(da)-GAL4
DOI: 10.1093/nar/gkaa122
Resource: Bloomington Drosophila Stock Center (RRID:SCR_006457)
Curator: @bdscstockkeepers
SciCrunch record: RRID:SCR_006457
(da)-GAL4
DOI: 10.1093/nar/gkaa122
Resource: Bloomington Drosophila Stock Center (RRID:SCR_006457)
Curator: @bdscstockkeepers
SciCrunch record: RRID:SCR_006457
RRID:SCR_024504
DOI: 10.1158/1078-0432.CCR-24-4141
Resource: WinNonlin (RRID:SCR_024504)
Curator: @scibot
SciCrunch record: RRID:SCR_024504
designed with our particular needs, practices and context in mind, and even TiddlyWiki, the one that is the simpler and more fluent to customize, was reaching a "stress point" regarding our documentation workflows and the extension capabilities and learnability that the (primary) author of Cardumen, was intending for.
Este punto me resulta muy interesante porque personalmente creo que varias de las herramientas tecnológicas que conozco no están pensadas con base en las necesidades, prácticas y el contexto, o se observan con consideran solo con fines lucrativos pero no con la intención de facilitar el cuidado de las memorias personales y el conocimiento comunitario.
The proposed new syntax has the particular intention of dealing with the problems of TiddlyWiki's domain-specific languages (DSL) with its operators and filters that, due to TiddlyWiki's syntax and particularities, do not generate knowledge easily transportable to other contexts outside TiddlyWiki and viceversa, the knowledge you have from other programming languages/environments clashes with the TiddlyWiki's syntax and particularities.
Esta característica también me resulta fundamental al momento de pensar la accesibilidad porque aborda el problema de la compatibilidad entre plataformas y la comunicación que puede haber entre ellas. Esto es importante porque muchas veces el conocimiento puede quedar sujeto a un formato o a un espacio en específico, restringiendo su uso y socialización en otros espacios.
So, how a new syntax can make more explicit the Hipertextual Algebra we talked before and empower memory/knowledge hypertextual/hypermedia practices? Cardumem is an exploration of that inquiry.
Es pregunta inicial respecto a la nueva sintaxis de Cardumen me parece muy valiosa ya que apunta a la accesibilidad, unos de los aspectos centrales de la clase. Qué tan accesible es un proyecto que desarrollamos también se manifiesta en el lenguaje, así que buscar la manera de hacer más explícito lo que se quiere comunicar, sin reducirlo necesariamente a algo simple, apunta a ese camino.
Non FAQ Cardumem is inmature/unknown enough to not have any Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), but here are some of the imagined ones to start with: 1. Why another wiki engine? There is plenty of wiki engines with variety of features and we have had direct experience with several of them (MoinMoin, Dokuwiki, MediaWiki, Tiddlywiki) since early 2000's until now. Because of that, we acknowledge the software crafmanship and dedication behind such creations from their developers and the communities around them. So, what is the Cardumem's differential offering that deserves to create even more sofware? Cardumem is proposed, in the context of the Grafoscopio community, where we have experimented with digital metatools and the notion of interpersonal wikis as a way to collect and care for personal and community knowledge and memory. Because of the connections of members in the Grafoscopio community with places in other communities and academia, our practices and infrastructures has been tested in different contexts: linguistic revitalizing for indigenous communities in the Colombian Amazonas, Role Playing games, diagnosis of community learning needs in information and communication technologies, and examples (1, 2) of personal blikis (blogs + wikis), among others. Our previous and current experience with wiki engines, made me wonder about new possibilities, considering that none of the previous wiki engines were: designed before the current increasing rise and awareness of hypermedia systems. designed with our particular needs, practices and context in mind, and even TiddlyWiki, the one that is the simpler and more fluent to customize, was reaching a "stress point" regarding our documentation workflows and the extension capabilities and learnability that the (primary) author of Cardumen, was intending for. Given that our needs, practices and workflows in the Grafoscopio community were feeding other communities and individuals, I thought that a deeper exploration would be interesting in order to adress the required tool evolution in Grafoscopio community and other possible future beneficiaries, like the communities and individuales that are using our customizations in Amazonas, the coffe region, Bogotá and maybe some other places, specialy in the Global South. Lua and YueScript would resonate with the simplicity that exists in TiddlyWiki and while a web server is added, to create a Multi-Page Application (or MPA) instead of the Single Page Application (or SPA), it is expected to maintain much of the cross-platform portability, thanks to the high embeddability of Lua/YueScript and the simplicity of hypermedia systems, compared to their JavaScript counterparts. The table as a single data structure in Lua and functions as first class citizens, would preserve the uniqueness of Tiddlers for storing wiki content, appearance and functionality and would explore the Tiddler Philosophy of providing an "algebra of information", which allows remixing "minimal units of meaning with richly modelled relationships between them" in languages beyond JavaScript.
Comprendo que Cardumen es nuevo y se esta desarrollando, aunque menciona que es mas fácil de usar que el tiddlywiki, pienso que las microwikis tienen un transfondo de lenguaje de programación, de manual de uso, entonces cardumen piensa en lo mas adaptable y esta bien, pero el hecho de hablar en común sobre lenguajes de programación, de sistemas, de tecnología etc, se generan estos lenguajes diferentes a Java que es muy chévere, también genera estos retos en la enseñanza y acompañamiento adecuado para que tenga el alcance que se desea.
New Syntax The relation between notation and thought has been expressed repeatedly: from the practical imposibility to multiply in roman numbers versus the easiness to do it with arabic numbers, to the convenience of changing between Leibnitz's and Newton's notation for derivates and how that makes some manipulations easier for particular context, to the Kenneth's Iversson's "Notation as a tool for thought" and its impact on APL and its successors. So, how a new syntax can make more explicit the Hipertextual Algebra we talked before and empower memory/knowledge hypertextual/hypermedia practices? Cardumem is an exploration of that inquiry. The proposed new syntax has the particular intention of dealing with the problems of TiddlyWiki's domain-specific languages (DSL) with its operators and filters that, due to TiddlyWiki's syntax and particularities, do not generate knowledge easily transportable to other contexts outside TiddlyWiki and viceversa, the knowledge you have from other programming languages/environments clashes with the TiddlyWiki's syntax and particularities. That means that the gentle curve that TiddlyWiki provides between being a content creator and a functionality creator within the wiki, with the smooth transitions between lightweight markup languages, macros, filters and operators, is limited in the future, if one wants to use those concepts in a more general way or mix them with knowledge coming from other programming environments/languages. With Cardumem, a DSL could be implemented, which would also be simple to learn, but which embodies more general concepts such as functional programming, pipelining, data injection and transformation, and which can be more easily reused and transported in other contexts. In this way, the gentle learning curve described above is preserved, while being generalized at the same time. The new syntax3 is provided by YueScript and Mustache logicless templating system, so expressions like this should be available to select all units of information (called Dumems in Cardumem) tagged as "member", randomize them and apply a particular template/style: tagged("member") |> ramdomize() |> stylize("MemberTemplate") As you can see, the readability should be greatly improved over other wiki engines (including TiddlyWiki) and composability should be made more explicit. Because of that and the hypermedia metatools approach, we hope that syntax encourages the exploration of new pragmatics and semantics, so more people traverse the gentle curve between content and functionality creator, while exploring the "algebra of hypertext" in their particular projects, like the ones we had with other wiki engines: Personal Knowledge Management, interpersonal wikis (1, 2), web portafolios, linguistic revitalization in Colombian Amazonas, community's memory, role playing games, among others
El tema de los lenguajes en si es tenso, aprenderlo genera retos como las nuevas formas de escribir, la familiarización con los símbolos y la gramática, bien sea para interpretar de forma correcta o traducir adecuadamente, y estos elementos se encuentran en este proceso, creo que es poco a poco para que el proceso de guardar, organizar y mejorar evolucionando a formas mas claras y fáciles sea realmente efectivo, toma tiempo, porque el proceso de aprender lo técnico, los temas de programación funcionales todo esto presentando ejemplos claros incluyendo esos elementos de comunidades y juegos.
Cardumem Wiki Cardumem is a wiki engine that continues TiddlyWiki's pioneer and long lasting exploration of an "algebra of hypertext", but goes beyond the JavaScript ecosystem, by reimagining such exploration from a Hypermedia Metatools approach. In a sense, Cardumem is a homage to TiddlyWiki, while (re)thinking/extending its deep ideas from another angle. Cardumem is a prototype of a minimalist extensible wiki engine, inspired by TiddlyWiki and backwards compatible with its data, made by combining Lua/YueScript + HTMX/Datastar, for server-side hypermedia programming, instead of client-side JavaScript. Cardumem tries to introduce new syntax for what Jeremy Ruston, author of TiddlyWiki would call1 an "algebra of hypertext", while supporting various of the pragmatics (practices) we have in several communities and projects that already use TiddlyWiki, and hopefully empowering the practices we care more about and introducing new ones. With the new syntax we try to support a similar gentle curve between being a content creator and a functionaly creator, like in TiddlyWiki's while implementing a more parsimonious design with syntax/concepts that can be applied more fluently outside our wiki engine (like data piping, templating and functional programming). A metatool is a tool that is used to describe, build and modify itself and eventualy other tools. Because of that, metatools are particularly useful to build custom workflows. While Cardumem at the moment is not build in itself, one important objective is to use the lessons of the Grafoscopio community building metatools, to boostrap first the usage of Cardumem in a particular community and then the meta properties of the tool, so it can be modified for such community. It that sense ours is also a practical and embodied inquiry and reflection in resonance with the Malleable Systems Collective (in fact, we found such collective after finishing the PhD research that conduced to the Grafoscopio metatool and community around it)
Encuentro interesante como en base a una herramienta se puede generar otra de forma mejorada y que en el transfondo siempre sea solucionar y hacer mas fácil y flexible las necesidades y las formas de uso de los usuarios, ya que estos elementos están implícitos en el acceso de la información.
Cardumem is proposed, in the context of the Grafoscopio community, where we have experimented with digital metatools and the notion of interpersonal wikis as a way to collect and care for personal and community knowledge and memory. Because of the connections of members in the Grafoscopio community with places in other communities and academia, our practices and infrastructures has been tested in different contexts: linguistic revitalizing for indigenous communities in the Colombian Amazonas, Role Playing games, diagnosis of community learning needs in information and communication technologies, and examples (1, 2) of personal blikis (blogs + wikis), among others.
se ve que Cardumem no nace solo por curiosidad técnica, sino que responde a necesidades reales de las comunidades. Me parece super valioso que lo relacionen con la memoria comunitaria y la revitalización de lenguas, esto hace que el programa también pueda tener un impacto social y humano.
With Cardumem, a DSL could be implemented, which would also be simple to learn, but which embodies more general concepts such as functional programming, pipelining, data injection and transformation, and which can be more easily reused and transported in other contexts. In this way, the gentle learning curve described above is preserved, while being generalized at the same time.
Lo que entiendo es que quieren un lenguaje más fácil y práctico por que así más personas pueden usarlo sin enredarse. Si la forma de escribir la información es clara, también lo será la forma de organizar nuestras ideas. y eso me parece muy interesante.
Cardumem is a prototype of a minimalist extensible wiki engine, inspired by TiddlyWiki and backwards compatible with its data, made by combining Lua/YueScript + HTMX/Datastar, for server-side hypermedia programming, instead of client-side JavaScript. Cardumem tries to introduce new syntax for what Jeremy Ruston, author of TiddlyWiki would call1 an "algebra of hypertext", while supporting various of the pragmatics (practices) we have in several communities and projects that already use TiddlyWiki, and hopefully empowering the practices we care more about and introducing new ones. With the new syntax we try to support a similar gentle curve between being a content creator and a functionaly creator, like in TiddlyWiki's while implementing a more parsimonious design with syntax/concepts that can be applied more fluently outside our wiki engine (like data piping, templating and functional programming).
Me llama la atención como se presenta a Cardumem, es como una especie de continuación de Tiddly Wiki, pero con un enfoque más amplio. Me parece interesante que lo llamen “álgebra de hipertexto”, porque no se trata solo de unir información como en cualquier wiki. Da la sensación de que no es solo un programa, sino también una manera de reflexionar sobre cómo organizamos el conocimiento. Esto nos invita a meditar que no es únicamente una herramienta técnica, sino un espacio para experimentar con nuevas formas de aprender y compartir.
Cardumem is proposed, in the context of the Grafoscopio community, where we have experimented with digital metatools and the notion of interpersonal wikis as a way to collect and care for personal and community knowledge and memory. Because of the connections of members in the Grafoscopio community with places in other communities and academia, our practices and infrastructures has been tested in different contexts
Encuentro muy interesante el tomar a TiddlyWiki como una inspiración por su facilidad de uso y alta customización y transformarla a partir de las necesidades de una comunidad, siempre es bueno tomar una formula que ya funciona y potenciarla, por lo que aprecio que le den crédito a esta plataforma. Ahora bien, se destaca la necesidad de portabilidad entre plataformas como uno de los motivos para crear Cardumem, lo que me parece más que justificado cuando se menciona que la comunidad objetivo trabaja para proteger la memoria y el conocimiento comunitario. Sin opciones para la portabilidad es difícil construir conocimiento colectivo que permita la trazabilidad hacia el contenido original y su creador, por lo que hacer una wiki que, por medio de Lua/YueScript logre solventar este problema, me parece una excelente iniciativa.
un rey viejo pero insensato
Una persona con años y experiencia en puestos de responsabilidad, quizá crea que no necesita consejos de nadie, y se vuelva insensato porque se siente confiado y seguro, pero aprenderá rápido el poder la fama, sin humildad ni sabiduría, es efímera, y en éste caso hasta un joven, que quizás estuvo preso por éste, puede llegar a ocupar su lugar.
Apprendre l’anglais en immersion a toujours été ma première source de motivation
He is in Canada because he is motivated to learn english.
L’action de Trump est pourtant clairement orientée vers le contraire du chaos guerrier y compris en Ukraine.
Sa lutte contre le nihilisme woke est en cours et couvre toute l’étendue du désastre mis en place, depuis les transgenres dans l’armée jusqu’à l’immigration illégale massive, en passant par la grande corruption vaccinale.
La grande thèse de Todd est la quasi-annexion d’Israël, ce qui suppose que l’attaque du Hezbollah, de l’Iran, du Qatar furent faites avec son accord préalable, tout comme l’acharnement à Gaza. Cela semble hautement invraisemblable et les choses sont bien plus compliquées que cela, comme on dit.
Et puis, les humiliations et attaques caractérisées de Trump contre les européens ne sont-elles pas plutôt de raisonnables rétorsions contre la folie Européenne, et aussi des vengeances justifiées contre les dirigeants européens tous ligués contre son élection ?
Author response:
The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews
Reviewer #1 (Public review):
Shigella flexneri is a bacterial pathogen that is an important globally significant cause of diarrhea. Shigella pathogenesis remains poorly understood. In their manuscript, Saavedra-Sanchez et al report their discovery that a secreted E3 ligase effector of Shigella, called IpaH1.4, mediates the degradation of a host E3 ligase called RNF213. RNF213 was previously described to mediate ubiquitylation of intracellular bacteria, an initial step in their targeting of xenophagosomes. Thus, Shigella IpaH1.4 appears to be an important factor in permitting evasion of RNF213-mediated host defense.
Strengths:
The work is focused, convincing, well-performed, and important. The manuscript is well-written.
We would like to thank the reviewer for their time evaluating our manuscript and the positive assessment of the novelty and importance of our study. We provide a comprehensive response to each of the reviewer’s specific recommendations below and highlight any changes made to the manuscript in response to those recommendations.
Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):
(1) In the abstract (and similarly on p.10), the authors claim to have shown "IpaH1.4 protein as a direct inhibitor of mammalian RNF213". However, they do not show the interaction is direct. This, in my opinion, would require demonstrating an interaction between purified recombinant proteins. I presume that the authors are relying on their UBAIT data to support the direct interaction, but this is a fairly artificial scenario that might be prone to indirect substrates. I would therefore prefer that the 'direct' statement be modified (or better supported with additional data). Similarly, on p.7, the section heading states "S. flexneri virulence factors IpaH1.4 and IpaH2.5 are sufficient to induce RNF213 degradation". The corresponding experiment is to show sufficiency in a 293T cell, but this leaves open the participation of additional 293T-expressed factors. So I would remove "are sufficient to", or alternatively add "...in 293T cells".
We agree with the reviewer and made the recommended changes to the text in the abstract, in the results section on page 7, and in the Discussion on page 11. During the revision of our manuscript two additional studies were published that provide convincing biochemical evidence for the direct interaction between IpaH1.4 and RNF213 (PMID: 40205224; PMID: 40164614). These studies address the reviewer’s concern extensively and are now briefly discussed and cited in our revised MS.
(2) In the abstract the authors state "Linear (M1-) and lysine-linked ubiquitin is conjugated to bacteria by RNF213 independent of the linear ubiquitin chain assembly complex (LUBAC)." However, it is not shown that RNF213 is able to directly perform M1-ubiquitylation. It is shown that RNF213 is required for M1-linked ubiquitylation in IpaH1.4 or MxiE mutants, this is different than showing conjugation is done by RNF213 itself. This should be reworded.
We agree and edited the text accordingly
(3) Introduction: one of the main points of the paper is that RNF213 conjugates linear ubiquitin to the surface of bacteria in a manner independent of the previously characterized linear ubiquitin conjugation (LUBAC) complex. This is indeed an interesting result, but the introduction does not put this discovery in much context. I would suggest adding some discussion of what was known, if anything, about the type of Ub chain formed by RNF213, and specifically whether linear Ub had previously been observed or not.
We now provide context in the Introduction on page 3 and briefly discuss previous work that had implicated LUBAC in the ubiquitylation of cytosolic bacteria. We emphasize that LUBAC specifically generates linear (M1-linked) ubiquitin chains, while the types of ubiquitin linkages deposited on bacteria through RNF213-dependent pathways had remained unidentified.
(4) Figure 3C: is the difference in 7KR-Ub between WT and HOIP KO cells significant? If so, the authors may wish to acknowledge the possibility that HOIP partially contributes to M1-Ub of MxiE mutant Shigella
The frequencies at which bacteria are decorated with 7KR-Ub is not statistically different between WT and HOIP KO cells. We have included this information in the panel description of Figure 3.
(5) On page 11, the authors state that "...we observed that LUBAC is dispensable for M1-linked ubiquitylation of cytosolic S. flexneri ∆ipaH1.4. We found that lysine-less internally tagged ubiquitin or an M1-specific antibody bound to S. flexneri ∆ipaH1.4 in cells lacking LUBAC (HOIL-1KO or HOIPKO) but failed to bind bacteria in RNF213-deficient cells". In fact, what is shown is that M1-ubiquitylation in ∆ipaH1.4 infection is RNF213-dependent (5E), but the work with lysine mutants, HOIP or HOIL-1 KOs are all with ∆mxiE, not ∆ipaH1.4 (3B) in this version of the manuscript. Ideally, the data with ∆ipaH1.4 could be added, but alternatively, the conclusion could be re-worded.
We now include the data demonstrating that staining of ∆ipaH1.4 with an M1-specific antibody is unchanged from WT cells in HOIL-1 KO and HOIP KO cells. These data are shown in supplementary data (Fig. S3E) and referred to on page 9 of the revised manuscript.
(6) The UBAIT experiment should be explained in a bit more detail in the text. The approach is not necessarily familiar to all readers, and the rationale for using Salmonella-infected ceca/colons is not well explained (and seems odd). Some appropriate caution about interpreting these data might also be welcome. Did HOIP or HOIL show up in the UBAIT? This perhaps also deserves some discussion.
As expected, HOIP (listed under its official gene name Rnf31 in the table of Fig.S2B) was identified as a candidate IpaH1.4 interaction partner as the third most abundant hit from the UBAIT screen. Remarkably, Rnf213 was the hit with the highest abundance in the IpaH1.4 UBAIT screen. To address the reviewer’s comments, we now explain the UBAIT approach in more detail and provide the rational for using intestinal protein lysates from Salmonella infected mice. The text on page 8 reads as follows: “To investigate potential physical interactions between IpaH1.4 and IpaH2.5, we reanalyzed a previously generated dataset that employed a method known as ubiquitin-activated interaction traps (UBAITs) (32). As shown in Fig. S2A, the human ubiquitin gene was fused to the 3′ end of IpaH2.5, producing a C-terminal IpaH2.5-ubiquitin fusion protein. When incubated with ATP, ubiquitin-activating enzyme E1, and ubiquitin-conjugating enzyme E2, the IpaH2.5-ubiquitin "bait" protein is capable of binding to and ubiquitylating target substrates. This ubiquitylation creates an iso-peptide bond between the IpaH2.5 bait and its substrate, thereby enabling purification via a Strep affinity tag incorporated into the fusion construct (32). IpaH2.5-ubiquitin bait and IpaH3-ubiquitin control proteins were incubated with lysates from murine intestinal tissue. To detect interaction partners in a physiologically relevant setting, we used intestinal lysates derived from mice infected with Salmonella, which in contrast to Shigella causes pronounced inflammation in WT mice and therefore better simulates human Shigellosis in an animal model. Using UBAIT we identified HOIP (Rnf31) as a likely IpaH2.5 binding partner (Fig. S2B), thus confirming previous observations (28) and validating the effectiveness our approach. Strikingly, we identified mouse Rnf213 as the most abundant interaction partner of the IpaH2.5-ubiquitin bait protein (Fig. S2B). Collectively, our data and concurrent reports showing direct interactions between IpaH1.4 and human RNF213 (36, 37) indicate that the virulence factors IpaH1.4 and IpaH2.5 directly bind and degrade mouse as well as human RNF213.”
(7) It would be helpful if the authors discussed their results in the context of the prior work showing IpaH1.4/2.5 mediate the degradation of HOIP. Do the authors see HOIP degradation? If indeed HOIP and RNF213 are both degraded by IpaH1.4 and IpaH2.5, are there conserved domains between RNF213 and HOIP being targeted? Or is only one the direct target? A HOIP-RNF213 interaction has previously been shown (https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-024-47289-2). Since they interact, is it possible one is degraded indirectly? To help clarify this, a simple experiment would be to test if RNF213 degraded in HOIP KO cells (or vice-versa)?
We appreciate the reviewer’s suggestions. We conducted the proposed experiments and found that WT S. flexneri infections result in RNF213 degradation in both WT and HOIP KO cells. Similarly, we found that HOIP degradation was independent of RNF213. We have included these data in Figs. 5A and S3B of our revised submission. A study published during revisions of our paper demonstrates that the LRR of IpaH1.4 binds to the RING domains of both RNF213 and LUBAC (PMID: 40205224). We refer to this work in our revised manuscript.
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
Summary:
The authors find that the bacterial pathogen Shigella flexneri uses the T3SS effector IpaH1.4 to induce degradation of the IFNg-induced protein RNF213. They show that in the absence of IpaH1.4, cytosolic Shigella is bound by RNF213. Furthermore, RNF213 conjugates linear and lysine-linked ubiquitin to Shigella independently of LUBAC. Intriguingly, they find that Shigella lacking ipaH1.4 or mxiE, which regulates the expression of some T3SS effectors, are not killed even when ubiquitylated by RNF213 and that these mutants are still able to replicate within the cytosol, suggesting that Shigella encodes additional effectors to escape from host defenses mediated by RNF213-driven ubiquitylation.
Strengths:
The authors take a variety of approaches, including host and bacterial genetics, gain-of-function and loss-of-function assays, cell biology, and biochemistry. Overall, the experiments are elegantly designed, rigorous, and convincing.
Weaknesses:
The authors find that ipaH1.4 mutant S. flexneri no longer degrades RNF213 and recruits RNF213 to the bacterial surface. The authors should perform genetic complementation of this mutant with WT ipaH1.4 and the catalytically inactive ipaH1.4 to confirm that ipaH1.4 catalytic activity is indeed responsible for the observed phenotype.
We would like to thank the reviewer for their time evaluating our manuscript and the positive assessment of our work, especially its scientific rigor. We conducted the experiment suggested by the reviewer and included the new data in the revised manuscript. As expected, complementation of the ∆ipaH1.4 with WT IpaH1.4 but not with the catalytically dead C338S mutant restored the ability of Shigella to efficiently escape from recognition by RNF213 (Figs. 5C-D).
Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):
The authors should perform genetic complementation of the ipaH1.4 mutant with WT ipaH1.4 and the catalytically inactive ipaH1.4 to confirm that ipaH1.4 catalytic activity is indeed responsible for the observed phenotype.
We performed the suggested experiment and show in Figs. 5C-D that complementation of the ∆ipaH1.4 mutant with WT IpaH1.4 but not with the catalytically dead C338S mutant restored the ability of Shigella to efficiently escape from recognition by RNF213. These data demonstrate that the catalytic activity of IpaH1.4 is required for evasion of RNF213 binding to the bacteria.
Reviewer #3 (Public review):
Summary:
In this study, the authors set out to investigate whether and how Shigella avoids cell-autonomous immunity initiated through M1-linked ubiquitin and the immune sensor and E3 ligase RNF213. The key findings are that the Shigella flexneri T3SS effector, IpaH1.4 induces degradation of RNF213. Without IpaH1.4, the bacteria are marked with RNF213 and ubiquitin following stimulation with IFNg. Interestingly, this is not sufficient to initiate the destruction of the bacteria, leading the authors to conclude that Shigella deploys additional virulence factors to avoid this host immune response. The second key finding of this paper is the suggestion that M1 chains decorate the mxiE/ipaH Shigella mutant independent of LUBAC, which is, by and large, considered the only enzyme capable of generating M1-linked ubiquitin chains.
Strengths:
The data is for the most part well controlled and clearly presented with appropriate methodology. The authors convincingly demonstrate that IpaH1.4 is the effector responsible for the degradation of RNF213 via the proteasome, although the site of modification is not identified.
Weaknesses:
(1)The work builds on prior work from the same laboratory that suggests that M1 ubiquitin chains can be formed independently of LUBAC (in the prior publication this related to Chlamydia inclusions). In this study, two pieces of evidence support this statement -fluorescence microscopy-based images and accompanying quantification in Hoip and Hoil knockout cells for association of M1-ub, using an antibody, to Shigella mutants and the use of an internally tagged Ub-K7R mutant, which is unable to be incorporated into ubiquitin chains via its lysine residues. Given that clones of the M1-specific antibody are not always specific for M1 chains, and because it remains formally possible that the Int-K7R Ub can be added to the end of the chain as a chain terminator or as mono-ub, the authors should strengthen these findings relating to the claim that another E3 ligase can generate M1 chains de novo.
(2) The main weakness relating to the infection work is that no bacterial protein loading control is assayed in the western blots of infected cells, leaving the reader unable to determine if changes in RNF213 protein levels are the result of the absent bacterial protein (e.g. IpaH1.4) or altered infection levels.
(3)The importance of IFNgamma priming for RNF213 association to the mxiE or ipaH1.4 strain could have been investigated further as it is unclear if RNF213 coating is enhanced due to increased protein expression of RNF213 or another factor. This is of interest as IFNgamma priming does not seem to be needed for RNF213 to detect and coat cytosolic Salmonella.<br /> Overall, the findings are important for the host-pathogen field, cell-autonomous/innate immune signaling fields, and microbial pathogenesis fields. If further evidence for LUBAC independent M1 ubiquitylation is achieved this would represent a significant finding.
We would like to thank the reviewer for their time evaluating our manuscript and the positive assessment of our work and its significance. We provide a comprehensive response to the main three critiques listed under ‘weaknesses’ and also have responded to each of the reviewer’s specific recommendations below. We highlight any changes made to the manuscript in response to those recommendations.
(1) As the reviewer correctly pointed out, 7KR ubiquitin cannot only be used for linear ubiquitylation but can also function as a donor ubiquitin and can be attached as mono-ubiquitin to a substrate or to an existing ubiquitin chain as a chain terminator. To distinguish between 7KR INT-Ub signals originating from linear versus mono-ubiquitylation, we followed the reviewer’s advice and generated a N-terminally tagged 7KR INT-Ub variant. The N-terminal tag prevents linear ubiquitylation but still allows 7KR INT-Ub to be attached as a mono-ubiquitin. We found that the addition of this N-terminal tag significantly reduced but not completely abolished the number of Δ_mxiE_ bacteria decorated with 7KR INT-Ub. These data are shown in a new Fig. S1 and indicate that 7KR lacking the N-terminal tag is attached to bacteria both in the form of linear (M1-linked) ubiquitin and as donor ubiquitin, possibly as a chain terminator. While we cannot rule out that the anti-M1 antibodies used here cross-react with other ubiquitin linkages, we reason that the 7KR data strongly argues that linear ubiquitin is part of the ubiquitin coat encasing IpaH1.4-deficient cytosolic Shigella. Collectively, our data show that both linear and lysine-linked (especially K27 and K63) ubiquitin chains are part of the RNF213-dependent ubiquitin coat on the surface of IpaH1.4 mutants. And furthermore, our data strongly indicate that this ubiquitylation of IpaH1.4 mutants is independent of LUBAC.
(2) We used GFP-expressing strains of S. flexneri for our infection studies and were therefore able to use GFP expression as a loading control. We have incorporated these data into our revised figures. These new data (Figs. 4A, 5A, and S3B) show that bacterial infection levels were comparable between WT and mutant infections and that therefore the degradation of RNF213 (or HOIP – see new data in Fig. S3B) is not due to differences in infection efficiency.
(3) We agree with the reviewer that the mechanism by which RNF213 binds to bacteria is an important unanswered question. Similarly, whether other ISGs have auxiliary functions in this process or whether binding efficiencies vary between different bacterial species are important questions in the field. However, these questions go far beyond the scope of this study and were therefore not addressed in our revisions.
Reviewer #3 (Recommendations for the authors):
(1) An N-terminally tagged K7R-ub should be used as a control to test whether the signal found around the mutant shigella is being added via the N terminal Met into chains. As it is known that certain batches of the M1-specific antibodies are in fact not specific and able to detect other chain types, the authors should test the specificity of the antibody used in this study (eg against different di-Ub linkage types) and include this data in the manuscript.
We agree with the reviewer in principle. The anti-linear ubiquitin (anti-M1) monoclonal antibody, clone 1E3, prominently used in this study was tested by the manufacturer (Sigma) by Western blotting analysis and according to the manufacturer “this antibody detected ubiquitin in linear Ub, but not Ub K11, Ub K48, Ub K63.” However, this analysis did not include all possible Ub linkage types and thus the reviewer is correct that the anti-M1 antibody could theoretically also detect some other linkage types. To address this concern, we added new data during revisions demonstrating that 7KR INT-Ub targeting to S. flexneri is largely dependent on the N-terminus (M1) of ubiquitin. Our combined observations therefore overwhelmingly support the conclusion that linear (M1-linked) as well as K-linked ubiquitin is being attached to the surface of IpH1.4 S. flexneri bacteria in an RNF213-dependent and LUBAC-independent manner.
(2) The M1 signal detected on bacteria with the antibody is still present in either Hoip or Hoil KO’s but due to the potential non-specificity of the antibody, the authors should test whether K7R ub is detected on bacteria in the Hoil ko (in addition to Hoip KO). This would strengthen the authors’ data on LUBAC-independent M1 and is important because Hoil can catalyse non-canonical ubiquitylation.
