Note making does create space for reflection, is the thinking. But even before notes, annotation does too.

n:: notes as thinking vgl 'writing is thinking' annotation as thinking vs conversation, conversation as thinking through expression

I only feel such overload if I don't pause to reflect and merely keep taking stuff in. [[Information overload 20040327145709]] [[Info overload of overvloed verschil is surprisal 20220810090704]] Information value is not determined by the sender but by the receiver. If I don't pause the firehose just isn't information. It takes me as an observer to collapse noise into information in one's personal reality.

Paul Conkin 1929-2022 no wikipedia page, US historian suggested to graduate students to spend an hour reflecting for every hour read. Anecdotal quote from David Blight lecture (link to vid in post). There is a point here, wrt to keeping one's own pace and intent behind attention. [[Attention literacy and the value of slow learning 20211209063437]] [[Stuur aandacht met intentie 20220213080032]]

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reply to michaljjwilk at https://hypothes.is/a/rwiI4rJYEe62aaN50r2zzQ to ensure it's properly indexed:

Most following my argument will have likely read The Two Definitions of Zettelkasten which may cover some of your initial question, or at least from my perspective. (Others certainly have different views.)

Some of your questions relate to what Robert Hutchins calls "The Great Conversation" (1952) and efforts over time to create Summa or compilations of all knowledge.

Variations of your remark about Plato can be seen in later Greeks' aphorism that "Everywhere I go in my head, I meet Plato coming back." or more recently in A.N. Whitehead's statement that everything is "a footnote to Plato".

Terribly relatable :-)

Internal models/schemas of slipbox use take precedence over external models/schemas of slipbox use (indexing, addressing, etc.). Implicates Luhmann may have had tacit "handling" experiences with his slipbox unknown to us even today

General definition of Zettelkasten as a collection of notes that serves to extend/reflect one's thinking and/or memory, networked or not

Less about finding people, more about finding their work -- namely whether the Zettelkasten does or does not aid productivity. Many people have goals for their slipbox -- personal learning, theory-crafting, information organization, etc. -- but to what extent have they actually attained these goals?

[[Chris Aldrich]] is enthousiast over [[A System for Writing by Bob Doto]] bij publicatie want hij las een preprint versie.

Quick glance at Amazon shows Doto adds in illustrations of his processes, might be interesting.

https://boffosocko.com/2016/09/30/complexity-isnt-a-vice-10-word-answers-and-doubletalk-in-election-2016/

Discussed as part of "storytelling vs. logic" at FoTL

I should start collecting quotes about Luhmann's prodigiousness. I've read variously that he published 40 books, 50 books, 60 books, 70+ books, as well as 400, 600 articles. I'm just curious to know 1) what the real number is, and 2) why so many people are using different numbers.

There's something fishy about this.

I remember hearing similar comments made by writers who say, "How do I know what I think, until I've written?" And I frequently tell people that the reason I write, is to learn what I think, but also to teach myself new things.

https://boffosocko.com/2015/04/03/machiavelli-in-hollywood-gavin-polones-textbook-on-the-entertainment-industry/

Chris, this reminds me of Bill Cosby's three strategies for reading faster.

Trying too many things with a Zettelkasten makes it worse. Adopt simplicity.

The ZK is a simple system. It isn't't a Second Brain. Nor is it GTD. Nor all the other things that people sometimes use it for. I have held this opinion for a while, and it is reassuring that Chris holds the same opinion.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240125111157/https://boffosocko.com/2024/01/24/rev-dr-martin-luther-king-jr-s-zettelkasten/

Chris keeps surfacing nice examples of people using index card systems for pkm and learning. Here Martin Luther King jr.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240123154817/https://boffosocko.com/2024/01/18/note-taking-and-knowledge-management-resources-for-students/

Chris provides a nice overview of who's who around notetaking. There are some names in there that I may add to my feeds. Also go through the reading list, with an eye on practices that may fit with my way of working. Perhaps one or two names are relevant for #pkmsummit too.

The key question here is: what the Zettelkasten really is?

There is argument about something which is not provided: definition of ZK.

When it will be the definition, then it can be argued, but so there are only two one-sided heads talking to themselves about different things, but which have something in common, so they can talk endlessly.

And it has nothing to do with knowledge management, note-taking or learning, because it can be done in many ways, so then there is no need to discuss about it in terms of misunderstanding.

