exactly what has catapulted our species into modernity where our cumulative cultural evolution (CCE) has defined the concurrent successes and failures of our species. Modernity's meaning / meta / polycrisis and progress traps are a direct result of CCE.
- Humanity's intentions and its consequences, both intended and unintended are what has come to shape the entire trajectory of the biosphere. So the impacts of human CCE are not trivial at all. Indeed, a paper has been written proposing that human information systems could be the next Major System Transition (MST) that could lead to another future MET that melds biotic and abiotic
- This circles back to Adam's question and what has just emerged for me is this question:
- Is it possible that we could evolve in some kind of hybrid direction where we are biologically still separate individuals BUT deeply intertwingled informationally through CCE and something like the theoretical Indyweb/Indranet which is an explicit articulation of our theoretical informational connectivity?
- In other words, could "collective consciousness be explicitly defined in terms of an explicit, externalized information system reflecting intertwingled individual/collective learning?
- The Indyweb / Indranet informational laminin protein / connective tissue that informationally binds individuals to others in an explicit, externalized means of connecting the individual informational nodes of the social superorganism, giving it "collective consciousness" (whereas prior to Indyweb / Indranet, this informational laminin/connective tissue was not systematically developed so all informational connection, for example of the existing internet, is incomplete and adhoc)
- The major trajectory paths that global or localized cultural populations take can become an indication of the behavior of collective consciousness.
- Voting, both formal and informal is an expression of consensus leading to consensual behavior and the consensual behavior could be a reflection of Homni's collective consciousness
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- While socially annotating this video, a few insights occurred after last night's sleep:
- Hypothes.is lacks timebound sequence granularity. Indyweb / Indranet has this feature built in and we need it for social annotation. Why? All the information within this particular annotation cannot be machine sorted into a time series. As the social annotator, I actually have to point out which information came first, second, etc. This entire comment, for instance was written AFTER the original very short annotation. Extra tags were updated to reflect the large comment.
- I gained a new realization of the relationship and intertwingularity of individual / collective learning while writing and reflecting on this social annotation. I think it's because of Adam's question that really revolves around MET of Individuality and the 3 conversant's questioning of the fluid and fuzzy boundary between "self" and "other"
- Namely, within Indyweb / Indranet there are two learning pillars that make up the entirety of external sensemaking:
- the first is social annotation of the work of others
- the second is our own synthesis of what we learned from others (ie. our social annotations)
- It is the integration of these two pillars that is the sum of our sensemaking parts. Social annotations allow us to sample the edge of the sensemaking work of others. After all, when we ingest one specific information source of others, it is only one of possibly many. Social annotations reflect how our whole interacts with their part. However, we may then integrate that peripheral information of the other more deeply into our own sensemaking work, and that's where we must have our own central synthesizing Indyweb / Indranet space to do that work.
- It is this interplay between different poles that constitute CCE and symmathesy, mutual learning.
- adjacency between
- Indyweb / Indranet name space
- Indranet
- automatic vs manual references / citations
- adjacency statement
- Oh man, it's so painful to have to insert all these references and citations when Indranet is designed to do all this! A valuable new meme just emerged to express this:
- Pain between the existing present situation and the imagined future of the same si the fuel that drives innovation.
- Oh man, it's so painful to have to insert all these references and citations when Indranet is designed to do all this! A valuable new meme just emerged to express this:
- Namely, within Indyweb / Indranet there are two learning pillars that make up the entirety of external sensemaking:
- While socially annotating this video, a few insights occurred after last night's sleep:
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quote: Gien
- Pain between an existing present situation and an imagined, improved future is the fuel that drives innovation.
- date: 2023, Nov 8
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- comparison - social superorganism - multicellular organism
- meta crisis
- individual/collective gestalt
- quote - innovation
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- Deep Humanity
- DH
- meaning crisis
- Indyweb / Indranet
- social superorganism
- polycrisis
- cumulative cultural evolution
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- Oct 2023
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people are in denial and people are passive so here's where the personal psychological feeds into the social and historical
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- when people are individually conditioned to be
- in denial because they cannot deal with the pain and
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- this supports large scale historical denial
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it's hard to people to understand that you can be victim and perpetrator at the 00:35:03 same time it's a very simple fact impossible to accept for most people either you're a victim or you're perpetrator there is no other but no usually we are both you know from the level of individuals how we behave in 00:35:17 our family to the level of entire nations we are usually both and and and of course perhaps one issue is that we don't feel like that as individuals we don't feel that we have the full responsibility for our state so there's 00:35:28 a sort of strange problem here too which is that you feel as an individual that you're a victim and you feel distance from your state
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- It's hard for people to understand that you can be victim and perpetrator at the same time
- It's a very simple fact impossible to accept for most people
- author: Yuval Noah Harari
- date: Sept 2023
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We need both, individual and collective.
