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I have typically added via.hypothes.is to the URLs of articles manually so I can use Hypothes.is on my phone.
@chrisaldrich uses the Via proxy on mobile. Or did back in 2020. This will be deprecated by Feb 2026 however.
1930’s advertisement for the Memindex Jr.
The phrase "get things done" actually appears in this advertisement for the Memindex Jr. in 1930!
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those with a card index or zettelkasten-based reading and note making practice will realize that they’re probably automatically following the advice
Note making does create space for reflection, is the thinking. But even before notes, annotation does too.
n:: notes as thinking vgl 'writing is thinking' annotation as thinking vs conversation, conversation as thinking through expression
followed by a mention that no one does this with the implication that information overload and the pressures of time don’t allow this.
I only feel such overload if I don't pause to reflect and merely keep taking stuff in. [[Information overload 20040327145709]] [[Info overload of overvloed verschil is surprisal 20220810090704]] Information value is not determined by the sender but by the receiver. If I don't pause the firehose just isn't information. It takes me as an observer to collapse noise into information in one's personal reality.
Conkin admonished students that for every hour they spend reading, they should spend an hour in reflection.
Paul Conkin 1929-2022 no wikipedia page, US historian suggested to graduate students to spend an hour reflecting for every hour read. Anecdotal quote from David Blight lecture (link to vid in post). There is a point here, wrt to keeping one's own pace and intent behind attention. [[Attention literacy and the value of slow learning 20211209063437]] [[Stuur aandacht met intentie 20220213080032]]
No piece of information is superior to any other. Power lies in having them all on file and then finding the connections. There are always connections; you have only to want to find them.
The key questions at play here
reply to michaljjwilk at https://hypothes.is/a/rwiI4rJYEe62aaN50r2zzQ to ensure it's properly indexed:
Most following my argument will have likely read The Two Definitions of Zettelkasten which may cover some of your initial question, or at least from my perspective. (Others certainly have different views.)
Some of your questions relate to what Robert Hutchins calls "The Great Conversation" (1952) and efforts over time to create Summa or compilations of all knowledge.
Variations of your remark about Plato can be seen in later Greeks' aphorism that "Everywhere I go in my head, I meet Plato coming back." or more recently in A.N. Whitehead's statement that everything is "a footnote to Plato".
And everything that I learn, I learn for a particular task, and once it’s done, I immediately forget it
Terribly relatable :-)
Cohesion and coherence may not exist in his notes for us as distant viewers of them, but this doesn’t mean that they do not exist for him while using his box of notes.
Internal models/schemas of slipbox use take precedence over external models/schemas of slipbox use (indexing, addressing, etc.). Implicates Luhmann may have had tacit "handling" experiences with his slipbox unknown to us even today
They neither require internal “cohesion nor coherence” in their systems which are direct extensions of their minds where that cohesion and coherence are stored.
General definition of Zettelkasten as a collection of notes that serves to extend/reflect one's thinking and/or memory, networked or not
What’s the intention behind finding these people?
Less about finding people, more about finding their work -- namely whether the Zettelkasten does or does not aid productivity. Many people have goals for their slipbox -- personal learning, theory-crafting, information organization, etc. -- but to what extent have they actually attained these goals?
I read an early draft in April and know it’s excellent. If knowledge management, zettelkasten, or writing are of interest to you, this is one of the best books on these topics. If you’re just getting into these areas, it’s required reading and will advance your practice more quickly than any four other books you’ll find.
[[Chris Aldrich]] is enthousiast over [[A System for Writing by Bob Doto]] bij publicatie want hij las een preprint versie.
Quick glance at Amazon shows Doto adds in illustrations of his processes, might be interesting.
Discussed as part of "storytelling vs. logic" at FoTL
The 20th-century German sociologist Niklas Luhmann managed to publish 70 books.
I should start collecting quotes about Luhmann's prodigiousness. I've read variously that he published 40 books, 50 books, 60 books, 70+ books, as well as 400, 600 articles. I'm just curious to know 1) what the real number is, and 2) why so many people are using different numbers.
we too often forget that we’re actually swimming in water.
There's something fishy about this.
You cannot think without writing; at least not in a sophisticated, connectable way.
I remember hearing similar comments made by writers who say, "How do I know what I think, until I've written?" And I frequently tell people that the reason I write, is to learn what I think, but also to teach myself new things.
Generally I’ll pull up a short review or two to see what the topic broadly covers as well as to see how others are associating it to their own areas of work. I’ll usually do a quick inspectional flip through the table of contents and index to highlight any thing I think is particularly relevant to me.
Chris, this reminds me of Bill Cosby's three strategies for reading faster.
Different types of notes and use cases
Can they really do all of them at once? While some may come close and do well enough, the added complexity and overreach of all these functionalities may be diluting the base power of what the zettelkasten is capable.
Trying too many things with a Zettelkasten makes it worse. Adopt simplicity.
While it can be used as a productivity tool specifically for writing, some are adapting and using it (and tools built for it) for productivity use writ-large. This includes project management or GTD (Getting Things Done) functions. Some are using it as a wiki, digital garden, or personal knowledge management system for aggregating ideas and cross linking them over time. Others are using it as a journal or diary with scheduling and calendaring functions tacked on. Still others are using it to collect facts and force the system to do spaced repetition. These additional functionalities can be great and even incredibly useful, but they’re going far beyond the purpose-fit functionality of what a zettelkasten system was originally designed to do.
The ZK is a simple system. It isn't't a Second Brain. Nor is it GTD. Nor all the other things that people sometimes use it for. I have held this opinion for a while, and it is reassuring that Chris holds the same opinion.
Zettelkasten Overreach
Chris keeps surfacing nice examples of people using index card systems for pkm and learning. Here Martin Luther King jr.