Misunderstanding and fallacies can be talked in terms of definitions or ideas, but it should be any will to compromise some limitations and not putting everything under umbrella-terms.

Will someone discuss that bloggers write texts like ancient philosophers so for example Plato was very first blogger? There are texts and written thoughts in both cases, aren't they!?

... because functional differentiation of notecards will occur regardless of your original / top-level categories so long as you append notecards to their most relevant neighbor

모바일에서 필요하다

Mortimer Adler's name is an anagram of "Mr. Read More Lit".

via Richard Carter at https://boffosocko.com/2023/11/14/55819838/#comment-422743

[[Lehrbuch der historischen Methode und der Geschichtsphilosophie by Ernst Bernheim]] 1889 https://archive.org/details/lehrbuchderhist03berngoog/mode/1up (1908)

See also https://philarchive.org/archive/ASSSOH-2 Arthur Alfaix Assis, Schemes of Historical Method in the Late 19th Century pp105-125 in Contributions to Theory and Comparative History of Histiography, German and Brazilian perspectives, by eds Luiz Estevam de Oilveira Fernandes, Luísa Rauter Pereira and Sérgio da Mata

Spannend, dass ich dieses Buch selber gerade lese. Ausgabe 2020. Dort befindet sich das besagte Zitat auf Seite 33.

Interesting method of finding example sentences in words.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230309061020/https://boffosocko.com/2023/03/07/rules-against-quotes-in-zettelkasten-a-closer-look-at-ahrens-on-quotes-and-collecting/

Chris Aldrich on Ahrens and on quoting and processing by one's own rephrasing as mutually reinforcing. As Ahrens is regularly interpreted as advicing no quoting. Vgl [[Zettelkasten Ahrens 20201025194845]]

This is fundamental. No research project has no quotes. Sometimes the words of the author is just better than anything that one could say.

The width of the drawers of both McDowell & Craig and Steelcase desks is just wide enough to accommodate two rows of 4 x 6" index cards side by side with enough space that one might insert a sizeable, but thin divider between them

I suspect that this is a specific design choice in a world in which card indexes often featured in the office environment of the mid-twenty first century.

Were other manufacturers so inclined to do this? Is there any evidence that this was by design? Did people use it for this? Was there a standard drawer width?

The metal inserts to section off the desk drawer area could have also been used for this sort of purpose and had cut outs to allow for expanding and contracting the interior space.

Keep in mind that some of these tanker desks were also manufactured with specific spaces or areas intended for typewriters or for storing them.

= highlight colours

For my money, a lot of the magic is in the smartnote categories; knowing what fleeting, literature and permanent notes are is the basis for recognising and almost automatically doing what you should be doing now.

This is similar to the gardening categories I use: cold compost (annual weeds), submerge (perennial weeds), stones, rubbish. You need a container on hand for each of these as they turn up at random. The benefit of this is that you eliminate the decision-making process which interferes with a gardening task and it's associated potential flow state. This is very much like the cognitive outsourcing aspect of GTD.

This is the acid test of whether the process is working.

Which are the "lowest level ideas"? I wonder if there are some critical mid-level ideas being overlooked which are preventing the output process, e.g. forming critical mass by categorising notes as fleeting, permanent, or distinct (pp41-42).

https://www.soenkeahrens.de/en/takesmartnotes

"He calls it 'stacking ammo'".

The index is the place for categorization. Now the questions is how deep is good enough to categorize.

This idea is quite interesting in the sense that categorization is limiting. Defining is limitation

I do wonder, but doubt that this is an American system (since Luhmann et al. were European). But this was pushed on us in 6th grade as well, and carried through college, though I was an early adopter of computing already...

Useful how-to for setting up Hypothes.is for mobile use on Android. Confirmed that this works on Brave mobile browser

Using "https:" also works (at least with the Brave mobile browser on Android)

James Murray: "'Only those who have made the experiment, know the bewilderment with which editor or sub-editor, after he has apportioned the quotations ... and furnished them with a provisional definition, spreads them out on a table or on the floor where he can obtain a general survey of the whole ... shifting them about like pieces on a chess-board, striving to find in the fragmentary evidence of an incomplete historical record, such a sequence of meanings as may form a logical chain of development' ('The President's Address for 1884', Transactions of the Philological Society, 1882-4, 510-11)."