The specific linear ubiquitin-ligating activity of LUBAC is enacted by HOIP. We show that linear ubiquitylation of susceptible S. flexneri mutants as assessed by anti-M1 ubiquitin staining or 7KR INT-Ub recruitment occurs in HOIPKO cells at WT levels (Figs. 3B, 3C, S3E [new data]). In our view , these data unequivocally show that the observed linear ubiquitylation of cytosolic S. flexneri ipaH1.4 and mxiE mutants is independent of LUBAC.
(3) For Figure 4A, do mxiE bacteria show similar invasion - authors should include a bacterial protein control to show levels of bacteria in WT and mxiE infected conditions. A similar control should be included in Figure 5A.
We used GFP-expressing strains of S. flexneri for our infection studies and were therefore able to use GFP expression as a loading control. We have incorporated these data into our revised figures. These new data (Figs. 4A, 5A, and S3B) show that bacterial infection levels were comparable between WT and mutant infections and that therefore the degradation of RNF213 (or HOIP – see new data in Fig. S3B) is not due to differences in infection efficiency.
(4) Can the authors speculate why IFNg priming is needed for the coating of Shigella mxiE mutant but not in the case of Salmonella or Burkholderia? Is this just amounts of RNF213 or something else?
In our studies we did not directly compare ubiquitylation rates of cytosolic Shigella, Burkholderia, and Salmonella bacteria with each other under the same experimental conditions. However, such a direct comparison is needed to determine whether IFNgamma priming is required for RNF213-dependent bacterial ubiquitylation of some but not other pathogens. Two papers published during the revisions of our manuscript (PMID: 40164614, PMID: 40205224) reports robust RNF213 targeting to IpaH1.4 Shigella mutants in unprimed cells HeLa cells (whereas we used A549 and HT29 cells). Therefore, differences in reagents, cell lines, and/or other experimental conditions may determine whether IFNgamma priming is necessary to observe substantial RNF213 translocation to cytosolic bacteria.
(5) Typos - there are several, but this is hard to annotate with line numbers so the authors should proofread again carefully.
We proofread the manuscript and corrected the small number of typos we identified
ça ce serait nouveau, c’est ça ?
Oui tout à fait
l’alignement des systèmes de coordonnées
Depuis quelques mois il y a une possibilité de connecter le LLM Claude à QGIS (je n'ai pas la méthode précise, mais trouvable sur Youtube et vue sur LinkedIn). Est-ce qu'il n'y a pas moyen de tester grâce à l'IA un réalignement des systèmes de coordonnées ? Au-delà, une intervention à DistamLab par un usager de l'IA dans les SIG pourrait être intéressante.
Une réflexion doit être engagée afin d’assurer une gestion raisonnée et adéquate de la volumétrie (–> engager la réflexion avec le consortium 3D ? étudier l’expérience des astronomes, de l’imagerie médicale ?)
Dans une perspective de gestion raisonnée (qui tient compte des enjeux écologiques), la réflexion peut porter sur la sélection des rasters à mettre en ligne. Existe-t-il des formats autres que le TIFF qui soit aussi performant et moins volumineux ?
Reviewer #1 (Public review):
Li et al. investigate Ca2+ signaling in T. gondii and argue that Ca2+ tunnels through the ER to other organelles to fuel multiple aspects of T. gondii biology. They focus in particular on TgSERCA as the presumed primary mechanism for ER Ca2+ filling. Although, when TgSERCA was knocked out there was still a Ca2+ release in response to TG present. Overall the data supports a model where the Ca2+ filling state of the ER modulates Ca2+ dynamics in other organelles.
Comments on revisions:
I thank the authors for their careful revisions and response to my comments, which have been addressed.
Regarding the most critical point of the paper that is Ca2+ transfer from the ER to other organelles, the authors in their rebuttal and in the revised manuscript argue that ER Ca2+ is critical to redistribute and replenish Ca2+ in other organelles in the cell. I agree this conclusion and think it is best stated in the authors' response to point #7: "We propose that this leaked calcium is subsequently taken up by other intracellular compartments. This effect is observed immediately upon TG addition. However, pre-incubation with TG or knockdown of SERCA reduces calcium storage in the ER, thereby diminishing the transfer of calcium to other stores."
In their rebuttal the authors particularly highlight experiments in Figures 1H-K, 4G-H, and 5H-K in support of this conclusion. The data in Fig 1H-K show that with TG there is increased Ca2+ release from acidic stores. In all cases TG results in a rise in cytoplasmic Ca2+ that could load the acidic stores. So under those conditions the increased acidic organelle Ca2+ is likely due to a preceding high cytosolic Ca2+ transient due to TG. The experiments in 4G-H and 5H-K are more convincing and supportive of an important role of ER Ca2+ to maintain Ca2+ levels in other organelles. Overall, and to avoid a detailed, lengthy discussion of every point, the data support a model where in the absence of SERCA activity ER Ca2+ is reduced as well as Ca2+ in other organelles. I think it would be helpful to present and discuss this finding throughout the manuscript as under physiological conditions ER Ca2+ is regularly mobilized for signaling and homeostasis and this maintains Ca2+ levels in other organelles. This is supported by the new experiment in Supp Fig. 2A.
Author response:
Reviewer #1 (Public review):
In this important study, the authors develop a suite of machine vision tools to identify and align fluorescent neuronal recording images in space and time according to neuron identity and position. The authors provide compelling evidence for the speed and utility of these tools. While such tools have been developed in the past (including by the authors), the key advancement here is the speed and broad utility of these new tools. While prior approaches based on steepest descent worked, they required hundreds of hours of computational time, while the new approaches outlined here are >600-fold faster. The machine vision tools here should be immediately useful to readers specifically interested in whole-brain C. elegans data, but also for more general readers who may be interested in using BrainAlignNet for tracking fluorescent neuronal recordings from other systems.
I really enjoyed reading this paper. The authors had several ground truth examples to quantify the accuracy of their algorithms and identified several small caveats users should consider when using these tools. These tools were primarily developed for C. elegans, an animal with stereotyped development, but whose neurons can be variably located due to internal motion of the body. The authors provide several examples of how BrainAlignNet reliably tracked these neurons over space and time. Neuron identity is also important to track, and the authors showed how AutoCellLoader can reliably identify neurons based on their fluorescence in the NeuroPAL background. A challenge with NeuroPAL though, is the high expression of several fluorophores, which compromises behavioral fidelity. The authors provide some possible avenues where this problem can be addressed by expressing fewer fluorophores. While using all four channels provided the best performance, only using the tagRFP and CyOFP channels was sufficient for performance that was close to full performance using all 4 NeuroPAL channels. This result indicates that the development of future lines with less fluorophore expression could be sufficient for reliable neuronal identification, which would decrease the genetic load on the animal, but also open other fluorescent channels that could be used for tracking other fluorescent tools/markers. Even though these tools were developed for C. elegans specifically, they showed BrainAlignNet can be applied to other organisms as well (in their case, the cnidarian C. hemisphaerica), which broadens the utility of their tools.
Strengths:
(1) The authors have a wealth of ground-truth training data to compare their algorithms against, and provide a variety of metrics to assess how well their new tools perform against hand annotation and/or prior algorithms.
(2) For BrainAlignNet, the authors show how this tool can be applied to other organisms besides C. elegans.
(3) The tools are publicly available on GitHub, which includes useful README files and installation guidance.
We thank the reviewer for noting these strengths of our study.
Weaknesses:
(1) Most of the utility of these algorithms is for C. elegans specifically. Testing their algorithms (specifically BrainAlignNet) on more challenging problems, such as whole-brain zebrafish, would have been interesting. This is a very, very minor weakness, though.
We appreciate the reviewer’s point that expanding to additional animal models would be valuable. In the study, we have so far tested our approaches on C. elegans and Jellyfish. Given that this is considered a ‘very, very minor weakness’ and that it does not directly affect the results or analyses in the paper, we think this might be better to address in future work.
(2) The tools are benchmarked against their own prior pipeline, but not against other algorithms written for the same purpose.
We agree that it would be valuable to benchmark other labs’ software pipelines on our datasets. We note that most papers in this area, which describe those pipelines, provide the same performance metrics that we do (accuracy of neuron identification, tracking accuracy, etc), so a crude, first-order comparison can be obtained by comparing the numbers in the papers. But, we agree that a rigorous head-to-head comparison would require applying these different pipelines to a common dataset. We considered performing these analyses, but we were concerned that using other labs’ software ‘off the shelf’ on our data might not represent those pipelines in their best light when compared to our pipeline that was developed with our data in mind. Data from different microscopy platforms can be surprisingly different and we wouldn’t want to perform an analysis that had this bias. Therefore, we feel that this comparison would be best pursued by all of these labs collaboratively (so that they can each provide input on how to run their software optimally). Indeed, this is an important area for future study. In this spirit, we have been sharing our eat-4::GFP datasets (that permit quantification of tracking accuracy) with other labs looking for additional ways to benchmark their tracking software.
We also note that there are not really any pipelines to directly compare against CellDiscoveryNet, as we are not aware of any other fully unsupervised approach for neuron identification in C. elegans.
(3) Considerable pre-processing was done before implementation. Expanding upon this would improve accessibility of these tools to a wider audience.
Indeed, some pre-processing was performed on images before registration and neuron identification -- understanding these nuances can be important. The pre-processing steps are described in the Results section and detailed in the Methods. They are also all available in our open-source software. For BrainAlignNet, the key steps were: (1) selecting image registration problems, (2) cropping, and (3) Euler alignment. Steps (1) and (3) were critically important and are extensively discussed in the Results and Discussion sections of our study (lines 142-144, 218-234, 318-323, 704-712). Step (2) is standard in image processing. For AutoCellLabeler and CellDiscoveryNet, the pre-processing was primarily to align the 4 NeuroPAL color channels to each other (i.e. make sure the blue/red/orange/etc channels for an animal are perfectly aligned). This is also just a standard image processing step to ensure channel alignment. Thus, the more “custom” pre-processing steps were extensively discussed in the study and the more “common” steps are still described in the Methods. The implementation of all steps is available in our open-source software.
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
Summary:
The paper introduced the pipeline to analyze brain imaging of freely moving animals: registering deforming tissues and maintaining consistent cell identities over time. The pipeline consists of three neural networks that are built upon existing models: BrainAlignNet for non-rigid registration, AutoCellLabeler for supervised annotation of over 100 neuronal types, and CellDiscoveryNet for unsupervised discovery of cell identities. The ambition of the work is to enable high-throughput and largely automated pipelines for neuron tracking and labeling in deforming nervous systems.
Strengths:
(1) The paper tackles a timely and difficult problem, offering an end-to-end system rather than isolated modules.
(2) The authors report high performance within their dataset, including single-pixel registration accuracy, nearly complete neuron linking over time, and annotation accuracy that exceeds individual human labelers.
(3) Demonstrations across two organisms suggest the methods could be transferable, and the integration of supervised and unsupervised modules is of practical utility.
We thank the reviewer for noting these strengths of our study.
Weaknesses:
(1) Lack of solid evaluation. Despite strong results on their own data, the work is not benchmarked against existing methods on community datasets, making it hard to evaluate relative performance or generality.
We agree that it would be valuable to benchmark many labs’ software pipelines on some common datasets, ideally from several different research labs. We note that most papers in this area, which describe the other pipelines that have been developed, provide the same performance metrics that we do (accuracy of neuron identification, tracking accuracy, etc), so a crude, first-order comparison can be obtained by comparing the numbers in the papers. But, we agree that a rigorous head-to-head comparison would require applying these different pipelines to a common dataset. We considered performing these analyses, but we were concerned that using other labs’ software ‘off the shelf’ and comparing the results to our pipeline (where we have extensive expertise) might bias the performance metrics in favor of our software. Therefore, we feel that this comparison would be best pursued by all of these labs collaboratively (so that they can each provide input on how to run their software optimally). Indeed, this is an important area for future study. In this spirit, we have been sharing our eat-4::GFP datasets (that permit quantification of tracking accuracy) with other labs looking for additional ways to benchmark their tracking software.
We also note that there are not really any pipelines to directly compare against CellDiscoveryNet, as we are not aware of any other fully unsupervised approach for neuron identification in C. elegans.
(2) Lack of novelty. All three models do not incorporate state-of-the-art advances from the respective fields. BrainAlignNet does not learn from the latest optical flow literature, relying instead on relatively conventional architectures. AutoCellLabeler does not utilize the advanced medNeXt3D architectures for supervised semantic segmentation. CellDiscoveryNet is presented as unsupervised discovery but relies on standard clustering approaches, with limited evaluation on only a small test set.
We appreciate that the machine learning field moves fast. Our goal was not to invent entirely novel machine learning tools, but rather to apply and optimize tools for a set of challenging, unsolved biological problems. We began with the somewhat simpler architectures described in our study and were largely satisfied with their performance. It is conceivable that newer approaches would perhaps lead to even greater accuracy, flexibility, and/or speed. But, oftentimes, simple or classical solutions can adequately resolve specific challenges in biological image processing.
Regarding CellDiscoveryNet, our claim of unsupervised training is precise: CellDiscoveryNet is trained end-to-end only on raw images, with no human annotations, pseudo-labels, external classifiers, or metadata used for training, model selection, or early stopping. The loss is defined entirely from the input data (no label signal). By standard usage in machine learning, this constitutes unsupervised (often termed “self-supervised”) representation learning. Downstream clustering is likewise unsupervised, consuming only image pairs registered by CellDiscoveryNet and neuron segmentations produced by our previously-trained SegmentationNet (which provides no label information).
(3) Lack of robustness. BrainAlignNet requires dataset-specific training and pre-alignment strategies, limiting its plug-and-play use. AutoCellLabeler depends heavily on raw intensity patterns of neurons, making it brittle to pose changes. By contrast, current state-of-the-art methods incorporate spatial deformation atlases or relative spatial relationships, which provide robustness across poses and imaging conditions. More broadly, the ANTSUN 2.0 system depends on numerous manually tuned weights and thresholds, which reduces reproducibility and generalizability beyond curated conditions.
Regarding BrainAlignNet: we agree that we trained on each species’ own data (worm, jellyfish) and we would suggest other labs working on new organisms to do the same based on our current state of knowledge. It would be fantastic if there was an alignment approach that generalized to all possible cases of non-rigid-registration in all animals – an important area for future study. We also agree that pre-alignment was critical in worms and jellyfish, which we discuss extensively in our study (lines 142-144, 318-321, 704-712).
Regarding AutoCellLabeler: the animals were not recorded in any standardized pose and were not aligned to each other beforehand – they were basically in a haphazard mix of poses and we used image augmentation to allow the network to generalize to other poses, as described in our study. It is still possible that AutoCellLabeler is somehow brittle to pose changes (e.g. perhaps extremely curved worms) – while we did not detect this in our analyses, we did not systematically evaluate performance across all possible poses. However, we do note that this network was able to label images taken from freely-moving worms, which by definition exhibit many poses (Figure 5D, lines 500-525); aggregating the network’s performance across freely-moving data points allowed it to nearly match its performance on high-SNR immobilized data. This suggests a degree of robustness of the AutoCellLabeler network to pose changes.
Regarding ANTSUN 2.0: we agree that there are some hyperparameters (described in our study) that affect ANTSUN performance. We agree that it would be worthwhile to fully automate setting these in future iterations of the software.
Evaluation:
To make the evaluation more solid, it would be great for the authors to (1) apply the new method on existing datasets and (2) apply baseline methods on their own datasets. Otherwise, without comparison, it is unclear if the proposed method is better or not. The following papers have public challenging tracking data: https://elifesciences.org/articles/66410, https://elifesciences.org/articles/59187, https://www.nature.com/articles/s41592-023-02096-3.
Please see our response to your point (1) under Weaknesses above.
Methodology:
(1) The model innovations appear incrementally novel relative to existing work. The authors should articulate what is fundamentally different (architectural choices, training objectives, inductive biases) and why those differences matter empirically. Ablations isolating each design choice would help.
There are other efforts in the literature to solve the neuron tracking and neuron identification problems in C. elegans (please see paragraphs 4 and 5 of our Introduction, which are devoted to describing these). However, they are quite different in the approaches that they use, compared to our study. For example, for neuron tracking they use t->t+1 methods, or model neurons as point clouds, etc (a variety of approaches have been tried). For neuron identification, they work on extracted features from images, or use statistical approaches rather than deep neural networks, etc (a variety of approaches have been tried). Our assessment is that each of these diverse approaches has strengths and drawbacks; we agree that a meta-analysis of the design choices used across studies could be valuable.
We also note that there are not really any pipelines to directly compare against CellDiscoveryNet, as we are not aware of any other fully unsupervised approach for neuron identification in C. elegans.
(2) The pipeline currently depends on numerous manually set hyperparameters and dataset-specific preprocessing. Please provide principled guidelines (e.g., ranges, default settings, heuristics) and a robustness analysis (sweeps, sensitivity curves) to show how performance varies with these choices across datasets; wherever possible, learn weights from data or replace fixed thresholds with data-driven criteria.
We agree that there are some ANTSUN 2.0 hyperparameters (described in our Methods section) that could affect the quality of neuron tracking. It would be worthwhile to fully automate setting these in future iterations of the software, ensuring that the hyperparameter settings are robust to variation in data/experiments.
Appraisal:
The authors partially achieve their aims. Within the scope of their dataset, the pipeline demonstrates impressive performance and clear practical value. However, the absence of comparisons with state-of-the-art algorithms such as ZephIR, fDNC, or WormID, combined with small-scale evaluation (e.g., ten test volumes), makes the strength of evidence incomplete. The results support the conclusion that the approach is useful for their lab's workflow, but they do not establish broader robustness or superiority over existing methods.
We wish to remind the reviewer that we developed BrainAlignNet for use in worms and jellyfish. These two animals have different distributions of neurons and radically different anatomy and movement patterns. Data from the two organisms was collected in different labs (Flavell lab, Weissbourd lab) on different types of microscopes (spinning disk, epifluorescence). We believe that this is a good initial demonstration that the approach has robustness across different settings.
Regarding comparisons to other labs’ C. elegans data processing pipelines, we agree that it will be extremely valuable to compare performance on common datasets, ideally collected in multiple different research labs. But we believe this should be performed collaboratively so that all software can be utilized in their best light with input from each lab, as described above. We agree that such a comparison would be very valuable.
Impact:
Even though the authors have released code, the pipeline requires heavy pre- and post-processing with numerous manually tuned hyperparameters, which limits its practical applicability to new datasets. Indeed, even within the paper, BrainAlignNet had to be adapted with additional preprocessing to handle the jellyfish data. The broader impact of the work will depend on systematic benchmarking against community datasets and comparison with established methods. As such, readers should view the results as a promising proof of concept rather than a definitive standard for imaging in deformable nervous systems.
Regarding worms vs jellyfish pre-processing: we actually had the exact opposite reaction to that of the reviewer. We were surprised at how similar the pre-processing was for these two very different organisms. In both cases, it was essential to (1) select appropriate registration problems to be solved; and (2) perform initialization with Euler alignment. Provided that these two challenges were solved, BrainAlignNet mostly took care of the rest. This suggests a clear path for researchers who wish to use this approach in another animal. Nevertheless, we also agree with the reviewer’s caution that a totally different use case could require some re-thinking or re-strategizing. For example, the strategy of how to select good registration problems could depend on the form of the animal’s movement.
Reviewer #3 (Public review):
Context:
Tracking cell trajectories in deformable organs, such as the head neurons of freely moving C. elegans, is a challenging task due to rapid, non-rigid cellular motion. Similarly, identifying neuron types in the worm brain is difficult because of high inter-individual variability in cell positions.
Summary:
In this study, the authors developed a deep learning-based approach for cell tracking and identification in deformable neuronal images. Several different CNN models were trained to: (1) register image pairs without severe deformation, and then track cells across continuous image sequences using multiple registration results combined with clustering strategies; (2) predict neuron IDs from multicolor-labeled images; and (3) perform clustering across multiple multicolor images to automatically generate neuron IDs.
Strengths:
Directly using raw images for registration and identification simplifies the analysis pipeline, but it is also a challenging task since CNN architectures often struggle to capture spatial relationships between distant cells. Surprisingly, the authors report very high accuracy across all tasks. For example, the tracking of head neurons in freely moving worms reportedly reached 99.6% accuracy, neuron identification achieved 98%, and automatic classification achieved 93% compared to human annotations.
We thank the reviewer for noting these strengths of our study.
Weaknesses:
(1) The deep networks proposed in this study for registration and neuron identification require dataset-specific training, due to variations in imaging conditions across different laboratories. This, in turn, demands a large amount of manually or semi-manually annotated training data, including cell centroid correspondences and cell identity labels, which reduces the overall practicality and scalability of the method.
We performed dataset-specific training for image registration and neuron identification, and we would encourage new users to do the same based on our current state of knowledge. This highlights how standardization of whole-brain imaging data across labs is an important issue for our field to address and that, without it, variations in imaging conditions could impact software utility. We refer the reviewer to an excellent study by Sprague et al. (2025) on this topic, which is cited in our study.
However, at the same time, we wish to note that it was actually reasonably straightforward to take the BrainAlignNet approach that we initially developed in C. elegans and apply it to jellyfish. Some of the key lessons that we learned in C. elegans generalized: in both cases, it was critical to select the right registration problems to solve and to preprocess with Euler registration for good initialization. Provided that those problems were solved, BrainAlignNet could be applied to obtain high-quality registration and trace extraction. Thus, our study provides clear suggestions on how to use these tools across multiple contexts.
(2) The cell tracking accuracy was not rigorously validated, but rather estimated using a biased and coarse approach. Specifically, the accuracy was assessed based on the stability of GFP signals in the eat-4-labeled channel. A tracking error was assumed to occur when the GFP signal switched between eat-4-negative and eat-4-positive at a given time point. However, this estimation is imprecise and only captures a small subset of all potential errors. Although the authors introduced a correction factor to approximate the true error rate, the validity of this correction relies on the assumption that eat-4 neurons are uniformly distributed across the brain - a condition that is unlikely to hold.
We respectfully disagree with this critique. We considered the alternative suggested by the reviewer (in their private comments to the authors) of comparing against a manually annotated dataset. But this annotation would require manually linking ~150 neurons across ~1600 timepoints, which would require humans to manually link neurons across timepoints >200,000 times for a single dataset. These datasets consist of densely packed neurons rapidly deforming over time in all 3 dimensions. Moreover, a single error in linking would propagate across timepoints, so the error tolerance of such annotation would be extremely low. Any such manually labeled dataset would be fraught with errors and should not be trusted. Instead, our approach relies on a simple, accurate assumption: GFP expression in a neuron should be roughly constant over a 16min recording (after bleach correction) and the levels will be different in different neurons when it is sparsely expressed. Because all image alignment is done in the red channel, the pipeline never “peeks” at the GFP until it is finished with neuron alignment and tracking. The eat-4 promoter was chosen for GFP expression because (a) the nuclei labeled by it are scattered across the neuropil in a roughly salt-and-pepper fashion – a mixture of eat-4-positive and eat-4-negative neurons are found throughout the head; and (b) it is in roughly 40% of the neurons, giving very good overall coverage. Our view is that this approach of labeling subsets of neurons with GFP should become the standard in the field for assessing tracking accuracy – it has a simple, accurate premise; is not susceptible to human labeling error; is straightforward to implement; and, since it does not require manual labeling, is easy to scale to multiple datasets. We do note that it could be further strengthened by using multiple strains each with different ‘salt-and-pepper’ GFP expression patterns.
(3) Figure S1F demonstrates that the registration network, BrainAlignNet, alone is insufficient to accurately align arbitrary pairs of C. elegans head images. The high tracking accuracy reported is largely due to the use of a carefully designed registration sequence, matching only images with similar postures, and an effective clustering algorithm. Although the authors address this point in the Discussion section, the abstract may give the misleading impression that the network itself is solely responsible for the observed accuracy.
Our tracking accuracy requires (a) a careful selection of registration problems, (b) highly accurate registration of the selected registration problems, and (c) effective clustering. We extensively discussed the importance of the choosing of the registration problems in the Results section (lines 218-234 and 318-321), Discussion section (lines 704-708), and Methods section (955-970 and 1246-1250) of our paper. We also discussed the clustering aspect in the Results section (lines 247-259), Discussion section (lines 708-712), and Methods section (lines 1162-1206). In addition, our abstract states that the BrainAlignNet needs to be “incorporated into an image analysis pipeline,” to inform readers that other aspects of image analysis need to occur (beyond BrainAlignNet) to perform tracking.
(4) The reported accuracy for neuron identification and automatic classification may be misleading, as it was assessed only on a subset of neurons labeled as "high-confidence" by human annotators. Although the authors did not disclose the exact proportion, various descriptions (such as Figure 4f) imply that this subset comprises approximately 60% of all neurons. While excluding uncertain labels is justifiable, the authors highlight the high accuracy achieved on this subset without clearly clarifying that the reported performance pertains only to neurons that are relatively easy to identify. Furthermore, they do not report what fraction of the total neuron population can be accurately identified using their methods-an omission of critical importance for prospective users.
The reviewer raises two points here: (1) whether AutoCellLabeler accuracy is impacted by ease of human labeling; and (2) what fraction of total neurons are identified. We address them one at a time.
Regarding (1), we believe that the reviewer overlooked an important analysis in our study. Indeed, to assess its performance, one can only compare AutoCellLabeler’s output against accurate human labels – there is simply no way around it. However, we noted that AutoCellLabeler was identifying some neurons with high confidence even when humans had low confidence or had not even tried to label the neurons (Fig. 4F). To test whether these were in fact accurate labels, we asked additional human labelers to spend extra time trying to label a random subset of these neurons (they were of course blinded to the AutoCellLabeler label). We then assessed the accuracy of AutoCellLabeler against these new human labels and found that they were highly accurate (Fig. 4H). This suggests that AutoCellLabeler has strong performance even when some human labelers find it challenging to label a neuron. However, we agree that we have not yet been able to quantify AutoCellLabeler performance on the small set of neuron classes that humans are unable to identify across datasets.
Regarding (2), we agree that knowing how many neurons are labeled by AutoCellLabeler is critical. For example, labeling only 3 neurons per animal with 100% accuracy isn’t very helpful. We wish to emphasize that we did not omit this information: we reported the number of neurons labeled for every network that we characterized in the study, alongside the accuracy of those labels (please see Figures 4I, 5A, and 6G; Figure 4I also shows the number of human labels per dataset, which the reviewer requested). We also showed curves depicting the tradeoff between accuracy and number of neurons labeled, which fully captures how we balanced accuracy and number of neurons labeled (Figures 5D and S4A). It sounds like the reviewer also wanted to know the total number of recorded neurons. The typical number of recorded neurons per dataset can also be found in the paper in Fig. 2E.
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The same as my previous comment. During lecture you highlighted that in the table below the formula should be divided by 144 so we get our ba or Basal area in square feet.
Many norms differ dramatically from one culture to the next. Some of the best evidence for cultural variation in norms comes from the study of sexual behavior (Edgerton, 1976).Edgerton, R. (1976). Deviance: A cross-cultural perspective. Menlo Park, CA: Cummings. Among the Pokot of East Africa, for example, women are expected to enjoy sex, while among the Gusii a few hundred miles away, women who enjoy sex are considered deviant. In Inis Beag, a small island off the coast of Ireland, sex is considered embarrassing and even disgusting; men feel that intercourse drains their strength, while women consider it a burden. Even nudity is considered terrible, and people on Inis Beag keep their clothes on while they bathe. The situation is quite different in Mangaia, a small island in the South Pacific. Here sex is considered very enjoyable, and it is the major subject of songs and stories.
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‘Comprá, campeón”, subraya, en referencia a la frase con la que intentó semanas atrás alejar los rumores de que se avecinaba una devaluación del peso.
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Entre los hitos más recordados de su gestión macrista está el bono a 100 años que colocó por 2.700 millones de dólares, pero también sus maniobras a partir de 2018, cuando los fondos frescos comenzaron a escasear. Ese mayo logró vender 3.000 millones de dólares en bonos del Tesoro en pesos a los fondos Templeton y BlackRock con el objetivo de mostrar que el Gobierno todavía tenía acceso a los mercados. Le propuso entonces a Macri pedir un rescate al Fondo Monetario Internacional que resulto el más grande en la historia de la institución (57.000 millones de dólares).
key element
“antiquario atto al suo servizio”, incarico per il quale Pirro Ligorio si era dimostrato disponibile non appena “avesse espedito alcune sue facende” a Roma. Del novembre 1568 è una lettera scritta dal cardinale Farnese a Roma ad Alfonso, quando oramai la decisione del trasferimento era presa e suscitava nei circoli culturali un certo fermento, manifestando “il dispiacere et incomodo a tutti coloro che si dilettano dell’antichità di Roma”. Al cardinale non rimane che esprimere l’auspicio “di restituirlo a Roma dove lascia tanti amici, et benevoli suoi, et della sua virtù, che haveva ben ragione di tornar volentieri a rivederli quando che sia”, ASM
le citazioni nelle note vanno fra virgolette basse o alte?
Pirro la vide
fu vista da Pirro
Bacco
sostituire con "la divinità"
si
"in cui ci sembra possibile affermare si ricompongano figure selezionate da un modello compositivo di Raffaello"
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forse sposterei il riferimento dopo la data, e prima della virgola appena successiva
salário
Tema 142/TST: - A multa prevista no art. 477, § 8º, da CLT incide sobre todas as parcelas de natureza salarial, não se limitando ao salário-base.
isenção
Concessão de vantagens fiscais no último ano da legislatura no âmbito distrital
Resumo - É inconstitucional — por invadir a competência legislativa da União para dispor sobre normas gerais e por violar a separação dos Poderes e a autonomia do DF — dispositivo da Lei Orgânica do Distrito Federal (LODF) que proíbe a concessão, no último ano de cada legislatura, de isenções, anistias, remissões, benefícios e incentivos fiscais, envolvendo matéria tributária e previdenciária.
No âmbito constitucional, destacam-se as seguintes diretrizes para a renúncia de receitas: (i) exigência de lei complementar nacional para regular as limitações constitucionais ao poder de tributar (CF/1988, art. 146, III) e para dispor sobre finanças públicas (CF/1988, art. 163, I); e (ii) competência legislativa concorrente sobre direito tributário e financeiro (CF/1988, art. 24, I), cabendo ao ente nacional a edição de normas gerais e aos demais a competência suplementar (CF/1988, art. 24, §§ 1º e 2º). Na espécie, a norma distrital tratou sobre as normas gerais validamente editadas pela União mesmo sem existir qualquer hipótese autorizativa do exercício da competência legislativa plena ou suplementar.
Ainda que a pretexto de concretizar o princípio da moralidade ou de preservar a regularidade das eleições, a imposição de restrições à legítima competência tributária, em extrapolação aos parâmetros constitucionais, configura medida desarrazoada, pois situações concretas de desvirtuamento podem e devem ser corrigidas casuisticamente.
No tocante às questões previdenciárias, também se observa violação à independência do governador. Os entes subnacionais podem dispor apenas sobre o sistema de previdência de seus servidores e a iniciativa de lei é reservada ao chefe do Poder Executivo (CF/1988, art. 61, § 1º, II, a e c).
Ademais, a inconstitucionalidade persiste na redação posterior do dispositivo em análise, pois a mudança no texto visou apenas permitir, no último exercício da legislatura, a concessão de benefícios fiscais relativos ao ICMS quando deliberados de determinada forma.