Chris provides a nice overview of who's who around notetaking. There are some names in there that I may add to my feeds. Also go through the reading list, with an eye on practices that may fit with my way of working. Perhaps one or two names are relevant for #pkmsummit too.
The key questions at play here are where is the work of a keeping a zettelkasten done and how is represented?
The key question here is: what the Zettelkasten really is?
There is argument about something which is not provided: definition of ZK.
When it will be the definition, then it can be argued, but so there are only two one-sided heads talking to themselves about different things, but which have something in common, so they can talk endlessly.
And it has nothing to do with knowledge management, note-taking or learning, because it can be done in many ways, so then there is no need to discuss about it in terms of misunderstanding.
Misunderstanding and fallacies can be talked in terms of definitions or ideas, but it should be any will to compromise some limitations and not putting everything under umbrella-terms.
Will someone discuss that bloggers write texts like ancient philosophers so for example Plato was very first blogger? There are texts and written thoughts in both cases, aren't they!?
ACTIVELY WORK AGAINST YOUR NATURAL URGE TO USE YOUR ZETTELKASTEN NUMBERS AS TOPICAL HEADINGS! MIX IT UP INSTEAD.
... because functional differentiation of notecards will occur regardless of your original / top-level categories so long as you append notecards to their most relevant neighbor
A hack for using Hypothes.is to annotate on mobile
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Richard Carter says: November 16, 2023 at 5:38 am (Edit) Mortimer Adler read books more than once? I guess that made sense from someone whose name was an anagram of ‘Mr Read-More-Lit’!
Mortimer Adler's name is an anagram of "Mr. Read More Lit".
via Richard Carter at https://boffosocko.com/2023/11/14/55819838/#comment-422743
“historical method” laid out by Ernst Bernheim and later Seignobos/Langlois in the late 1800s.
[[Lehrbuch der historischen Methode und der Geschichtsphilosophie by Ernst Bernheim]] 1889 https://archive.org/details/lehrbuchderhist03berngoog/mode/1up (1908)
See also https://philarchive.org/archive/ASSSOH-2 Arthur Alfaix Assis, Schemes of Historical Method in the Late 19th Century pp105-125 in Contributions to Theory and Comparative History of Histiography, German and Brazilian perspectives, by eds Luiz Estevam de Oilveira Fernandes, Luísa Rauter Pereira and Sérgio da Mata
Simon Winchester describes the pigeonhole and slip system that professor James Murray used to create the Oxford English Dictionary. The editors essentially put out a call to readers to note down interesting every day words they found in their reading along with examples sentences and references. They then collected these words alphabetically into pigeonholes and from here were able to collectively compile their magisterial dictionary.
Interesting method of finding example sentences in words.
Chris Aldrich on Ahrens and on quoting and processing by one's own rephrasing as mutually reinforcing. As Ahrens is regularly interpreted as advicing no quoting. Vgl [[Zettelkasten Ahrens 20201025194845]]
A zettelkasten with no quotes—by definition—shouldn’t carry the name. So let’s lay to rest that dreadful idea that quotes aren’t allowed in a zettelkasten.
This is fundamental. No research project has no quotes. Sometimes the words of the author is just better than anything that one could say.
The width of the drawers of both McDowell & Craig and Steelcase desks is just wide enough to accommodate two rows of 4 x 6" index cards side by side with enough space that one might insert a sizeable, but thin divider between them
I suspect that this is a specific design choice in a world in which card indexes often featured in the office environment of the mid-twenty first century.
Were other manufacturers so inclined to do this? Is there any evidence that this was by design? Did people use it for this? Was there a standard drawer width?
The metal inserts to section off the desk drawer area could have also been used for this sort of purpose and had cut outs to allow for expanding and contracting the interior space.
Keep in mind that some of these tanker desks were also manufactured with specific spaces or areas intended for typewriters or for storing them.
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Smart Notes (Sönke Ahrens’ delineation of Luhmann’s method
For my money, a lot of the magic is in the smartnote categories; knowing what fleeting, literature and permanent notes are is the basis for recognising and almost automatically doing what you should be doing now.
This is similar to the gardening categories I use: cold compost (annual weeds), submerge (perennial weeds), stones, rubbish. You need a container on hand for each of these as they turn up at random. The benefit of this is that you eliminate the decision-making process which interferes with a gardening task and it's associated potential flow state. This is very much like the cognitive outsourcing aspect of GTD.
I think it would be massively helpful if users had stronger examples of what these explicit creation workflows looked like, particularly at the longer end of creation of chapters or even book length spaces.
This is the acid test of whether the process is working.
in posting online they still seem lost in attempting to put the lowest level ideas into active practice.
Which are the "lowest level ideas"? I wonder if there are some critical mid-level ideas being overlooked which are preventing the output process, e.g. forming critical mass by categorising notes as fleeting, permanent, or distinct (pp41-42).
Ahrens’ generally excellent book
I’ve seen Eminem demo his slip box to Anderson Cooper on 60 Minutes.
If you feel the need to categorize and separate them in such a surgical fashion, then let your index be the place where this happens.
The index is the place for categorization. Now the questions is how deep is good enough to categorize.
Perhaps the overlap of math and history is exactly the interdisciplinary topic you’re working toward? If this is the case, just put cards into the slip box closest to their nearest related intellectual neighbor—and by this I mean nearest related to your way of thinking, not to Melvil Dewey’s or anyone else.
This idea is quite interesting in the sense that categorization is limiting. Defining is limitation
My own anecdotal experience of research and note taking with index cards dates to 1985 when, in sixth grade, I was admonished to take my notes on index cards so that I could later string them together in outline form to create a narrative.
I do wonder, but doubt that this is an American system (since Luhmann et al. were European). But this was pushed on us in 6th grade as well, and carried through college, though I was an early adopter of computing already...