Another example of marketing serving badly for the concepts being easily studied and used. Positioning and differentiation backfires here. Lack of sources linking is a huge issue in a popular non-fiction.

For ZKII this was true. I think this, the full working day, is often overlooked when people talk about L's ZK, that it was the core of his working practice, his job to do research for which this was his tool of choice. Whereas for many in the current hypelet it is a tool next to most of their activities.

For ZKI he had about the same average but it seems with less systematic reading approaches and a more generic purpose. Still working towards his academic career, from another career path.

This example comes directly from my notes: https://hypothes.is/a/Cz7e_lHKEe2Qv79IbEgmNw

This is an interesting observation. Also because Memex went on to inspire e.g. Doug Engelbart. Was Engelbart aware of the history when he demo'd outlining and notes? Was Nelson when he thought up stretchtext in 67?

https://www.academia.edu/35101285/Creating_a_Commonplace_Book_CPB_

yes, it's a drag.

This may well be true for Bush too. Why say commonplace and linked notes when you can claim Memex?

I did not realise Johnson made note cards (in DevonThink) but have read his 2004 book Emergence which he probably wrote that way. https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2004/05/the_emergence_o/ I do associate card based interlinked notes with emergence, Vgl [[Emergente structuur ontdekken is kennisontwikkeling 20200922082048]] 'spotting emergent structure is newly developed knowledge'

I played with this at the time in 2004 https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2004/10/tiddlywiki/

My zettelkasten section of notes is called The Garden of the forking paths, from a 1941 short story by Argentinian author Jorge Luis Borges titled El jardin de senderos que se bifurcan. In 1992 it was worked into Victory Garden, an early hypertext novel, published by Eastgate. Eastgate is Mark Bernstein's company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Garden_(novel)

Good to see Mark Bernstein mentioned here. He's definitely strongly aware of the history and legacy he is building on with his software. I met him and came to know Tinderbox in 2004. I have been using Tinderbox since early 2008 when I went independent and started using Mac.

I have the 2015 MIT Press version see Zotero

I have a 1969/70 edition

One of the most fascinating things in historical exhibitions or overviews of the work of an artist I find are surviving note(book)s. Across the centuries it is clear that so much of the work of making sense, of developing practices, striving for results, consists of making notes. Even if not for re-use as a way of being present.

This is akin to how I kept notes for most my life. With notable exceptions when I used The Brain and later a local wiki, which made interlinking easy. Before that, it was loose handwritten notes (since I was 10), often bundled in a5 blocks, but still one note per page, or loose txt files on a xt. After it was Evernote. Until early 2020 when I returned to loose notes digitally

Everything has a lineage, and the one for pkm is centuries deep.

there's tools and there's practices.

around 2018 AND later during ... Covid started early 2020, so something is missing here. Was Roam launched 2018? Obsidian is from early 2020 indeed.

Great to read this essay, after folllowing the annotations Chris made in h. that fed into his notes that led to this essay. Fun to recognise bits and pieces from his h. feed in recent months.

Not really an Editor's Note as much as a Writer's, but this is in some sense the money quote and indicates the value to Chris of his practice. It would be instructive, I think, to see the raw material and how this essay emerged from it, but drawing aside the curtain may also dispel a lot of the magic.

hidden?

This seems to me to be a crucial point. As names proliferate within any discourse, people in adjacent discourses can spend a lot more time discussing and defining the terms than getting on with useful work, a sure-fire attraction.

gild

I don't believe Chris means "tacit". I believe he intends the opposite, "explicit" here and below.

For me the first new connection happened at 35 notes, or within a week of starting my notes garden in July 2020. Documented in my blog https://hyp.is/R59hRFKvEe21Cj8MfKmtxQ/www.zylstra.org/blog/2020/07/planting-the-garden-of-forking-paths/ This is an order of magnitude difference (also mentioned by Matthias in the comments) from what you mention. This may well be, in both Matthias and my own case from having worked with these type of notes much longer (just not in this particular fashion), and me in this case recycling my own blogposts and earlier output back into atomic notes. I suppose that results in more 'refined' notes, less processing steps needed to make a new connection in my mind.