Com base nesses e em outros entendimentos, o Plenário, por unanimidade, conheceu parcialmente da ação e, nessa extensão, a julgou procedente para declarar a inconstitucionalidade do inciso II do art. 131 da LODF/1993, tanto em sua redação original quanto na redação que foi conferida pela Emenda à Lei Orgânica nº 38/2002 (1).
(1) LODF/1993: “Art. 131. As isenções, anistias, remissões, benefícios e incentivos fiscais que envolvam matéria tributária e previdenciária, inclusive as que sejam objeto de convênios celebrados entre o Distrito Federal e a União, Estados e Municípios, observarão o seguinte: (...) II - não serão concedidos no último exercício de cada legislatura, salvo no caso de calamidade pública, nos termos da lei; II – não serão concedidos no último exercício de cada legislatura, salvo os benefícios fiscais relativos ao imposto sobre operações relativas à circulação de mercadorias e sobre prestações de serviços de transporte interestadual e intermunicipal e de comunicação, deliberados na forma do inciso VII do § 5º do art. 135, e no caso de calamidade pública, nos termos da lei. (Inciso alterado(a) pelo(a) EMENDA À LEI ORGÂNICA nº 38, de 2002)”
Legislação: CF/1988: art. 24, I; art. 24, § 1º e § 2º; art. 61, § 1º, II, a e c; art. 146, III; e art. 163, I. LODF/1993: art. 131, II. Emenda à Lei Orgânica nº 38/2002.
CodePen P3C5a
Il est demandé de "réduire la fenêtre" mais personnellement, je n'ai pas compris. Du coup, j'ai coupé la balise img avec la propriété display et l'ai collée en dehors du "@media" et ça a fonctionné.
Reviewer #1 (Public review):
Summary:
This very thorough anatomical study addresses the innervation of the Drosophila male reproductive tract. Two distinct glutamatergic neuron types were classified: serotonergic (SGNs) and octopaminergic (OGNs). By expansion microscopy, it was established that glutamate and serotonin /octopamine are co-released. The expression of different receptors for 5-HT and OA in muscles and epithelial cells of the innervation target organs was characterized. The pattern of neurotransmitter receptor expression in the target organs suggests that seminal fluid and sperm transport and emission are subjected to complex regulation. While silencing of abdominal SGNs leads to male infertility and prevents sperm from entering the ejaculatory duct, silencing of OGNs does not render males infertile.
Strengths:
The studied neurons were analysed with different transgenes and methods, as well as antibodies against neurotransmitter synthesis enzymes, building a consistent picture of their neurotransmitter identity. The careful anatomical description of innervation patterns together with receptor expression patterns of the target organs provides a solid basis for advancing the understanding of how seminal fluid and sperm transport and emission are subjected to complex regulation. The functional data showing that SGNs are required for male fertility and for the release of sperm from the seminal vesicle into the ejaculatory duct is convincing.
Weaknesses:
The functional analysis of the characterized neurons is not as comprehensive as the anatomical description, and phenotypic characterization was limited to simple fertility assays. It is understandable that a full functional dissection is beyond the scope of the present work. The paper contains experiments showing neuron-independent peristaltic waves in the reproductive tract muscles, which are thematically not very well integrated into the paper. Although very interesting, one wonders if these experiments would not fit better into a future work that also explores these peristaltic waves and their interrelation with neuromodulation mechanistically.
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Reviewer #2 (Public review):
Summary:<br /> This article reports a cost-effectiveness comparison of intramural and extramural that NIH funded between 2009 and 2019. Using data obtained from NIH RePORTER, they linked total project costs to publication output, using robust validated metrics including Relative Citation Ratio (RCR), Approximate Potential to Translate (APT), and clinical citations. They find that after adjusting for confounders in regression and propensity-score analyses, extramural projects were generally more cost-effective, though intramural projects were more cost effective for generating clinical citations. They also describe differences in the topics of intramural- and extramural-funded publications, with intramural projects more likely to generate papers on viral infections and immunity or cancer metastases and survival, but less likely to generate papers on pregnancy and maternal health, brain connectivity and tasks, and adolescent experiences and depression. The authors aptly describe the different natures of the intramural and extramural funding models, including that extramural researchers spend much time writing grant applications and that the work described in extramural publications often receives funding from sources other than NIH grants.
Strengths:<br /> The authors leveraged publicly available data (including RePORTER and the iCite repository) and used robust validated metrics (RCR, APT, clinical citations). They carefully considered a large number of confounders, including those related to the PI, and performed several well-described regression analyses.
Weaknesses:<br /> Figure 3A shows intramural projects producing about 2.75 papers per year in 2009, whereas extramural projects are producing just over 1 paper per year. Extramural projects appear to catch up over the next five years. While the authors attempt to explain the difference in their figure legend, another explanation is that the intramural projects started well before 2009 but, as the authors state, intramural data only became available in 2009.
As the authors note, funding information is often complex and difficult to characterize for an analysis like this. How did the authors handle: i) publications linked to multiple extramural grants; ii) publications linked to intramural and extramural grants; iii) publications linked NIH grants and non-NIH grants?<br /> I would think it necessary to somehow apportion credit, as otherwise it would appear that extramural projects are more productive than they truly are.
Also, it is not clear if the authors took account of the indirect costs paid by the NIH to universities that have received extramural grants.
Kedua, memiliki dan menjaga kebugaran tubuh akan berdampak positif terhadappola pikir seseorang. Orang yang bugar cenderung mudah berpikir, lebih jernih dalamberpikir, dan lebih tenang dibandingkan dengan orang yang kebugaran tubuhnyaterganggu. Hal ini disebabkan oleh citra diri orang yang bugar lebih positifdibandingkan dengan orang yang tidak bugar. Citra diri positif inilah yang membuatseseorang lebih percaya diri serta mampu mengolah pemikirannya secara sehat
Saya sangat setuju dengan pernyataan tersebut. Karena kebugaran tubuh sangat berdampak pada pola pikir seseorang. Jika tubuh kita tidak bugar, maka energi negatif lh yang akan terpancar dari diri seseorang. Misalnya jangan begadang berlebihan ya, nanti kebugaran tubuhnya terganggu.
Ungkapan tersebut juga menjadi motto klub atletik dan sepak bolatop Inggris, Juventus pada tahun 1861
Bukankah Juventus itu klub yang berasal dari Italia?
Memiliki kebugaran tubuh merupakan idaman setiap orang. Maka, tidakmengherankan jika aneka produk suplemen, makanan, minuman, maupun peralatandiberi embel-embel “demi memiliki, menjaga, atau memelihara kebugaran tubuh”.Bugar, bukan hanya sehat, tetapi sehat dan bersemangat. Lantas, apa sebenarnyamanfaat memiliki dan menjaga kebugaran tubuh tersebut?
ya, benar sekali bahwa bugar itu bukan hanya sehat, tetapi juga harus sehat dan juga bersemangat.
Paris est a 40min de train de reims ou 1h30 en voiture. La belgique est a 1h30 et troyes aussi.
I would probably want the second listing because it seems a little more spacious and it looks like it is closer to Paris.
solidariedade
Em relação à solidariedade, não confundir as situações: - Para fins de indisponibilidade de bens = possível a solidariedade, limitado ao valor total do dano e sem necessidade de estabelecimento de quota-parte. - Atuação conjunta de agentes = possível a solidariedade na reparação do dano, uma vez verificada unidade de vontades na consumação do dano - Atuação individualizada = vedada a solidariedade, devendo cada agente responder pelo dano causado
§ 5º
REsp 1.955.957-MG, Rel. Ministro Herman Benjamin, Primeira Seção, por unanimidade, julgado em 22/5/2024 (Tema 1213).
REsp 1.955.300-DF, Rel. Ministro Herman Benjamin, Primeira Seção, por unanimidade, julgado em 22/5/2024 (Tema 1213).
REsp 1.955.440-DF, Rel. Ministro Herman Benjamin, Primeira Seção, por unanimidade, julgado em 22/5/2024 (Tema 1213).
Ramo do Direito DIREITO ADMINISTRATIVO, DIREITO PROCESSUAL CIVIL
TemaPaz, Justiça e Instituições Eficazes <br /> Improbidade administrativa. Indisponibilidade de bens. Solidariedade entre os corréus. Art. 16, § 5º, da lei 8.429/1992 (com redação dada pelo Lei 4.230/2021). Ausência de divisão pro rata. Tema 1213.
DESTAQUE - Para fins de <u>indisponibilidade de bens</u>, há solidariedade entre os corréus da Ação de Improbidade Administrativa, de modo que a constrição deve recair sobre os bens de todos eles, sem divisão em quota-parte, limitando-se o somatório da medida ao quantum determinado pelo juiz, sendo defeso que o bloqueio corresponda ao débito total em relação a cada um.
INFORMAÇÕES DO INTEIRO TEOR - Cinge-se a controvérsia em saber se, para fins de indisponibilidade de bens (art. 16 da Lei n. 8.429/1992, na redação pela Lei n. 14.230/2021), a responsabilidade de agentes ímprobos é solidária e permite a constrição patrimonial em sua totalidade, sem necessidade de divisão pro rata, ao menos até a instrução final da Ação de Improbidade, quando ocorrerá a delimitação da quota de cada agente pelo ressarcimento.
Sobre a matéria, as Primeira e Segunda Turmas do STJ possuem entendimento pacífico de "haver solidariedade entre os corréus da ação [de improbidade administrativa] até a instrução final do processo, sendo assim, o valor a ser indisponibilizado para assegurar o ressarcimento ao erário deve ser garantido por qualquer um deles, limitando-se a medida constritiva ao quantum determinado pelo juiz, sendo defeso que o bloqueio corresponda ao débito total em relação a cada um." (AgInt no REsp n. 1.827.103/RJ,Rel. Ministro Og Fernandes, Segunda Turma, DJe 29.5.2020.). Nesse mesmo sentido: REsp n. 1.919.700/BA, Rel. Ministra; Assusete Magalhães, Segunda Turma, DJe 16.11.2021; AgInt no REsp n. 1.899.388/MG, Rel. Ministra Regina Helena Costa, Primeira Turma, DJe 10.3.2021; AREsp n. 1.393.562/RJ, Rel. Ministro Francisco Falcão, Segunda Turma, DJe 7.10.2019; AgInt no REsp n. 1.910.713/DF, Rel. Ministro Benedito Gonçalves, Primeira Turma, DJe de 16.6.2021; AgInt no REsp n. 1.687.567/PR, Rel. Ministro Mauro Campbell Marques, Segunda Turma, DJe 2.3.2018; e REsp n. 1.610.169/BA, Rel. Ministro Herman Benjamin, Segunda Turma, DJe 12.5.2017.
O art. 16, § 5º, da Lei n. 8.429/1992, com redação dada pela Lei n. 14.230/2021, assim dispõe ao regulamentar a matéria: "Art. 16. Na ação por improbidade administrativa poderá ser formulado, em caráter antecedente ou incidente, pedido de indisponibilidade de bens dos réus, a fim de garantir a integral recomposição do erário ou do acréscimo patrimonial resultante de enriquecimento ilícito. (...) § 5º Se houver mais de um réu na ação, a somatória dos valores declarados indisponíveis não poderá superar o montante indicado na petição inicial como dano ao erário ou como enriquecimento ilícito".
Observa-se que a lei não prescreve que a limitação da indisponibilidade deva ocorrer de forma individual para cada réu, mas, sim, de forma coletiva, considerando o somatório dos valores. Esse ponto é fundamental para se constatar que a Lei de Improbidade Administrativa, com as alterações da Lei n. 14.320/2021, autorizou a constrição em valores desiguais entre os réus, desde que o somatório não ultrapasse o montante indicado na petição inicial como dano ao Erário ou como enriquecimento ilícito, na mesma linha do que já vinha entendendo esta Corte Superior. A propósito: "(...) III. O acórdão recorrido está em conformidade com a jurisprudência do Superior Tribunal de Justiça, que possui precedentes no sentido de que, 'havendo solidariedade entre os corréus da ação até a instrução final do processo, o valor a ser indisponibilizado para assegurar o ressarcimento ao erário deve ser garantido por qualquer um deles, limitando-se a medida constritiva ao quantum determinado pelo juiz, sendo defeso que o bloqueio corresponda ao débito total em relação a cada um' (STJ, AgInt no REsp 1.899.388/MG, Rel. Ministra REGINA HELENA COSTA, PRIMEIRA TURMA, DJe de 10/03/2021)." (REsp n. 1.919.700/BA, Rel. Ministra Assusete Magalhães, Segunda Turma, DJe de 16.11.2021).
Nesse sentido, efetivado o bloqueio de bens que garantam o quantum indicado na inicial ou outro estabelecido pelo juiz, devem ser liberados os valores bloqueados que sobejarem tal quantum. A restrição legal diz respeito apenas a que o somatório não ultrapasse o montante indicado na petição inicial ou outro valor definido pelo juiz.
Não há, portanto, no § 5º do art. 16 da Lei n. 8.429/1992 determinação para que a indisponibilidade de bens ocorra de forma equitativa entre os réus e na proporção igual (e limitada) de cada quota-parte, sendo adequado se manter, mesmo no regime da Lei n. 14.230/2021, a jurisprudência consolidada no STJ no sentido da solidariedade.
O citado artigo, ora em discussão, cuida do provimento cautelar de indisponibilidade de bens, cujo escopo é garantir a integral recomposição do erário ou do acréscimo patrimonial resultante de enriquecimento ilícito. Tratando-se de decisão interlocutória proferida no âmbito da cognição sumária, razoável que se reconheça a possibilidade de, provisoriamente, haver responsabilização solidária, ao menos até o pronunciamento final, porque, neste estágio do processo, ainda não é possível, ordinariamente, determinar a responsabilidade de cada um dos litisconsorte pelo dano, sendo razoável que se mantenha a garantia, indiscriminadamente, sobre os bens de quaisquer dos acusados, limitado ao total reclamado.
Dessa forma, considerando a nova redação do § 5º do art. 16 da Lei 8.429/1992, afirma-se a seguinte tese jurídica: "para fins de indisponibilidade de bens, há solidariedade entre os corréus da Ação de Improbidade Administrativa, de modo que a constrição deve recair sobre os bens de todos eles, sem divisão em quota-parte, limitando-se o somatório da medida ao quantum determinado pelo juiz, sendo defeso que o bloqueio corresponda ao débito total em relação a cada um."
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Vale per la guerra
It applies to the war.
In tempi in cui la politica sembra ridotta a pura performance comunicativa, torna l’elemento materiale, l’azione concreta che può modificare la realtà e non solo la sua rappresentazione.
questa è incredibile. La differenza fra un'azione concreta e solo un'idea (o concetto) è fondamentale.
Una marea che ha straripato ogni possibile argine, con una forte presenza giovanile.
A tide that overflowed every possible bank, with a strong youth presence.
«Agriculture & Biodiversité» « Aide à la stratégie juridique de protection de la nature, soutien des bénévoles »
les liens ne fonctionnent pas
l’École Saint Joseph
mentionner la commune
Escape game
c'est pas un escape game, c'est des ateliers de 30 minutes sur les adaptations de la faune et de la flore à leur environnement
14/10
pas la bonne date -> 18/10
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We thank the reviewers for providing thoughtful and constructive feedback, which will help us improve the clarity and rigor of the paper. On balance, the reviews were positive. Reviewer 1 mentioned that “This is a strong manuscript with few problems and all important findings well justified, indeed this is a nicely polished…..high-quality manuscript,” and that “this paper makes a major breakthrough, showing that cell autonomous defects in hTSCs are very likely at the heart of the pathology observed in GIN-prone murine mutants.” Reviewer 3 stated that “The study is well designed, and the manuscript is very well written. The conclusions are supported by the evidence presented.” Reviewer 2 was less enthusiastic, with main concerns being that “The paper is mostly descriptive and often quite confusing leaving one not much closer to understanding the mechanistic basis for the interesting sex-biased semi-lethal phenotype.” and felt that figure titles/section headers overstated the results, and finally recommended to improve some technical aspects and tempering conclusions. The proposed edits we think address most issues raised by the reviewers either with re-writing or adding data as described below.
In response to reviewer #1 comments:
Major comments:
- I am confused as to the basis of the sex-skewing phenomenon? Is the problem that lack of maternally loaded WT Mcm4 worsens the phenotype, or is the issue that Mcm4C3/C3 dams are less able to retain pregnancies, perhaps being a more inflammatory environment? Also, while there quite consistent evidence for reduced viability of Mcm4C3/C3McmGt/+ progeny, especially for female progeny, how confident can we be that the genotype of the dam vs. sire is important? Notably on a Ddx58 background, the progeny of the Mcm4C3/C3 sire included seven live male Mcm4C3/C3McmGt/+ but no female.
Regarding the first point (sex skewing only when female is C3/C3), we also suspected either: 1) the maternal uterine environment, or 2) reduced oocyte quality. Although not reported in this manuscript, we tested #1 by performing embryo transfer experiments. Transferring 2-cell stage embryos from sex-skewing mating to WT females did not rescue the sex-bias. We then examined oocytes from C3/C3 females. We found evidence for compromised mitochondria and transcriptome disruption. However, we are not sure why this happens (poor follicle support? Oocyte intrinsic phenomenon?). We are reserving these results and additional experiments for another paper, especially since this one mainly deals with GIN and placenta development. If the reviewers feel strongly that the embryo transfer data is crucial, we can include it.
Regarding how confident we are that the genotype of the dam vs. sire is important, this stems from our previous paper by McNairn et al 2019 (the percentage of female C3/C3 M2/+ from sex-skewing mating is 20% compared to 60% from the reciprocal mating), which was quite dramatic. Consistent with this, MCM levels were significantly reduced in the placentae only when the dam was C3/C3 and the sire C3/+ M2/+, but not in the reciprocal cross. The reviewer makes a good observation about the Ddx58 cross; we can only hypothesize that the mutation somehow sensitizes females in this scenario and will make mention of it in the revision. We also realize that we neglected to write in Methods that the Ddx58 allele was coisogenic in the C3H background.
We hypothesized that the JZ defect observed in the semi-lethal genotype placentas could arise either from impaired maintenance of the progenitor pool or from reduced capacity of mutant trophoblast progenitors to differentiate into the JZ lineage. The blot in Supplementary Figure 6 was intended as a qualitative demonstration that mutant trophoblast stem cells can differentiate into JZ lineages. We recognize that the figure is not definitive and will revise the text to clarify its purpose. A replicate(s) of the Western will be performed as suggested.
- Supplementary Figure 7F-G is puzzling. Half of the mESCs have gamma-H2AX at all times, including most in S or G2 phase? In Figure S7E, do the quadrants correspond to being negative or positive for gamma-H2AX? At very least, IF images showing clear gamma-H2AX foci would be much more convincing.
The gates for γH2AX FACS analysis were established using negative controls lacking primary antibody. As reported previously, embryonic stem cells display high basal levels of γH2AX staining (Chuykin et al., Cell Cycle 2008; Turinetto et al., Stem Cells 2012; Ahuja et al., Nat Comm 2016), which likely explains the broad signal observed across cell cycle phases. Regardless, we will provide immunofluorescence staining of γH2Ax and foci count in our revision.
- The methods section is well detailed, but it would be ideal to clarify how many replicates each Western Blot or flow cytometry experiment is representative of.
Thanks for the suggestion. We will update this for Fig4 and Fig5.
Minor comments:
- Is it possible that cGAS-STING and RIG pathways act redundantly to cause inflammation and lethality, or that other innate immune components are involved? I don't expect the authors to make compound mutants to test this but at least this possibility should be discussed textually.
We appreciate the reviewer’s point, and had the same suspicion. Supporting this, we will add new RNA-seq analysis of Tmem173 KO placentas revealed elevated inflammatory gene expression compared to C3/C3 M2/+ controls, consistent with potential redundancy or feedback regulation. We will update in supplementary figures to reflect this.
In response to reviewer #2 comments:
Major comments:
A major concern throughout the paper is that conclusions are often overstating their data. The title of figure 2 is "placentae with replication stress have smaller junctional and labyrinth zones". However, there is no measure of replication stress in this figure, just a histological evaluation of the placentae from the different mutants. The title of figure 3 is "Impact of GIN on LZ is less than JZ," but there is no measure of GIN, but instead measurement of number of cells in cell cycle and some bulk RNA-seq analysis. Title of figure 4 is "TSCs with increased genomic instability exhibit abnormal phenotypes." Again there is no measure of GIN, but instead staining of derived TSCs for proliferation, cell death, and a TSC marker. Title of figure 5 is "DNA damage responses and G2/M checkpoint activation drive premature TSC differentiation." However, there does not appear to be a difference in gH2AX between the two mutant genotypes. Checkpoint proteins might be up, but need quantification and reproduction. > 4C is the only marker of differentiation. Importantly, all the analyses here are associations, not connections, so cannot use the word "drive". Similar issues can be raised with a number of the supplementary figures.
The Chaos3 (chromosome aberrations occurring spontaneously 3) model is a well-established system of intrinsic chronic replication stress and GIN. It is characterized by ~20 fold elevation of blood micronuclei (Shima et al., Nature 2007), a hallmark of GIN (Soxena et al., Mol Cell 2022); a destabilized MCM2-7 helicase prone to replication fork collapse (Bai et al., PLoS Genet 2016); and increased mitotic chromosome abnormalities and decreased dormant origins (Kawabata et al., Mol Cell 2011; Chuang et al., Nucleic Acid Res 2012) that are known to cause GIN and replication stress (Ibarra et al., PNAS 2008 ). Also, in our previous work (McNairn et al Nature 2019), we showed that placentae from C3/C3 dams exhibit significantly elevated γH2Ax as well as reduced MCM2 and MCM4 protein levels. In our current study, we also observe elevated γH2Ax in mutant TSCs (C3/C3 and C3/C3 M2/+), consistent with genomic instability. Nevertheless, we acknowledge that in TSCs, we did not formally demonstrate replications stress(RS), so where appropriate, we will advise figure titles, for example to say that “cells/placentae with a GIN or RS genotype.”
We acknowledge the reviewers concern regarding western blots. We will provide quantification and statistics in our revision.
1) A deeper analysis of the cell lines is likely to be the most fruitful path to reveal interesting mechanisms. It is very surprising that there is no phenotype in ESCs. Authors should check for increased apoptosis. Maybe the phenotypic cells are lost. Or do ESCs use different MCMs/mechanisms of DNA replication or are they better able to handle replication stress and GIN? How many passages were the TSCs and ESCs cultured for? Does GIN (i.e. aneuploidy, CNVs) develop in TSCs and ESCs with passaging? How do the MCM mutations impact the molecular identity of the ESC and TSC cells including their heterogeneity in the population.
We assessed apoptosis using cleaved caspase 3 flow cytometry in mutant ESCs and observed no difference compared to controls (we will add this data as Supplementary Fig. 7).
We believe there are intrinsic differences in TSCs and ESCs in their ability to respond to and counteract replication stress and DNA damage. ESCs are known to license more replication origins than somatic cells at a higher rate, which protects them from short G1-induced replication stress (Ahuja et al., Nat Comm 2016; Ge et al., Stem Cell Rep 2015; Matson et al., eLife 2017). Human placental cells physiologically exhibit high levels of mutation rate and chromosomal instability in vivo (Coorens et al., Nature 2021). Supporting this, Wang, D., et al (Nat Comm 2025) reported that several cell cycle and DDR regulators are differentially expressed in human TSCs vs human pluripotent stem cells. Whether such transcriptional differences directly contribute to functional outcomes remains to be determined.
All experiments in this study were conducted using early-passage ESCs and TSCs (i.e. Finally, we showed that close to 90% mutant ESCs are KLF4+ (a naive pluripotency marker) whereas EOMES+ cells were significantly reduced in TSCs carrying the GIN genotype (Fig. 4E–F and Supplementary Fig. 7), highlighting lineage-specific differences.
Minor Comments:
1) There is a lack of quantification and repeats for all Westerns. At minimum there should be three repeats for each experiment, quantification including normalization to a reference protein, and stats confirming any proposed differences between conditions.
We will update our revision with quantification and statistics for western blots.
2) I would recommend moving the results in supp table 1 to figure 1. While negative, they are the newer results. The results shown in current figure 1 are essentially a reproduction of their previous work.
The placental observations presented in Fig.1 are new. In particular, the placental and embryonic weight measurements graphed in Fig1B and C have not been published by our group. Fig1A reproduces our previous observation on embryo viability in GIN mutants (McNairn et al., Nature 2019), while the schematic was provided for better flow and readability given the complex mating schemes. We are agnostic on the Suppl Table 1. It could be changed to a new Table 1 in the main section depending on the journal.
In response to reviewer #3 comments:
Major Comments
While the inclusion of bulk RNAseq data of whole placental tissue is appreciated, the interpretation of the results is somewhat problematic, as it is acknowledged that the cell type composition of the placentas is drastically different between groups. Making conclusions based upon GSEA analysis of two different groups with drastically different cell type composition is somewhat misleading, as based on the results, it is a direct reflection of the cell types present. It would be more helpful to perform cell type deconvolution of the RNAseq data to estimate the proportion of each cell type within the bulk samples and compare that to what is seen histologically and not dive too deeply into the pathways since the results could just be a reflection of the cell types e.g. angiogenesis pathways from more endothelial cells. Additionally, the RNAseq data can be leveraged to look at expression of inflammatory genes by sex, which may show interesting patterns based on the other results.
We agree that the representation of cell types in the placenta is problematic especially for underrepresented genes. We propose to use the BayesPrism tool (Chu et al., Nat Cancer 2022) to deconvolute bulk RNA-seq for better representation of transcriptional changes in the placenta.
Section: GIN impairs trophoblast stem cell establishment and maintenance. To support the assertion in the first paragraph, beyond measuring apoptosis, it would be helpful at this stage to look at RNA expression levels indicative of the activation of DNA damage checkpoint genes
We have performed RNA-seq on mutant ESC and TSCs and are in the process of data analysis. We will update these results in the revision.
Please include additional methodological details in the methods section on the statistical analysis done for differential expression analysis. Specifically, what type of normalization was used, if lowly expressed genes were filtered out and at what cutoff, what statistical model was used (did you include covariates?), what comparisons were made? Did you stratify by sex? What cutoff was used for statistical significance? Did you perform multiple testing correction?
We will update RNA-Seq data analysis methods in our full revision.
Reviewer #1 comments:
- Supplementary Table 1. would be enhanced greatly showing comparable tables for Mcm4C3/C3 x Mcm4C3/+McmGt/+ in mice without the Tmem173 or Ddx58 mutations. It is fine to recycle data from McNairn 2019 here, as long as the source is indicated, but a comparison is needed.
Thanks for pointing this out. We have updated this suggestion in Supp table 1.
- In Figure S3E-F, is the box above each graph supposed to show the genotype of the dam?
Yes. Thanks for pointing this out. We have added a description in the figure legend to make it clear.
- "Indeed, the placenta and embryo weights of E13.5 Mcm4C3/C3 Mcm2Gt/+ Mcm3Gt/+ animals were significantly improved vs. Mcm4C3/C3 Mcm2Gt/+ animals, rendering them similar to Mcm4C3/C3 littermates (Fig. 6A-C). The JZ (but not LZ) area in Mcm4C3/C3 Mcm2Gt/+ Mcm3Gt/+ placentae also increased to the level of Mcm4C3/C3 littermates (Fig. 6D-H)." There are two problems here. First, the figure calls are wrong. Second, the description of the data is not quite right, it looks like the C3/C3 and C3/C3 M2/+ M3/+ LZs are a similar size to each and are statistically indistinguishable.
Thanks for catching this. We have updated these in the main text.
*Reviewer #2 comments: *
Minor comment
- Need to review citations to figures. For example, no citations are made to figure 4a and 4c.
Thanks for catching this. We have updated the text.
Reviewer #3 comments:
Define the first use of >4C DNA content to help readers understand this potentially unfamiliar term.
We have edited this part to indicate cells with more than 4C DNA content for better clarity.
iDEP tool - please include citation to manuscript instead of link
We have updated this citation.
Check citations. Some citations to BioRxiv that are now published e.g. 13.
We have updated this citation.
Reviewer 2
2) Along similar lines, most of the in vivo phenotypic analyses are performed at E13.5, long after defects are likely beginning to express themselves especially given that they see phenotypes in the TSCs, which represent the polar TE of a E4.5. To understand the primary defects of the in vivo phenotype, they should be looking much earlier. Supplemental figure 5 is a start but represents a rather superficial analysis.
The peri-implantation period, namely E4.5, represents a “black box” of embryonic development given that this is a critical stage for implantation. Aside from being an extremely difficult stage to analyze technically, we don’t think it is essential to the conclusions (or doable in a timely manner), especially given the use of TSCs. If we complete EdU studies on E6.5 embryos, we will include them.
3) Fig. 6 would benefit from evidence that MCM3 mutant is rescuing MCM4 levels in the chromatin fraction of cells and the DNA damage phenotype.
The genetic evidence presented is strong, and although we didn’t do the suggested experiment, we feel that our previous studies (McNairn et al., Nature 2019 and Chuang et al., PLoS Genet 2010) on the effects of MCM3 as a nuclear export factor (as it is in yeast (Liku et al., Mol Biol Cell 2005)) are a reasonable basis for not repeating such experiments. Furthermore, we are no longer maintaining the Mcm3 line and it would take over a year to reconstitute and rebreed triple mutants.
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The manuscript, "Chronic replication stress-mediated genomic instability disrupts placenta development in mice" by Munisha et al follows up a 2019 paper in Nature by the same group where they show that mutations to the MCM genes lead to a sex-skewed semi-lethal phenotype starting after embryonic day 9.5 and extending to birth. In the paper, they hypothesized that the semi-lethality is secondary to genomic instability (GIN) driven inflammation due to activation of the innate immune pathways sensing cytoplasmic DNA. In this paper, they start by disproving that hypothesis and then go on to present data arguing lethality is due to a placental development defect rather than inflammation. The paper is mostly descriptive and often quite confusing leaving one not much closer to understanding the mechanistic basis for the interesting sex-biased semi-lethal phenotype that was described in their original paper. The most interesting aspect of the paper is the derivation of TSC and ESCs and initial analysis suggesting that the TSCs are more sensitive to the MCM mutations, but the analysis is rather shallow. Importantly it is unclear how the phenotype explains the sex-skewing of the phenotype. Are the TSC phenotypes sex-skewed and if so why? Also, why is the JZ and especially GlyTCs most effected?
A major concern throughout the paper is that conclusions are often overstating their data. The title of figure 2 is "placentae with replication stress have smaller junctional and labyrinth zones". However, there is no measure of replication stress in this figure, just a histological evaluation of the placentae from the different mutants. The title of figure 3 is "Impact of GIN on LZ is less than JZ," but there is no measure of GIN, but instead measurement of number of cells in cell cycle and some bulk RNA-seq analysis. Title of figure 4 is "TSCs with increased genomic instability exhibit abnormal phenotypes." Again there is no measure of GIN, but instead staining of derived TSCs for proliferation, cell death, and a TSC marker. Title of figure 5 is "DNA damage responses and G2/M checkpoint activation drive premature TSC differentiation." However, there does not appear to be a difference in gH2AX between the two mutant genotypes. Checkpoint proteins might be up, but need quantification and reproduction. > 4C is the only marker of differentiation. Importantly, all the analyses here are associations, not connections, so cannot use the word "drive". Similar issues can be raised with a number of the supplementary figures.
