Example of a public Zettelkasten using TiddlyWiki by Soren Bjornstad. https://zettelkasten.sorenbjornstad.com/

He's open sourced portions of it for use by others who are interested.

This is the key feature you should consider before deciding how to implement your ZettelkastenIsForLifeNotJustForChristmas.

This makes me want to create RoundPegRoundHole. But then I'm not sure whether this should be in h. or tw. I would lean towards a public tw which has the feeling of TV Tropes in that it's a database of patterns. Perhaps that's the use case of publishing a subset of a tw/Zettelkasten.

The other (meta) thought this generated was how the decision of whether to be public or private interrupts the pleasant flow that comes from knowing exactly where to put a note and how to divide a thought. This is what experience tiddlywiki fluency is trying to capture.

Takes a while to grok without a guide. Maybe this is that guide!

Origin story of TW implementation.

Route 1 to pragmatic Zettelkastening!

Zettelkasten example using my preferred toolchain.

Possibly the quickest way to get the technique under your fingers by browsing the author's example.

In TiddlyWiki this just means having > 1 tiddler visible.

Doable in TiddlyWiki as it's just guidance on how to write tiddlers.

Structure notes is a technical term. They're "meta-notes" in that they're notes that point to other notes containing content.

This seems to be what Ahrens means by a "sequence". I guess there's one explicit sequence defined by notes and their forward/back links, but structure notes can create used to arbitrary sequences.

This also seems to be the key mechanism by which a linear narrative is created.

Here's a real-life example using Obsidian. I suspect the success is in the use rather than the tool, and I would go for TiddlyWiki.

I'm not sold on Obsidian. I think TiddlyWiki has equivalent (and more) features (albeit requiring plugins for graphing), a more robust architecture, and a more open license.

Horses for courses I guess, but depending on Obsidian's evolution, I suspect other writers might end up looking for alternatives.

Yes! This is the killer feature of TiddlyWiki. I think of it as some kind of intrinsic reward associated with cognitive outsourcing/offloading. Don't hear this mentioned often.

These "atoms" also seem like the fruit of the insight process, e.g. the moment when Leo Szilard conceived nuclear fission whilst waiting to cross the road near Russell Square. Oh! I just noticed the atom pun! Entirely accidental.

The "atomising" aspect is also key to making "molecules".

This whole rabbit hole that led to discovering hypothes.is originated because I wanted to suggest TiddlyWiki to an Obsidian user. It seems all roads lead to @chrisaldrich!

in 2023, I find myself missing the seeming constancy of the old "gang":

• https://www.kickscondor.com/ - inactive since July 2022
• https://philosopher.life - site seems to have gone offline in late December 2022
• https://sphygm.us/ - slowed down in late 2021 and quit updates in January 2022
• https://wiki.waifu.haus/ - seems to be considering

I share the advantages of having more the one visible tiddler. In my case, I have been using a multicolumn layout like the one in our TRPG wiki particularly in my tablet. I don't get the fluent edition experience I will like, and the panoramic+detailed view I can get with (meta) editors like Leo Editor or Doom Emacs. But TW has several important advantages over them: it is pretty multi-device, self-contained and over all easier to introduce to non-programmers, as extensive teaching/facilitating experience (700+ hours) in workshops, since 2015 has shown trying to introduce meta tools/systems to non programmers, which is a main concern of my practices and research.

For this advantajes regarding flat files and their programmability, we are using our custom build package TiddlyWikiPharo which allows us to have the single file approach while not using NodeJS (so, keeping at bay its incidental complexity). Our flat files are STON files, serialized from the live representation of the tiddlers objects from the Smalltalk image to the filesystem.

And while is still possible to use Unix tools to extract/modify data over those plain files, we prefer to manipulate the tiddlers lively/directly inside the image, with all the advantages of a emergent DSL that give us to have the tidllers represented as a collection of live objects, as shown in the Malleable Systems Wiki data narrative. Also, instead of just plain text Unix scripts, we can build, share and publish complete interactive data narratives involving the import/export and manipulation of tiddlers (as the afore mentioned one).

https://xememex.com/

Appears to be a TiddlyWiki farm, possibly for collaborative work?

TiddlyWiki's philosophy now is that the purpose of recording and organising information is so that it can be used again.<br><br>To maximise the possibilities for reuse, write or slice information into the smallest semantically meaningful units, and weave them together into narratives.