Now I can take an article from almost anywhere on my phone (reading services like Pocket, my feed readers, or even articles within the browser themselves), click share, choose “URL Forwarder” from the top of the list, select “Hypothesize” and the piece I want to annotate magically opens up with Hypothes.is ready to go in my default browser. Huzzah!
Useful how-to for setting up Hypothes.is for mobile use on Android. Confirmed that this works on Brave mobile browser
http:
Using "https:" also works (at least with the Brave mobile browser on Android)
slip box
James Murray: "'Only those who have made the experiment, know the bewilderment with which editor or sub-editor, after he has apportioned the quotations ... and furnished them with a provisional definition, spreads them out on a table or on the floor where he can obtain a general survey of the whole ... shifting them about like pieces on a chess-board, striving to find in the fragmentary evidence of an incomplete historical record, such a sequence of meanings as may form a logical chain of development' ('The President's Address for 1884', Transactions of the Philological Society, 1882-4, 510-11)." 
One can’t help but notice the proliferation of specific method names for slightly different practices within the now growing space. These specific names for practices literally give both a name and power to the space and help to make it grow. Some of these names include: Zettelkasten itself as a name for Luhmann’s method; Smart Notes (Sönke Ahrens’ delineation of Luhmann’s method, Linking Your Thinking (aka LYT, Nick Milo’s method); Building a Second Brain (BaSB, Tiago Forte’s method); ANTInet (Scott P. Scheper’s analog branded version of Luhmann’s method); and even Pile of Index Cards (PoIC, Hawk Sugano’s productivity-based method from 2006). The naming tends to expand here as many of these examples have a commercial need to differentiate these practices to make them sellable to a larger audience. Should one really consider it a coincidence that Obsidian is so heavily used by those in Tiago Forte’s Building a Second Brain camp when Obsidian’s tag line on their home page boldly declares “A second brain, for you, forever.”? This naming craze even extends to a proliferation of names for note types within each system including fleeting notes, permanent notes, literature notes, atomic notes, evergreen notes, source notes, point notes, concept notes, claim notes, etc. Of course the power of naming begins to wane here as the over-proliferation of names causes semantic collisions and worries when these systems and their adherents talk about related ideas online in broader overlapping publics. One would presume that over time this list of names will settle down and roughly standardize around a much smaller (dare I say atomic?), possibly mutually exclusive set.
Another example of marketing serving badly for the concepts being easily studied and used. Positioning and differentiation backfires here. Lack of sources linking is a huge issue in a popular non-fiction.
Using Niklas Luhmann’s rough average of six zettels per day working full time for 8 hours a day
For ZKII this was true. I think this, the full working day, is often overlooked when people talk about L's ZK, that it was the core of his working practice, his job to do research for which this was his tool of choice. Whereas for many in the current hypelet it is a tool next to most of their activities.
For ZKI he had about the same average but it seems with less systematic reading approaches and a more generic purpose. Still working towards his academic career, from another career path.
As an example, in The Crown season 1 episode 4 “Act of God” (Netflix, 2016) there is a scene portraying former British Prime Minister Clement Atlee in his office in which he is prominently bookended in the background by two four drawer card indexes: one 3 x 5″ and the other 4 x 6″.
This example comes directly from my notes: https://hypothes.is/a/Cz7e_lHKEe2Qv79IbEgmNw
It bears mention that Vannevar’s influential essay “As We May Think” in the July 1945 issue of The Atlantic is entirely underpinned by the commonplace book and zettelkasten traditions pervading Western thought and culture. Rather than acknowledge this tradition tacitly, he creates the neologism “Memex” which stands in for a networked and connected zettelkasten
This is an interesting observation. Also because Memex went on to inspire e.g. Doug Engelbart. Was Engelbart aware of the history when he demo'd outlining and notes? Was Nelson when he thought up stretchtext in 67?
Additionally Colleen Kennedy has an excellent 12 page primer she developed for classroom use on how to actively implement and create one’s own commonplace book which takes into account some of the historical practices seen in the literature.
https://www.academia.edu/35101285/Creating_a_Commonplace_Book_CPB_
One can’t help but notice the proliferation of specific method names for slightly different practices within the now growing space
yes, it's a drag.
branded method
This may well be true for Bush too. Why say commonplace and linked notes when you can claim Memex?
author Steven B. Johnson who wrote frequently about his experiences with note taking, commonplaces, and DevonThink in the early 2000s in The New York Times as well as his blog. 5
I did not realise Johnson made note cards (in DevonThink) but have read his 2004 book Emergence which he probably wrote that way. https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2004/05/the_emergence_o/ I do associate card based interlinked notes with emergence, Vgl [[Emergente structuur ontdekken is kennisontwikkeling 20200922082048]] 'spotting emergent structure is newly developed knowledge'
TiddlyWiki, first released on September 20, 2004, is a card-based user interface software built by Jeremy Ruston
I played with this at the time in 2004 https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2004/10/tiddlywiki/
Hypertext Gardens: Delightful Vistas (1998)
My zettelkasten section of notes is called The Garden of the forking paths, from a 1941 short story by Argentinian author Jorge Luis Borges titled El jardin de senderos que se bifurcan. In 1992 it was worked into Victory Garden, an early hypertext novel, published by Eastgate. Eastgate is Mark Bernstein's company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Garden_(novel)
writer, scientist, and engineer Mark Bernstein who created Tinderbox in 2002 as a note taking tool, outliner, and publishing software
Good to see Mark Bernstein mentioned here. He's definitely strongly aware of the history and legacy he is building on with his software. I met him and came to know Tinderbox in 2004. I have been using Tinderbox since early 2008 when I went independent and started using Mac.
Eco, Umberto. How to Write a Thesis.