Major Comments:
1) A deeper analysis of the cell lines is likely to be the most fruitful path to reveal interesting mechanisms. It is very surprising that there is no phenotype in ESCs. Authors should check for increased apoptosis. Maybe the phenotypic cells are lost. Or do ESCs use different MCMs/mechanisms of DNA replication or are they better able to handle replication stress and GIN? How many passages were the TSCs and ESCs cultured for? Does GIN (i.e. aneuploidy, CNVs) develop in TSCs and ESCs with passaging? How do the MCM mutations impact the molecular identity of the ESC and TSC cells including their heterogeneity in the population.
2) Along similar lines, most of the in vivo phenotypic analyses are performed at E13.5, long after defects are likely beginning to express themselves especially given that they see phenotypes in the TSCs, which represent the polar TE of a E4.5. To understand the primary defects of the in vivo phenotype, they should be looking much earlier. Supplemental figure 5 is a start but represents a rather superficial analysis.
3) Fig. 6 would benefit from evidence that MCM3 mutant is rescuing MCM4 levels in the chromatin fraction of cells and the DNA damage phenotype.
Minor Comments:
1) There is a lack of quantification and repeats for all Westerns. At minimum there should be three repeats for each experiment, quantification including normalization to a reference protein, and stats confirming any proposed differences between conditions.
2) I would recommend moving the results in supp table 1 to figure 1. While negative, they are the newer results. The results shown in current figure 1 are essentially a reproduction of their previous work.
3) Need to review citations to figures. For example, no citations are made to figure 4a and 4c.
As is, the study does not provide much new insight or understanding of how the MCM mutants are driving the sex-skewed semi-lethal phenotype. It would likely take much effort (months) to reach such a goal. However, without such effort, it is unclear what the significance of the story is. It does make the observation that the placenta appears to be impacted more severely and earlier than then the embryo, and that within the placenta, certain zones and cell types are more vulnerable. The reasons for these differential impacts are unclear though.
If the authors choose not to dig deeper as suggested in the major comments, then at a minimum it would be important to soften their conclusions as raised in the summary and at least perform experiments/edits proposed in minor comments.
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Summary:
In a previous paper (McNairn et al. 2019 "Female-biased embryonic death from inflammation induced by genomic instability" Science), the Schimenti lab demonstrated that mouse embryos with hypomorphic mutations of the heterohexameric minichromosome maintenance complex, mutations that cause increased genomic instability (GIN), show reduced embryonic viability, with greater loss of female embryos and some parent-of-origin effect. Treatment with immunosuppressants, including ibuprofen and testosterone, partially rescued the observed lethality.
In this new manuscript, the Schimenti lab demonstrates that these GIN-prone mutants feature smaller placentas with fewer cells. Mutations that interfere with the ability of the innate immune system to respond to micronuclei (a consequence of GIN) have no protective effect. Munisha and colleagues then demonstrate that MCM-mutant TSCs are harder to derive and show elevated apoptosis and a greater propensity for differentiation. The mutant TSCs show CHK1 phosphorylation, P53 phosphorylation and higher P21 levels, all consistent with a response to DNA damage. Downstream of this, they also show loss and inhibition of CDK1, which is already established to cause G2/M arrest (generally) and endoreduplication (specifically in trophoblast). The authors advance a model in which GIN results in loss of the TSC pool by apoptosis, cell cycle arrest and premature differentiation, resulting in smaller placentas and particularly fewer junctional zone cells. How this causes inflammation is less clear, but inflammation appears to be a downstream effect rather than cause of poor placentation.
Major comments:
This is a strong manuscript with few problems and all important findings well justified, indeed this is a nicely polished manuscript for something just entering peer review. There are a few unclear points textually and a couple places in the supplementary figures where better data quality would help, but generally it is a high-quality manuscript.
I am confused as to the basis of the sex-skewing phenomenon? Is the problem that lack of maternally loaded WT Mcm4 worsens the phenotype, or is the issue that Mcm4C3/C3 dams are less able to retain pregnancies, perhaps being a more inflammatory environment? Also, while there quite consistent evidence for reduced viability of Mcm4C3/C3McmGt/+ progeny, especially for female progeny, how confident can we be that the genotype of the dam vs. sire is important? Notably on a Ddx58 background, the progeny of the Mcm4C3/C3 sire included seven live male Mcm4C3/C3McmGt/+ but no female.
I'm not sure what Supplementary Figure 6 is showing (faster differentiation of C3 but less TGC?). Regardless, it's hard to draw too much conclusion from one not-very-pretty Western blot. This figure requires both additional replicates and a better explanation of how it fits with the other conclusions of the paper..
Supplementary Figure 7F-G is puzzling. Half of the mESCs have gamma-H2AX at all times, including most in S or G2 phase? In Figure S7E, do the quadrants correspond to being negative or positive for gamma-H2AX? At very least, IF images showing clear gamma-H2AX foci would be much more convincing.
The methods section is well detailed, but it would be ideal to clarify how many replicates each Western Blot or flow cytometry experiment is representative of.
The required additional experiments re: Supplementary Figure 6 and 7 could be conducted in a couple of months.
Minor comments:
Supplementary Table 1. would be enhanced greatly showing comparable tables for Mcm4C3/C3 x Mcm4C3/+McmGt/+ in mice without the Tmem173 or Ddx58 mutations. It is fine to recycle data from McNairn 2019 here, as long as the source is indicated, but a comparison is needed.
Is it possible that cGAS-STING and RIG pathways act redundantly to cause inflammation and lethality, or that other innate immune components are involved? I don't expect the authors to make compound mutants to test this but at least this possibility should be discussed textually.
In Figure S3E-F, is the box above each graph supposed to show the genotype of the dam?
"Indeed, the placenta and embryo weights of E13.5 Mcm4C3/C3 Mcm2Gt/+ Mcm3Gt/+ animals were significantly improved vs. Mcm4C3/C3 Mcm2Gt/+ animals, rendering them similar to Mcm4C3/C3 littermates (Fig. 6A-C). The JZ (but not LZ) area in Mcm4C3/C3 Mcm2Gt/+ Mcm3Gt/+ placentae also increased to the level of Mcm4C3/C3 littermates (Fig. 6D-H)." There are two problems here. First, the figure calls are wrong. Second, the description of the data is not quite right, it looks like the C3/C3 and C3/C3 M2/+ M3/+ LZs are a similar size to each and are statistically indistinguishable.
I partially discussed the above in the summary, but this paper makes a major breakthrough, showing that cell autonomous defects in hTSCs are very likely at the heart of the pathology observed in GIN-prone murine mutants.
Some questions go unsolved. Why are TSCs more prone to die in response to GIN than mESCs, particularly in light of the general observation that karyotypic abnormality is more common in placental lineage? How does the placental abnormality give rise to inflammation? No manuscript can answer every question, and I think this is a mature manuscript that can be published in a good journal with limited modifications.
I am an expert on gene regulation in placental development, with somewhat less expertise in the DNA damage field. The placenta field will find this paper interesting, as will the DNA damage field. There are also ramifications for cancer research. The question of why some cells tolerate high levels of DNA damage and others die is very relevant to cancer.
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Reviewer #1 (Public review):
This paper by Poverlein et al reports the substantial membrane deformation around the oxidative phosphorylation super complex, proposing that this deformation is a key part of super complex formation. I found the paper interesting and well-written.
* Analysis of the bilayer curvature is challenging on the fine lengthscales they have used and produces unexpectedly large energies (Table 1). Additionally, the authors use the mean curvature (Eq. S5) as input to the (uncited, but it seems clear that this is Helfrich) Helfrich Hamiltonian (Eq. S7). If an errant factor of one half has been included with curvature, this would quarter the curvature energy compared to the real energy, due to the squared curvature. The bending modulus used (ca. 5 kcal/mol) is small on the scale of typically observed biological bending moduli. This suggests the curvature energies are indeed much higher even than the high values reported. Some of this may be due to the spontaneous curvature of the lipids and perhaps the effect of the protein modifying the nearby lipids properties.
* It is unclear how CDL is supporting SC formation if its effect stabilizing the membrane deformation is strong or if it is acting as an electrostatic glue. While this is a weakenss for a definite quantification of the effect of CDL on SC formation, the study presents an interesting observation of CDL redistribution and could be an interesting topic for future work.
In summary, the qualitative data presented are interesting (especially the combination of molecular modeling with simpler Monte Carlo modeling aiding broader interpretation of the results). The energies of the membrane deformations are quite large. This might reflect the roles of specific lipids stabilizing those deformations, or the inherent difficulty in characterizing nanometer-scale curvature.
De relevante markt moet in sommige gevallen, als niet duidelijk in de casus staat wat de relevante markt is, worden afgebaken
Maar als dit wel duidelijk uit de casus blijkt ga daan niet zelf de relevante markt uitwerken op de tentamen dit is zonde van je tijd die je beter kan besteden aan andere vragen.
Suis-je le seul à trouver "CSS Grids" plus intuitif/pratique que "Flexbox" ? En effet, avec CSS Grids, tu lui précises le nombre de rangées et de colonnes à avoir et basta, alors qu'avec Flexbox, tu dois réfléchir aux axes (qui est "principal", qui est "secondaire" ?), tu ne peux jamais prévoir le résultat car même en utilisant "lfex-wrap: wrap;" tu ne sais pas après quel élément le navigateur va aller à la ligne … bref, ma phobie !
Après, peut-être que les "pro" du dév préfèrent Flexbox, mais à ce stade, je préfère CSS Grids.
Qu'en pensez-vous ?
Reviewer #3 (Public review):
The goal of this work is to understand the regulation of double-strand break formation during meiosis in C. elegans. The authors have analyzed physical and genetic interactions among a subset of factors that have been previously implicated in DSB formation or the number of timing of DSBs: CEP-1, DSB-1, DSB-2, DSB-3, HIM-5, HIM-17, MRE-11, REC-1, PARG-1, and XND-1.
The 10 proteins that are analyzed here include a diverse set of factors with different functions, based on prior analyses in many published studies. The term "Spo11 accessory factors" has been used in the meiosis literature to describe proteins that directly promote Spo11 cleavage activity, rather than factors that are important for the expression of meiotic proteins or that influence the genome-wide distribution or timing of DSBs. Based on this definition, the known SPO-11 accessory factors in C. elegans include DSB-1, DSB-2, DSB-3, and the MRN complex (at least MRE-11 and RAD-50). These are all homologs of proteins that have been studied biochemically and structurally in other organisms. DSB-1 & DSB-2 are homologs of Rec114, while DSB-3 is a homolog of Mei4. Biochemical and structural studies have shown that Rec114 and Mei4 directly modulate Spo11 activity by recruiting Spo11 to chromatin and promoting its dimerization, which is essential for cleavage. The other factors analyzed in this study affect the timing, distribution, or number of RAD-51 foci, but they likely do so indirectly. As elaborated below, XND-1 and HIM-17 are transcription factors that modulate the expression of other meiotic genes, and their role in DSB formation is parsimoniously explained by this regulatory activity. The roles of HIM-5 and REC-1 remain unclear; the reported localization of HIM-5 to autosomes is consistent with a role in transcription (the autosomes are transcriptionally active in the germline, while the X chromosome is largely silent), but its loss-of-function phenotypes are much more limited than those of HIM-17 and XND-1, so it may play a more direct role in DSB formation. The roles of CEP-1 (a Rad53 homolog) and PARG-1 are also ambiguous, but their homologs in other organisms contribute to DNA repair rather than DSB formation.
An additional significant limitation of the study, as stated in my initial review, is that much of the analysis here relies on cytological visualization of RAD-51 foci as a proxy for DSBs. RAD-51 associates transiently with DSB sites as they undergo repair and is thus limited in its ability to reveal details about the timing or abundance of DSBs since its loading and removal involve additional steps that may be influenced by the factors being analyzed.
The paper focuses extensively on HIM-5, which was previously shown through genetic and cytological analysis to be important for breaks on the X chromosome. The revised manuscript still claims that "HIM-5 mediates interactions with the different accessory factors sub-groups, providing insights into how components on the DNA loops may interact with the chromosome axis." The weak interactions between HIM-5 and DSB-1/2 detected in the Y2H assay do not convincingly support such a role. The idea that HIM-5 directly promotes break formation is also inconsistent with genetic data showing that him-5 mutants lack breaks on the X chromosomes, while HIM-5 has been shown to be is enriched on autosomes. Additionally, as noted in my comment to the authors, the localization data for HIM-5 shown in this paper are discordant with prior studies; this discrepancy should be addressed experimentally.
This paper describes REC-1 and HIM-5 as paralogs, based on prior analysis in a paper that included some of the same authors (Chung et al., 2015; DOI 10.1101/gad.266056.115). In my initial review I mentioned that this earlier conclusion was likely incorrect and should not be propagated uncritically here. Since the authors have rebutted this comment rather than amending it, I feel it is important to explain my concerns about the conclusions of previous study. Chung et al. found a small region of potential homology between the C. elegans rec-1 and him-5 genes and also reported that him-5; rec-1 double mutants have more severe defects than either single mutant, indicative of a stronger reduction in DSBs. Based on these observations and an additional argument based on microsynteny, they concluded that these two genes arose through recent duplication and divergence. However, as they noted, genes resembling rec-1 are absent from all other Caenorhabditis species, even those most closely related to C. elegans. The hypothesis that two genes are paralogs that arose through duplication and divergence is thus based on their presence in a single species, in the absence of extensive homology or evidence for conserved molecular function. Further, the hypothesis that gene duplication and divergence has given rise to two paralogs that share no evident structural similarity or common interaction partners in the few million years since C. elegans diverged from its closest known relatives is implausible. In contrast, DSB-1 and DSB-2 are both homologs of Rec114 that clearly arose through duplication and divergence within the Caenorhabditis lineage, but much earlier than the proposed split between REC-1 and HIM-5. Two genes that can be unambiguously identified as dsb-1 and dsb-2 are present in genomes throughout the Elegans supergroup and absent in the Angaria supergroup, placing the duplication event at around 18-30 MYA, yet DSB-1 and DSB-2 share much greater similarity in their amino acid sequence, predicted structure, and function than HIM-5 and REC-1. Further, Raices place HIM-5 and REC-1 in different functional complexes (Figure 3B).
The authors acknowledge that HIM-17 is a transcription factor that regulates many meiotic genes. Like HIM-17, XND-1 is cytologically enriched along the autosomes in germline nuclei, suggestive of a role in transcription. The Reinke lab performed ChIP-seq in a strain expressing an XND-1::GFP fusion protein and showed that it binds to promoter regions, many of which overlap with the HIM-17-regulated promoters characterized by the Ahringer lab (doi: 10.1126/sciadv.abo4082). Work from the Yanowitz lab has shown that XND-1 influences the transcription of many other genes involved in meiosis (doi: 10.1534/g3.116.035725) and work from the Colaiacovo lab has shown that XND-1 regulates the expression of CRA-1 (doi: 10.1371/journal.pgen.1005029). Additionally, loss of HIM-17 or XND-1 causes pleiotropic phenotypes, consistent with a broad role in gene regulation. Collectively, these data indicate that XND-1 and HIM-17 are transcription factors that are important for the proper expression of many germline-expressed genes. Thus, as stated above, the roles of HIM-17 and XND-1 in DSB formation, as well as their effects on histone modification, are parsimoniously explained by their regulation of the expression of factors that contribute more directly to DSB formation and chromatin modification. I feel strongly that transcription factors should not be described as "SPO-11 accessory factors."
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Reviewer #1 (Public Review):
Summary:
The manuscript by Raices et al., provides novel insights into the role and interactions between SPO-11 accessory proteins in C. elegans. The authors propose a model of meiotic DSBs regulation, critical to our understanding of DSB formation and ultimately crossover regulation and accurate chromosome segregation. The work also emphasizes the commonalities and species-specific aspects of DSB regulation.
Strengths:
This study capitalizes on the strengths of the C. elegans system to uncover genetic interactions between a large number of SPO-11 accessory proteins. In combination with physical interactions, the authors synthesize their findings into a model, which will serve as the basis for future work, to determine mechanisms of DSB regulation.
Weaknesses:
The methodology, although standard, lacks quantification. This includes the mass spectrometry data , along with the cytology. The work would also benefit from clarifying the role of the DSB machinery on the X chromosome versus the autosomes.
• We have uploaded the MS data and added a summary table with the number of peptides and coverage.
• We have added statistics to the comparisons of DAPI body counts.
• We have provided additional images of the change in HIM-5 localization
• We have quantified the overlap (or lack thereof) between XND-1 and HIM-17 and the DNA axis
Reviewer #2 (Public Review):
Summary:
Meiotic recombination initiates with the formation of DNA double-strand break (DSB) formation, catalyzed by the conserved topoisomerase-like enzyme Spo11. Spo11 requires accessory factors that are poorly conserved across eukaryotes. Previous genetic studies have identified several proteins required for DSB formation in C. elegans to varying degrees; however, how these proteins interact with each other to recruit the DSB-forming machinery to chromosome axes remains unclear.
In this study, Raices et al. characterized the biochemical and genetic interactions among proteins that are known to promote DSB formation during C. elegans meiosis. The authors examined pairwise interactions using yeast two-hybrid (Y2H) and co-immunoprecipitation and revealed an interaction between a chromatin-associated protein HIM-17 and a transcription factor XND-1. They further confirmed the previously known interaction between DSB-1 and SPO-11 and showed that DSB-1 also interacts with a nematodespecific HIM-5, which is essential for DSB formation on the X chromosome. They also assessed genetic interactions among these proteins, categorizing them into four epistasis groups by comparing phenotypes in double vs. single mutants. Combining these results, the authors proposed a model of how these proteins interact with chromatin loops and are recruited to chromosome axes, offering insights into the process in C. elegans compared to other organisms.
Weaknesses:
This work relies heavily on Y2H, which is notorious for having high rates of false positives and false negatives. Although the interactions between HIM-17 and XND-1 and between DSB-1 and HIM-5 were validated by co-IP, the significance of these interactions was not tested, and cataloging Y2H interactions does not yield much more insight.
We appreciate that the reviewer recognized the value of our IP data, but we beg to differ that we rely too heavily on the Y2H. We also provide genetic analysis on bivalent formation to support the physical interaction data. We do acknowledge that there are caveats with Y2H, however, including that a subset of the interactions can only be examined with proteins in one orientation due to auto-activation. While we acknowledge that it would be nice to have IP data for all of the proteins using CRISPR-tagged, functional alleles, these strains are not all feasible (e.g. no functional rec-1 tag has been made) and are beyond the scope of the current work.
Moreover, most experiments lack rigor, which raises serious concerns about whether the data convincingly supports the conclusions of this paper. For instance, the XND-1 antibody appears to detect a band in the control IP; however, there was no mention of the specificity of this antibody.
We previously showed the specificity of this antibody in its original publication showing lack of staining in the xnd-1 mutant by IF (Wagner et al., 2010). To further address this, however, we have now included a new supplementary figure (Figure S1) demonstrating the specificity of the XND-1 antibody by Western blot. The antibody detects a distinct band in extracts from wild-type (N2) worms, but this band is absent in two independent xnd-1 mutant strains. This confirms that the antibody specifically recognizes XND-1, supporting the validity of the IP results shown in the main figures.
Additionally, epistasis analysis of various genetic mutants is based on the quantification of DAPI bodies in diakinesis oocytes, but the comparisons were made without statistical analyses.
We have added statistical analysis to all datasets where quantification was possible, strengthening the rigor and interpretation of our findings.
For cytological data, a single representative nucleus was shown without quantification and rigorous analysis. The rationale for some experiments is also questionable (e.g. the rescue by dsb-2 mutants by him-5 transgenes in Figure 2), making the interpretation of the data unclear. Overall, while this paper claims to present "the first comprehensive model of DSB regulation in a metazoan", cataloging Y2H and genetic interactions did not yield any new insights into DSB formation without rigorous testing of their significance in vivo. The model proposed in Figure 4 is also highly speculative.
Regarding the cytology, we provide new images and quantification of HIM-17 and XND-1 overlap with the DNA axes. We also added full germ line images showing HIM-5 localization in wild type and dsb-1 mutants, to provide a more complete and representative view of the observed phenotype. To further support our findings, we’ve also included images demonstrating that this phenotype is consistently observed with both in live worm with the the him-5::GFP transgene and in fixed worms with an endogenously tagged version of HIM-5.
Reviewer #3 (Public Review):
During meiosis in sexually reproducing organisms, double-strand breaks are induced by a topoisomerase-related enzyme, Spo11, which is essential for homologous recombination, which in turn is required for accurate chromosome segregation. Additional factors control the number and genome-wide distribution of breaks, but the mechanisms that determine both the frequency and preferred location of meiotic DSBs remain only partially understood in any organism.
The manuscript presents a variety of different analyses that include variable subsets of putative DSB factors. It would be much easier to follow if the analyses had been more systematically applied. It is perplexing that several factors known to be essential for DSB formation (e.g., cohesins, HORMA proteins) are excluded from this analysis, while it includes several others that probably do not directly contribute to DSB formation (XND-1, HIM-17, CEP-1, and PARG-1).
We respectfully disagree with the reviewer’s statement regarding the selection of factors included in our analysis. In this work, our focus was specifically on SPO-11 accessory factors — proteins that directly interact with or regulate SPO-11 activity during doublestrand break formation. Cohesins and chromosome axis proteins (such as the HORMA domain proteins) are essential for establishing the correct chromosome architecture that supports DSB formation, but there is no evidence that they are direct accessory factors of SPO-11. Therefore, they were intentionally excluded from this study to maintain a clear and focused scope on proteins that more directly modulate SPO-11 function.
Conversely, XND-1, HIM-17, CEP-1, and PARG-1 have all been implicated in regulating aspects of SPO-11-mediated DSB formation or its immediate environment. Although their contributions mayinvolve broader chromatin or DNA damage response regulation, prior literature supports their inclusion as relevant modulators of SPO-11 activity, justifying their analysis within the context of this work.
The strongest claims seem to be that "HIM-5 is the determinant of X-chromosome-specific crossovers" and "HIM-5 coordinates the actions of the different accessory factors subgroups." Prior work had already shown that mutations in him-5 preferentially reduce meiotic DSBs on the X chromosome. While it is possible that HIM-5 plays a direct role in DSB induction on the X chromosome, the evidence presented here does not strongly support this conclusion. It is also difficult to reconcile this idea with evidence from prior studies that him-5 mutations predominantly prevent DSB formation on the sex chromosomes, while the protein localizes to autosomes.
HIM-5 is not the only protein that is autosomally enriched but preferentially affects the X chromosome: MES-4 and MRG-1 are both autosomally-enriched but influence silencing of the X chromosome. While HIM-5 appears autosomally-enriched, it does not appear to be autosomal-exclusive. While we would ideally perform ChIP to determine its localization on chromatin, this method for assaying DSB sites is likely insufficient to identify DSB sites which differ in each nucleus and for which there are no known hotspots in the worm.
him-5 mutants confer an ~50% reduction in total number of breaks and a very profound change in break dynamics (seen by RAD-51 foci (Meneely et al., 2012)). Since the autosomes receives sufficient breaks in this context to attain a crossover in >98% of nuclei, this indicates that the autosomes are much less profoundly impacted by loss of DSB functions than is the X chromosome. Indeed, prior data from co-author, Monica Colaiacovo, showed that fewer breaks occur on the X (Gao, 2015) likely resulting from differences in the chromatin composition of the X and autosome resulting from X chromosome silencing.
The conclusion that HIM-5 must be required for breaks on the X comes from the examination of DSB levels and their localization in different mutants that impair but do not completely abrogate breaks. In any situation where HIM-5 protein expression is affected (xnd-1, him-17, and him-5 null alleles), breaks on the X are reduced/ eliminated. By contrast, in dsb-2 mutants, where HIM-5 expression is unaffected, both X and autosomal breaks are impacted equally. As discussed above, in the absence of HIM-5 function, there are ~15 breaks/ nucleus. The Ppie1::him-5 transgene is expressed to lower levels than Phim-5::him-5, but in the best case, the ectopic expression of this protein should give a maximum of ~15 breaks (the total # of breaks is thought to be ~30/nucleus). By these estimates, Ppie-1::him-5; him-17 and him-5 null mutants have the same number of breaks. Yet, in the former case, breaks occur on the X; whereas in the latter they do not. The best explanation for this discrepancy is that HIM-5 is sufficient to recruits the DSB machinery to the X chromosome.
The one experiment that seems to elicit the conclusion that HIM-5 expression is sufficient for breaks on the X chromosome is flawed (see below). The conclusion that HIM-5 "coordinates the activities of the different accessory sub-groups" is not supported by data presented here or elsewhere.
We have reorganized the discussion to more directly address the reviewers’ concerns. We raise the possibility that HIM-5 has an important role in bringing together the SPO-11 and its interacting components (DSB-1/2/3) with the other DSB inducing factors, including those factors that regulating DSB timing (XND-1), coordination with the cell cycle (REC-1), association with the chromosome axis (PARG-1, MRE-11), and coupling to downstream resection and repair (MRE-11, CEP-1).
This raises a natural question: if HIM-5 has such a central role, why are the phenotypes of HIM-5 so mild? We propose that while the loss of DSBs on the X appears mild, more profound effects are seen in the total number, timing, and placement of the DSBs across the genome- all of which are diminished or altered in the absence of HIM-5. The phenotypes of him-5 loss reminiscent of those observed in Prdm9-/- in mice where breaks are relocated to transcriptional start sites and show significant delay in formation. As with PRDM9, the comparatively subtle phenotypes of HIM-5 loss do not diminish its critical role in promoting proper DSB formation in most mammals.
Like most other studies that have examined DSB formation in C. elegans, this work relies on indirect assays, here limited to the cytological appearance of RAD-51 foci and bivalent chromosomes, as evidence of break formation or lack thereof. Unfortunately, neither of these assays has the power to reveal the genome-wide distribution or number of breaks. These assays have additional caveats, due to the fact that RAD-51 association with recombination intermediates and successful crossover formation both require multiple steps downstream of DSB induction, some of which are likely impaired in some of the mutants analyzed here. This severely limits the conclusions that can be drawn. Given that the goal of the work is to understand the effects of individual factors on DSB induction, direct physical assays for DSBs should be applied; many such assays have been developed and used successfully in other organisms.
We appreciate the reviewer’s thoughtful comments. We agree that RAD-51 foci are an indirect readout of DSB formation and that their dynamics can be influenced by defects in downstream repair processes. However, in C. elegans, the available methods for directly detecting DSBs are limited. Unlike other organisms, C. elegans lacks γH2AX, eliminating the possibility of using γH2AX as a DSB marker. TUNEL assays, while conceptually appealing, have proven unreliable and poorly reproducible in the germline context. Similarly, RPA foci do not consistently correlate with the number of DSBs and are influenced by additional processing steps.
Given these limitations, RAD-51 foci remain the most widely accepted surrogate for monitoring DSB formation in C. elegans. While we fully acknowledge the caveats associated with this approach — particularly the potential effects of downstream repair defects — RAD-51 analysis continues to provide valuable insight into DSB dynamics and regulation, especially when interpreted in combination with other phenotypic assessments.
Throughout the manuscript, the writing conflates the roles played by different factors that affect DSB formation in very different ways. XND-1 and HIM-17 have previously been shown to be transcription factors that promote the expression of many germline genes, including genes encoding proteins that directly promote DSBs. Mutations in either xnd-1 or him-17 result in dysregulation of germline gene expression and pleiotropic defects in meiosis and fertility, including changes in chromatin structure, dysregulation of meiotic progression, and (for xnd-1) progressive loss of germline immortality. It is thus misleading to refer to HIM-17 and XND-1 as DSB "accessory factors" or to lump their activities with those of other proteins that are likely to play more direct roles in DSB induction.
It is clear that we will not reach agreement about the direct vs indirect roles here of chromatin remodelers/transcription factors in break formation. In yeast, there is a precedent for SPP1 and in mouse for Prdm9, both of which could be described as transcription factors as well, as having roles in break formation by creating an open chromatin environment for the break machinery. We envision that these proteins function in the same fashion. The changes in histone acetylation in the xnd-1 mutants supports such a claim.
We do not know what the reviewer is referring to in statement that “XND-1 and HIM-17 have previously been shown to be transcription factors that promote the expression of many germline genes.” While the Carelli et al paper indeed shows a role for HIM-17 in expression of many germline genes, there is only one reference to XND-1 in this manuscript (Figure S3A) which shows that half of XND-1 binding sites overlap with the co-opted germline promoters. There is no transcriptional data at all on xnd-1 mutants, save our studies (referenced herein) that XND-1 regulates him-5 expression.
For example, statements such as the following sentence in the Introduction should be omitted or explained more clearly: "xnd-1 is also unique among the accessory factors in influencing the timing of DSBs; in the absence of xnd-1, there is precocious and rapid accumulation of DSBs as monitored by the accumulation of the HR strand-exchange protein RAD-51.
We are not sure what is confusing here. The distribution of RAD-51 foci is significantly altered in xnd-1 mutants and peak levels of breaks are achieved as nuclei leave the transition zone (Wagner et al., 2010; McClendon et al., 2016). There is no other mutation that causes this type of change in RAD-51 distribution.
"The evidence that HIM-17 promotes the expression of him-5 presented here corroborates data from other publications, notably the recent work of Carelli et al. (2022), but this conclusion should not be presented as novel here.
We have clarified this in the text. We note that this paper showed alterations in him-5 levels by RNA-Seq but they did not validate these results with quantitative RT-PCR. Thus, our studies do provide an important validation of their prior results.
The other factors also fall into several different functional classes, some of which are relatively well understood, based largely on studies in other organisms. The roles of RAD50 and MRE-11 in DSB induction have been investigated in yeast and other organisms as well as in several prior studies in C. elegans. DSB-1, DSB-2, and DSB-3 are homologs of relatively well-studied meiotic proteins in other organisms (Rec114 and Mei4) that directly promote the activity of Spo11, although the mechanism by which they do so is still unclear.
Whilst we agree that we understand some of the functions of the homologs, there are clearly examples in other processes of conserved proteins adopting unique regulatory function. We should not presume evolutionary conservation until proven. Indeed the comparison between the Mer2 proteins becomes particularly relevant here. For example, the RMM complex in plants does not contain PRD3, although this protein is thought to have function in DSB formation and repair (Lambing et al, 2022; Vrielynck et al., 2021; Thangavel et al., 2023). In Sordaria, as well, the Mer2 homolog has distinct functions (Tesse et al., 2017).
Mutations in PARG-1 (a Poly-ADP ribose glycohydrolase) likely affect the regulation of polyADP-ribose addition and removal at sites of DSBs, which in turn are thought to regulate chromatin structure and recruitment of repair factors; however, there is no convincing evidence that PARG-1 directly affects break formation.
Our prior collaborative studies on PARG-1 showed that is has a non-catalytic function that promote DSBs that is independent of accumulation of PAR (Janisiw et al., 2020; Trivedi et al., 2022)
CEP-1 is a homolog of p53 and is involved in the DNA damage response in the germline, but again is unlikely to directly contribute to DSB induction.