— TiddlyWiki (@TiddlyWiki) September 20, 2022

The first demo of TidlyWiki from 2004 took the ideas of wiki and applied them to fragments rather than entire pages. The hypothesis was that it would be easier to write in small interlinked chunks that could be gradually massaged into a linear narrativehttps://t.co/v2v6dyL3Oy pic.twitter.com/MJO7tyopr2

— TiddlyWiki (@TiddlyWiki) September 20, 2022

TiddlyWiki was inspired by @WardCunningham's glorious idea of wiki – more than anything by the way that wiki makes linking be part of the punctuation of writing. https://t.co/pLPfYcCJY2

— TiddlyWiki (@TiddlyWiki) September 20, 2022

https://lu.ma/tftrocks-oct22

Pol Baladas https://batou.xyz<br /> Fermat<br /> https://fermat.ws/<br /> https://app.fermat.ws/

I'm a [[TiddlyWiki Maximalist]]. —Boris Mann

Paul Shen https://twitter.com/_paulshen<br /> Natto<br /> https://natto.dev

reply to u/m_t_rv_s__n https://www.reddit.com/r/Zettelkasten/comments/y2pzuu/does_anyone_else_work_in_projectbased_systems/

Historically, many had zettelkasten which were commonplace books kept on note cards, usually categorized by subject (read: "folders" or "tags"), so you're not far from that original tradition.

Similar to your work pattern, you may find the idea of a "Pile of Index Cards" (PoIC) interesting. See https://lifehacker.com/the-pile-of-index-cards-system-efficiently-organizes-ta-1599093089 and https://www.flickr.com/photos/hawkexpress/albums/72157594200490122 (read the descriptions of the photos for more details; there was also a related, but now defunct wiki, which you can find copies of on Archive.org with more detail). This pattern was often seen implemented in the TiddlyWiki space, but can now be implemented in many note taking apps that have to do functionality along with search and tags. Similarly you may find those under Tiago Forte's banner "Building a Second Brain" to be closer to your project-based/productivity framing if you need additional examples or like-minded community. You may find that some of Nick Milo's Linking Your Thinking (LYT) is in this productivity spectrum as well. (Caveat emptor: these last two are selling products/services, but there's a lot of their material freely available online.)

Luhmann changed the internal structure of his particular zettelkasten that created a new variation on the older traditions. It is this Luhmann-based tradition that many in r/Zettelkasten follow. Since many who used the prior (commonplace-based) tradition were also highly productive, attributing output to a particular practice is wrongly placed. Each user approaches these traditions idiosyncratically to get them to work for themselves, so ignore naysayers and those with purist tendencies, particularly when they're new to these practices or aren't aware of their richer history. As the sub-reddit rules indicate: "There is no [universal or orthodox] 'right' way", but you'll find a way that is right for you.

Inside the very specific realm of personal knowledge bases, TiddlyWiki is the killer app when it comes to using blocks and having structured, translatable data behind them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWkwOefBPZY

Some of the basic outline of this looks like OER (Open Educational Resources) and its "five Rs": Retain, Reuse, Revise, Remix and/or Redistribute content. (To which I've already suggested the sixth: Request update (or revision control).

Some of this is similar to:

The Read Write Web is no longer sufficient. I want the Read Fork Write Merge Web. #osb11 lunch table. #diso #indieweb [Tantek Çelik](http://tantek.com/2011/174/t1/read-fork-write-merge-web-osb110

Idea of collections of learning as collections or "playlists" or "readlists". Similar to the old tool Readlist which bundled articles into books relatively easily. See also: https://boffosocko.com/2022/03/26/indieweb-readlists-tools-and-brainstorming/

Use of Wiki version histories

Some of this has the form of a Wiki but with smaller nuggets of information (sort of like Tiddlywiki perhaps, which also allows for creating custom orderings of things which had specific URLs for displaying and sharing them.) The Zettelkasten idea has some of this embedded into it. Shared zettelkasten could be an interesting thing.

Data is the new soil. A way to reframe "data is the new oil" but as a part of the commons. This fits well into the gardens and streams metaphor.

Jerry, have you seen Matt Ridley's work on Ideas Have Sex? https://www.ted.com/talks/matt_ridley_when_ideas_have_sex Of course you have: https://app.thebrain.com/brains/3d80058c-14d8-5361-0b61-a061f89baf87/thoughts/3e2c5c75-fc49-0688-f455-6de58e4487f1/attachments/8aab91d4-5fc8-93fe-7850-d6fa828c10a9

I've heard Jerry mention the idea of "crystallization of knowledge" before. How can we concretely link this version with Cesar Hidalgo's work, esp. Why Information Grows.

Cross reference Jerry's Brain: https://app.thebrain.com/brains/3d80058c-14d8-5361-0b61-a061f89baf87/thoughts/4bfe6526-9884-4b6d-9548-23659da7811e/notes

https://maya.land/technicalities/hypothesis-python/

python to grab hypothes.is annotations and put them in a tiddlywiki

https://glitch.com/edit/#!/soapy-chalk-maiasaura?path=README.md%3A1%3A0

https://maya.land/notetaking/

Maya.land talks about their methods of note taking and a nice looking TiddlyWiki set up hosted on Glitch.me.

https://groktiddlywiki.com/read/

Desde el texto, es claro con la idea que desea comunicar. No se si de esta forma el texto sea la mejor forma de por hacer llegar la información de su uso. Esto al poder aprovechar la virtualidad y sus recursos como el video donde puede condensar mucha información de forma grafica, un poco mas inteligible para las personas que puedan querer iniciar en el tema.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjpjE5pMZMI

Nice overview of using TiddlyWiki for an online zettelkasten. Some obvious influence by Andy Matuschak in here.