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ou certainly have a light cone that does not belong to any of your pieces
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- a human being certainly has a light cone that does not belong to any of its pieces (ie cells)
- at the conscious level of a human being, we have
- goals
- preferences
- hopes
- dreams
- narratives
- humans occupy spaces that do not belong to our individual cells, tissues or organs
- those smaller parts work in
- physiological space
- transcriptional space
- biomolecular space
- those smaller parts work in
- When we were an embryo we worked in morphogenetic space
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- Since MET implies that these smaller structures of which we are constituted like
- cells and
- sub-cellular structures like mitochondria
- were descended from individual organisms long ago in deep history, those contemporary proxies are occupying their own umwelt
- Since MET implies that these smaller structures of which we are constituted like
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- If one zooms in, you find out that we are all in fact collective intelligence
- author: Michael Levin
- date: 2022
- source:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLiHLDrOTW8
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for: superorganism, multi-level superorganism, collective intelligence, individual-collective gestalt, Michael Levin,
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title: Cell Intelligence in Physiological and Morphological Spaces
- author: Michael Levin
- date 2022
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- This is a talk on collective intelligence in unconventional spaces
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- morphological space
- quote - Michael Levin
- multi-level superorganism
- collective intelligence
- individual-collective gestalt
- quote - collective intelligence
- cell intelligence
- individual/collective gestalt
- quote - individual / collective gestalt
- quote - superorganism
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- superorganism
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norabateson.wordpress.com norabateson.wordpress.com
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- for: symmathesy, mutual learning, mutual transcontextual learning, individual collective entanglement, Indyweb, Indraweb, Indynet, Indranet
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definition: symmathesy
- mutual transcontextual learning in living systems
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- symmathesy lay at the heart of the Indyweb and Indraweb
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norabateson.medium.com norabateson.medium.com
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- for: symmathesy, mutual learning, mutual transcontextual learning, individual collective entanglement, Indyweb, Indraweb, Indynet, Indranet
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definition: symmathesy
- mutual transcontextual learning
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- symmathesy lay at the heart of the Indyweb and Indraweb
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- Aug 2023
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docdrop.org docdrop.org
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to live for the common good is a very good purpose but purpose is a gift and the purpose of our life here on Earth is to change the environment which we met for something better because there is 00:21:54 always an opportunity for something better [Music] or to be in a learning mode and we when we know things to be in a teaching mode 00:22:11 also that is propagating what we know sharing it with others and making this knowledge open source for the world and especially to help train a young 00:22:24 generation of new leaders who are going to be the ones that grapple with these problems
- for: open source, indyweb, open learning commons, radical collaboration, individual / collective entanglement
- paraphrase
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- to live for the common good is a very good purpose but
- purpose is a gift and the purpose of our life here on Earth is to change the environment which we met for something better because there is always an opportunity for something better
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- Obiora Ike
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- I would urge us all to be in a learning mode and
- we when we know things to be in a teaching mode also
- that is propagating what we know
- sharing it with others and
- making this knowledge open source for the world and
- especially to help train a young generation of new leaders who are going to be the ones that grapple with these problems
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- Jeffrey Sachs
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docdrop.org docdrop.org
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if you ask about things like lack projects or reality projects on the individual level you know I was talking 00:32:01 about how the separation is a delusion it's uncomfortable we become preoccupied with trying to find something out here that'll fill up our sense of lack and you know we can Wonder is there 00:32:13 something comparable at the civilizational level and frankly I think that there is I think that it is our Collective preoccupation with progress
- for: progress trap, sense of lack, the lack project, collective lack project, individual lack project
- key insight
- progress, and the shadow side, the progress trap
- is the collective lack project, that corresponds to the individual's lack project
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theconversation.com theconversation.com
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- for: entanglement, individual/collective entanglement
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- Jul 2023
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davidkorten.org davidkorten.org
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Civil society is the sector where the power of We thePeople ultimately and properly resides.
- for: collective action, bottom-up, bottom-up movement, M2W, individual/collective
- Civil society is the sector where the power of We the People ultimately and properly resides.