One of the copies available on archive.org, the one at Gutenberg, and the one with Chris' annotations

You can actually by it on Amazon: Lehrbuch der Historischen Methode: Mit Nachweis der Wichtigsten Quellen und Hülfsmittel zum Studium der Geschichte or find it on Google Books

Thanks for this additional piece of Data Matthias! I have a feeling that some of the benefit will also come down to the level of quality of the notes and how well interlinked they may be. Those doing massive dumps of raw, unelaborated, and unlinked data using services like Readwise into their collections will certainly take longer than those who have more refined ideas well linked. My number is presuming something closer to the former while something along the lines of a tenth of that (an order of magnitude) would seem to fall in line with my current working model. It would be nice to have a larger body of data to work with though.

syndication link

Risks of replicating physical attributes in digital systems

This article makes so much sense, but this sentence more than any other. As librarians will will know, a physical book can only be put in one place on a shelf...you can't realistically replicate a book and put it in groupings with all like-minded books. The call number was invented to bring organization to the physical space and the card catalog was invented to have a way for representations of the books—cards!—interfiled in many places to help with finding the book. Luhmann's card numbering sequence was the first thing I dropped when reading about Zettelkasten, and those that insist on that mechanism for their digital slip boxes are artificially constraining their electronic systems with a physical world limitation.

https://boffosocko.com/2022/07/03/55806862/

https://hypothes.is/users/chrisaldrich<br /> Joined: January 18, 2012<br /> First annotation: 2018-11-29

Annotations: 10,099 (public and private as of 2022-07-03)

Date of publication: 2022-07-03<br /> Duration: 3 years, 6 months, 5 days or 1312 days<br /> Average of: ~10099/1,312 = 7.69 annotations per day

compare: https://hypothes.is/a/26pRxBpQEe2VXK8kiyXtKQ

I suspect that earlier years were more sparse with higher number of fleeting notes. The past year or two output and quality increased dramatically with more valuable literature notes and more actual near-permanent or actual permanent notes.

Below are some sources to give you a start on orality. I've arranged them in a suggested watching/reading order with some introductory material before more technical sources which will give you jumping off points for further research.

• Modern Memory, Ancient Methods. TEDxMelbourne. Melbourne, Australia, 2018. https://www.ted.com/talks/lynne_kelly_modern_memory_ancient_methods.
• Kelly, Lynne. The Memory Code. Allen & Unwin, 2016.
• Kelly, Lynne. Knowledge and Power in Prehistoric Societies: Orality, Memory and the Transmission of Culture. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2015. https://doi.org/10.1017/CBO9781107444973.
• Ong, Walter J. Orality and Literacy: The Technologizing of the Word. Taylor & Francis, 2007.
• Parry, Milman, and Adam Parry. The Making of Homeric Verse: The Collected Papers of Milman Parry. Oxford University Press, 1971.
• Neale, Margo, and Lynne Kelly. Songlines: The Power and Promise. First Knowledges, 1.0. Thames & Hudson, 2020.

I've started using hypothesis annotation using TrailMarks notation to articulate ideas associated with what I am reading right on the margins

This is great because, we are also developing ways to integrate hypothesis annotations into our own home grown Tools for Thought. Beyond that we are aiming to ship an opeen, Commons based, Peer produced

People Centered InterPersonal Mutlitplayer Tool for thought Constellations for exchange and interchange and conversations on the margins, on what we call the IndyWeb.

https://indylab-2022.fission.app/hyp/?indyWeb

If you interested please reply to this annotation. and I can respond in email provided by hypothesis to send the invite.

I'm all in on this and more soon.

https://annotations.lindylearn.io/new/

interesting

The closest to all of this that I can think of is wikilinks everywhere.

holy shit

very interesting sentence

Ah-ha! I hadn't realized that you could generate an RSS feed supporting a wildcard. This is fantastic!

I don't know if this is specific to my particular setup, but I did find that this syntax only worked for me if I left out the https://www in the wildcard URL I was targeting.

Injecting some custom CSS? I went looking in the page shown in the screenshot and searching https://hypothes.is/users/chrisaldrich?q=standby

So there is a secret door here?

like so, giving a link to the recording

https://iannotate.org/2021/program/panel_font.html

• about : Future of Notetaking

• for : IndyNotes

Buzz words and marketing seem to drive much of the market, the froth on the surface that everyone sees and which is insubstantial but drives clicks and sales funnels

test note

This is interesting. Though I don't see it much on blogs, it's my impression that hypothes.is only continues to grow and is in active development. I wonder if this is really more about hypothes.is not being interested in some specific idea(s) or something?