We respectfully disagree with the reviewer’s statement. While CEP-1 is indeed a homolog of p53 and plays a major role in the DNA damage response, prior work from Brent Derry’s lab and from our group (Mateo et al., 2016) demonstrated that specific cep-1 separationof-function alleles affect DSB induction and/or repair pathway choice independently of canonical DNA damage checkpoint activation. In particular, defects in DSB formation observed in certain cep-1 mutants can be rescued by exogenous irradiation, supporting a direct or closely linked role in promoting DSB formation rather than merely responding to damage. Thus, based on these functional data, we considered CEP-1 a relevant factor to include in our analysis. We have now clarified this rationale in the revised manuscript.
HIM-5 and REC-1 do not have apparent homologs in other organisms and play poorly understood roles in promoting DSB induction. A mechanistic understanding of their functions would be of value to the field, but the current work does not shed light on this. A previous paper (Chung et al. G&D 2015) concluded that HIM-5 and REC-1 are paralogs arising from a recent gene duplication, based on genetic evidence for a partially overlapping role in DSB induction, as well as an argument based on the genomic location of these genes in different species; however, these proteins lack any detectable sequence homology and their predicted structures are also dissimilar (both are largely unstructured but REC-1 contains a predicted helical bundle lacking in HIM-5). Moreover, the data presented here do not reveal overlapping sets of genetic or physical interactions for the two genes/proteins. Thus, this earlier conclusion was likely incorrect, and this idea should not be restated uncritically here or used as a basis to interpret phenotypes.
Actually, there is quite good bioinformatic analysis that the rec-1 and him-5 loci evolved from a gene duplication and that each share features of the ancestral protein (Chung et al., 2015). We are sorry if the reviewer casts aspersions on the prior literature and analyses. The homology between these genes with the ancestral protein is near the same degree as dsb-1, dsb-2, or dsb-3 to their ancestral homologs (<17%).
DSB-1 was previously reported to be strictly required for all DSB and CO formation in C. elegans. Here the authors test whether the expression of HIM-5 from the pie-1 promoter can rescue DSB formation in dsb-1 mutants, and claim to see some rescue, based on an increase in the number of nuclei with one apparent bivalent (Figure 2C). This result seems to be the basis for the claim that HIM-5 coordinates the activities of other DSB proteins. However, this assay is not informative, and the conclusion is almost certainly incorrect. Notably, a substantial number of nuclei in the dsb-1 mutant (without Ppie-1::him-5) are reported as displaying a single bivalent (11 DAPI staining bodies) despite prior evidence that DSBs are absent in dsb-1 mutants; this suggests that the way the assay was performed resulted in false positives (bivalents that are not actually bivalents), likely due to inclusion of nuclei in which univalents could not be unambiguously resolved in the microscope. A slightly higher level of nuclei with a single unresolved pair of chromosomes in the dsb-1; Ppie-1::him-5 strain is thus not convincing evidence for rescue of DSBs/CO formation, and no evidence is presented that these putative COs are X-specific. The authors should provide additional experimental evidence - e.g., detection of RAD-51 and/or COSA-1 foci or genetic evidence of recombination - or remove this claim. The evidence that expression of Ppie-1::him-5 may partially rescue DSB abundance in dsb-2 mutants is hard to interpret since it is currently unknown why C. elegans expresses 2 paralogs of Rec114 (DSB-1 and DSB-2), and the age-dependent reduction of DSBs in dsb-2 mutants is not understood.
We have removed this claim in part because we have been unable to create the triple mutants strains to analyze COSA-1 foci.
To the point about 11 vs 12 DAPI bodies: the literature is actually replete with examples of 11 DAPI bodies vs 12 in mutants with no breaks:
Hinman al., 2021: null allele of dsb-3 has an average of 11.6 +/- 0.6 breaks;
Stamper et al, 2013, show just over 60% of dsb-1 nuclei with 12 DAPI bodies and 5-10% with 10 DAPI bodies. (Figure 1);
In addition, we also previously showed (Machovina et al., 2016) that a subset of meiotic nuclei have a single RAD-51 focus and can achieve a crossover. RAD-51 foci in spo-11 were also reported in Colaiacovo et al., 2003.
Several of the factors analyzed here, including XND-1, HIM-17, HIM-5, DSB-1, DSB-2, and DSB-3, have been shown to localize broadly to chromatin in meiotic cells. Coimmunoprecipitation of pairs of these factors, even following benzonase digestion, is not strong evidence to support a direct physical interaction between proteins.
Similarly, the super-resolution analysis of XND-1 and HIM-17 (Figure 1EF) does not reveal whether these proteins physically interact with each other, and does not add to our understanding of these proteins functions, since they are already known to bind to many of the same promoters. Promoters are also likely to be located in chromatin loops away from the chromosome axis, so in this respect, the localization data are also confirmatory rather than novel.
While the binding to promoters would be expected to be on DNA loops, that has not been definitively shown in the worm germ line. The supplemental data of the Carelli paper suggests that there are ~250 binding sites for each protein at these coopted promoters. This could not account for crossover map seen in C. elegans.
The reviewer states correct that we do not reveal that these proteins interact, but we have shown that the two proteins co-IP and have a Y2H interaction. This interaction is supporedt by a recent publication (Blazickova et al., 2025) corroborating this conclusion and identifies XND-1 in HIM-17 co-IPs also in the presence of benzonase. We do now show, however, by immuno-localization that the two proteins appear to be adjacent, but nonoverlapping. As now described in the text, AlphaFold 3 modeling and structural analysis suggests that the two proteins do interact directly and that the tagged 5’ end of HIM-17 used in our studies is likely to be at least 200nm from the putative XND-1 binding interface, a distance that is consistent with our confocal images showing frequent juxtaposition of the two proteins.
The phenotypic analysis of double mutant combinations does not seem informative. A major problem is that these different strains were only assayed for bivalent formation, which (as mentioned above) requires several steps downstream of DSB induction. Additionally, the basis for many of the single mutant phenotypes is not well understood, making it particularly challenging to interpret the effects of double mutants. Further, some of the interactions described as "synergistic" appear to be additive, not synergistic. While additive effects can be used as evidence that two genes work in different pathways, this can also be very misleading, especially when the function of individual proteins is unknown. I find that the classification of genes into "epistastasis groups" based on this analysis does not shed light on their functions and indeed seems in some cases to contradict what is known about their functions. ‘
As described above, each of the proteins analyzed is thought to have a direct role in regulating meiotic DSB formation and single mutant phenotypes are consistent with this interpretation. In almost all-if not all- of these cases, IR induced breaks suppress univalent phenotypes (or uncover a downstream repair defect (e.g. in mre-11)) supporting this conclusion. We have changed the terminology from “epistasis groups” since this is not strict epistasis, but rather, “functional groups”.
The yeast two-hybrid (Y2H) data are only presented as a single colony. While it is understandable to use a 'representative' colony, it is ideal to include a dilution series for the various interactions, which is how Y2H data are typically shown.
The Y2H data are presented as spots on a plate and are from three to four individual transformants per interaction tested, and are not individual colonies. The experiment was repeated in triplicate from different transformations. We have now made this clearer in the materials and methods section. This approach has been successfully used to examine protein interactions in our prior manuscripts of yeast and human proteins [Gaines et al (2015) Nat. Comms 6:7834; Kondrashova et al (2017) Cancer Discovery 7:984; Garcin et al (2019) PLoS Genetics 15:e1008355; Bonilla et al (2021) eLife 1: e68080) Prakash et al (2022) PNAS 119: e2202727119, etc]
Additional (relatively minor) concerns about these data:
(1) Several interactions reported here seem to be detected in only one direction - e.g., MRE-11-AD/HIM-5-BD, REC-1-AD/XND-1-BD, and XND-1-AD/HIM-17-BD - while no interactions are seen with the reciprocal pairs of fusion proteins. I'm not sure if some of this is due to pasting "positive" colony images into the wrong position in the grid, but this should be addressed.
The asymmetry in the interactions observed is due to the well-known phenomenon in yeast two-hybrid (Y2H) assays where certain plasmids exhibit self-activation when fused in one orientation, making interpretation of reciprocal interactions challenging. In our experiment, some of the plasmids indeed showed self-activation in one direction, which likely accounts for the lack of interaction seen with the reciprocal pairs of fusion proteins. We have clarified this point in the Methods.
(2) DSB-3 was only assayed in pairwise combinations with a subset of other proteins; this should be explained; it is also unclear why the interaction grids are not symmetrical about the diagonal.
We have now completed the analysis by adding the interactions of DSB-3 with the remaining proteins that were missing from the initial set.
(3) I don't understand why the graphic summaries of Y2H data are split among 3 different figures (1, 2, and 3).
We chose to split the graphic summaries of the Y2H data across Figures 1, 2, and 3 because we felt this organization better aligns with the flow of the results presented in each figure. Each set of interactions is shown in the context of the specific experiments and findings discussed in those sections, which we believe helps provide a clearer and more logical presentation of the data.
Recommendations for the authors:
Reviewer #1 (Recommendations For The Authors):
Figure 1: B) The IP is difficult to interpret - there is a band of the corresponding size to XND-1 in the control lane calling into question the specificity of the IP/Western.
We added a supplemental figure with the specificity of the antibody showing that there is a background non-specific band.
C) More information about the mass spectrometry should be included. No indication of the number of times a peptide was identified, or the overall coverage of the identified proteins.
Done
This is important as in the results section (line 114) the authors indicate that there was "strong" interaction yet there is no way to assess this.
D) Why wasn't hatching measured in the him-5p::him-5; him-17(ok424) strain?
Great question. I guess we need to do this while back out for review. If anyone has suggestions of what to say here. Clearly we overlooked this point but do have the strain.
E) Quantification of the cytology should be included.
We have now quantified overlap between XND-1 and HIM-17
Figure 2: C) Statistics should be included.
Done
E) Quantification should be included for the cytology. I recommend changing the eals15 to HIM-5.
We included better images showing whole gonads instead of one or two nuclei. We were not sure what the reviewers want us to quantify here since the relocalization of the protein to the cytoplasm is very clear.
I have a general issue with the use of the term epistasis - this is used to order gene function based on different mutant phenotypes, usually with null alleles. While I think the authors have valid points with how they group the different SPO-11 accessory proteins, I do not think they should use the word epistasis, but rather genetic interactions.
We appreciate the reviewers thoughts on this matter and have removed the term epistasis and use functional groups or genetic interactions throughout the text.
Figure 4 and the nature of the X chromosome: First, I think it would help the non-C. elegans reader to include a little more information on the X chromosome with respect to its differences compared to the autosomes. I also think that, if possible, it would be beneficial to include a model of the X in Figure 4.
We have added more about X/autosome differences in the intro and during the discussion of HIM-5 function and have added a figure showing difference in the behavior of the X/autosomes during DSB/crossover formation.
Minor points:
Abstract: Given the findings of Silva and Smolikove on SPO-11 breaks, I recommend removing "early" from line 28 in the Abstract.
Done
Introduction (line 93): I think "biochemical studies" is a stretch here - I recommend "interaction studies".
Done
Results: (lines 160-161): mutations are not required for breaks. Line 172, there is a problem with the sentence.
Corrected
Reviewer #2 (Recommendations For The Authors):
Major comments:
(1) Figure 1B- The signal for XND-1 seems to appear both in the control and him-17::HA IP. Do the authors have tested the specificity of the XND-1 antibody?
We included a supplementary figure demonstrating the specificity of the XND-1 antibody by Western blot. This was also previously published (Wagner et al., 2010)
(2) Figure 1D - can the authors provide an explanation why the him-5p::him-5 transgene that drives a higher expression than pie-1p::him-5 fails to suppress the Him phenotype seen in him-17? What are the HIM-5 levels like in these two strains compared to N2 and him-17 null mutants? Can this information provide explanation for the differential effect of the him-5 transgenes?
We previously reported that him-5p::him-5 drives higher expression than pie-1p::him-5 (McClendon et al, 2016).
The reason that him-5p::him-5 does not rescue, despite higher wild type expression is that HIM-17 directly regulates expression of him-5. Since HIM-17 does not regulate the pie-1 promoter, the pie-1p::him-5 construct can at least partially suppress the him-17 mutation.
We have (hopefully) explained this better in the text.
(3) Line 102- the subheading "HIM-5 is the essential factor for meiotic breaks in the Xchromosome" may not be appropriate for this section. This is what has previously been known. However, the results in Figure 1 demonstrate that a him-5 transgene can partially rescue the him-17 and ¬xnd-1 phenotype, but not that it is essential for meiotic DSB formation on X chromosomes.
We think some of the concern here is sematic and have changed the phraseology to say that HIM-5 is SUFFICIENT for DSBs on the X… which had not previously been shown.
Vis-à-vis the X chromosome, in all genetic backgrounds examined, the absence of HIM-5 consistently results in a complete lack of DSBs on the X. For instance, in dsb-2 mutants— where HIM-5 is still expressed—DSBs are reduced genome-wide, but the X chromosome occasionally retains breaks. In contrast, even a weak allele of him-17 results specifically in the loss of X chromosome breaks, underscoring a unique requirement for HIM-5 in promoting DSBs on the X. While Figure 1 shows that a him-5 transgene can partially rescue him-17 and xnd-1 phenotypes, the consistent observation that X breaks are absent without HIM-5 supports its classification as sufficient for DSB formation on the X chromosome.
(4) Figure 1E - please consider enlarging the images and showing multiple examples.
Done.
I also suggest that the authors perform a more rigorous analysis to support the conclusion that XND-1 and HIM-17 localize away from the axis by quantifying multiple images and doing line-scan analysis.
Provided. New images are provided in both, the main and supplemental figures, and quantification is included. There is no detectable overlap of the two protein with one another or the DNA axes (see quantification of overlap in Fig. 1).
(5) Line 162 - This is the first mention of DSB-1, DSB-2, and DSB-3 in the paper. DSB-1 and DSB-2 are Rec114 homologs in C. elegans (Tesse et al., 2017), while DSB-3 is a homolog of Mei4 (Hinman et al., 2021). These proteins should be properly introduced in the introduction with appropriate citations.
Done. We appreciate the reviewer pointing out that this was the first reference to these genes.
(6) Line 169 - the rationale for this experiment is unclear. Why did the Y2H interaction between HIM-5 and DSB-1 prompt the authors to test the rescue of dsb-1 or dsb-2 phenotypes by the ectopic expression of him-5? Do the authors have evidence that HIM-5 level is reduced in dsb-1 or dsb-2 mutants?
We have reorganized this section to better explain the motivation for looking at these interactions. We did see a difference in the localization in HIM-5 in the dsb-1 mutant animals and we did have a sense that HIM-5 was critical for breaks on the X. We reasoned that it could have independent functions in promoting breaks that were not yet appreciated so wanted to do this experiment.
(7) Line 172 - "very slightly reduced". This claim requires statistical analysis.
We added statistical analysis, but we also removed this claim.
(8) Figures 2C and 2D - Can the authors provide an explanation why the pie-1p::him-5 transgene fails to suppress the phenotypes in dsb-1, while the him-5p::him-5 trasgene can? Again, the rationale for these experiments is unclear. Because of this, the interpretation is also unclear.
The difference in rescue between the pie-1p::him-5 and him-5p::him-5 transgenes likely reflects differences in expression levels. As previously shown (McClendon et al., 2016), the him-5p::him-5 construct results in significantly higher expression of HIM-5 protein compared to pie-1p::him-5. This elevated expression likely explains its ability to partially rescue the dsb-1 phenotype. In contrast, the lower expression driven by the pie-1 promoter is insufficient to compensate for the absence of dsb-1 function. We have clarified the rationale and interpretation of these experiments in the revised manuscript to better reflect this point.
(9) Lines 184-185 - the data for endogenously tagged HIM-5::3xHA are not shown anywhere in the paper. This must be shown.
We have added this in the supplemental figures.
(10) Figure 2D and 2E - what does the localization of pie-1p::him-5::GFP (eaIs15) and him5p::him-5::GFP (eaIs4) look like in wild-type and dsb-1 mutants? Are the cytoplasmic aggregates caused by increased levels of HIM-5 expression? Can the differential behavior of him-5 transgenes provide explanation for differential rescues?
We now show both live and fixed images of Phim-5::him-5::gfp transgenes, as well as the localization of the endogenously HA-tagged HIM-5 locus (Figure 2 and S3). In all cases, the protein is initially nuclear and then absent from meiotic nuclei with similar timing. The Ppie1::him-5 transgene was very difficult to image due to low expression (even in wild type) so it not shown here. We presume it is the slightly elevated level of expression of the Phim5::him-5::gfp that can explain the differential rescue.
(11) Lines 221-222, where are the results shown? Please refer to Figure S3.
Done
(12) Figure S3 - these need statistical analyses.
Done
(13) Lines 230-231 - what about the rec-1; parg-1; cep-1 triple mutant?
This is an excellent suggestion and not one we have not yet pursued. Given the lack of strong phenotypes in all combination of double mutants, we prioritized other experiments . However, we agree that examining the rec-1; parg-1; cep-1 triple mutant would provide a valuable test of whether these factors act in the same pathway, and we appreciate the reviewer highlighting this potential future direction.
(14) Line 298 - I suggest the authors take a look at the Alphafold prediction of DSB-1/DSB-2/DSB-3 and the comparison to human and budding yeast Rec114/Mei4 complex in Guo et al., 2022 eLife, which could provide insights into the Y2H results.
We thank the reviewer for these comments and have indeed used these interactions and predicted homologies to zero in a region of interaction between these proteins that resembles what is seen in humans and yeast with a dimer of REC114 like proteins wraps stabilizing a central Mei4 helix . This is now shown in Figure 3H, I. Satisfyingly, this modeling predicts that a trimer comprised of 2 DSB-1 proteins with DSB-3 is more stable than a DSB1-DSB-2-DSB-3 trimer. This might explain why DSB-2 is not required in young adults and only becomes essential as DSB-1 levels drop in older animals (Rosu et al., 2013)
(15) Can the authors introduce mutations within the DSB-1 interfaces that disrupt the interaction to either SPO-11 or DSB-2?
We have begun to address this question by introducing targeted mutations within DSB-1. As shown in Figure 3E and 3F, mutations in the C-terminal region of DSB-1—which includes a core of four α-helices—disrupt its interaction with DSB-2 and DSB-3, but not with SPO-11. These findings suggest that the C-terminus mediates interactions specifically with DSB2 and DSB-3
(16) Line 323 - The him-5 phenotypes are too weak to support the idea that it serves as the linchpin for the whole DSB complex. Do the authors have an explanation for why him-5 mutants exhibit X-chromosome-specific DSB defects?
In response to the reviewer, above, and in the text, we have included a more detailed explanation of why we think HIM-5 has a key role in coordinating meiotic break formation. Although, identified for its role on the X, the phenotypes associated with DSB formation in the mutant are really quite pleiotropic and severe.
(17) Line 436 - C. elegans lacks DSB hotspots.
Removed
Minor comments:
(1) Figure 1A - please show the raw data for the yeast two-hybrid.
We show representative yeast colonies in Figure S3.
(2) It looks like the labeling for Figure 1B and 1C are switched.
Fixed.
(3) Figure 1B - what does the red box indicate? Please explain it in the legend.
It indicates the XND-1 band. We added that information in the legend.
(4) Figure 1C - in the legend, it was noted that the results are from GFP pulldowns of HIM17::GFP. However, the method for Figure 1B and the method section noted that HIM-17 was tagged with 3xHA, and the pull-down was performed using anti-HA affinity matrix. Please reconcile this discrepancy.
That’s because they were done in two different sets of experiments. For the IPs we used a HIM-17::HA strain and for the MS, a HIM-17::GFP strain.
(5) Also in Figure 1C - please call Table S2 in the main text when discussing the mass spec results. Also, it is not clear what HIM-17 and GFP indicate in the table. What makes CKU80 different from the other proteins listed under GFP? Please explain more clearly in the legend.
We have move the table to supplemental data where we have included all of the peptide counts and gene coverage. We have included in the revised method rationale for inclusion in this table which explains why CKU-80 differs.
(6) Line 527 - it is unclear what experiment was done for HIM-17. Please revise it to indicate that this is for "HIM-17 immunoprecipitation". Also please indicate the strain used for HIM17 pull-down (AV280?).
(7) Line 113- please be specific about how the HIM-17 IP was performed. Which epitope and strains are used for pull-downs?
This indeed was AV280. This has been added to the text and methods.
(8) Figure 1D- What does ND mean? In the text, it was stated that there was only a minor suppression of hatching rates. The hatching rate for him-5p::him-5; him-17 must have been measured, and the data must be presented.
ND does mean not determined. We have removed the statement about “minor suppression”. We only tested the overall population dynamics in the Phim-5::him-5;him17(ok424) and the DAPI body counts. The failure to suppress the latter suggests there would be no enect on hatching rates, although we did not test this directly. Since we had done this for the Ppie-1::him-5;him-17 strain, we provided this information to further support the claims of genetic rescue by ectopic expression.
(9) Line 151 - please specify that STED was used.
We have removed the STED images, and just show the confocal images with Lightning Processing.
(10) Figure 1E- the authors suggested that HIM-17 and XND-1 mainly localize to autosomes but not the X chromosome. However, there is not enough evidence that the chromosome excluded from HIM-17 staining is indeed an X chromosome.
(11) Figure 1E (Line 154) - what are the active chromatin markers examined? Where are the data?
We have previously shown that the chromosome lacking XND-1 staining is the X (Wagner et al., 2010). The X is heterochromatic and chromatin marks associated with active transcription, including H3K4me3 and HTZ-1 (a variant H2A), preferentially localize to autosomes, effectively anti-marking the X chromosome. As shown in the new Figure 1E, a single chromosome has very little XND-1 and HIM-17 associated proteins. This is the X chromosome.
(12) Line 172 - It should be a comma instead of the period after "In dsb-1 mutants".
Fixed
(13) Figure S3H-K - I suggest the authors indicate the alleles of mre-11 (null vs. iow1) on the graph, similarly to him-5(e1490) to avoid confusion.
Done
(14) Lines 294 and 600 - Guo et al. 2022 is now published in eLife. The authors must cite the published paper, not the preprint.
Fixed
(15) Line 407 - the reference Carelli et al., 2022 is missing.
Added
(16) Line 766 - please remove "is" before nuclear.
Done
Reviewer #3 (Recommendations For The Authors):
Major issues:
In my view, the most interesting mechanistic finding in the paper is the evidence that HIM-5 may not bind to chromatin in the absence of DSB-1. If validated, this would suggest that HIM-5 is likely to be directly involved in a process that promotes break formation, in contrast to factors such as HIM-17 and XND-1. It does not, however, support the idea that HIM-5 is at the top of a hierarchy of DSB factors, as it is interpreted here. More importantly, the data supporting this claim are unconvincing; only a single image of an unfixed gonad from an animal expressing HIM-5::GFP is shown. Immunofluorescence should be performed and the results must be quantified.
We have provided additional images of the HIM-5 relocalization to show that we observed this in both fixed and live worms with two different tagged strains. The exclusion from the nucleus is seen in all scenarios. Whether the protein now accumulates exclusively in the cytoplasm/ is destabilized is challenging to address with the fixed images due to the arbitrariness of defining “background” staining.
More generally, this type of analysis, looking at the interdependence of different factors for their association with chromosomes, is much more informative than the genetic interaction data presented in the paper, which does not seem to provide any mechanistic insights into the functions of the factors analyzed. The paper could potentially be greatly improved through a more extensive, systematic analysis of the interdependence of DSBpromoting factors for their localization to chromosomes.
We have at least added this for XND-1 and HIM-17 and show they are not interdependent for chromosome association. We also provide for the first time data on the localization of HIM-5 in the dsb-1 mutant. Many of the other interactions have already been shown in the literature and/or were not warranted base on the lack of genetic interaction we present here.
Minor issues:
The title is vague and inconclusive. A more concrete title summarizing the major findings would help readers to assess whether the work is of interest.
We have discussed the title extensively with all authors and all would like to keep the current title.
The authors claim that the expression of HIM-5 from a different promoter (Ppie-1::him-5) but not its endogenous promoter (Phim-5::him-5) can partially rescue the DSB defect in him-17 mutants. To support this claim, they should really quantify the germline expression of HIM-5 in wild-type, him-17, him-17; Ppie-1::him-5, and Phim-5::him-5; him-17.
We had previously reported the expression in the N2 background of both transgenes (McClendon et al., 2016)
Panel O appears to be missing from Figure S3.
Fixed
The evidence for chromosome fusions in cep-1; mre-11 mutants shown in S4D is not convincing and the claim should be removed unless stronger evidence can be obtained.
A clearer image has been added
The basis of the following statement is unclear: "Furthermore, rec-1;him-5 double mutants give an age-dependent severe loss of DSBs (like dsb-2 mutants) suggesting that the ancestral function of the protein may have a more profound effect on break formation." The manuscript does not seem to include data regarding age-dependent loss of DSBs and no other publication is cited to support this claim. The interpretation is also perplexing; I think that it may be predicated on the idea that REC-1 and HIM-5 are paralogs, but as stated above, this claim is not well supported and is likely specious.
We have added the reference. This was shown in Chung et al., 2013 – the paper that presented the cloning of the rec-1 locus.
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Dossier d'Information : La Méthode Réconciliations
Résumé
La méthode "Réconciliations" est une approche pédagogique innovante, conçue par Jérémie Fontanieu, professeur de sciences économiques et sociales (SES), et son ancien collègue David Benoit, professeur de mathématiques au lycée de Drancy.
Née en 2012 du constat de la démotivation des élèves, de l'épuisement des enseignants et de la rupture de communication entre l'école et les familles, cette méthode repose sur un principe fondamental : la création d'une alliance solide et proactive entre les professeurs et les parents.
Le protocole s'articule autour de deux piliers : un appel téléphonique à chaque famille avant même la rentrée scolaire pour établir un contact de confiance, suivi de l'envoi d'un SMS individualisé et hebdomadaire pour maintenir un dialogue constant tout au long de l'année.
En transformant les parents en "alliés indéfectibles", la méthode change la dynamique de la classe.
Les élèves, conscients de cette communication permanente, deviennent plus engagés et responsables, ce qui enclenche un cercle vertueux de progrès, d'encouragements et de réussite.
Les résultats sont probants : la classe de Jérémie Fontanieu affiche 100% de réussite au baccalauréat depuis l'année scolaire 2017-2018.
Au-delà des performances académiques, la méthode réduit considérablement le temps consacré à la discipline, diminue le sentiment d'isolement des professeurs et réconcilie les enseignants avec leur métier.
Développée de manière indépendante, sans soutien institutionnel, la méthode se diffuse via un collectif d'enseignants qui comptait 350 membres pour l'année 2023/2024, avec un objectif de 1000 participants.
Flexible, elle est appliquée avec succès de l'école primaire au lycée, dans des contextes socio-économiques variés, des zones prioritaires aux centres-villes et zones rurales.
1. Genèse et Contexte de la Méthode
La méthode Réconciliations est née d'une série de constats alarmants sur l'état du système éducatif, particulièrement exacerbés dans des contextes socio-économiques difficiles comme la Seine-Saint-Denis.
A. Les constats initiaux
Jérémie Fontanieu identifie plusieurs sources de frustration et d'échec qui ont motivé le développement de son approche :
• L'épuisement et le désespoir des enseignants : Particulièrement chez les plus jeunes, un sentiment d'abandon par l'institution face à la "violence de ce métier" et une impuissance face à des adolescents qui "gâchent leur potentiel".
Les professeurs se sentent seuls à porter toutes les responsabilités.
• La démotivation des élèves : Souvent "accros aux écrans et aux réseaux sociaux", les élèves manquent d'implication dans leur scolarité, ce qui accroît la frustration de leurs professeurs.
Ils ont "la flemme" ou manquent de confiance en eux.
• La rupture entre parents et enseignants : Une distance, voire une confrontation, entre ces deux pôles éducatifs, marquée par des "quiproquos et des failles" que les élèves exploitent.
Les parents, souvent tenus à l'écart, reçoivent des informations partielles de leurs enfants.
Les appels de l'école sont quasi systématiquement perçus comme des annonces de mauvaises nouvelles.
• Le sentiment d'abandon généralisé : En Seine-Saint-Denis, élèves et parents se sentent délaissés par l'Éducation nationale et la République, percevant l'école comme une "machine à broyer" incapable de les intégrer.
Ce sentiment est également partagé par les enseignants face à la pénurie structurelle, les faibles salaires et la dégradation des conditions de travail.
B. La déconstruction du "Mythe du prof héros"
Jérémie Fontanieu, dans son livre Le Mythe du prof héros, analyse une construction culturelle qu'il juge toxique.
Ce mythe, hérité des "hussards noirs de la République" du XIXe siècle, place l'enseignant sur un piédestal et lui attribue des capacités extraordinaires.
• Un mythe à double tranchant : Si l'idée de valoriser les professeurs est belle en apparence, elle conduit les parents à se décharger entièrement sur l'enseignant ("les laisser gérer").
• Une source de culpabilité : Pour les professeurs, cette attente irréaliste engendre un "sentiment de culpabilité de ne pas réussir à être à la hauteur du mythe".
• Un frein à l'implication parentale : Ce mythe dissuade les parents de s'impliquer, alors même qu'ils ont un rôle crucial à jouer.
Fontanieu insiste sur le fait que l'implication parentale n'est pas forcément intellectuelle mais relève de "l'attention morale", du soutien aux valeurs d'honnêteté et de courage, communes à l'éducation parentale et scolaire.
2. Principes Fondamentaux et Mécanisme Opérationnel
La méthode Réconciliations repose sur une stratégie de co-éducation proactive, simple et structurée, visant à faire des parents des partenaires centraux du processus éducatif.
A. Le socle : l'alliance parents-professeurs
L'idée centrale est de "nouer le dialogue" entre professeurs et parents pour créer un binôme solide.
En informant systématiquement les parents, l'enseignant change de statut aux yeux des élèves.
Ces derniers, réalisant que leurs parents et professeurs "sont devenus des amis", ne peuvent plus exploiter le manque de communication.
B. Le mécanisme en deux temps
La méthode s'appuie sur deux actions clés, mises en œuvre dès le début de l'année scolaire.
Étape
Description
Objectifs
1. L'appel téléphonique initial
L'enseignant contacte chaque famille personnellement "le 31 août ou le 1er septembre", avant même qu'un problème ne survienne.
2. Les SMS hebdomadaires
Chaque semaine, un SMS individualisé est envoyé à chaque famille pour l'informer du comportement et du travail de l'enfant, "y compris lorsqu’il n’y a pas de problème".
Jérémie Fontanieu souligne que cette approche est "contre-intuitive" car elle demande un investissement de travail supplémentaire en début d'année, mais que ce temps est "largement rentabilisé" par la suite.
3. Impacts et Résultats Observés
La mise en place de la méthode Réconciliations génère des effets positifs et mesurables sur l'ensemble des acteurs du système éducatif : élèves, enseignants et parents.
A. Sur les élèves
• Engagement accru : Constatant l'alliance entre parents et professeurs, les élèves deviennent "moins passifs et plus engagés" et prennent leurs responsabilités.
• Cercle vertueux de la réussite : L'investissement croissant des élèves entraîne des progrès, qui sont salués par les adultes (parents et professeurs).
Ces encouragements renforcent à leur tour l'implication, créant "une dynamique de réussite, de confiance et d'espoir pour tous".