I have the 2015 MIT Press version see Zotero
Heyde, Johannes Erich. Technik des wissenschaftlichen Arbeitens: zeitgemässe Mittel und Verfahrungsweisen. Junker und Dünnhaupt, 1931.
I have a 1969/70 edition
the commonplace tradition
One of the most fascinating things in historical exhibitions or overviews of the work of an artist I find are surviving note(book)s. Across the centuries it is clear that so much of the work of making sense, of developing practices, striving for results, consists of making notes. Even if not for re-use as a way of being present.
commonplace book kept using index cards
This is akin to how I kept notes for most my life. With notable exceptions when I used The Brain and later a local wiki, which made interlinking easy. Before that, it was loose handwritten notes (since I was 10), often bundled in a5 blocks, but still one note per page, or loose txt files on a xt. After it was Evernote. Until early 2020 when I returned to loose notes digitally
compounded by the lack of appropriate history and context,
Everything has a lineage, and the one for pkm is centuries deep.
There’s a specific set of objects (cards and boxes or their digital equivalents), but there’s also a spectrum of methods or practices which can be split into two broad categories.
there's tools and there's practices.
around 2018 during the COVID-19 pandemic
around 2018 AND later during ... Covid started early 2020, so something is missing here. Was Roam launched 2018? Obsidian is from early 2020 indeed.
The Two Definitions of Zettelkasten
Great to read this essay, after folllowing the annotations Chris made in h. that fed into his notes that led to this essay. Fun to recognise bits and pieces from his h. feed in recent months.
Editor’s note: I wrote this essay of approximately 7,000 words in about half a day’s work, including outlining, footnoting, and editing by drawing material directly from my own hybrid commonplace books/Luhmann-based Zettelkasten.
Not really an Editor's Note as much as a Writer's, but this is in some sense the money quote and indicates the value to Chris of his practice. It would be instructive, I think, to see the raw material and how this essay emerged from it, but drawing aside the curtain may also dispel a lot of the magic.
hiding
hidden?
the power of naming begins to wane here as the over-proliferation of names causes semantic collisions and worries when these systems and their adherents talk about related ideas online in broader overlapping publics
This seems to me to be a crucial point. As names proliferate within any discourse, people in adjacent discourses can spend a lot more time discussing and defining the terms than getting on with useful work, a sure-fire attraction.
guild
gild
tacitly
I don't believe Chris means "tacit". I believe he intends the opposite, "explicit" here and below.
Do it until you have between 500 and 1000 cards (based on some surveys and anecdotal evidence), and you should begin seeing some serendipitous and intriguing results as you use your system for your writing.
For me the first new connection happened at 35 notes, or within a week of starting my notes garden in July 2020. Documented in my blog https://hyp.is/R59hRFKvEe21Cj8MfKmtxQ/www.zylstra.org/blog/2020/07/planting-the-garden-of-forking-paths/ This is an order of magnitude difference (also mentioned by Matthias in the comments) from what you mention. This may well be, in both Matthias and my own case from having worked with these type of notes much longer (just not in this particular fashion), and me in this case recycling my own blogposts and earlier output back into atomic notes. I suppose that results in more 'refined' notes, less processing steps needed to make a new connection in my mind.
Introduction to the Study of History
One of the copies available on archive.org, the one at Gutenberg, and the one with Chris' annotations
Lehrbuch der historischen Methode mit Nachweis der wichtigsten Quellen und Hülfsmittelzum Studium der Geschichte
You can actually by it on Amazon: Lehrbuch der Historischen Methode: Mit Nachweis der Wichtigsten Quellen und Hülfsmittel zum Studium der Geschichte or find it on Google Books
“500 and 1000 cards” is a long way before perceiving some benefit. Maybe this is necessary because “mine is more textual and less visual than his [Michalsky’s]”. For me, benefit is visible after approx. 40 new notes, dropped on the canvas of my tool, rearranged and connected.
Thanks for this additional piece of Data Matthias! I have a feeling that some of the benefit will also come down to the level of quality of the notes and how well interlinked they may be. Those doing massive dumps of raw, unelaborated, and unlinked data using services like Readwise into their collections will certainly take longer than those who have more refined ideas well linked. My number is presuming something closer to the former while something along the lines of a tenth of that (an order of magnitude) would seem to fall in line with my current working model. It would be nice to have a larger body of data to work with though.
If this fits your style and you don’t get any value out of having cards with locators like 3a4b/65m1, then don’t do that (for you) useless make-work. Make sure your system is working for you and you’re not working for your system.
This article makes so much sense, but this sentence more than any other. As librarians will will know, a physical book can only be put in one place on a shelf...you can't realistically replicate a book and put it in groupings with all like-minded books. The call number was invented to bring organization to the physical space and the card catalog was invented to have a way for representations of the books—cards!—interfiled in many places to help with finding the book. Luhmann's card numbering sequence was the first thing I dropped when reading about Zettelkasten, and those that insist on that mechanism for their digital slip boxes are artificially constraining their electronic systems with a physical world limitation.
https://boffosocko.com/2022/07/03/55806862/
https://hypothes.is/users/chrisaldrich<br /> Joined: January 18, 2012<br /> First annotation: 2018-11-29
Annotations: 10,099 (public and private as of 2022-07-03)
Date of publication: 2022-07-03<br /> Duration: 3 years, 6 months, 5 days or 1312 days<br /> Average of: ~10099/1,312 = 7.69 annotations per day
compare: https://hypothes.is/a/26pRxBpQEe2VXK8kiyXtKQ
I suspect that earlier years were more sparse with higher number of fleeting notes. The past year or two output and quality increased dramatically with more valuable literature notes and more actual near-permanent or actual permanent notes.
I’d be interested in hearing more about the ways oral cultures did their thinking, if you have resources on that handy. Otherwise if you recall your source for that could you pass it on?