You can also "reply" by annotating the standalone (/a/...) page for a given annotation.

It's also just annoying when trying to get at the original resource (or its URL for reference).

This is a note. With an linked video

This is a note.

Hmmm, this is an idea I need to explore—the waste book. To admit that many of my notes are just not worth going through would be freeing.

A page/book metaphor instead of a card metaphor.

Reusability.

Intrigued for a deeper dive it root cause.

Good advice.

It should be recognized that these basic note types are very different than the digital garden framing of 📤 (seedbox), 🌱 (seedling), 🪴 (sapling), 🌲 (evergreen), etc. which are another measure of the growth and expansion of not just one particular idea but potentially multiple ideas over time. These are a project management sort of tool for focusing on the growth of ideas. Within some tools, one might also use graph views and interconnectedness as means of charting this same sort of growth.

Sönke Ahrens' framing of fleeting note, literature note, and permanent note are a value assignation to the types of each of these notes with respect to generating new ideas and writing.

—Bruno Winck

Reminder to look up Roland Claude. I couldn't find his work in the usual spaces in English or French.

Marginalia

With Webmention support, one could architect a site to allow inline marginalia and highlighting similar to Medium.com’s relatively well-known functionality. With the clever use of URL fragments, which are well supported in major browsers, there are already examples of people who use Webmentions to display word-, sentence-, or paragraph-level marginalia on their sites. After all, aren’t inline annotations just a more targeted version of comments?

Thanks for these ideas.

As noted above, one idea could be a mode where everyone else is the same but my annotations are in a different color (of my choosing).

I think this is one of the coolest maybe "default" configurations for colors. In fact, it was this use case that has me wondering if colors can sometimes be a system config, but other times a user config. Maybe first let my chosen colors be preferred, but if there are multiple users, then let different users (at the top level annotation) be different colors, otherwise maybe its one color for me and a different color for everyone else, or... ?

Another good observation. If I use different colors in a public group, then perhaps those colors are never reflected to other users, but remain visible but private to me?

No, we'll definitely get to it. It is one of the absolute most requested things.

Exactly. This doesn't negate the importance of solving for the problem, but it does illustrate a key reason why it hasn't been done yet.

Thank you for recognizing this.

What is missing in this train of thought is search. The real challenge is recalling of information easily, whether that is traditional search or something more AI-ish that can uncover connections between items that I don't see myself. What I want is a tool that can search across all my repositories, and that requires either APIs for communication or standard data storage formats. I prefer APis.

English version can be found here: The intellectual life: its spirit, conditions, methods, Internet Archive

Thoughts:

• There are different kinds of content: "fast" and "slow". These are often mixed on social media platforms, but each have their own value and purpose.
• Which type of content a site houses is part result of what the UX incentives, part what the community expects. There's a wide range of possibilities to adjust these factors to get the content you want.

There are so many fast, in the moment comments on site like Twitter that I go elsewhere for thoughtful content. It's just too difficult to separate mixed content on the same site.

I'm wondering if there needs to be a platform which does everything.

[] install url forwarder

Array.from(document.querySelectorAll("li > span")).forEach(e => {if (e.innerText == "(1)" || e.innerText == "(2)") {e.parentNode.remove()}})

I wonder where outliners fit within this discussion? Are they a flavour or digital gardening? It has been interesting seeing some of Dave Winer's engagements with Roam Research

fediverse

• for : samizdat pdf

escaping paywalls

• meme : Learn to Live Outside the Walls https://hypothes.is/a/E4MuGvDtEeuY6_vUYxZNHg

mnemotechniques

Let's be honest that these are some of the lowest hanging fruit on the tree of this incredibly deep history.

Adler as an encyclopedist was assuredly more than aware of the commonplace tradition and likely knew or read any/many of the following:

• Rodolphus Agricola. De formando studio (written 1484, published 1508)
• Dediderius Erasmus. De ratione studii (1512) and De duplici copia verborum ac rerum (1512)
• Philp Melanchthon. De locis communibus ratio (1539)

These were instrumental in popularizing the idea of the commonplace book not only in the Renaissance, but firmly placed them in the foundations of education for the coming centuries.

Bullet Journals certainly are informed by the commonplace tradition, but are an incredibly specialized version of lists for productivity.