• Amélioration des résultats scolaires : Depuis l'année scolaire 2017-2018, la classe de terminale de Jérémie Fontanieu affiche un taux de 100% de réussite au baccalauréat.
Les élèves terminent le programme en avance, ce qui leur laisse "beaucoup de temps pour réviser".
• Gain de confiance : La méthode permet aux élèves de réussir "là où ils pensaient ne pas en être capable", ce qui les encourage à poursuivre des études supérieures.
B. Sur les enseignants
• Réduction de la charge disciplinaire : Le partenariat avec les parents diminue les comportements perturbateurs. C'est "de l'énergie dépenser en moins à faire sa discipline".
• Fin de l'isolement : Les professeurs ne se sentent plus seuls à tout porter sur leurs épaules.
Ils trouvent un soutien précieux chez les parents, qui deviennent des "alliés indéfectibles" les protégeant des "violences du métier".
• Réconciliation avec le métier : La méthode permet aux enseignants de se consacrer à leur cœur de métier : l'enseignement. Jérémie Fontanieu évoque "une réconciliation entre nous, enseignants, et notre métier".
• Gestion du temps optimisée : Bien que l'approche puisse sembler chronophage, elle fait en réalité gagner "beaucoup de temps" en réduisant les conflits et en augmentant l'implication des élèves.
C. Sur les parents
• Partenaires actifs : Les parents deviennent des "acteurs clés" et des partenaires fiables, intégrés au processus éducatif.
• Influence positive : Ils réalisent l'influence qu'ils peuvent avoir, même sans compétences académiques spécifiques. Leur rôle est un levier d'attention morale et de soutien.
• Relation apaisée avec l'école : La communication régulière et positive transforme la relation, qui n'est plus basée sur la crainte des mauvaises nouvelles.
4. Le Collectif "Réconciliations" : Diffusion et Organisation
La méthode, initialement expérimentale, est aujourd'hui portée par un collectif d'enseignants en pleine croissance, qui fonctionne sur un modèle horizontal et indépendant.
A. Historique et croissance
• Développement : La méthode a été développée à partir de 2012 au lycée Eugène Delacroix de Drancy.
• Création du collectif : Après avoir constaté des résultats "suffisamment forts", le collectif est créé en 2021 pour partager la méthode.
• Expansion rapide : Le collectif est passé de 200 enseignants à 350 pour l'année 2023-2024, avec des projections autour de 500 pour 2024-2025.
• Objectif : Atteindre une masse critique de 1000 enseignants pour passer à une phase de diffusion à plus grande échelle via un site internet et un manuel.
B. Philosophie et indépendance
Le collectif revendique une indépendance totale et refuse "aucun soutien institutionnel". Jérémie Fontanieu explique ce choix : "Nous utilisons notre liberté pédagogique.
Nous sommes indépendants, et nous sommes très attachés à la diffusion horizontale de cette méthode, de professeur à professeur.
Nous grandissons plus lentement sans l’aide de l’État, mais de manière plus saine". La diffusion se fait principalement par le bouche-à-oreille.
C. Portée et applicabilité
La méthode Réconciliations démontre une grande flexibilité et s'adapte à divers contextes :
• Niveaux scolaires : Elle est appliquée de l'école primaire (CM2) jusqu'au lycée.
• Contextes géographiques et sociaux : Si elle est née en "quartier populaire", environ la moitié des enseignants qui l'utilisent travaillent en zones rurales ou dans des établissements de centre-ville, prouvant sa pertinence au-delà des zones d'éducation prioritaire.
5. Accès à la Méthode et Ressources Disponibles
Pour préserver la qualité de l'accompagnement, l'accès à la méthode est actuellement contrôlé par son fondateur en attendant que le collectif atteigne sa taille cible.
• Comment participer : Les enseignants intéressés doivent contacter directement Jérémie Fontanieu par email à l'adresse projet.reconciliations@gmail.com.
Les détails de la méthode restent "assez secrets" et ne sont pas communiqués publiquement pour le moment.
• Outils de soutien pour les membres : Les professeurs qui rejoignent le collectif ont accès à un ensemble d'outils pratiques :
• Ressources publiques : Pour en savoir plus sur la philosophie de la méthode, le public peut consulter :
considerar extremos
no se debería sacar el caso extremo y hacer nuevamente la correlación?
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Santé Mentale et Handicap : Synthèse de l'Audition de la Défenseure des droits
Résumé Exécutif
Ce document de synthèse présente les constats et analyses clés issus de l'audition de Claire Hédon, Défenseure des droits, devant la commission d'enquête sur les défaillances des politiques publiques en matière de santé mentale et de handicap. L'audition révèle une divergence critique entre les droits proclamés par la loi et leur application effective sur le terrain. Le handicap demeure le premier motif de saisine pour discrimination, signalant des failles systémiques dans des domaines essentiels tels que l'éducation, l'emploi et l'accessibilité. La situation de la santé mentale est jugée particulièrement alarmante, avec un système de soins insuffisant et cloisonné pour les adultes, et des conditions critiques pour les mineurs marqués par des délais d'attente insoutenables et des pratiques d'hospitalisation inadaptées. La Défenseure des droits soutient que le non-respect des droits fondamentaux, loin d'être une économie, engendre un coût social et financier élevé à long terme. La collecte de données fiables, l'application rigoureuse des textes existants et une approche décloisonnée sont identifiées comme des leviers indispensables pour remédier à ces défaillances.
1. Le Défenseur des droits : Un Observatoire des Défaillances Systémiques
L'institution du Défenseur des droits, par ses cinq domaines de compétence (droits des usagers des services publics, lutte contre les discriminations, droits de l'enfant, déontologie de la sécurité, protection des lanceurs d'alerte), constitue un observateur privilégié des carences des politiques publiques relatives au handicap et à la santé mentale.
Le Handicap comme Premier Motif de Discrimination
Claire Hédon souligne que le handicap est, depuis plusieurs années, le premier motif de saisine en matière de discrimination, ce qui témoigne de difficultés persistantes et généralisées.
• Statistiques Clés (2024) :
◦ Total des saisines pour discrimination : 5 679 ◦ Part concernant le handicap : 22 % (soit 1 249 réclamations)
Ces discriminations s'exercent dans de multiples domaines : emploi, scolarisation, accès à la santé, à la justice, aux loisirs, au sport et à la culture.
Le Coût du Non-Respect des Droits
La Défenseure des droits conteste l'idée selon laquelle l'application des droits fondamentaux représenterait un coût financier excessif. Elle affirme sa conviction que "c'est le non-respect des droits fondamentaux qui entraînera à terme un coût élevé pour la société". L'approche de l'institution se concentre sur "l'écart entre le droit annoncé et son effectivité", soulignant que les défaillances actuelles génèrent un coût social majeur.
2. La Santé Mentale : Une Crise des Droits Fondamentaux
L'audition met en lumière une crise profonde dans la prise en charge de la santé mentale en France, exacerbée par la crise sanitaire du Covid-19. Les politiques publiques sont jugées insuffisantes tant en quantité qu'en organisation.
2.1. Prise en Charge des Adultes : Un Système Insuffisant et Cloisonné
Le système de soins pour adultes souffre de faiblesses structurelles majeures :
• Offre de soins : Des offres trop faibles, des capacités d'hospitalisation limitées et des déserts médicaux.
• Organisation : Un système mal organisé et cloisonné entre les secteurs sanitaire et médico-social.
• Ressources : Des moyens qui stagnent alors que les besoins augmentent, rendant les conditions d'exercice indignes pour les soignants et les patients.
Conséquences pour les patients :
• Délais d'attente excessifs.
• Ruptures de soins fréquentes et errance sanitaire.
• Inégalités territoriales criantes, pénalisant particulièrement les personnes précaires.
Focus : La Situation Critique des Personnes Détenues
La santé mentale des personnes détenues est une préoccupation majeure, avec une surreprésentation des pathologies et troubles mentaux en milieu carcéral.
• Appels à la plateforme (3141) de juillet 2024 à juillet 2025 :
◦ 7,6 % des appels concernaient des difficultés d'accès aux soins (1 065 appels). ◦ 106 appels portaient spécifiquement sur un risque suicidaire.
Causes identifiées :
1. La politique de désinstitutionnalisation : Menée sans un développement suffisant des services de proximité pour prendre le relais des services hospitaliers psychiatriques.
2. La diminution des déclarations d'irresponsabilité pénale : Conduisant au maintien en détention de personnes dont l'état de santé nécessiterait une prise en charge dans une structure de soins.
La Cour européenne des droits de l'homme (arrêt GC c. France, 2012) a qualifié cette situation de "traitement inhumain". Le manque de continuité des soins à la sortie de prison augmente par ailleurs le risque de récidive.
2.2. Santé Mentale des Mineurs : Une Situation Alarmante
Les données concernant la santé mentale des jeunes sont particulièrement inquiétantes. Une étude de 2025 (Institut Montaigne, Mutualité française, Institut Terram) révèle que 25 % des jeunes de 15 à 29 ans souffrent de dépression, un chiffre atteignant 39 % en outre-mer.
Carences Structurelles de la Pédopsychiatrie
• Absence de données fiables : Le manque de données agrégées sur le nombre d'enfants en attente de prise en charge "fragilise le pilotage de nos politiques publiques". Le rapport 2023 de la Cour des comptes estime que sur 1,6 million d'enfants souffrant d'un trouble psychique, seuls 50 à 53 % bénéficient de soins.
• Pénurie de médecins et inégalités territoriales : Malgré des infrastructures dans la moyenne européenne, le secteur est saturé. Les Centres Médico-Psychologiques (CMP) sont inégalement répartis, et les délais pour obtenir un premier rendez-vous dépassent souvent un an.
Pratiques Inadaptées et Atteintes aux Libertés
Des pratiques préoccupantes sont régulièrement signalées :
• Hospitalisation en services pour adultes : Des enfants et adolescents sont hospitalisés dans des services de psychiatrie adulte, une situation qui "ne fait que s'aggraver".
• Maintien par défaut : Des jeunes en situation de handicap sont maintenus en structure psychiatrique faute de places dans le secteur médico-social ou en protection de l'enfance.
• Recours à l'isolement et à la contention : Ces mesures de dernier recours sont utilisées de manière trop fréquente, souvent motivées par un manque de personnel. Pour les mineurs hospitalisés en "soins libres" (à la demande des parents mais sans leur propre consentement), il n'existe aucun contrôle systématique par un juge des libertés et de la détention (JLD), contrairement aux adultes.
Exemple emblématique : Une adolescente de 15 ans, atteinte d'autisme sévère, a été hospitalisée pendant plus de deux ans dans un service psychiatrique pour adultes, sans justification médicale. Elle était confinée dans une chambre d'isolement "plus de 20 heures par jour", déscolarisée et privée de soins somatiques essentiels.
3. Politiques du Handicap : Des Droits Proclamés mais Non Effectifs
Vingt ans après la loi de 2005, son application reste partielle et les obstacles à l'inclusion demeurent nombreux.
3.1. Éducation : Une Inclusion Inachevée
Bien que la loi de 2005 ait permis une augmentation du nombre d'enfants handicapés scolarisés, l'accès à une éducation de qualité reste difficile.
Catégorie de réclamation (2024)
Chiffres et pourcentages
Discrimination liée à l'éducation/formation
7 % des 5 679 saisines
Droits de l'enfant (majorité liée à la scolarisation)
30 % des 3 073 saisines
Obstacles persistants :
• Manque d'AESH : Malgré les créations de postes, les besoins ne sont pas couverts.
• Pause méridienne : La loi du 27 mai 2024 prévoyant la prise en charge par l'État de l'accompagnement sur le temps de la pause méridienne est "très loin d'être effective" en raison de blocages administratifs.
• Aménagement des examens : Une augmentation inquiétante des refus d'aménagement pour des élèves ou étudiants handicapés, parfois sous le prétexte paradoxal que "leurs résultats étaient bons".
3.2. Emploi : Premier Domaine de Discrimination
L'emploi est le principal secteur où s'exercent les discriminations liées au handicap. Sur les réclamations pour handicap en 2024, 21 % concernent l'emploi privé et 24 % l'emploi public. L'obligation d'emploi de 6 % ne suffit pas à garantir l'égalité de traitement.
Difficultés récurrentes :
• Aménagement tardif du poste de travail.
• Non-respect des préconisations du médecin du travail.
• Difficultés accrues dans le maintien dans l'emploi pour les personnes dont le handicap ou la maladie survient en cours de carrière.
3.3. Accessibilité : Un Retard Persistant
L'accessibilité, condition essentielle à la participation sociale, reste un point faible majeur.
• Transports : L'objectif de mise en accessibilité n'est pas atteint, la loi s'étant limitée aux "points d'arrêt prioritaires".
• Logement : Inquiétude face à l'assouplissement des règles d'accessibilité (loi ELAN).
• Numérique : La dématérialisation produit des effets ambivalents. Selon l'ARCOM, peu de sites publics atteignent 50 % d'accessibilité et seulement 5 % sont totalement conformes.
3.4. Aides à l'autonomie : Une Compensation Insuffisante et Inégale
Le droit à la compensation instauré par la loi de 2005 présente des limites flagrantes.
• La barrière des 60 ans : Une différence de traitement persiste selon que le handicap survient avant ou après 60 ans, la fusion des régimes prévue pour 2010 n'ayant jamais eu lieu.
• Limites de la PCH (Prestation de Compensation du Handicap) :
◦ L'aide humaine est limitée aux besoins essentiels. ◦ Les aides techniques sont sous-financées. ◦ La PCH parentalité est critiquée pour ses critères restrictifs.
4. Recommandations et Perspectives
L'audition se conclut sur plusieurs axes d'action prioritaires pour remédier aux défaillances constatées.
• Application des textes : L'urgence est "l'application pure et simple des textes votés par le Parlement", dont beaucoup sont en attente de décrets d'application.
• Données statistiques : Il est impératif de disposer de données fiables et agrégées (ex : nombre d'heures de scolarisation effectives, nombre de places manquantes en IME) pour piloter les politiques publiques.
• Décloisonnement : Renforcer la coordination entre les secteurs sanitaire, médico-social, éducatif et judiciaire est crucial pour assurer la fluidité des parcours.
• Priorité à la jeunesse : La santé mentale des jeunes, érigée en grande cause nationale 2025, nécessite une "véritable prise de conscience collective" et des moyens financiers adéquats, notamment pour les CMP.
• Formation : L'amélioration de la formation des professionnels (enseignants, AESH, employeurs, soignants) est essentielle pour faire évoluer les pratiques et les cultures professionnelles.
• Lutte contre la complexité administrative : Le "mille-feuille" des dispositifs doit être simplifié pour améliorer la lisibilité et l'accès aux droits pour les familles.
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O Tribunal fixou a seguinte tese: - 1. A imunidade material parlamentar (art. 53, caput, c/c art. 27, § 1º, e art. 29, VIII, CF/1988) configura excludente da responsabilidade civil objetiva do Estado (art. 37, § 6º, CF/1988), afastando qualquer pretensão indenizatória em face do ente público por opiniões, palavras e votos cobertos por essa garantia.
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<u>HEMENÊUTICA CONSTITUCIONAL</u>
MÉTODO TÓPICO-PROBLEMÁTICO - Fonte: A Tópica e a Argumentação Jurídica, por Thomas da Rosa de Bustamante
Marco no Pensamento Jurídico: A obra Tópica e Jurisprudência (1953) rompeu com o positivismo dominante, que via o jurista como um mero aplicador da lei.
Crítica ao Positivismo: Em um contexto pós-guerra, a Tópica surgiu como resposta à incapacidade do positivismo de lidar com juízos de valor de forma racional. Viehweg buscou recuperar a razão prática para controlar a racionalidade das decisões.
Pensamento Sistemático: Parte de um sistema fechado para deduzir soluções. A prioridade é o sistema.
Pensamento Tópico: Parte do problema concreto (aporia) para buscar, em vários sistemas, a melhor solução. A prioridade é o problema.
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Críticas:
terras tradicionalmente ocupadas
Demarcação de terras tradicionalmente indígenas: desnecessidade de um marco temporal como parâmetro à declaração do direito originário territorial
Tese fixada - I - A demarcação consiste em procedimento declaratório do direito originário territorial à posse das terras ocupadas tradicionalmente por comunidade indígena;
II - <u>A posse tradicional indígena é distinta da posse civil</u>, consistindo na ocupação das terras habitadas em caráter permanente pelos indígenas, nas utilizadas para suas atividades produtivas, nas imprescindíveis à preservação dos recursos ambientais necessários a seu bem-estar e nas necessárias a sua reprodução física e cultural, segundo seus usos, costumes e tradições, nos termos do § 1º do artigo 231 do texto constitucional;
III - A proteção constitucional aos direitos originários sobre as terras que tradicionalmente ocupam independe da existência de um marco temporal em 05 de outubro de 1988 ou da configuração do renitente esbulho, como conflito físico ou controvérsia judicial persistente à data da promulgação da Constituição;
IV – Existindo ocupação tradicional indígena ou renitente esbulho contemporâneo à promulgação da Constituição Federal, aplica-se o regime indenizatório relativo às benfeitorias úteis e necessárias, previsto no § 6º do art. 231 da CF/88;
V – Ausente ocupação tradicional indígena ao tempo da promulgação da Constituição Federal ou renitente esbulho na data da promulgação da Constituição, são válidos e eficazes, produzindo todos os seus efeitos, os atos e negócios jurídicos perfeitos e a coisa julgada relativos a justo título ou posse de boa-fé das terras de ocupação tradicional indígena, assistindo ao particular direito à justa e prévia indenização das benfeitorias necessárias e úteis, pela União; e, quando inviável o reassentamento dos particulares, caberá a eles indenização pela União (com direito de regresso em face do ente federativo que titulou a área) correspondente ao valor da terra nua, paga em dinheiro ou em títulos da dívida agrária, se for do interesse do beneficiário, e processada em autos apartados do procedimento de demarcação, com pagamento imediato da parte incontroversa, garantido o direito de retenção até o pagamento do valor incontroverso, permitidos a autocomposição e o regime do § 6º do art. 37 da CF;
VI – Descabe indenização em casos já pacificados, decorrentes de terras indígenas já reconhecidas e declaradas em procedimento demarcatório, ressalvados os casos judicializados e em andamento;
VII – É dever da União efetivar o procedimento demarcatório das terras indígenas, sendo admitida a formação de áreas reservadas somente diante da absoluta impossibilidade de concretização da ordem constitucional de demarcação, devendo ser ouvida, em todo caso, a comunidade indígena, buscando-se, se necessário, a autocomposição entre os respectivos entes federativos para a identificação das terras necessárias à formação das áreas reservadas, tendo sempre em vista a busca do interesse público e a paz social, bem como a proporcional compensação às comunidades indígenas (art. 16.4 da Convenção 169 OIT);
VIII – A instauração de procedimento de redimensionamento de terra indígena não é vedada em caso de descumprimento dos elementos contidos no artigo 231 da Constituição da República, por meio de pedido de revisão do procedimento demarcatório apresentado até o prazo de cinco anos da demarcação anterior, sendo necessário comprovar grave e insanável erro na condução do procedimento administrativo ou na definição dos limites da terra indígena, ressalvadas as ações judiciais em curso e os pedidos de revisão já instaurados até a data de conclusão deste julgamento;
IX - O laudo antropológico realizado nos termos do Decreto nº 1.775/1996 é um dos elementos fundamentais para a demonstração da tradicionalidade da ocupação de comunidade indígena determinada, de acordo com seus usos, costumes e tradições, na forma do instrumento normativo citado;
X - As terras de ocupação tradicional indígena são de posse permanente da comunidade, cabendo aos indígenas o usufruto exclusivo das riquezas do solo, dos rios e lagos nelas existentes;
XI - As terras de ocupação tradicional indígena, na qualidade de terras públicas, são inalienáveis, indisponíveis e os direitos sobre elas imprescritíveis;
XII – A ocupação tradicional das terras indígenas é compatível com a tutela constitucional do meio ambiente, sendo assegurado o exercício das atividades tradicionais dos povos indígenas;
XIII – Os povos indígenas possuem capacidade civil e postulatória, sendo partes legítimas nos processos em que discutidos seus interesses, sem prejuízo, nos termos da lei, da legitimidade concorrente da FUNAI e da intervenção do Ministério Público como fiscal da lei.”
Resumo - O reconhecimento do direito às terras tradicionalmente ocupadas pelos indígenas não se sujeita ao marco temporal da promulgação da Constituição Federal (5/10/1988) nem à presença de conflito físico ou controvérsia judicial existentes nessa mesma data.
Em mudança de posicionamento jurisprudencial, esta Corte concluiu pela inaplicabilidade da teoria do fato indígena e pela prevalência da teoria do indigenato, segundo a qual a posse dos indígenas sobre as terras configura um direito próprio dos povos originários e cuja tradicionalidade da ocupação deve ser considerada conforme os parâmetros expressamente previstos no texto constitucional (CF/1988, art. 231, §§ 1º e 2º).
Se houver ocupação tradicional indígena ou renitente esbulho contemporâneo à data de promulgação da Constituição Federal de 1988, são assegurados aos não índios o direito à indenização pelas benfeitorias úteis e necessárias (CF/1988, art. 231, § 6º). Porém, na hipótese de inexistir quaisquer dessas situações, consideram-se válidos e eficazes os atos e negócios jurídicos perfeitos e a coisa julgada relativos a justo título ou posse de boa-fé das terras de ocupação tradicional indígena. Neste caso, o particular tem direito a ser previamente indenizado pela União ao valor correspondente às benfeitorias necessárias e úteis, ou, quando inviável o seu reassentamento, ao valor da terra nua (1).
Com base nesses e em outros entendimentos, o Plenário, por maioria, ao apreciar o Tema 1.031 da repercussão geral, deu provimento ao recurso extraordinário para anular o acórdão recorrido e reformar a sentença de primeiro grau, julgando, por conseguinte, improcedentes os pedidos deduzidos na petição inicial.
São nulos e extintos
A Constituição expressamente declarou a nulidade absoluta de títulos de propriedade ou de exploração de riquezas em terras tradicionalmente ocupados pelos índios.
Veja que, conforme art. 68 ADCT e art. 13 do Decreto nº 4.887/2003, essa proteção não abarca terras ocupadas por quilombolas e demais populações tradicionais. Acaso haja domínio particular sobre essas áreas, deve-se proceder com a desapropriação da área.
Art. 68
AÇÃO DIRETA DE INCONSTITUCIONALIDADE. DIREITO CONSTITUCIONAL E ADMINISTRATIVO. REGULARIZAÇÃO FUNDIÁRIA DAS TERRAS DE DOMÍNIO DA UNIÃO NA AMAZÔNIA LEGAL. IMPUGNAÇÃO AOS ARTIGOS 4º, §2º, 13, 15, INCISO I, §§ 2º, 4º E 5º, DA LEI Nº 11.952/2009. PREJUÍZO PARCIAL DA AÇÃO. ALTERAÇÃO SUBSTANCIAL E REVOGAÇÃO DE DISPOSITIVOS PROMOVIDA POR LEI SUPERVENIENTE. ADEQUADA PROTEÇÃO ÀS TERRAS QUILOMBOLAS E DE OUTRAS COMUNIDADES TRADICIONAIS AMAZÔNICAS. INCONSTITUCIONALIDADE DA INTERPRETAÇÃO QUE CONCEDE ESSAS TERRAS A TERCEIROS. INTERPRETAÇÃO CONFORME À CONSTITUIÇÃO. ARTIGOS 216, INCISO II, DO TEXTO CONSTITUCIONAL E 68 DO ADCT. AUSÊNCIA DE VISTORIA PRÉVIA NA REGULARIZAÇÃO DE IMÓVEIS DE ATÉ QUATRO MÓDULOS FISCAIS. PROTEÇÃO DEFICIENTE AO MEIO AMBIENTE SE DESACOMPANHADA DE MEIOS EFICAZES PARA FISCALIZAÇÃO DOS REQUISITOS DE INGRESSO NO PROGRAMA TERRA LEGAL. INTERPRETAÇÃO CONFORME À CONSTITUIÇÃO. RESPEITO AO ARTIGO 225, CAPUT, DA CONSTITUIÇÃO. - 1. Há prejuízo parcial da ação direta de inconstitucionalidade quando lei superveniente promova alteração substancial ou revogue dispositivo impugnado em demanda de controle concentrado, conforme jurisprudência pacífica desta Corte. No caso, a superveniência da Lei nº 13.465, de 11 de julho de 2017, alterou a redação do artigo 15, inciso I e §2º, bem como revogou expressamente seus §§ 4º e 5º, circunstância que impede o conhecimento da ação, no ponto. - 2. O direito ao meio ambiente equilibrado foi assegurado pela Constituição da República, em seu artigo 225, bem como em diversos compromissos internacionais do Estado Brasileiro. A região amazônica, dada a diversidade biológica, cultural, etnográfica e geológica, mereceu tutela especial do constituinte, tornando-se imperiosa a observância do desenvolvimento sustentável na região, conjugando a proteção à natureza e a sobrevivência humana nas áreas objeto de regularização fundiária.
4. O artigo 4º, §2º da Lei nº 11.952/2009 vai de encontro à proteção adequada das terras dos remanescentes de comunidades quilombolas e das demais comunidades tradicionais amazônicas, ao permitir interpretação que possibilite a regularização dessas áreas em desfavor do modo de apropriação de território por esses grupos, sendo necessária interpretação conforme aos artigos 216, I da Constituição e 68 do ADCT, para assegurar a relação específica entre comunidade, identidade e terra que caracteriza os povos tradicionais.
5. Exige interpretação conforme à Constituição a previsão do artigo 13 da Lei nº 11.952/2009, ao dispensar a vistoria prévia nos imóveis rurais de até quatro módulos fiscais, a fim de que essa medida de desburocratização do procedimento seja somada à utilização de todos os meios eficazes de fiscalização do meio ambiente, como forma de tutela à biodiversidade e inclusão social dos pequenos proprietários que exercem cultura efetiva na área.
6. Ação Direta de Inconstitucionalidade conhecida parcialmente e, na parte conhecida, julgada parcialmente procedente.
Legislação LEG-FED ADCT ANO-1988 ART-00068 ATO DAS DISPOSIÇÕES CONSTITUCIONAIS TRANSITÓRIAS
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AÇÃO DIRETA DE INCONSTITUCIONALIDADE. DECRETO Nº 4.887/2003. PROCEDIMENTO PARA IDENTIFICAÇÃO, RECONHECIMENTO, DELIMITAÇÃO, DEMARCAÇÃO E TITULAÇÃO DAS TERRAS OCUPADAS POR REMANESCENTES DAS COMUNIDADES DOS QUILOMBOS. ATO NORMATIVO AUTÔNOMO. ART. 68 DO ADCT. DIREITO FUNDAMENTAL. EFICÁCIA PLENA E IMEDIATA. INVASÃO DA ESFERA RESERVADA A LEI. ART. 84, IV E VI, "A", DA CF. INCONSTITUCIONALIDADE FORMAL. INOCORRÊNCIA. CRITÉRIO DE IDENTIFICAÇÃO. AUTOATRIBUIÇÃO. TERRAS OCUPADAS. DESAPROPRIAÇÃO. ART. 2º, CAPUT E §§ 1º, 2º E 3º, E ART. 13, CAPUT E § 2º, DO DECRETO Nº 4.887/2003. INCONSTITUCIONALIDADE MATERIAL. INOCORRÊNCIA. IMPROCEDÊNCIA DA AÇÃO. - 1. Ato normativo autônomo, a retirar diretamente da Constituição da República o seu fundamento de validade, o Decreto nº 4.887/2003 apresenta densidade normativa suficiente a credenciá-lo ao controle abstrato de constitucionalidade. - 2. Inocorrente a invocada ausência de cotejo analítico na petição inicial entre o ato normativo atacado e os preceitos da Constituição tidos como malferidos, uma vez expressamente indicados e esgrimidas as razões da insurgência. - 3. Não obsta a cognição da ação direta a falta de impugnação de ato jurídico revogado pela norma tida como inconstitucional, supostamente padecente do mesmo vício, que se teria por repristinada. Cabe à Corte, ao delimitar a eficácia da sua decisão, se o caso, excluir dos efeitos da decisão declaratória eventual efeito repristinatório quando constatada incompatibilidade com a ordem constitucional. - 4. O art. 68 do ADCT assegura o direito dos remanescentes das comunidades dos quilombos de ver reconhecida pelo Estado a propriedade sobre as terras que histórica e tradicionalmente ocupam – direito fundamental de grupo étnico-racial minoritário dotado de eficácia plena e aplicação imediata. Nele definidos o titular (remanescentes das comunidades dos quilombos), o objeto (terras por eles ocupadas), o conteúdo (direito de propriedade), a condição (ocupação tradicional), o sujeito passivo (Estado) e a obrigação específica (emissão de títulos), mostra-se apto o art. 68 do ADCT a produzir todos os seus efeitos, independentemente de integração legislativa. - 5. Disponíveis à atuação integradora tão-somente os aspectos do art. 68 do ADCT que dizem com a regulamentação do comportamento do Estado na implementação do comando constitucional, não se identifica, na edição do Decreto 4.887/2003 pelo Poder Executivo, mácula aos postulados da legalidade e da reserva de lei. Improcedência do pedido de declaração de inconstitucionalidade formal por ofensa ao art. 84, IV e VI, da Constituição da República. - 6. O compromisso do Constituinte com a construção de uma sociedade livre, justa e solidária e com a redução das desigualdades sociais (art. 3º, I e III, da CF) conduz, no tocante ao reconhecimento da propriedade das terras ocupadas pelos remanescentes das comunidades dos quilombos, à convergência das dimensões da luta pelo reconhecimento – expressa no fator de determinação da identidade distintiva de grupo étnico-cultural – e da demanda por justiça socioeconômica, de caráter redistributivo – compreendida no fator de medição e demarcação das terras. - 7. Incorporada ao direito interno brasileiro, a Convenção 169 da Organização Internacional do Trabalho – OIT sobre Povos Indígenas e Tribais, consagra a "consciência da própria identidade" como critério para determinar os grupos tradicionais aos quais aplicável, enunciando que Estado algum tem o direito de negar a identidade de um povo que se reconheça como tal. - 8. Constitucionalmente legítima, a adoção da autoatribuição como critério de determinação da identidade quilombola, além de consistir em método autorizado pela antropologia contemporânea, cumpre adequadamente a tarefa de trazer à luz os destinatários do art. 68 do ADCT, em absoluto se prestando a inventar novos destinatários ou ampliar indevidamente o universo daqueles a quem a norma é dirigida. O conceito vertido no art. 68 do ADCT não se aparta do fenômeno objetivo nele referido, a alcançar todas as comunidades historicamente vinculadas ao uso linguístico do vocábulo quilombo. Adequação do emprego do termo “quilombo” realizado pela Administração Pública às balizas linguísticas e hermenêuticas impostas pelo texto-norma do art. 68 do ADCT. Improcedência do pedido de declaração de inconstitucionalidade do art. 2°, § 1°, do Decreto 4.887/2003. - 9. Nos casos Moiwana v. Suriname (2005) e Saramaka v. Suriname (2007), a Corte Interamericana de Direitos Humanos reconheceu o direito de propriedade de comunidades formadas por descendentes de escravos fugitivos sobre as terras tradicionais com as quais mantêm relações territoriais, ressaltando o compromisso dos Estados partes (Pacto de San José da Costa Rica, art. 21) de adotar medidas para garantir o seu pleno exercício. - 10. O comando para que sejam levados em consideração, na medição e demarcação das terras, os critérios de territorialidade indicados pelos remanescentes das comunidades quilombolas, longe de submeter o procedimento demarcatório ao arbítrio dos próprios interessados, positiva o devido processo legal na garantia de que as comunidades tenham voz e sejam ouvidas. Improcedência do pedido de declaração de inconstitucionalidade do art. 2º, §§ 2º e 3º, do Decreto 4.887/2003. - 11. Diverso do que ocorre no tocante às terras tradicionalmente ocupadas pelos índios – art. 231, § 6º – a Constituição não reputa nulos ou extintos os títulos de terceiros eventualmente incidentes sobre as terras ocupadas por remanescentes das comunidades dos quilombos, de modo que a regularização do registro <u>exige o necessário o procedimento expropriatório</u>. A exegese sistemática dos arts. 5º, XXIV, 215 e 216 da Carta Política e art. 68 do ADCT impõe, quando incidente título de propriedade particular legítimo sobre as terras ocupadas por quilombolas, seja o processo de transferência da propriedade mediado por regular procedimento de desapropriação. Improcedência do pedido de declaração de inconstitucionalidade material do art. 13 do Decreto 4.887/2003. Ação direta de inconstitucionalidade julgada improcedente.