Below are some sources to give you a start on orality. I've arranged them in a suggested watching/reading order with some introductory material before more technical sources which will give you jumping off points for further research.
Hypothes.is, a web annotation tool, as an off-label zettelkasten?!
I've started using hypothesis annotation using TrailMarks notation to articulate ideas associated with what I am reading right on the margins
This is great because, we are also developing ways to integrate hypothesis annotations into our own home grown Tools for Thought. Beyond that we are aiming to ship an opeen, Commons based, Peer produced
People Centered InterPersonal Mutlitplayer Tool for thought Constellations for exchange and interchange and conversations on the margins, on what we call the IndyWeb.
https://indylab-2022.fission.app/hyp/?indyWeb
If you interested please reply to this annotation. and I can respond in email provided by hypothesis to send the invite.
Who’s up for a public, social zettelkasten practice?
I'm all in on this and more soon.
https://annotations.lindylearn.io/new/
Hypothes.idian for Obsidian to do just this.)
interesting
One could go further still and highlight a word or words on one’s browser screen and use these as a custom search query.
The closest to all of this that I can think of is wikilinks everywhere.
The language of the amendment, Anderson says, was crafted to ensure that slave owners could quickly crush any rebellion or resistance from those whom they’d enslaved.
holy shit
racial distinctions in Americans’ treatment of gun ownership
very interesting sentence
https://hypothes.is/stream.rss?wildcard_uri=https://www.example.org/*
Ah-ha! I hadn't realized that you could generate an RSS feed supporting a wildcard. This is fantastic!
I don't know if this is specific to my particular setup, but I did find that this syntax only worked for me if I left out the https://www in the wildcard URL I was targeting.
There’s definitely a way
Injecting some custom CSS? I went looking in the page shown in the screenshot and searching https://hypothes.is/users/chrisaldrich?q=standby
So there is a secret door here?
As was highlighted (pun intended)
like so, giving a link to the recording
https://iannotate.org/2021/program/panel_font.html
about : Future of Notetaking
for : IndyNotes
One thing I have noticed, however, is a dramatic lack of continuity in the history of note taking within the longue durée of Western civilization. (Other cultures including oral cultures have similar traditions, but for our purposes here, I won’t go into them except to say that they’re highly valuable, spectacularly rich, and something of which we should all be aware.)
Buzz words and marketing seem to drive much of the market, the froth on the surface that everyone sees and which is insubstantial but drives clicks and sales funnels
You might have gone down the rabbit hole on note taking practice nerdery
test note
@chrisaldrich@mastodon.social @chrisaldrich@boffosocko.com @alcinnz your blog is the first place I’ve seen since 2015 that is using hypothes.is I was super passionate about it but when I saw the lack of interest in development by their devs and after few messages with them, I finally let go of my account in 2019. Good to see someone is using it anyways 👍🏼
This is interesting. Though I don't see it much on blogs, it's my impression that hypothes.is only continues to grow and is in active development. I wonder if this is really more about hypothes.is not being interested in some specific idea(s) or something?
I’ll also note that there’s the potential of a reply on Hypothes.is to a prior reply to a canonical URL source. In that case it could be either marked up as a reply to the “parent” on Hypothesis and/or a reply to the canonical source URL, or even both so that webmentions could be sent further upstream.
You can also "reply" by annotating the standalone (/a/...) page for a given annotation.
Webmention functioning properly will require this canonical URL to exist on the page to be able to send notifications and have them be received properly
It's also just annoying when trying to get at the original resource (or its URL for reference).
all the data on this particular page seems to be rendered using JavaScript rather than being raw HTML
I suspect that a reasonable WordPress user could probably set up a free Hypothes.is account and use the RSS feed from it (something like https://hypothes.is/stream.atom?user=username) to create an IFTTT.com recipe to post it as a public/draft to their WordPress website.
This is a note. With an linked video
I created a video overview/walkthrough of how I take highlights and annotations on Hypothes.isHypothes.is and feed them through to my WordPress Website using RSS and IFTTT.com.
What follows may tend toward the jargon-y end of programming, but I’ll endeavor to explain it all and go step-by-step to allow those with little or no programming experience to follow along and use the tools I’m describing in a very powerful way. I’ll do my best to link the jargon to definitions and examples for those who haven’t run across them before. Hopefully with a bit of explanation, the ability to cut and paste some code, or even make some basic modifications, you’ll be able to do what I and others have done, but without having to puzzle it all out from scratch.
This is a note.
It also bears noting that one could view the first stage of Cornell notes in light of the practice of keeping a waste book and then later transferring their more permanent and better formed ideas into their commonplace book.
Hmmm, this is an idea I need to explore—the waste book. To admit that many of my notes are just not worth going through would be freeing.
Americanism: Using money you haven’t earned to buy things you don’t need to impress people you don’t like. —Robert Quillen
“If I Had More Time, I Would Have Written a Shorter Letter”.
The ease of use of the UI on Twitter seems to broadly make it a platform for “fast” posting which can too often cause ruffled feathers, sour feelings, anger, and poor communication.
Perhaps it would help more people’s contextual thinking if more sites specifically labeled their posts as fast and slow (or gave a 1-10 rating)?
Wikis allowed multiple users to author and edit pages on the web with a basic web browser.
A page/book metaphor instead of a card metaphor.
Slips of paper which were moveable within books or files and later on index cards were a significant innovation in terms of storing and organizing a commonplace book.
Reusability.
collector’s fallacy
Intrigued for a deeper dive it root cause.
focus on finely honing a small handful of questions and ideas each day from your reading
Good advice.
It should be recognized that these basic note types are very different than the digital garden framing of 📤 (seedbox), 🌱 (seedling), 🪴 (sapling), 🌲 (evergreen), etc. which are another measure of the growth and expansion of not just one particular idea but potentially multiple ideas over time. These are a project management sort of tool for focusing on the growth of ideas. Within some tools, one might also use graph views and interconnectedness as means of charting this same sort of growth.