- Consequently, in the fully functioning Ecological Civilization,
- government and business sectors must be
- creations of and
- accountable to
- a civil society of people who embrace
- the rights and
- responsibilities
- of their citizenship at all system levels from - the local to - the global.
- We can be citizens of only one locality.
- But we are all citizens of Earth—and the many levels in between.
- This must be acknowledged by any truly democratic system of self-governance.
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- May 2023
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docdrop.org docdrop.org
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winnicott once said you know there's no such thing as a baby there's only a baby and someone
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"gestation rewires your brain in fundamental ways um you it rewire it primes you for caretaking as a as a mother in a way which is far more visceral and far it's it's pre-rational it's it's immensely transformative experience and it's permanent you know once you've been rewired for mummy brain you'd never really go back um and that from the point of view of raising a child that matters um because when after a baby is born it's you know as winnicott once said you know there's no such thing as a baby there's only a baby and someone there's a a baby doesn't exist as an independent entity until it's some years some years into its life arguably quite a few years into its life um and what I would say about artificial wounds is that you may be you may think that what you're doing is creating a baby without the misery of gestation but what you're doing in practice is creating a baby without creating a mother because a pregnancy doesn't just create a baby it also creates a mother"
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- This is alluding to our altricial nature, which makes us human INTERbeings from before birth
- https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=100&expanded=true&user=stopresetgo&exactTagSearch=true&tag=altricial
- We are socially entangled even before our birth
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www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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"It is clear that individuals in their variety of social roles can contribute significantly in emissions reduction," says Joyashree Roy, professor of economics at Jadavpur University in Kolkata, India. But unless they are supported by the right infrastruture, technology and policy incentives, she says, this cannot achieve its full potential.
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- this statement epitomizes the crux of the matter
- that demonstrates the entanglement between
- a collective of (bottom-up) individuals and
- top-down, system level actors
- This is why the often-repeated mantra "individual actions don't matter" is not accurate
- the contribution of individual actions DO matter, but only if it is supported by:
- policy
- ubiquitous 1.5C infrastructure
- affordable 1.5C technologies and services
- There is a MASS of people wanting to make the change
- but that cannot happen unless it is
- behaviorally and
- economically pragmatic to do so
- but that cannot happen unless it is
- the contribution of individual actions DO matter, but only if it is supported by:
- the real question to ask
- in order to mobilize a bottom-up 1.5C lifestyle shift is
- where are the leverage points for bottom-up actors (we individuals) to impact the top-down actors?
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- Feb 2023
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docdrop.org docdrop.org
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around that same time i got a call from my daughter you know leave it to your kids and she said you know mom it's 00:03:48 just that all the problems we're dealing with in the world right now are insidious and um you know it came up last night siva was talking about the insidiousness 00:04:01 of the facebook problem and and this was an unlocker for me of what what does it mean for something to be insidious so i looked it up and i started to 00:04:14 explore and it turns out that insidious is defined and i think this is from the you know the oxford on the internet not the original but um that there's proceeding in a gradual 00:04:27 subtle way but with very harmful effects in other words there's something that's that's gathering combining in an unseen way that's leading to danger
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- this is an example of how granular social learning, the evolution of consciousness and entangled and individual and collective learning takes place in a mundane way
- another person relays an idea to us
- it resonates with us by connecting to some point
- in our salience landscape
- in this case, caused Nora to look up the word "insidious" that appeared in the words of her daughter
- and caused her to think of the meaning as something that starts out small and apparently harmless,
- but gathering and combining in an unseen way to become dangerous
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- Jan 2023
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humansandnature.org humansandnature.org
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Let me pose the question in the following way: Is the condition of autonomia fulfilled or undermined by the condition of sumbiōsis? Could it be that autos and sumbios—the most fully realized, best self and the companion—are two sides of the same coin; that is to say, entangled?