Direito constitucional e administrativo. Ação direta de inconstitucionalidade. Lei nº 16.260/2016, do Estado de São Paulo. Concessão de áreas estaduais para exploração de atividades de ecoturismo e extração comercial de madeira e subprodutos florestais. - 1. Ação direta de inconstitucionalidade contra a Lei nº 16.260/2016, do Estado de São Paulo, que autoriza a concessão à iniciativa privada de áreas estaduais para exploração de atividades de ecoturismo e extração comercial de madeira e subprodutos florestais. - 2. O ato normativo veicula autorização legislativa dada ao Poder Executivo estadual para a concessão da exploração de serviços ou do uso, total ou parcial, de áreas em próprios estaduais. Ato normativo de caráter genérico que não afasta a incidência de normas editadas pela União em matéria ambiental ou o dever de consulta prévia às comunidades indígenas e tradicionais eventualmente afetadas. Sendo evidente o sentido da norma, revela-se incabível a interpretação conforme à Constituição para essa finalidade. - 3. O art. 231 da Constituição consagrou o caráter originário do direito dos índios às terras por eles “tradicionalmente ocupadas”, reservando-lhes, com exclusividade, o usufruto das riquezas do solo, dos rios e dos lagos nelas existentes. Além disso, essas terras foram incluídas entre os bens da União (art. 20, XI, da CF/88). Trata-se, portanto, de território pertencente à União e de usufruto exclusivo dos povos indígenas, sendo inconstitucional a sua concessão pelo Estado à iniciativa privada. - 4. Também a proteção às terras ocupadas por comunidades tradicionais e de remanescentes quilombolas é essencial à preservação de sua identidade e seus “modos de criar, fazer e viver” (arts. 215 e 216 da Constituição; art. 68 do ADCT e Convenção nº 169 da OIT). É inconstitucional a concessão dessas áreas, pelo Estado, à iniciativa privada, para exploração florestal madeireira e do ecoturismo, independentemente do <u>status de regularização fundiária</u> e da <u>morosidade</u> do Estado em efetivar seu dever de demarcá-las e protegê-las. - 5. Pedido julgado parcialmente procedente, para conferir interpretação conforme a Constituição à Lei nº 16.260/2016, do Estado de São Paulo, de modo a afastar sua incidência relativamente às terras tradicionalmente ocupadas por comunidades indígenas, remanescentes quilombolas e demais comunidades tradicionais. - 6. Fixação da seguinte tese de julgamento: “1.* É constitucional norma estadual que, sem afastar a aplicação da legislação nacional em matéria ambiental (inclusive relatório de impacto ambiental) e o dever de consulta prévia às comunidades indígenas e tradicionais, quando diretamente atingidas por ocuparem zonas contíguas, autoriza a concessão à iniciativa privada da exploração de serviços ou do uso de bens imóveis do Estado; 2.* A concessão pelo Estado não pode incidir sobre áreas tradicionalmente ocupadas por povos indígenas, remanescentes quilombolas e demais comunidades tradicionais”.
Tese - 1. É constitucional norma estadual que, sem afastar a aplicação da legislação nacional em matéria ambiental (inclusive relatório de impacto ambiental) e o dever de consulta prévia às comunidades indígenas e tradicionais, quando diretamente atingidas por ocuparem <u>zonas contíguas</u>, autoriza a concessão à iniciativa privada da exploração de serviços ou do uso de bens imóveis do Estado;
prazo estimado para a duração do benefício
O Tribunal fixou a seguinte tese: - Não viola os artigos 62, caput e § 1º, e 246 da Constituição Federal a estipulação de prazo estimado para a duração de benefício de auxílio-doença, conforme estabelecido nos §§ 8º e 9º do art. 60 da Lei 8.213/1991, com redação dada pelas medidas provisórias 739/2016 e 767/2017, esta última convertida na Lei 13.457/2017.
Document d'information : Enjeux et Défis de la Santé Mentale en France
Synthèse
L'audition devant la commission d'enquête de l'Assemblée nationale met en lumière une crise profonde et multidimensionnelle du système de santé mentale en France.
Les analyses des experts révèlent un fardeau économique et social colossal, estimé à 163 milliards d'euros, plaçant les maladies mentales au premier rang des dépenses de l'Assurance Maladie.
Ce coût est principalement tiré par les hospitalisations, qui représentent jusqu'à 85 % des dépenses directes pour des pathologies comme la schizophrénie, tandis que les coûts des médicaments, majoritairement génériqués, restent faibles.
Le système de soins psychiatriques est caractérisé par des défaillances systémiques majeures. La prévention est quasi inexistante, entraînant des retards de diagnostic dramatiques (plus de 10 ans pour les troubles bipolaires).
L'organisation des soins, jugée obsolète, reste hospitalo-centrée, inégalitaire sur le territoire et cloisonnée, notamment entre les soins somatiques et psychiatriques.
Ce cloisonnement a des conséquences mortelles, réduisant l'espérance de vie des patients de 15 à 20 ans, principalement à cause de maladies cardiovasculaires et de cancers non ou mal soignés.
Malgré ce tableau sombre, des innovations organisationnelles et technologiques ont prouvé leur efficacité.
Les "Centres Experts", par des bilans complets, réduisent significativement les hospitalisations et améliorent le pronostic des patients.
De même, des projets pilotes utilisant des outils numériques (expérimentation "Article 51") ont divisé par deux les tentatives de suicide et généré des économies substantielles.
Cependant, ces innovations peinent à être déployées à grande échelle en raison de freins structurels, d'un manque de vision stratégique et d'un sous-investissement chronique dans la recherche et le développement.
La psychiatrie souffre en parallèle d'une grave crise d'attractivité, exacerbant les pénuries de personnel et la saturation du système.
Enfin, la recherche et le pilotage des politiques publiques sont handicapés par un manque criant de données structurées, notamment sur le volet du handicap.
1. Le Fardeau Économique et Social des Maladies Mentales
L'analyse économique présentée par Isabelle Duranzaleski, professeur de médecine et docteur en économie, révèle l'empreinte considérable des pathologies psychiatriques sur la société française.
L'étude, qui reproduit des méthodologies internationales pour permettre les comparaisons, agrège plusieurs types de coûts pour obtenir un chiffre global.
1.1. Une Estimation Globale de 163 Milliards d'Euros
En combinant l'ensemble des coûts, l'étude arrive à un total de 163 milliards d'euros.
Ce chiffre, bien que sujet à des risques de double compte, a pour objectif principal d'alerter les décideurs publics sur l'ampleur du fardeau.
Il se décompose en quatre catégories principales :
1. Dépenses de l'Assurance Maladie : Les coûts directs des soins médicaux, qui placent les maladies mentales comme le premier ou deuxième poste de dépense avec le cancer.
2. Dépenses du secteur médico-social : Les coûts réels engagés pour l'accompagnement.
3. Pertes de production : Le "manque à gagner" pour la société lié à la morbidité et à la mortalité prématurée.
4. Perte de santé valorisée : Une estimation monétaire de la perte d'années de vie en bonne santé, calculée selon des standards internationaux.
1.2. La Prépondérance des Coûts d'Hospitalisation
Une analyse détaillée des dépenses directes pour les patients atteints de schizophrénie et de troubles bipolaires, menée via les Centres Experts, démontre que l'hospitalisation constitue la source principale des coûts.
• Pour la schizophrénie, 85 % des coûts directs sont liés aux hospitalisations.
• Pour les troubles bipolaires, ce chiffre s'élève à 78 %.
En comparaison, la part des médicaments est très faible, en raison de l'accès quasi-exclusif à des traitements génériqués et du manque d'accès aux innovations thérapeutiques.
Pathologie
Part des Hospitalisations
Part des Médicaments
Part des Consultations
Schizophrénie
85 %
9 %
6-7 %
Troubles Bipolaires
78 %
18 %
6-7 %
1.3. Le Coût Spécifique du Suicide
Une étude distincte, utilisant la même méthodologie, a évalué le coût du suicide et des tentatives de suicide, en incluant les coûts directs des soins, la perte de production et la perte d'années de vie valorisée.
• Coût du suicide : 18 milliards d'euros.
• Coût des tentatives de suicide : 5 milliards d'euros.
2. Défaillances Systémiques et Organisation des Soins
Les experts s'accordent sur un constat sévère : l'organisation actuelle des soins psychiatriques en France est en échec. Elle est marquée par un retard structurel, une inégalité d'accès et un cloisonnement préjudiciable.
2.1. L'Échec de la Prévention
Selon Marion Leboyer, professeur de psychiatrie, et Coralie Gandré, maîtresse de recherche à l'IRDES, le système de soins français présente des défaillances majeures aux trois niveaux de la prévention.
• Prévention primaire : Elle est quasi-inexistante, marquée par une méconnaissance profonde des maladies mentales dans la société et une méfiance envers la psychiatrie, ce qui entraîne une perte de chance considérable.
La France accuse un retard de 20 ans par rapport aux pays anglo-saxons dans la mise en place de mesures de prévention et de lutte contre la stigmatisation.
• Prévention secondaire : Elle se traduit par un retard au diagnostic catastrophique.
◦ Troubles bipolaires : Plus de 10 ans en moyenne entre les premiers symptômes et le diagnostic. ◦ Schizophrénie : Une "durée de psychose non traitée" de 2 à 5 ans, alors que les cinq premières années sont cruciales pour la réponse au traitement.
Ce retard est attribué à un déficit de formation des médecins de première ligne et à un manque d'information du grand public.
• Prévention tertiaire : L'arrivée tardive dans le soin se fait majoritairement par les urgences, qui sont engorgées par des patients de plus en plus sévères, chroniques et polypathologiques.
Un patient sur quatre hospitalisé en psychiatrie y entre via les urgences, un indicateur international de mauvaise qualité de l'accès aux soins.
2.2. Un Modèle de Soins Obsolète, Inégal et Cloisonné
Le système français est décrit comme :
• Hospitalo-centré : L'approche reste centrée sur l'hôpital, malgré un virage ambulatoire précoce (80 % des prises en charge).
Un quart des lits en psychiatrie est occupé au long cours sans indication thérapeutique, souvent par défaut d'offre d'hébergement non médicalisé.
• Inégalitaire sur le territoire : L'accès aux soins varie considérablement d'une région à l'autre.
La prévalence de la schizophrénie et des troubles bipolaires est deux fois plus élevée dans les villes, suggérant la nécessité de politiques de soins adaptées aux facteurs de risque environnementaux (urbanicité, pollution, stress).
• Peu lisible et insuffisamment spécialisé : L'offre de soins est confuse pour les usagers et manque de spécialisation par pathologie, contrairement aux pratiques internationales.
• Manquant de vision stratégique : Les experts déplorent une absence de stratégie claire et de politique d'évaluation de l'organisation des soins.
2.3. La Fracture entre Soins Somatiques et Psychiatriques
Un des points les plus critiques soulevés est le cloisonnement total entre la psychiatrie et les autres spécialités médicales.
Les conséquences pour les patients sont dramatiques :
• Surmortalité massive : La première cause de mortalité n'est pas le suicide, mais les maladies cardiovasculaires et les cancers.
L'espérance de vie est réduite de 20 ans pour les femmes et 15 ans pour les hommes (données de M. Leboyer) ou de 13 ans pour les femmes et 16 ans pour les hommes (étude IRDES).
Le taux de mortalité est 2 à 3 fois supérieur à celui de la population générale.
• Sous-dépistage des comorbidités : Des pathologies comme le syndrome métabolique (hypertension, obésité, etc.) sont très fréquentes (24 % pour la schizophrénie, 38 % pour la dépression résistante, contre 10 % en population générale), mais 70 % à 90 % des patients ne sont ni dépistés, ni soignés.
• Moindre recours aux soins préventifs : Les patients ont moins accès au dépistage des cancers, à la vaccination, aux dentistes, ophtalmologues ou gynécologues.
• Retard au diagnostic pour le cancer : Les patients atteints de troubles psychiques sont diagnostiqués plus tardivement pour les cancers, reçoivent des prises en charge plus invasives mais moins intensives, ce qui augmente les pertes de chance.
3. Innovations et Levier d'Amélioration : Un Potentiel Sous-exploité
Face à ces défaillances, des innovations organisationnelles, numériques et thérapeutiques ont démontré leur efficacité, mais leur déploiement reste limité par de nombreux freins.
3.1. Les Centres Experts : Un Modèle d'Évaluation Efficace
Inspirés des modèles existants pour le cancer ou les maladies rares, les Centres Experts proposent un bilan complet (psychiatrique, cognitif, social, somatique) sur une journée en hôpital de jour.
• Impact démontré : Les études menées avant et après passage dans ces centres montrent une diminution significative du nombre de journées d'hospitalisation, une amélioration du pronostic, une meilleure adhérence au traitement et un meilleur dépistage des comorbidités somatiques.
• Objectif : L'objectif est de déployer ce dispositif sur tout le territoire national et de l'inscrire dans la liste des activités spécifiques nationales pour garantir un accès équitable à tous les patients.
3.2. Le Numérique au Service du Suivi (Expérimentation Article 51)
Un projet pilote a testé une innovation organisationnelle combinant un suivi par une infirmière de pratique avancée ("case manager") et des outils digitaux pour des patients bipolaires.
• Résultats positifs : L'évaluation par le ministère de la Santé a montré :
• Déploiement en attente : Malgré ces résultats, la décision de généraliser le dispositif est toujours en attente, suscitant l'inquiétude des patients et des soignants.
3.3. Freins à l'Innovation et à la Recherche
Plusieurs obstacles entravent la modernisation de la psychiatrie :
• Sous-investissement dans la recherche : La France ne consacre que 2 à 4 % de son budget de recherche biomédicale à la psychiatrie, l'un des taux les plus faibles des pays développés.
• Faible translation des découvertes : De nombreuses innovations (biomarqueurs sanguins, imagerie cérébrale, outils numériques) issues de la recherche peinent à être appliquées dans les soins courants.
• Accès limité aux nouvelles thérapies : Les patients français ont un accès moindre aux innovations thérapeutiques, qu'elles soient médicamenteuses (ex: antipsychotiques de 2e génération disponibles ailleurs en Europe mais pas en France) ou psychosociales.
4. Enjeux Transversaux et Difficultés Spécifiques
4.1. Crise d'Attractivité et Pénurie de Personnel
La psychiatrie fait face à une crise d'attractivité majeure, constituant un frein structurel à toute amélioration.
• Désaffection des jeunes médecins : La psychiatrie est choisie parmi les dernières disciplines par les internes, contrairement à des pays comme le Canada où elle est devenue un premier choix suite à des investissements massifs.
• Pénurie de personnel : La FHF (Fédération Hospitalière de France) estime qu'un quart des postes de psychiatres sont vacants dans plus de la moitié des établissements publics.
• Conséquences directes : Cette pénurie entraîne une fermeture massive de lits d'hospitalisation et une saturation de l'ensemble du système de soins (CMP surchargés, urgences engorgées).
4.2. Les Pratiques Coercitives et les Droits des Patients
La France se distingue par un recours élevé à des pratiques restrictives de liberté, avec des variations très importantes entre établissements qui interrogent l'équité des prises en charge.
• Soins sans consentement : Près de 100 000 personnes par an (soit 5% de la file active).
• Isolement : Près de 30 000 personnes par an.
• Contention mécanique : Près de 10 000 personnes par an. Ces chiffres placent la France dans une situation défavorable par rapport aux autres pays développés, avec une tendance à l'augmentation.
4.3. Le Manque Crucial de Données sur le Handicap
Maude Espagiac, spécialiste du handicap, souligne une difficulté majeure pour la recherche et le pilotage des politiques : l'accès aux données.
• Cloisonnement des données : Les systèmes d'information des secteurs médical, social et médico-social ne communiquent pas, ce qui empêche d'avoir une vision complète des parcours et des coûts.
• Identification des personnes : Il est très difficile d'identifier les personnes en situation de handicap dans les bases de données de santé existantes, et de mesurer les coûts non publics (reste à charge pour les familles, les aidants).
• Perspective d'amélioration : L'intégration annoncée des données des MDPH (Maisons Départementales des Personnes Handicapées) dans le Système National des Données de Santé (SNDS) d'ici 2026 est une avancée attendue depuis une décennie.
Author response:
Joint Public Review
This manuscript puts forward the provocative idea that a posttranslational feedback loop regulates daily and ultradian rhythms in neuronal excitability. The authors used in vivo long-term tip recordings of the long trichoid sensilla of male hawkmoths to analyze spontaneous spiking activity indicative of the ORNs' endogenous membrane potential oscillations. This firing pattern was disrupted by pharmacological blockade of the Orco receptor. They then use these recordings together with computational modeling to predict that Orco receptor neuron (ORN) activity is required for circadian, not ultradian, firing patterns. Orco did not show a circadian expression pattern in a qPCR experiment, and its conductance was proposed to be regulated by cyclic nucleotide levels. This evidence led the authors to conclude that a post-translational feedback loop (PTFL) clockwork, associated with the ORN plasma membrane, allows for temporal control of pheromone detection via the generation of multi-scale endogenous membrane potential oscillations. The findings will interest researchers in neurophysiology, circadian rhythms, and sensory biology. However, the manuscript has limited experimental evidence to support its central hypothesis and is undermined by several questionable assumptions that underlie their data analysis and model builds, as well as insufficient biological data, including critical controls to validate and/or fully justify the model the authors are proposing.
We thank the reviewers for their thorough and thoughtful comments and believe that the manuscript will be much stronger once we incorporate the requested changes.
Please note that we used ORN as acronym for “olfactory receptor neuron” throughout the manuscript. ORNs contain odorant receptors (ORs), and in insects these ORs have to associate with the olfactory receptor co-receptor (Orco) in the cilium of the neuron to form functional OR-Orco complexes for odorant detection. Besides this chaperone function, Orco can form homomers with the potential to act as ionic pacemaker channels; a role which we explore in this study.
Strengths:
The study is notable for its combination of long-term in vivo tip recordings with computational modeling, which is technically challenging and adds weight to the authors' claims. The link between Orco, cyclic nucleotides, and circadian regulation is potentially important for sensory neuroscience, and the modeling framework itself - a stochastic Hodgkin-Huxley formulation that explicitly incorporates channel noise - is a solid and forward-looking contribution. Together, these elements make the study conceptually bold and of clear interest to circadian and olfactory biologists.
Major weaknesses:
At the same time, several limitations temper the conclusions. The pharmacological evidence relies on a single antagonist and concentration, without key controls. The circadian analysis is based on relatively small numbers of neurons, with rhythms detected only in subsets, and the alignment procedure used in constant darkness raises concerns of bias. The molecular evidence is sparse, with only three qPCR timepoints, and the model, while creative, rests on assumptions that are not yet fully supported by in vivo data.
Please see our responses to the detailed comments.
Detailed comments are provided below:
(1) The role for Orco proposed in the authors' model largely stems from the effects seen following the administration of (a single dose) of the Orco antagonist, OLC15. However, this hypothesis is undercut by the lack of adequate pharmacological controls, including a basic multipoint OLC15 dose-response series in addition to the administration of blockers for the other channels that are embedded in their model, but which were ruled out as being involved in the modulation of biological rhythms. In addition, these studies would (ideally) also benefit from the inclusion of the same concentration (series) of an inactive OLC15 analog to better control for off-target effects.
The Orco agonist VUAA1 (Jones et al., 2011) binds directly to Orco and increases the channel open time probability. In M. sexta hawkmoths, we have already published that VUAA 1 increases the low spontaneous activity of ORNs in a dose-dependent fashion (Nolte et al., 2016). Chen and Luetje (2012) systematically varied the chemical structure of VUAA1 to identify new Orco ligands and discovered 22 Orco Ligand Candidates (OLC) that either activated or inhibited Orco. In their heterologous expression system, Orco was most sensitive to inhibition by OLC15. Based on these results, we published a dose-response curve of OLC15 inhibition (1-100 µM) using in vivo tip recordings of pheromone-sensitive long trichoid sensilla of M. sexta (Nolte et al., 2016). In that study, we could also demonstrate that OLC15 antagonizes the VUAA1 activation of Orco.
Furthermore, we tested other published Orco antagonists in in vivo assays in intact hawkmoths, focusing on amiloride-derived antagonists, because we previously identified an amiloride-sensitive cation channel in hawkmoth ORNs. We found that, in contrast to OLC15, the amilorides HMA and MIA were not Orco-specific but instead affected different targets depending on time-of-day (Nolte et al., 2016). Based on those experiments and the dose-response curves we determined that the Orco agonist VUAA1 (Jones et al., 2011) and the Orco antagonist OLC15 (Chen and Luetje, 2012) worked best in hawkmoth ORNs to target Orco pharmacologically. Based on comparative tests with other published Orco antagonists we settled since then in all further experiments on a dose of 50 µM OLC15.
We will clarify the Methods section accordingly.
(2) The expression pattern of Orco was assessed using qPCR at only three timepoints. Rhythmic transcripts can easily be missed with such sparse sampling (Hughes et al., 2017). A minimum of six evenly spaced timepoints across a 24-hour cycle would be required to confidently rule out circadian transcriptional regulation. In addition, the use of the timeless mRNA control from another study is not acceptable. Furthermore, qPCR analysis measures transcript abundance, not transcription, as the authors repeatedly state. Transcriptional studies would require nuclear run-off or, more recently, can be done with snRNAseq analysis. Taken together, these concerns undermine the authors' desire to rule out TTFL-based control that directly led them to implicate a PTTF-based model.
We agree with the referees that more time points and a direct comparison between timeless and Orco mRNA levels should be included in this manuscript. We will include these additional qPCR experiments and edit the manuscript to make clear that we measure transcript abundance, but we will not perform snRNAseq analysis due to time- and financial constraints. We are currently working on the transcriptional control of Orco, both during ontogeny and throughout the day but this work in progress is beyond the scope of this manuscript.
(3) The modelling presented is based on Orco as a ZT-dependent conductance tied to the cAMP oscillations that were reported by this group in the cockroach and from the presence and functionality in Manduca of homomeric Orco complexes that are devoid of tuning ORs. While these complexes have been generated in cell culture and other heterologous expression systems, as well as presumably exist in vivo in the Drosophila empty neuron and other tuning OR mutants, there is no evidence that these complexes exist in wild-type Manduca ORNs. While this doesn't necessarily undermine every aspect of their models, the authors should note the presence of Orco/OR complexes rather than Orco homomeric complexes.
Our ELISAs found circadian oscillations in cAMP levels not only in antennae of the Madeira cockroach (Schendzielorz et al., 2014, 2012), but also in hawkmoth antennae (Schendzielorz et al., 2015). We will add the 2015 citation to the Modeling chapter in the Methods section to clarify this.
We agree with the referees that we cannot distinguish between Orco homo- and heteromers in the different compartments of our hawkmoth ORNs. Thus, as the referee suggests, we will add text regarding the presence and localization of OR-Orco heteromers. However, we have indications that Orco homomers could indeed be present in the hawkmoth ORNs. In a heterologous expression system, MsexOrco expression alone was sufficient to increase intracellular Ca<sup>2+</sup> levels in response to VUAA1 application (Nolte et al., 2013). In differentiating primary cell cultures of hawkmoth antennae, Orco expression started during a developmental time window where ORNs did not yet express pheromone receptors, and Orco affected spontaneous activity (Nolte et al., 2016). Thus, Orco homomers are present in developing hawkmoth ORNs during a time window where ORNs already express spontaneous activity but cannot heteromerize with pheromone receptors. However, we do not know whether and in what ratio homo- and heteromers of Orco and ORs are present in the respective sensillum compartments of adult hawkmoths (Nolte et al., 2013; Stengl, 1994; Stengl and Hildebrand, 1990).
We will clarify our manuscript accordingly.
(4) Some aspects of the authors' models, most notably the decision to phase align/optimize their DD and OLC15 recordings, are likely to bias their interpretations.
It is consensus that insects display daily and circadian rhythms in pheromone-dependent mating, odor-gated feeding, and egg-laying behavior that phase-locks to environmental rhythms, corresponding with daily/circadian rhythms of sensory neuron physiology (e.g., Merlin et al., 2007; Rymer et al., 2007; Schendzielorz et al., 2015, 2012). However, circadian rhythms can be easily masked by stress, like the disturbances during a very challenging long-term recording experiment over several days. In addition, we observed in our animal raising facility that in LD 17:7 light-dark cycles the originally nocturnal hawkmoths M. sexta distribute their activity patterns over the course of the day, finding nocturnal as well as diurnal hawkmoths. Thus, light-dark cycles were not enough to ensure phase-synchronized behavioral rhythms, and it is very likely that the nocturnal hawkmoths rely heavily on pheromone/odor dependent synchronization as also found in other moth species (Ghosh et al., 2024). Here, we used isolated males that were never exposed to the female pheromones so that their circadian activity patterns readily disperse. Therefore, it became necessary in free-running conditions to first determine the respective behavioral rhythm for each animal, and then to phase-align their activity patterns to allow for statistical analysis. Otherwise, circadian differences would average out in a free-running population. As requested by the referees in point (7), we will use additional tests for rhythmicity in each of our recordings and revise the manuscript accordingly.
Assuming that hawkmoths need pheromone presence as additional Zeitgeber, we are currently working on a new set of experiments where we attempt to improve synchronization by exposure to LD cycles and pheromone before DD and OLC15 recordings. We will add these experiments to the manuscript.
(5) The tip recordings from long trichoid sensilla are critical aspects of this study. These recordings were carried out on upper sensillar tips located on the distal-most second annulus. Since there are approximately 80 annuli on the Manduca antennae, it is unclear whether the recordings are representative of the antennal response.
We think the reviewers might have misinterpreted our description of the recording site. In the Methods, we state that we clip off the 20 most distal annuli (leaving a stump of about 60 annuli) and insert the reference electrode into the flagellum up to the second annulus from the cut end, i.e., the recording site is located at 2/3 – 3/4 of the antenna length as seen from the head of the animal. We will make this more clear in the Methods section.
In addition, our lab did show with antibody stainings against Orco that apparently all ORNs that innervate long and short trichoid sensilla along the whole flagellum express the same staining pattern (Nolte et al., 2016). Furthermore, our patch clamp recordings of primary cell cultures of whole male antennae found largely overlapping ion channel populations across ORNs. This would indicate that all ORNs, whether they express pheromone- or general odorant receptors, could potentially share the same Orco-dependent spontaneous activity rhythms. In our lab, different experimenters from different years that recorded from long trichoid sensilla on different annuli did not detect obvious differences in neither the spontaneous activity nor the pheromone responses (c.f., Dolzer et al., 2003; Gawalek and Stengl, 2018; Schneider et al., 2025). Thus, it is very likely that we are reporting a general encoding mechanism that is not locally restricted along the antennal flagellum.
(5.1) The authors do not provide any data in support of their cAMP/cGMP-based Orco gating…
There are publications supporting cyclic nucleotide gating of Orco in Drosophila, but only after previous phosphorylation via protein kinase C (PKC; review: (Wicher and Miazzi, 2021)). Since Orco is very conserved among insect species, it is likely that these PKC and cGMP/cAMP-dependent regulations are present in other insect species. We are currently running thorough tip-recording experiments on the regulation of Orco gating, which are beyond the scope of this manuscript. However, we will add a set of experiments to this manuscript that demonstrates cAMP gating of Orco.
(5.2)… and the PTTF model proposed is somewhat disappointing.
For a detailed introduction of our PTFL membrane clock hypothesis please see our opinion paper (Stengl and Schneider, 2024).
(5.3) The model seems to be influenced by their long-held proposal that insect olfactory signaling has a critical metabotropic component involving cyclic nucleotides, PKC, etc, a view that may be influenced by the use of Orco homomeric complexes generated in HEK cells.
Indeed, we propose a metabotropic pheromone-transduction cascade, which in moths and cockroaches is based on G-protein-mediated activation of phospholipase C but not on adenylyl cyclase activation. Our hypothesis is not influenced by HEK cell heterologous expression studies of Orco but is supported by our own work comparing in vivo tip recordings of intact hawkmoths with patch clamp experiments on hawkmoth primary cell cultures of olfactory receptor neurons, which are able to respond to their species-specific pheromones in vitro ((Schneider et al., 2025; Stengl, 2010; Stengl and Funk, 2013; Wicher and Miazzi, 2021). In addition, a multitude of publications by other laboratories with in vivo and in vitro studies using physiological, genetic, and immunocytochemical assays all support a metabotropic signal transduction cascade in insect olfaction (reviews: Stengl, 2010; Stengl and Funk, 2013; Wicher and Miazzi, 2021). In contrast, the hypothesis suggesting a solely ionotropic pheromone- and general odor-dependent transduction cascade for all insect species is based on very sparse experimental evidence, based primarily on heterologous expression studies such as HEK cells that lack the insect’s WT molecular surroundings, and thus, cannot predict OR-Orco function in vivo. Furthermore, the ionotropic hypothesis is heavily based upon the argument that an inverse 7TM receptor cannot couple to G-proteins, which lacks careful backup via biochemical and structural studies. In addition, the ionotropic hypothesis lacks support via carefully performed physiological in vivo studies in different insect species that paid attention to analysis of the distinct kinetic components of ORN´s odor/pheromone responses and that employ physiological concentrations and durations of odor/pheromone stimuli (please see our most recent publication by Schneider et al. (2025)).
(5.4) Nevertheless, structural studies on Orco do not support a cyclic nucleotide binding site, although PKC-based phosphorylation has been implicated in the fine-tuning/adaptation of olfactory signaling.
While structural studies did not find evidence for conserved known cyclic nucleotide binding sites on Orco, this does not exclude the presence of so far unknown binding sites, or via sites that fold out only after a specific sequence of previous phosphorylations of the many phosphorylation sites on Orco. Indeed, physiological studies in Drosophila presented evidence for cyclic nucleotide dependence of Orco after previous PKC-dependent phosphorylation (Getahun et al., 2013). Our ongoing in vivo experiments in hawkmoths further corroborate a PKC- and cAMP-dependent modulation of Orco. These studies will be published in a follow-up publication.