Some of the work looks a little bit Wiki like, but seems to stay within bounds. Would have been nice if he showed how he used it as a tool once he's got the pieces together, especially if he actually does it this way.

Interesting to see this same sort of contextual background here as in TiddlyWiki which calls the space a "river". TiddlyWiki does this in a vertical scrolling space where as Federated Wiki does it horizontally.

Build a mind map from wiki topics using Vis.js.

Exporting references from Zotero to Tiddlywiki https://www.rousette.org.uk/archives/exporting-references-from-zotero-to-tiddlywiki/

A recipe for doing just that ^^

http://tw5.scholars.tiddlyspot.com/

Some clever UI affordances in this version.

Me gusta que algunas de sus ideas, a pesar de no ser tan populares, están dispersas y han persistido en el desarrollo de algunas tecnologías, como la transclusión que es posible hacerla en herramientas como TiddlyWiki

https://talk.fission.codes/t/tiddlywiki-community-call-core-savers-syncers-upload-plugin-discourse-forum/2102

Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:00 AM

Reference from 2014 connecting the ideas of Zettelkasten and TiddlyWiki

This is pretty slick and looks pretty in its published form. Great to see others are using clever set ups like this as posting interfaces.

I have a feeling that other TiddlyWiki users would love this sort of thing. While TW may not seem as au courant, it's still got some awesome equivalent functionality and great UI which is what most of the users in the note taking space really care about.

I do still wish that there was a micropub set up for Hypothes.is to make this sort of thing easier for the non-technical users.

esta es una nota para probar si funciona el Visit annotations in context con los html estaticos de tiddlywiki

yo estoy utilizando el plugin TWCrossLinks para gestionar backlinks

https://github.com/akhater/TWCrossLinks

I've been trying this sort of thing out with a TiddlyWiki for a while and have got a reasonable sort of workflow for doing it. The key is to reduce the overhead so that one can quickly take notes in a manner that interlinks them and makes it seem worthwhile to come back to them to review and potentially reorganize them. Doing this practice in public has a lot of value as well. I'll have to come back and look at some of how this was built at a later time.

I too would give my left arm to have a fully featured IndieWeb capable wiki. TiddlyWiki is pretty close to the sort of tool I'd love, but it's missing some of the IndieWeb capabilities and it may be difficult to build them into the system.

This sort of atomicity is exactly that of platforms like TiddlyWiki and Zettlekasten.

This is very similar to the idea in TiddlyWiki or Zettlekasten of writing down and storing the minimal amount of information on a card to capture an idea.

I don't use it frequently (enough perhaps), but TiddlyWiki has the ability to open multiple cards (tiddlers) in one view (using a permalink) as a means of giving disparate small pieces of thought a commonplace. Very few other note taking systems do this without relying on a taxonomy mechanism.

Anne-Laure defines a third "thing" known as a digital garden sitting in between a private note-taking/thinking tool and a blog. She calls it here a digital garden.

The idea is interesting, but requires some additional work to create the third thing, which is okay for those who'd want it.

In some sense, I'm more likely to create just a single thing that does all three functionalities and not worry too much about the public/private portions. I'm not opposed to maintaining all three, though it will require a tool that has the pre-built UI to make maintaining them all simple. Otherwise, I'm not sure the manual work would work for me.

Testing out annotations on Hypothes.is with a TiddlyWiki published book.

I can't help but think about Raymond Lull's combinatorial rings which he used as a thinking tool. Or Giordano Bruno's revision of Lull's tools as described in De Umbris Idearum. Given their knowledge of the art of memory stemming from rhetoric in combination with his combinatorial tool, he was essentially sitting on top of an early form of a memex.

I also can't help but think about Kicks Condor's Fraidyc.at reader tool that pulls in wiki content from TiddlyWikis and which have the potential to also make wikis publishing tools as well.

One of the things I love about the idea of using TiddlyWiki for OER. Drag, drop, done!

Of course it would be nice if the metadata fields of Tiddlers included links to the permalinks of the original as well as their Creative Commons license.

This also seems like a great underlying philosophy for open educational resources.

TiddlyMap = wikis + concept maps

Looks like a really useful plugin. Possibly some advantages over use of extraclusion as it keeps all the content in one place but allows no-linear use of the parts.