!- comment : autonomy and symbiosis entangled - this goes to the heart of Deep Humanity, the entangled individual / collective
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docdrop.org docdrop.org
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the tragedy of the Commons is not so much that it's Commons per se but that it's a cooperation problem that he described I 00:01:48 think very clearly that environmental degradation is often a social dilemma is often a cooperation problem and be it a commons or not the regulatory structure 00:02:02 or the the social structure can vary but cooperation problems are are important however of course he said his famous line this paper is you know solution is mutual coercion mutually agreed upon and and so that's 00:02:18 institutions right so the solution is institutions and of course we have other people who have said that very clearly and with a lot of wonderful evidence to back it up Elinor Ostrom being at the 00:02:31 top of that list and and her work on common pool resources and contains this fantastic list of sort of key design 00:02:44 elements that have emerged from studying small-scale common pool resource communities and and these are these are factors that tend to make those communities more successful in managing 00:02:56 those resources sustainably so so that's great
!- mitigating : tragedy of the commons - Elinor Ostrom's design principles - It's often a cooperation problem - it is a social dilemma pitting individual vs collective interest
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docdrop.org docdrop.org
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can dive deeper into how you how you practice a spirituality that promotes both an individual well-being and the 00:09:02 health of our society and our environment like well it's interesting you ask that question because at the root of it or you could say the the presumption of that is is the kind 00:09:14 of duality or separation between the two right yeah exactly i mean i'm i'm reminded of something joanna macy uh said um the world has a role to play in our awakening 00:09:28 um i think many of us still have a kind of romanticized idea about the path even the bodhisattva path the idea that somehow you might go off to a cave and meditate really hard or something and 00:09:40 then when you're deeply enlightened then you return to the world and become engaged you know returning to the marketplace and i think frankly that's a bit simplistic if not if not naive it's like 00:09:54 the two go hand in hand uh because they reinforce each other you know um i think that when we start buddhist practice perhaps inevitably there there's a kind 00:10:07 of self-preoccupation because what brings us to it i mean there's some some suffering some dissatisfaction in our own lives why else would we spend so much time energy and money you know 00:10:20 making sore legs and backs for ourselves um but as we progress you know as as we get more insight into what's going on then if things are going well we eventually 00:10:33 begin to realize that at the root of our dissatisfaction is the delusion of separation yes from from other people and from the rest of the world
!- integrating : individual and collective wellbeing - David Loy offers a clear explanation of the entangled nature of self-and-other - we begin the journey of self improvement due to problems in our personal lives, that is the motivation - but as we continue the journey, we may discover that it is our separation from others and from nature herself that is the cause of our dis-satisfaction - David quotes Joanna Macy, who said that "the world has a role to play in our awakening"
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- Dec 2022
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docdrop.org docdrop.org
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i'm going to be doing a powerpoint presentation for which i apologize because i know you're probably sick and tired of these in the zoom world but we do need um to do that in order to 00:09:49 make things work
!- limitations of : current presentation technology !- question : why are people tired of powerpoint presentation technology? - possibly because it is not truly interactive and is simplex (one direction) communication - an alternative technology model is offered by Indyweb, which is based on the people-centered, interpersonal ecosystem founded on Deep Humanity principles of the individual/collective entanglement - The Indyweb /Deep Humanity model articulates a new language that is more aligned to person without a self: it recognizes the human being (noun) as a process (verb) related to the entangled individual / collective
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- Sep 2022
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docdrop.org docdrop.org
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the human brain I've argued for at least two million years has co-evolved with the emergence of these distributed networks and it can't realize its design 00:02:13 potential is to say we wouldn't even be speaking for example until it is immersed in such a network these networks themselves 00:02:24 generate complex cognitive structures which were connected to and which reformat our our brains and therefore the brains task is is very complex we have to assimilate the structures of 00:02:37 culture and manage them and I'm going to argue that a lot of our most complex thinking strategies are actually culturally imposed in the starting point 00:02:51 of the human journey
!- for : individual / collective gestalt - In Deep Humanity praxis, the individual / collective gestalt is fundamental - the individual is enmeshed and entangled with culture before birth - culture affects individual and individual affects culture in entangled feedback loops
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- Jun 2022
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besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com
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The experts were asked to independently provide a comprehensive list of levers and leverage points for global sustainability, based on the potential for disproportionate effects to address and reverse the deterioration of nature while meeting societal needs. They were asked to consider actions by the full range of possible actors, and both top-down and bottom-up effects across various sectors. The collection of all responses became our initial set of levers and leverage points. Ensuing processes were then informed by five linked conceptualizations of transformative change identified by the experts (Chan et al., 2019): ● Complexity theory and leverage points of transformation (Levin et al., 2013; Liu et al., 2007; Meadows, 2009); ● Resilience, adaptability and transformability in social–ecological systems (Berkes, Colding, & Folke, 2003; Folke et al., 2010); ● A multi-level perspective for transformative change (Geels, 2002); ● System innovations and their dynamics (Smits, Kuhlmann, & Teubal, 2010; OECD, 2015) and ● Learning sustainability through ‘real-world experiments’ (Geels, Berkhout, & van Vuuren, 2016; Gross & Krohn, 2005; Hajer, 2011).