Sönke Ahrens' framing of fleeting note, literature note, and permanent note are a value assignation to the types of each of these notes with respect to generating new ideas and writing.
Introductory Articles
Hi Chris, I checked Chavigny’s book on the BNF site. He insists on the use of index cards (‘fiches’), how to index them, one idea per card but not how to connect between the cards and allow navigation between them. Mind that it’s written in 1919, in Strasbourg (my hometown) just one year after it returned to France. So between students who used this book and Luhman in Freiburg it’s not far away. My mother taught me how to use cards for my studies back in 1977, I still have the book where she learn the method, as Law student in Strasbourg “Comment se documenter”, by Roland Claude, 1961. Page 25 describes a way to build secondary index to receive all cards relatives to a topic by their number. Still Luhman system seems easier to maintain but very near. I’m not a fan of ZK myself. It was great before computers and Internet but it’s a lot of work and adds a lot of friction.
Reminder to look up Roland Claude. I couldn't find his work in the usual spaces in English or French.
With Webmention support, one could architect a site to allow inline marginalia and highlighting similar to Medium.com’s relatively well-known functionality. With the clever use of URL fragments, which are well supported in major browsers, there are already examples of people who use Webmentions to display word-, sentence-, or paragraph-level marginalia on their sites. After all, aren’t inline annotations just a more targeted version of comments?
<figure>
<figcaption>An inline annotation on the text “Hey Ev, what about mentions?” in which Medium began to roll out their @mention functionality.</figcaption>
</figure>
Below are a few potential creative “hacks” that some might try.
Thanks for these ideas.
I already find it difficult to annotate heavily annotated pages that all use the same color, much less a rainbow of others’ colors
As noted above, one idea could be a mode where everyone else is the same but my annotations are in a different color (of my choosing).
colors may be slightly better indicators of different users’ annotations of a particular text as a means of differentiating one annotator from another more subtly, particularly on texts that are extensively marked up.
I think this is one of the coolest maybe "default" configurations for colors. In fact, it was this use case that has me wondering if colors can sometimes be a system config, but other times a user config. Maybe first let my chosen colors be preferred, but if there are multiple users, then let different users (at the top level annotation) be different colors, otherwise maybe its one color for me and a different color for everyone else, or... ?
What if your color meanings aren’t the same as those of another?, for example
Another good observation. If I use different colors in a public group, then perhaps those colors are never reflected to other users, but remain visible but private to me?
if ever.
No, we'll definitely get to it. It is one of the absolute most requested things.
While colors can be useful for individuals, do they have the same place in a social annotation product?
Exactly. This doesn't negate the importance of solving for the problem, but it does illustrate a key reason why it hasn't been done yet.
While colored highlights is a seemingly “simple” sounding feature in the analog world where a single document is only annotated by one user, mapping it into a digital shared context is a difficult engineering problem to navigate and solve for
Thank you for recognizing this.
A fluorescence of note taking tools
What is missing in this train of thought is search. The real challenge is recalling of information easily, whether that is traditional search or something more AI-ish that can uncover connections between items that I don't see myself. What I want is a tool that can search across all my repositories, and that requires either APIs for communication or standard data storage formats. I prefer APis.
Antonin Sertillanges’ book The Intellectual Life
English version can be found here: The intellectual life: its spirit, conditions, methods, Internet Archive
Thoughts:
Perhaps it would help more people’s contextual thinking if more sites specifically labeled their posts as fast and slow (or gave a 1-10 rating)?
There are so many fast, in the moment comments on site like Twitter that I go elsewhere for thoughtful content. It's just too difficult to separate mixed content on the same site.
I'm wondering if there needs to be a platform which does everything.
I broke out the URL Forwarder app which uses the ubiquitous share functionality of most phone platforms and adds a thin layer of program-ability.
[] install url forwarder
Array.from(document.querySelectorAll("li > span")).forEach(e => {if (e.innerText == "(1)" || e.innerText == "(2)") {e.parentNode.remove()}})
Digital garden design can often use the gardening metaphor to focus attention on an active tending and care of one’s personal knowledge base and building toward new knowledge or creations.
I wonder where outliners fit within this discussion? Are they a flavour or digital gardening? It has been interesting seeing some of Dave Winer's engagements with Roam Research
I’m using some experimental technology to make my website appear as an instance in the Fediverse
fediverse
Social Media, Fast and Slow
For those who don’t have a subscription, Alan has kindly and pleasantly provided a samizdat version on his site in .pdf format.
escaping paywalls
The Art of Memory
I’ve been researching into the history of mnemotechniques in Western culture.
mnemotechniques
If you’re generalizing Zettelkasten to “All Non-Linear Knowledge Management Strategies” You should include Mortimer Adler and the Syntopicon, and John Locke’s guide to how to set up a commonplace book
Let's be honest that these are some of the lowest hanging fruit on the tree of this incredibly deep history.
Adler as an encyclopedist was assuredly more than aware of the commonplace tradition and likely knew or read any/many of the following:
These were instrumental in popularizing the idea of the commonplace book not only in the Renaissance, but firmly placed them in the foundations of education for the coming centuries.
and bullet journal for more modern take on commonplace books
Bullet Journals certainly are informed by the commonplace tradition, but are an incredibly specialized version of lists for productivity.
Perhaps there's more influence by Peter Ramus' outlining tradition here as well?
I've seen a student's written version of the idea of a Bullet Journal technique which came out of a study habits manual in the 1990's. It didn't quite have the simplicity of the modern BuJo idea or the annotations, but in substance it was the same idea. I'll have to dig up a reference for this.
This isn’t a game of calling “dibs”
It's definitely not a game of "dibs", but we're all fooling ourselves if we're not taking a look at the incredibly rich history of these ideas.