Perhaps there's more influence by Peter Ramus' outlining tradition here as well?

I've seen a student's written version of the idea of a Bullet Journal technique which came out of a study habits manual in the 1990's. It didn't quite have the simplicity of the modern BuJo idea or the annotations, but in substance it was the same idea. I'll have to dig up a reference for this.

It's definitely not a game of "dibs", but we're all fooling ourselves if we're not taking a look at the incredibly rich history of these ideas.

My post was more in reaction to the overly common suggestions and statements that Luhmann did invent it and the fact that he's almost always the only quoted user. The link was meant to give some additional context, not proof.

There are a number of direct predecessors including Hans Blumenberg and Georg Christoph Lichtenberg. For quick/easy reference here try:

• https://jhiblog.org/2019/04/17/ruminant-machines-a-twentieth-century-episode-in-the-material-history-of-ideas/
• https://muse.jhu.edu/article/715738

If you want some serious innovation, why not try famous biologist Carl Linnaeus for the invention of the index card? See: http://humanities.exeter.ac.uk/history/research/centres/medicalhistory/past/writing/

(Though even in this space, I suspect that others were already doing similar things.)

I'll definitely grant this and admit that there may be independent invention or re-discovery of ideas.

However, I'll also mention that it's far, far less likely that any of these people truly invented very much novel along the way, particularly since Western culture has been swimming in the proverbial waters of writing, rhetoric, and the commonplace book tradition for so long that we too often forget that we're actually swimming in water.

It's incredibly easy to reinvent the wheel when everything around you is made of circles, hubs, and axles.

I'm only halfway down the rabbit hole on some of these sources myself, a task made harder by my lack of facility with German. I am reasonably positive that the Gessner and Moser references are going to spring directly out of the commonplace book tradition, but include some of the innovation of having notes on slips of paper so that they're more easily re-arranged.

I'm also sitting on a huge trove of unpublished research which provides a lot more evidence and a trail of context which is missing from the short provocative statement I've made. I've added a few snippets to the Wikipedia page on Zettelkasten which outlines pieces for the curious.

I suspect soon enough I'll have a handful of journal articles and/or a book to cover some of the more modern history of notes and note taking that picks up where Earle Havens' Commonplace Books: A History of Manuscripts and Printed Books from Antiquity to the Twentieth Century (Yale, 2001) leaves off.

or as the SolarPunk puts it "The future is stolen from us"

Dumming people down while working to make machines think

https://hyp.is/3b-3vt_OEeuCH_ugfo6O8w/boffosocko.com/2021/07/03/differentiating-online-variations-of-the-commonplace-book-digital-gardens-wikis-zettlekasten-waste-books-florilegia-and-second-brains/

Worse still. Bush wrote As We May Think in 1939 We? Machines? Yet the Atlantic was quick to spin it with the subtitle "A TOP U.S, SCIENTIST FORESEES A POSSIBLE FUTURE WORLD IN WHICH MAN-MADE MACHINES WILL START TO THINK" We? Machines?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/gyuri-lajos/detail/recent-activity/

Thank you @ChrisAldrich for the overview of the fluoresence of not taking tools. The conversations about the Future of Note Taking, Tools for Thoughts, Personal Knowledge Graph and Knowledge Graph of all these conversations can start right there on the margins https://iannotate.org/2021/program/panel_font.html

https://twitter.com/i/lists/1407022653693587459

What does "communicate" mean here? I pull in pieces of other texts (similar to transclusion) or more like an API that my PLE interacts with and manipulates? What advantages do we each get from this that I don't have now?

I've experimented with some aspects of the IndieWeb, trying to incorporate it into my blog but I still find it too complicated. Maybe that's just me though.

Just the idea of managing the tags and icons of this process feels exhausting.

Such a great read.

Indeed. After having spent some time going through posts and videos produced by this crowd, I realised that none of them use their 'systems' for anything other than telling people about their systems; Forte's Second brain is a product.

I like the idea of your Tweets being 'captured' in a space that you control, but not of them becoming a fixed part of it. Maybe an archive of your short notes and bookmarks of things you've shared. Would also be interesting to analyse over time.

Describes the kind of physical notebooks I kept when I was younger; quotes, pictures, passages of text, etc. Anything that caught my attention.