Set of levers and leverage points identified by the authors.
Creating an open public network for radical collaboration, which we will call the Indyweb, can facilitate bottom-up engagement to both educate the public on these levers as well as be an application space to crowdsource the public to begin sharing local instantiations of these levers.
An Indyweb that is in the form of an interpersonal space in which each individual is the center of their data universe, and in which they can see all the data from their diverse digital interactions across the web and in real life all consolidated in one place offers a profound possibility for both individual and collective learning. Such an Indyweb would bring the relational nature of the human being, the so called "human INTERbeing" alive, and would effortlessly emerge the human INTERbeing explicitly as the natural form merely from its daily use. One can immediately see the relational nature of individual learning, how it is so entangled with collective learning, and would be reinforced with each social interaction on the web or in real life. This is what is needed to track both individual inner transformation (IIT) as well as collective outer transformation (COT) towards a rapid whole system change mobilization. Accelerated by a program of open access Deep Humanity (DH) knowledge that plumbs the very depth of what it is to be human, this can accelerate the indirect drivers of change and provide practical tools for granular monitoring of both IIT and COT.
Could we use AI to search for levers and leverage points?
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- May 2022
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www.usmcu.edu www.usmcu.edu
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A guiding principle will be to make the hyper-response as not only fun and enjoyable as possible but also meaningful via a vibrant grand narrative approach that connects the mission to conceptions of identity, values, and evolving worldviews.
Gamification will play a critical role to tap into the human psychology that will encourage proactive action. Bend-the-Curve is the glocal game proposed as a way to mobilize ordinary citizens aggregate community scale response teams.
As part of this gamification, a private Transform application within the public and open Indyweb can facilitate individual inner transformation, synchronize that to individual outer (behavior) transformation and synchronize that to collective inner and outer transformation at the respective community collective scale and finally aggregating all community impacts, to the global collective transformation scale. Built in data privacy of the Indyweb insures that everyone can contribute data to the aggregator in a completely anonymous way. All of this is designed to operationalize Donella Meadow's insight that inner transformation of worldviews, paradigms and value systems is the most powerful of all leverage points.
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- Sep 2021
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www.mdpi.com www.mdpi.com
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Building upon Sweeney and Rhinesmith’s approach, and bringing the conceptualizations of care [14,33,34], I propose the following framework:I define social practices as the acts of care performed by individuals and afforded by CTCs in order to promote self and community needs;Based on this study’s ethnography, I categorize social practices into three groups:Care work: the invisible work performed by the infomediaries, or any CTC worker, as described by Sweeney and Rhinesmith;Peer-to-peer care: individuals (CTC users) collaborating with each other so they can inform, take decisions, and strive towards their individual needs; andCommunity care: individuals (CTC users and infomediaries) acting collaboratively or individually in order to promote community wellbeing.It is important to emphasize that social practices also include other social acts that are not necessarily “care”, but given the interactions observed in the CTCs in the favelas, I chose an explicit care-focused lens as the basis of this framework in order to breakdown the social practices in a way that could help make a case for the importance of the CTCs beyond their ICT-focused roles.
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- Apr 2021
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psyarxiv.com psyarxiv.com
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Keshmirian, A., Bahrami, B., & Deroy, O. (2021, April 27). Many Heads Are More Utilitarian Than One. https://doi.org/10.31234/osf.io/7e3dc
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- Jul 2020
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Bordalo, P., Coffman, K. B., Gennaioli, N., & Shleifer, A. (2020). Older People are Less Pessimistic about the Health Risks of Covid-19 (Working Paper No. 27494; Working Paper Series). National Bureau of Economic Research. https://doi.org/10.3386/w27494
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- Apr 2018
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wisc.pb.unizin.org wisc.pb.unizin.org
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Thus the grass my horse has bit; the turfs my servant has cut; and the ore I have digged in any place, where I have a right to them in common with others, become my property, without the assignation or consent of any body. The labour that was mine, removing them out of that common state they were in, hath fixed my property in them.
It would be very interesting to discuss this and the surrounding passages in light of the armed standoff that occurred in either Oregon or Washington about a year ago regarding the use of federal lands for grazing purposes by the local ranchers.
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