Your post says nothing at all to suggest Luhman didn’t “invent” “Zettelkasten” (no one says he was only one writing on scraps of paper), you list two names and no links
My post was more in reaction to the overly common suggestions and statements that Luhmann did invent it and the fact that he's almost always the only quoted user. The link was meant to give some additional context, not proof.
There are a number of direct predecessors including Hans Blumenberg and Georg Christoph Lichtenberg. For quick/easy reference here try:
If you want some serious innovation, why not try famous biologist Carl Linnaeus for the invention of the index card? See: http://humanities.exeter.ac.uk/history/research/centres/medicalhistory/past/writing/
(Though even in this space, I suspect that others were already doing similar things.)
Not all the ancients are ancestors.
I'll definitely grant this and admit that there may be independent invention or re-discovery of ideas.
However, I'll also mention that it's far, far less likely that any of these people truly invented very much novel along the way, particularly since Western culture has been swimming in the proverbial waters of writing, rhetoric, and the commonplace book tradition for so long that we too often forget that we're actually swimming in water.
It's incredibly easy to reinvent the wheel when everything around you is made of circles, hubs, and axles.
Would love links to any descriptions of the systems used by Conrad Gessner (1516-1565) or Johann Jacob Moser (1701–1785)
I'm only halfway down the rabbit hole on some of these sources myself, a task made harder by my lack of facility with German. I am reasonably positive that the Gessner and Moser references are going to spring directly out of the commonplace book tradition, but include some of the innovation of having notes on slips of paper so that they're more easily re-arranged.
I'm also sitting on a huge trove of unpublished research which provides a lot more evidence and a trail of context which is missing from the short provocative statement I've made. I've added a few snippets to the Wikipedia page on Zettelkasten which outlines pieces for the curious.
I suspect soon enough I'll have a handful of journal articles and/or a book to cover some of the more modern history of notes and note taking that picks up where Earle Havens' Commonplace Books: A History of Manuscripts and Printed Books from Antiquity to the Twentieth Century (Yale, 2001) leaves off.
I can only presume that modern education is failing us all dramatically. People are “taught” (maybe told is the better verb) to take notes in school, but they’re never told why, what to do with them, or how to leverage them for maximum efficiency.
or as the SolarPunk puts it "The future is stolen from us"
Dumming people down while working to make machines think
The Atlantic, 1945
Worse still. Bush wrote As We May Think in 1939 We? Machines? Yet the Atlantic was quick to spin it with the subtitle "A TOP U.S, SCIENTIST FORESEES A POSSIBLE FUTURE WORLD IN WHICH MAN-MADE MACHINES WILL START TO THINK" We? Machines?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/gyuri-lajos/detail/recent-activity/
A fluorescence of note taking tools
Thank you @ChrisAldrich for the overview of the fluoresence of not taking tools. The conversations about the Future of Note Taking, Tools for Thoughts, Personal Knowledge Graph and Knowledge Graph of all these conversations can start right there on the margins https://iannotate.org/2021/program/panel_font.html
Ultimately, my dream—similar to that of Bush’s—is for individual commonplace books to be able to communicate not only with their users in the Luhmann-esqe sense, but also communicate with each other.
What does "communicate" mean here? I pull in pieces of other texts (similar to transclusion) or more like an API that my PLE interacts with and manipulates? What advantages do we each get from this that I don't have now?
IndieWeb friendly building blocks like Webmention, feeds (RSS, JSON Feed, h-feed), Micropub, and Microsub integrations may come the closest to this ideal.
I've experimented with some aspects of the IndieWeb, trying to incorporate it into my blog but I still find it too complicated. Maybe that's just me though.
The idea of planting a knowledge “seed” (a note), tending it gradually over time with regular watering and feeding in a progression of Seedlings → Budding → Evergreen is a common feature.
Just the idea of managing the tags and icons of this process feels exhausting.
Mike Caulfield’s essays including The Garden and the Stream: A Technopastoral
Such a great read.
Second brain is a marketing term
Indeed. After having spent some time going through posts and videos produced by this crowd, I realised that none of them use their 'systems' for anything other than telling people about their systems; Forte's Second brain is a product.
one might consider some of the ephemeral social media stream platforms like Twitter to be a digital version of a waste book
I like the idea of your Tweets being 'captured' in a space that you control, but not of them becoming a fixed part of it. Maybe an archive of your short notes and bookmarks of things you've shared. Would also be interesting to analyse over time.
They have generally been physical books written by hand that contain notes which are categorized by headings (or in a modern context categories or tags. Often they’re created with an index to help their creators find and organize their notes.
Describes the kind of physical notebooks I kept when I was younger; quotes, pictures, passages of text, etc. Anything that caught my attention.
dates and other taxonomies or serialized numbers as a means of linking them to other cards
I won't have all the references but what about the methods of putting holes in cards so they could be collated database-like with a rod? Or the edge notching approach https://hackaday.com/2019/06/18/before-computers-notched-card-databases/ I thought Doug Engelbart had done something similar too
Metacrap: Putting the torch to seven straw-men of the meta-utopia by <img class="u-photo" src="https://i0.wp.com/farm9.staticflickr.com/8366/8537324028_666427ea9f_o.jpg" alt="Cory Doctorow" width= 32 height= 32 />Cory Doctorow (well.com)
Planning for Gardens and Streams II: An IndieWebCamp pop-up session on Wikis, Digital Gardens, online Commonplace Books, and note taking
Who else at #IAnno21 has a practice of public annotation using Hypothes.is? Or perhaps on your own website, or other platform? Please share your usernames, URLs, and feeds so we can all have a richer group of examples.