I won't have all the references but what about the methods of putting holes in cards so they could be collated database-like with a rod? Or the edge notching approach https://hackaday.com/2019/06/18/before-computers-notched-card-databases/ I thought Doug Engelbart had done something similar too

Hi Chris! We met yesterday at the Show & Tell of IAnno21. I would like to leave some information here to stay in touch with you and others who are interested. You can find me at https://axel-duerkop.de/en/ where I wrote about the motivation for my tool Zocurelia.

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Chris, I like your point about companies opening up, it reminds me Cory Doctorow's discussion of interoperability as a means of fixing the internet.

Awesome. Thanks!

The key idea is to add to annotations ways of linking to related contexts and deep conversations. As Dan said have wiki-links everywhere and in everything as portals to each other's deep context of work

https://hyp.is/MKXJlg9aEeurAy8NWpahjQ/docdrop.org/video/XqxwwuUdsp4/

I do. With https://social.coop/@indiehub want to allow people to be able to take the annotations on any page into their own world ofextensible tinkereable inter personal indyverse of knowledge and link to additional born tinkerable capabilities.

time periods of annotations

The advantage of using Post Kins in Wordpress

I didn't know Hypothes.is works with PDFs too!

checkit out

helping conversation with text

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test in the wild

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Nice that you have this added by default ;-)

I also considered webmentions for transclusions, but more appropriately it's microformats that would allow proper, bi-directional transcluion of text.

I'm not convinced that this is better than just processing them directly from Hypothesis, which seems like a legitimate step in the process of tending notes in the zettelkasten process.

Readwise does this, I think. There's also a hack for Roam (https://github.com/houshuang/hypothesis-to-bullet)

Really? I just shifted from iPad to Macbook to annotate this. Maybe I'll try it on mobile...

This week I have a BUNCH of tagged pages in an ILL book (which I wasn't able to write in) that I need to get into my notes. Might try voice memos because I'm too cheap to keep the Drafts app -- although if my subscription hasn't expired I might use Drafts.

Notability? Otter.ai?

OMG! I had one of those! Just threw it away in my most recent pass through box of abandoned tech.

Agreed. But surprised. Isn't this what you were objecting to in the intro?

Readwise scoops these up really well too.

I've been using Hypothesis for that too, and I've even had my students annotate pdf journal articles and scanned monograph chapters after opening them in chrome. It seems to work pretty well. I'm also enjoying MarginNote 3 for that, and especially for the graphical mindmap. However, I'm only using free tools with my students.

I just saved this article to Instapaper and then highlighted and commented on this line in it. That will get saved up to Readwise and find its way into my notes workflow. I think this note I'm making here may also find its way into that workflow via Readwise. I'll let you know, Chris, if it does.

It's time-consuming, especially starting. But I'm hoping that as I get the workflow down it will become much more streamlined and convenient.

discovery-based follow

microformatted and federated social web

Four years after I first found Hypothes.is, I still haven't worked it into my workflow. Posts like this rekindle the early sparks of interest I felt, though. I'm inspired to try it out again and see if anything's changed...

IndieWeb principles

Sometimes it seems like Trump does this as a one man band.

This makes me wonder if she's cited Mark Granovetter or any of similar sociologists yet?

Apparently she did in footnote 32 in chapter 1. Ha!

There's some definite connection to this to network theory of those like Stuart Kaufmann. You don't need every node to be directly connected to create a robust network, particularly when there are other layers--here interpersonal connections, cellular, etc.

This mirrors the story of the rape that preceded the Rosa Parks protests in Alabama several years prior and helped set the stage for that being successful.

It's often frequent that bigger protests are staged to take place on dates/times that have historical meaning.

Neoligism

The IndieWebCamp.com site lists a small handful of people with Hypothes.is affiliations who had websites, but none of the seem to be active any longer. Perhaps we can track some of them down via twitter?

I've always been able to generally remember how far into a book and on what part of the page (left/right; top/middle/bottom) the thing was. This obviously is not a new phenomenon, though obviously the printing of texts in the modern age helps standardize this for students in comparison with this particular example which discusses different versions of the same text.

The repeated uses of knowing and keeping things in the heart in this text along with the overlap of memory makes me wonder where the initial phrase "to know by heart" originated. This 12th century text certainly is a reasonably old one, though certainly others may have likely existed before.

here's the phrase "learning by heart" translated more familiarly

I'm curious what the original Latin was?