Hi Chris! We met yesterday at the Show & Tell of IAnno21. I would like to leave some information here to stay in touch with you and others who are interested. You can find me at https://axel-duerkop.de/en/ where I wrote about the motivation for my tool Zocurelia.
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Perhaps if everyone reads and writes from their own home on the web, they’re less likely to desecrate their neighbor’s blog because it sticks to their own identity? There’s lots of work to be done certainly, but perhaps we’ll get there by expanding things, opening them up, and giving ourselves some more space to communicate?
Chris, I like your point about companies opening up, it reminds me Cory Doctorow's discussion of interoperability as a means of fixing the internet.
I’ve come across some scholarship of commonplace books that attempt to contextualize notes
The key idea is to add to annotations ways of linking to related contexts and deep conversations. As Dan said have wiki-links everywhere and in everything as portals to each other's deep context of work
https://hyp.is/MKXJlg9aEeurAy8NWpahjQ/docdrop.org/video/XqxwwuUdsp4/
Is anyone studying these contextual aspects of digital annotation?
I do. With https://social.coop/@indiehub want to allow people to be able to take the annotations on any page into their own world ofextensible tinkereable inter personal indyverse of knowledge and link to additional born tinkerable capabilities.
A reflection on annotations and context at OLC Innovate & Liquid Margins
Hypothes.is UI had some better means of indicating time periods of annotation.
time periods of annotations
The Post Kinds plugin, essentially an extended version of WordPress’s core Post Formats functionality, allows one to make a variety of types of posts on one’s website that mirrors the functionality provided in a huge variety of social media platforms. This is useful if you’re owning all of your own data and syndicating it out to social silos, but it’s also great for providing others better user interface for reading and consuming what you’re posting.
The advantage of using Post Kins in Wordpress
It works exceptionally well for both web pages and when reading .pdf texts within a browser window.
I didn't know Hypothes.is works with PDFs too!
Web Annotation as Conversation and Interruption.
checkit out
How can I also connect this to the Jeremy Dean‘s idea of it helping to facilitate a conversation with texts.
helping conversation with text
ThreadReaderApp now has beta support for the Micropub Spec so you can publish Twitter threads directly to your blog
Examples of this in the wild
test in the wild
There are definitely ways around this
test
Genius or Hypothes.is.
Nice that you have this added by default ;-)
The Webmention spec allows for resending notifications and thus subsequent re-parsing and updating of content. This could be a signal sent to any links to the content that it had been updated and allow any translcuded pages to update if they wished.
I also considered webmentions for transclusions, but more appropriately it's microformats that would allow proper, bi-directional transcluion of text.
I can easily process them all at a later date/time if necessary.
I'm not convinced that this is better than just processing them directly from Hypothesis, which seems like a legitimate step in the process of tending notes in the zettelkasten process.
aggregating my note data
Readwise does this, I think. There's also a hack for Roam (https://github.com/houshuang/hypothesis-to-bullet)
mobile
Really? I just shifted from iPad to Macbook to annotate this. Maybe I'll try it on mobile...
time and effort
This week I have a BUNCH of tagged pages in an ILL book (which I wasn't able to write in) that I need to get into my notes. Might try voice memos because I'm too cheap to keep the Drafts app -- although if my subscription hasn't expired I might use Drafts.
quick methods
Notability? Otter.ai?
Livescribe pen
OMG! I had one of those! Just threw it away in my most recent pass through box of abandoned tech.
going through my notes, reformatting them (if necessary), tagging them and expanding on them
Agreed. But surprised. Isn't this what you were objecting to in the intro?
highlights, annotations, and notes
Readwise scoops these up really well too.
tool that treats this method the same as the general online modality.
I've been using Hypothesis for that too, and I've even had my students annotate pdf journal articles and scanned monograph chapters after opening them in chrome. It seems to work pretty well. I'm also enjoying MarginNote 3 for that, and especially for the graphical mindmap. However, I'm only using free tools with my students.
I’d rather be able to highlight, type some thoughts and have it appear in my notebook.
I just saved this article to Instapaper and then highlighted and commented on this line in it. That will get saved up to Readwise and find its way into my notes workflow. I think this note I'm making here may also find its way into that workflow via Readwise. I'll let you know, Chris, if it does.
too painful
It's time-consuming, especially starting. But I'm hoping that as I get the workflow down it will become much more streamlined and convenient.
One thing I find myself wanting is a discovery-based follow button for Microsub that would allow me to input either my own following list or even my Twitter account
discovery-based follow
OPML files for categories within WordPress’s Links Manager
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microformatted and federated social web
I use all the data I capture online using Hypothes.is to port my annotations, highlights, and notes I make online into my commonplace book.
Four years after I first found Hypothes.is, I still haven't worked it into my workflow. Posts like this rekindle the early sparks of interest I felt, though. I'm inspired to try it out again and see if anything's changed...
Two key constituencies for social movements are also early adopters: activists and journalists
Plurality, diversity, and tolerance were celebrated
IndieWeb principles
Rather than a complete totalitarianism based on fear and blocking of information the newer methods include demonizing online mediums, and mobilizing armies of supporters or paid employees who muddy the online waters with misinformation, information glut, doubt, confusion, harrasment, and dis-traction, making it hard for ordinary people to navigate the networked pub-lic sphere, and sort facts from fiction, truth from hoaxes.
Sometimes it seems like Trump does this as a one man band.
His weak-tie networks had been politically activated
This makes me wonder if she's cited Mark Granovetter or any of similar sociologists yet?
Apparently she did in footnote 32 in chapter 1. Ha!
If anyone is aware of people or groups working on the potential integration of the IndieWeb movement (webmentions) and web annotation/highlighting, please include them in the comments below–I’d really appreciate it.
The IndieWebCamp.com site lists a small handful of people with Hypothes.is affiliations who had websites, but none of the seem to be active any longer. Perhaps we can track some of them down via twitter?