(6) Because only 5/11 LD and 7/10 DD animals showed daily rhythms, with averages lacking clear daily modulation, the methods are not sufficiently reliable enough to reveal novel underlying mechanisms of circadian rhythm generation. The reported results are therefore not yet reliable or quantifiable. To quantify their results, the authors should apply tests for circadian rhythmicity using methods such as RAIN, JTK CYCLE, MetaCycle, or Echo. The use of FFT and Wavelet is applauded, but these methods do not have tests of significance for rhythms and can be biased when analyzing data in which there could only be 1-3 circadian cycles. Because the conclusions appear to be based on 11-12 neurons that were recorded for 2-4 days, the reader is concerned that the methods are not yet perfected to provide strong evidence for circadian regulation of spontaneous firing of ORNs. The average data (e.g., Figure 3Bii and 3Cii) highlight the apparent lack of daily rhythms. In summary, the results would be more compelling if more than 50% of the recordings had significant circadian amplitudes and with similar periods and phases.
The long-term tip-recordings of intact hawkmoths are very challenging and take a very long time to accomplish, thus, we are very happy that we succeeded in obtaining so many of them (N=34). Since 5/11 LD recordings and 7/10 DD recordings revealed daily/circadian rhythmicity and since many other physiological recordings at different ZTs of different members of our laboratory all revealed ZT-dependent pheromone-transduction we can be certain that the physiology of hawkmoth antennae is under strict circadian control. Please see also our response to (4) above commenting the phase-dispersal of activity rhythms observed in our experiments, as well as in the behavior of hawkmoth males in the mating cage.
Nevertheless, we will follow the advice of the referees to apply additional tests for significance of rhythms in spontaneous activity, and we are thankful for the tests suggested that we were not aware of.
(7) The statement that circadian patterns of ORN firing are lost with the Orco antagonist (OLC15) is not strongly supported. The manuscript should be revised to quantify how Orco changed circadian amplitude in the 12 recorded neurons. Measures of circadian amplitude can avoid confusing/vague statements like Line 394 “low and high frequency bands appeared to merge during the activity phase around ZT 0 in the animals that showed clear circadian rhythms (N = 5 of 11 in LD)”. The conclusion that Orco blocks circadian firing appears to be contradicted by Figure 6, which indicates that ~6 of these neurons had circadian periods detected by wavelet. The manuscript would be strengthened with details about the specificity and reproducibility of the Orco antagonist. The authors quantify the gradual decrease in firing with the slope of a linear fit to estimate how the “effectiveness [of OLC15] increased over time.” They conclude that the drug “obliterated circadian rhythms and attenuated the spontaneous activity in several, but not all experiments (N = 8 of 12).” The report would be greatly strengthened with corroborating data from additional Orco antagonists and additional doses of OLC15 (the authors use only 50 uM OLC15).
We will revise our data analysis, according to the valuable suggestions of the referees.
However, based upon our previous studies with other Orco antagonists and different doses of OLC15 (Nolte et al., 2016) we found that 50 µM OLC15 is the best Orco antagonist dose in M. sexta to target Orco-dependent modulation of spontaneous action potential activity of hawkmoth olfactory receptor neurons. Please see also our response to (1).
(8) The manuscript includes several statements that are more speculation than conclusion. For example, there is no evidence for tuning or plasticity in this report. Statements like the following should be removed or addressed with experiments that show changes in odor response specificity or sensitivity: "ORN signalosomes are highly plastic endogenous PTFL clocks comprising receptors for circadian and ultradian Zeitgebers that allow to tune into internal physiological and external environmental rhythms as basis for active sensing." (Discussion Line 622). The paper concludes that (line 380) "mean frequency of spontaneous spiking and the frequency of bursting expressed daily modulation, and are both most likely controlled via a circadian clock that targets the leak channel Orco." This is too bold given the available results.
We will revise the discussion accordingly and clarify which statements are supported via published evidence and which are predictions based upon our novel hypothesis published in our opinion paper (Stengl and Schneider, 2024).
(9.1) Because Orco conductance is modulated by cyclic nucleotides, it remains highly plausible that circadian regulation occurs upstream at the level of signaling pathways (e.g., calcium, calcium-binding proteins, GPCRs, cyclases, phosphodiesterases).
We agree with the referees that it is very likely that there are multiple layers of interconnected feedback cycles that control Orco localization and activity. Our novel hypothesis suggests interlocked TTFL and PTFL control of physiological circadian rhythms, not strictly hierarchical TTFL control, which would require a daily turnover of membrane proteins and transcriptional control via the established TTFL clock in insect ORNs. We currently search for TTFL control at all levels of odor/pheromone transduction using ZT-dependent transcriptomics in combination with qPCR and single nuclear transcriptomics, involving also all the molecules suggested by the referees. These studies are ongoing, are very time- and money-consuming, and are beyond the scope of this manuscript.
(9.2) The possibility that circadian oscillations of cyclic nucleotides are generated by the canonical TTFL mechanism has not been excluded. In fact, extensive work in Drosophila has demonstrated that the TTFL-based molecular clock proteins are required for circadian rhythms in olfaction.
Our experiments that test circadian TTFL control at different levels of the cAMP transduction cascade in hawkmoth antennae are on the way and are part of another publication. We will revise our discussion accordingly.
The experiments published for TTFL dependent control of Drosophila olfaction that we are aware of (Krishnan et al., 1999; Tanoue et al., 2004) do not exclude interlinked PTFL and TTFL clocks. Krishnan et al. (1999) demonstrate that the TTFL clock in antennal olfactory receptor neurons correlates with circadian rhythms in odor responses measured in electroantennogram (EAG) recordings, not in single sensillum recordings as in our experiments. EAG recordings comprise not only voltage responses of the olfactory sensory neurons but also voltage changes generated in non-neuronal antennal cells such as trichogen and tormogen cells that built the transepithelial potential gradient via vATPases that generates the high K<sup>+</sup> concentration in the sensillum lymph (Jain et al., 2024; Klein, 1992; Thurm and Küppers, 1980). In addition, EAG recordings most likely contain responses of afferent neurons originating from somata in the brain that maintain central control of the antennae. Thus, EAG recordings are difficult to interpret.
(11) A defining feature of circadian oscillators is the feedback mechanism that generates a time delay (e.g., PERIOD/TIMELESS repressing their own transcription). While the authors describe how cyclic nucleotides can regulate Orco conductance, they do not provide a convincing explanation of how Orco activity could, in turn, feed back into the proposed PTFL to sustain oscillations. For these reasons, the authors should consider:
a) Providing a broader discussion of non-TTFL models of circadian rhythms (e.g., redox cycles, post-translational modifications).
We will revise the discussion accordingly.
b) Reassessing Orco expression using a higher-resolution temporal sampling ({greater than or equal to}6 timepoints per 24 h).
We will add those experiments to the revised version of the manuscript (see our response to (2)).
c) Clarifying or revising the PTFL model to explicitly address how feedback would be achieved. Alternatively, the data may be more consistent with Orco conductance rhythms being regulated by post-translational mechanisms downstream of the canonical TTFL oscillator, as suggested by the Drosophila olfactory system literature.
We will revise the manuscript accordingly.
Minor weaknesses:
(1) The authors should compare the firing patterns of ORN neurons to the bursts, clusters, and packets of retinal efferent spikes reported in Liu JS and Passaglia CL (2011; JBR). By comparing measures in moths to measures in Limulus, the authors might be able to address the question: Is the daily firing pattern of ORN neurons likely a conserved feature of circadian control of sensory sensitivity?
We will revise the discussion accordingly.
(2) The methods need further details. For example, it is unclear if or how single neuron activity was discriminated and whether the results were compromised by the relatively large environmental fluctuations in temperature (21-27oC), humidity (35-60%), or other cues known to modulate spontaneous firing.
We will clarify the Methods section.
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Synthèse de l'Audition sur l'État de la Santé Mentale en France
Résuméf
L'audition à la commission d'enquête de l'Assemblée nationale a mis en lumière un consensus alarmant sur l'état désastreux de la psychiatrie en France, particulièrement en pédopsychiatrie, qualifiée de "désastre absolu".
Les experts, un pédopsychiatre-épidémiologiste et un psychanalyste-chercheur, s'accordent sur plusieurs points critiques : une dégradation continue du bien-être psychique de la population depuis 20 ans, une inversion préoccupante de la tendance à la baisse des suicides chez les jeunes depuis 2017, et une offre de soins totalement inadaptée face à une demande croissante, créant un "effet ciseau" dévastateur.
Les défaillances du système sont jugées systémiques et profondes, impliquant une responsabilité partagée entre les psychiatres (pour leurs certitudes passées), les administrations ("il nous flingue"), les directeurs d'hôpitaux (gestion par "tableau Excel") et des politiques publiques inadaptées.
La critique vise particulièrement le "New Public Management", qui applique des logiques de rentabilité au soin, et l'hégémonie d'une approche "scientiste" de l'Evidence-Based Medicine, jugée inefficace et inconsistante dans le champ de la santé mentale de l'enfant.
Des dispositifs comme "Mon Soutien Psy" sont cités comme des exemples de "leviers qu'il ne fallait pas activer".
Face à ce constat, les experts appellent à une réorientation radicale. Les leviers d'action prioritaires incluent la prévention, notamment la lutte contre la maltraitance infantile qui explique 50% des troubles futurs, et le renforcement des dispositifs institutionnels existants (CMP, CMPP, hôpitaux) plutôt que la création de nouvelles structures complexes.
La formation de thérapeutes qualifiés et la revalorisation des pratiques cliniques pluridisciplinaires sont essentielles.
Enfin, bien que le coût de l'inaction se chiffre en milliards d'euros, les experts soulignent que la solution n'est pas uniquement budgétaire mais réside dans une meilleure organisation des ressources existantes et dans des choix politiques courageux qui replacent la relation humaine et la complexité clinique au cœur du système de soin.
1. État des Lieux : Un Constat Alarmant
Les deux intervenants dressent un tableau extrêmement sombre de la situation psychiatrique en France, soulignant la nécessité de distinguer le "vécu anxio-dépressif" des pathologies cliniques et de se méfier des chiffres de prévalence bruts qui, pour des troubles dimensionnels comme la dépression, "ne veulent rien dire".
1.1. Tendances Épidémiologiques Inquiétantes
Le professeur Falissard, épidémiologiste, identifie une "quadruple interaction entre le temps, l'âge, le genre et la pathologie".
• Suicide et tentatives de suicide : Si la tendance globale sur 30 ans est à l'amélioration, une rupture nette est observée depuis 2017 chez les jeunes.
• Vécu anxio-dépressif : Le ressenti subclinique mesuré par Santé publique France se dégrade "de façon homogène" depuis 20 ans, touchant toutes les tranches d'âge et tous les genres.
• Pédopsychiatrie : La situation est décrite comme un "désastre absolu". Certains départements n'ont plus de pédopsychiatres, rendant la permanence des soins impossible.
1.2. L'Effet Ciseau : Une Offre de Soins Débordée
M. Tonou met en évidence l'écart croissant entre l'augmentation de la demande et le déficit de l'offre de soins, créant un "effet ciseau" aux conséquences désastreuses.
• Délais d'attente : Les délais pour une consultation spécialisée sont "insupportables", allant de 6 à 18 mois.
À l'échelle d'un enfant de 3 à 6 ans, cela équivaut à un délai de 5 à 10 ans pour un adulte.
• Conséquences cliniques :
◦ Augmentation des hospitalisations en urgence. ◦ Augmentation des passages à l'acte suicidaire. ◦ Consommation accrue de psychotropes en pédiatrie, souvent hors autorisation de mise sur le marché (AMM). ◦ Substitution des psychothérapies recommandées par le seul médicament, faute de moyens.
Selon les estimations, 13% de la population française serait concernée par un trouble mental, soit 1,5 million d'enfants et 9 millions de personnes au total.
2. Défaillances Systémiques et Critiques de la Gouvernance
Les experts s'accordent sur le fait que la crise actuelle est le résultat d'une série de défaillances à tous les niveaux du système. La responsabilité est "partagée" et les erreurs stratégiques des pouvoirs publics sont pointées du doigt.
2.1. Une Responsabilité Partagée
Le professeur Falissard insiste : "tout le monde est responsable du fait qu'aujourd'hui c'est une catastrophe".
Acteur
Critique
Les psychiatres
Ont eu le tort au 20e siècle de croire détenir une vérité unique (la psychanalyse), ce qui a nui aux patients, notamment dans l'autisme. Ce n'est plus le cas pour 90% des praticiens aujourd'hui.
L'Administration et la Tutelle
"Il ne nous aide pas, il nous flingue". Des réglementations absurdes (ex: conventions pour les orthophonistes en CMP) bloquent concrètement la prise en charge des enfants.
Le Délégué Interministériel (TND)
Est qualifié d'"antipsychiatre", accusé d'empêcher la construction de soins avec une "lubie scientiste" et une recherche de solutions simplistes à des problèmes complexes.
Les Directeurs d'Hôpitaux
Privilégient une gestion comptable ("Le tableau Excel il est bien rempli") au détriment de la qualité des soins, menant à des catastrophes (ex: aide-soignant d'orthopédie remplaçant une infirmière psy, conduisant à des abus sexuels).
Les Parents
Sont souvent "partie du problème", plaçant les soignants dans une situation complexe entre le devoir de protection de l'enfant et l'impératif d'inclure les parents dans le soin.
2.2. Erreurs Stratégiques de Gouvernance
M. Tonou identifie deux phénomènes majeurs qui ont sapé les fondements du soin psychique :
1. Le New Public Management : La gestion des structures publiques comme des entreprises, substituant "la rentabilité et le profit au principe fondateur des missions de services publics".
2. L'Evidence-Based Medicine (EBM) : Son déploiement pour évaluer la psychiatrie s'est révélé "tout à fait inconsistant dans le domaine de la santé mentale de l'enfant", avec "aucune avancée en terme de diagnostic, aucune avancée en terme de traitement".
Plusieurs initiatives sont citées comme des "archétypes de ce qu'il ne faudrait pas faire" :
• Le dispositif Mon Soutien Psy.
• La stratégie TND 2023-2027.
• Le cas des centres experts et de la Fondation FondaMental, critiqués pour leur approche qui dissocie le diagnostic du soin, leur absence de résultats concrets (zéro marqueur biologique trouvé) et les biais scientifiques de leurs études d'efficacité.
3. Prévention et Pistes d'Amélioration
Plutôt que de chercher des solutions simplistes, les experts appellent à revenir aux fondamentaux du soin, de la prévention et à mieux organiser les ressources existantes.
3.1. La Prévention comme Levier Principal
• Lutte contre la maltraitance : La prévention primaire, c'est "éviter les abus sur les enfants".
Cela "explique 50 % de la variance des problèmes psychiatriques des adolescents et des adultes après".
L'Aide Sociale à l'Enfance (ASE), qui devrait être le bras armé de cette prévention, est elle-même "un désastre absolu".
• Facteurs de risque sociaux : La lutte contre la pauvreté, la précarité et l'exclusion est une politique de prévention en santé mentale.
"Lorsque je propose une aide sociale à une famille en difficulté [...] je préviens aussi un risque de santé mentale".
• Milieu scolaire : Réduire le nombre d'élèves par classe (le seuil de 17 élèves est cité comme optimal pour l'apprentissage de la lecture) est un levier puissant pour la santé mentale des enfants.
3.2. Renforcer l'Existant et Former les Acteurs
La priorité n'est pas de créer de nouveaux dispositifs, mais de soutenir les institutions et les pratiques qui ont fait leurs preuves.
• Soutenir les institutions : "S'il y avait qu'une chose à retenir, c'est celle-là".
Il faut "rouvrir des places, des lits à l'hôpital, dans les services spécialisés, les CMP, les CMPP". Il faut cesser de "déshabiller le CMP" pour "abonder les centres experts".
• Repenser la formation :
◦ La question centrale n'est pas "quelle est la bonne thérapie ?" mais "qui est un bon thérapeute ?".
L'effet du clinicien est largement supérieur à l'effet spécifique de la thérapie. * ◦ Il n'existe pas de formation universitaire pour les psychothérapies en France. * ◦ Il faut recréer des formations intermédiaires pour les infirmiers, sur le modèle d'une spécialisation locale d'un an ("infirmiers plus un"), car le modèle des Infirmières en Pratique Avancée (IPA) est trop lourd et coûteux.
• Valoriser la diversité des approches : La spécificité française réside dans une grande diversité de pratiques (psychanalyse, thérapies familiales, psychothérapie institutionnelle) qui "font leur preuve dans la clinique". Toute tentative de réduire cette diversité "va se payer par du moins de soins".
4. Enjeux Économiques et Budgétaires
Le débat sur les moyens financiers révèle une tension entre la nécessité de prouver l'efficacité économique des investissements et la conviction que le soin aux plus vulnérables relève d'un "pacte démocratique" non quantifiable.
4.1. Le Coût de l'Inaction
M. Tonou propose une méthode pour chiffrer le "coût de l'inaction", qui se calculerait en milliards d'euros.
• Exemple de calcul : Pour un coût moyen estimé de 10 000 € par an et par patient, une meilleure prise en charge permettant de réduire ces coûts de 20% générerait une économie de 3,9 milliards d'euros en population pédiatrique et de 18 milliards d'euros en population générale.
• Finalité : Démontrer que "le coût de l'inaction est beaucoup plus élevé que des politiques volontaires et cohérentes".
4.2. Une Question d'Organisation plus que de Moyens ?
Le professeur Falissard adopte une posture provocatrice : "Ça n'est pas une question de moyen".
• Gains d'efficience : "Nous pourrions faire beaucoup mieux avec la même quantité d'argent". Il pointe l'argent alloué à des dispositifs coûteux et peu efficaces (ex: hospitalisations de semaine pour bilans TDAH) alors que les urgences ne sont pas financées.
• Inefficacité des études médico-économiques : Il affirme que les études prouvant le sous-financement de la psychiatrie "n'ont servi à rien".
• Injustice de l'allocation des ressources : Il dénonce une inégalité fondamentale : "On n'a pas le même argent selon les maladies qu'on a en France".
Des traitements à 2 millions d'euros sont remboursés pour certaines maladies rares, tandis qu'il n'y a "pas 3000 € pour une tentative de suicide chez une adolescente".
La rationalité économique ne s'applique pas à la psychiatrie en France.
La conclusion partagée est que la priorité absolue est de mieux organiser le système, en se basant sur les acteurs de terrain ("pas des gens en costard-cravate") pour redéfinir les priorités et optimiser les dépenses.
Synthèse de l'Audition sur la Santé Mentale des Jeunes
Résumé Exécutif
L'audition met en lumière une crise sans précédent dans la prise en charge de la santé mentale des jeunes en France, une situation préexistante mais exacerbée de manière exponentielle par la pandémie de COVID-19.
Les experts s'accordent sur un diagnostic alarmant marqué par une pénurie critique de personnels soignants, des délais d'attente pour les soins qui engendrent des "pertes de chance" dramatiques, et une fragmentation systémique qui handicape la continuité des parcours.
Les défaillances identifiées ont des coûts individuels, familiaux et sociétaux massifs. Sur le plan individuel, elles se traduisent par une augmentation du risque suicidaire et une péjoration de la santé physique.
Pour les familles, elles représentent un fardeau émotionnel et financier considérable. À l'échelle de la société, l'absence de prise en charge précoce compromet l'avenir d'une génération et engendre des coûts à long terme bien supérieurs à ceux d'un investissement préventif.
Un goulot d'étranglement majeur est identifié entre les structures sanitaires et le secteur médico-social, où un manque criant de places d'aval conduit à une saturation des lits d'hospitalisation psychiatrique.
Face à ce constat, plusieurs axes stratégiques émergent : la nécessité absolue * d'investir dans la détection et l'intervention précoces, notamment en périnatalité et en milieu scolaire ; * l'urgence de former massivement tous les professionnels (médecins généralistes, personnels paramédicaux) et de * décloisonner les pratiques entre santé somatique et psychiatrique ; * et l'impératif d'instaurer une culture de l'évaluation systématique des dispositifs de soins pour allouer les ressources de manière plus efficiente et ciblée.
I. Diagnostic d'une Crise Systémique et Humaine
Les experts auditionnés décrivent unanimement une situation de crise aiguë dans le secteur de la psychiatrie et de la pédopsychiatrie, caractérisée par une inadéquation profonde entre les besoins de la population jeune et l'offre de soins disponible.
A. Une Pénurie Critique de Personnels Soignants
Un problème central et quotidien est le "manque criant de soignant". Il ne s'agit pas seulement d'un manque de postes budgétés, mais d'une incapacité à pourvoir les postes existants en raison d'un défaut d'attractivité majeur de l'hôpital public.
• Postes Vacants : Un service de psychiatrie adulte parisien rapporte 50 postes d'infirmiers vacants sur 200, conduisant à des unités d'hospitalisation fonctionnant avec un ou deux infirmiers titulaires, ce qui "altère de façon dramatique la qualité des soins".
• Crise des Vocations : Ce manque d'attractivité, observé dans tous les pays occidentaux, touche les infirmiers comme les médecins, y compris dans des régions autrefois préservées comme Paris intra-muros. Les écoles d'infirmières sont décrites comme "vides".
• Hétérogénéité des Ressources : Si certains services manquent de personnel pour remplir les postes, d'autres, notamment en pédopsychiatrie, manquent de postes autorisés, illustrant une rigidité dans l'allocation des ressources par les Agences Régionales de Santé (ARS).
B. Des Délais de Prise en Charge aux Conséquences Lourdes
La pénurie de soignants et la désorganisation des filières entraînent des retards de prise en charge aux conséquences graves pour les jeunes.
• Retards au Diagnostic : L'allongement des délais de consultation retarde le diagnostic.
Or, la "durée de maladie non traitée" est le facteur pronostique majeur : plus ce temps est long, plus le handicap généré sera important et la maladie difficile à soigner.
• Perte de Chance : Des jeunes en situation de risque vital, comme ceux souffrant d'anorexie mentale, peuvent attendre de trois à six mois pour une hospitalisation.
Ce retard constitue une "perte de chance" majeure, compromettant leur santé physique, psychique et leur avenir scolaire et social.
• Impact sur le Développement : Pour les enfants et adolescents, qui sont des "êtres en développement", une prise en charge tardive a des conséquences non seulement sur leur souffrance immédiate mais aussi sur leur trajectoire de vie future en tant qu'adulte.
C. L'Impact du COVID-19 comme Révélateur et Accélérateur
Bien que les difficultés soient antérieures à 2020, la crise sanitaire a agi comme un puissant accélérateur, provoquant une "décompensation" du système et une augmentation exponentielle des demandes de soins. Les experts affirment n'avoir "jamais vécu une situation comme celle-ci".
Les conséquences de cette période, notamment la perturbation du lien social et scolaire, se font encore sentir aujourd'hui sur la santé mentale de la jeune génération.
II. Les Coûts Multiples des Défaillances du Système
L'incapacité du système à répondre aux besoins génère des coûts importants et mesurables à trois niveaux : individuel, familial et sociétal.
L'objet de la commission d'enquête est précisément de démontrer que les "coûts évités" par une meilleure prise en charge sont insuffisamment appréhendés.
Niveau d'Impact
Description des Coûts
Individuel
Familial
Sociétal
La Saturation du Système par le "Défaut d'Aval"
Une défaillance structurelle majeure est le lien entre les structures sanitaires et médico-sociales.
• Occupation Inadéquate des Lits : Il est estimé que 20 à 30 % des lits en hôpital psychiatrique sont occupés par des patients qui n'y ont "rien à faire" et devraient être dans des structures d'aval (Foyers d'Accueil Médicalisés, Maisons d'Accueil Spécialisées).
• Pénurie de Places : Le nombre de places dans ces structures est "bien trop insuffisant". Ces patients, qui ont besoin d'un accompagnement au long cours, bloquent des lits de soins aigus.
• Échec des Politiques Publiques : La décision de fermer l'accès aux structures en Belgique pour les patients français n'a pas été suivie de la création de places équivalentes en France. Aucun chantier de FAM ou de MAS n'aurait été lancé en Île-de-France depuis cinq ans.
III. Axes Stratégiques pour une Réponse Efficace
Face à ce diagnostic, les experts proposent des solutions articulées autour de la prévention, de la formation, de la coordination et de l'évaluation.
A. La Prévention et la Détection Précoce : Une Priorité Absolue
Il est crucial d'intervenir le plus tôt possible pour réduire la "durée de maladie non traitée".
• Périmètre d'Action :
◦ Prévention primaire : Agir sur les conditions de développement (bien-être familial, scolaire, lutte contre les toxiques). ◦ Prévention secondaire : Repérer et soigner précocement les troubles émergents. ◦ Prévention tertiaire : Éviter les rechutes par un suivi adapté et des lieux de vie protégés.
• Champs d'Intervention Clés :
◦ Périnatalité : Mieux détecter et traiter la dépression maternelle (qui touche jusqu'à 25 % des mères) pour le bien-être de la mère et du bébé. ◦ Milieu Scolaire : Le milieu scolaire est un lieu central d'expression de la souffrance.
Il est impératif de renforcer la médecine scolaire et de créer des liens structurés (cellules mixtes, lignes téléphoniques dédiées) entre l'Éducation Nationale et les services de pédopsychiatrie.
• Le Défi : Le système a progressé sur le "repérage" mais échoue souvent à assurer la "prise en charge" intensive et pluridisciplinaire qui doit suivre.
B. Formation et Coordination : Décloisonner les Pratiques
La complexité des situations exige un partage des compétences et un décloisonnement des institutions.
• Formation des Professionnels :
◦ Médecins Généralistes : Ils sont en première ligne (25-30 % de leur patientèle concerne la santé mentale) mais manquent de formation spécifique.
La proposition d'un semestre obligatoire de psychiatrie pour les internes en médecine générale est rappelée. * ◦ Personnels Paramédicaux : Il est nécessaire de former plus largement à la psychiatrie (infirmiers, psychologues) et de revaloriser leurs compétences, par exemple via la supervision. * ◦ Pédopsychiatres : La France est en sous-dotation par rapport à ses voisins européens. Il faut créer plus de postes universitaires pour former la relève.
• Décloisonnement des Soins :
◦ Somatique et Psychiatrique : Développer une double culture et une approche globale de la santé, en intégrant le soin psychique dans les maladies chroniques et inversement. ◦ Lisibilité de l'Offre : L'organisation de l'offre de soins est "complètement opaque" pour les usagers et même pour les professionnels. La création d'un répertoire accessible (par exemple, adossé à Pronote) est suggérée.
C. L'Innovation et l'Évaluation : Piloter par la Donnée
Le système ne pourra s'améliorer sans une culture de l'innovation et de l'évaluation rigoureuse.
• Innovation Thérapeutique : Les traitements actuels ont des limites (un tiers des patients ne répondent pas aux traitements conventionnels).
Il est essentiel de soutenir la recherche et l'innovation (neuromodulation, nouvelles molécules).
• Réforme du Financement : Le mode de financement par "enveloppe globale" en psychiatrie est jugé "illisible", rigide et un frein à l'innovation, car il ne permet pas de financer les nouvelles thérapeutiques coûteuses et ne s'adapte pas aux évolutions démographiques des secteurs.
• Culture de l'Évaluation : C'est une lacune majeure du système français. Les dispositifs de soins, notamment les initiatives innovantes comme les "équipes mobiles", sont lancés sans que leur efficacité ne soit évaluée de manière rigoureuse.
Il est impératif d'intégrer et de financer l'évaluation dès la conception de tout nouveau projet.
IV. Enjeux Spécifiques et Populations Vulnérables
• Les Addictions : Les experts alertent sur l'enjeu majeur des addictions aux toxiques (cannabis, molécules de synthèse), qui inondent le pays et constituent un facteur de risque majeur pour les troubles mentaux, un sujet jugé "un peu abandonné".
• Le Milieu Carcéral : Qualifié d' "aveu d'échec monstrueux", les prisons regorgent de malades mentaux qui échappent souvent à une prise en charge adaptée.
• Les Populations Précaires : Un effort particulier doit être fait pour assurer une continuité des soins auprès des jeunes les plus défavorisés (pris en charge par l'ASE ou la PJJ, familles migrantes), qui sont souvent les plus éloignés du système de santé.
• Le Transfert vers le Privé : Une part importante des lits de psychiatrie a été transférée du secteur public vers le secteur privé.
Or, les cliniques privées n'ont pas les mêmes missions de service public, sélectionnent leurs patients et pratiquent des tarifs qui limitent leur accessibilité.
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
Summary:
Toxoplasma gondii is an obligate intracellular parasite and the causative agent of Toxoplasmosis. Parasite invasion into host cells, intracellular replication, and then egress, which results in the destruction of the infected cell, is central to pathogenicity. This manuscript focuses on understanding how maternal resources (in this case, cellular organelles) are shared between daughter parasites during cell division. Many organelles are single copy, meaning that division and inheritance by the daughters is crucial for successful replication. The major strength of this study was the use of a Halo-based pulse chase assay to characterize patterns of organelle inheritance. The results show that both microneme and rhoptries (secretory vesicles) previously thought to be synthesized de novo are inherited by daughter parasites. Thus, this paper adds new insight to our understanding of cell division in this important parasite.
Strengths:
This study demonstrated that pulse labeling of proteins can be used to monitor protein synthesis, turnover, and movement. This approach will be of great interest to the field. Using this method, the authors demonstrate three main modes of organelle inheritance.
(1) Organelles, where there are multiple copies (such as secretory vesicles, micronemes, and rhoptries), are divided between the daughter parasites, with additional contribution of newly formed vesicles. New and old material remain as separate entities in the cell.
(2) Single-copy organelles, which are expanded to include newly synthesized material prior to division, such as the Golgi and apicoplast.
(3) Cytoskeletal structures that are synthesized anew during each round of division. These studies provide more refined insight into patterns or organelle inheritance and demonstrate that secretory organelles are not made de novo during each round of division as previously thought. The paper has a logical flow, and overall, the data is presented in a clear and organized fashion.
Weaknesses:
(1) Descriptions of methodology and statistical analysis were incomplete.
(2) There are inconsistencies between the data in Figures 1 and 5. In Figure 1, a small amount of maternal IMC is visible in stage 2 parasites. Although this is a ~90% reduction, these parasites should be quantified as parasites with material IMC. However, the graph in Figure 5C indicates that no material parasites have GAPM1a, given that graph 5C is a binary measure (present vs. absent), one would expect a non-zero percent of parasites to have maternal material.
(3) The conclusion from Figure 6 was not justified based on the data. I agree with the author's conclusion that the accumulation of micronemes and rhoptries in the residual body was time-dependent. In Figure 6A, the signal observed in the residual body at times 6:30, 13, and 14 hours is not observed in subsequent time points. However, the fate of these micronemes and rhoptries is unclear. It cannot be concluded that these vesicles are recycled back to the mother. They could also have been degraded. In fact, the graphs of microneme inheritance in Figure 2B show a decrease in maternal signal from 100% to 80% between stages 1 and 2, indicating that some microneme degradation is taking place.
(4) To convincingly demonstrate that the redistribution of micronemes and rhoptries was due to recovery of MyoF protein levels after auxin washout, a Western blot should be performed to show MyoF protein levels over time. In addition, the decrease in mMIC2 protein levels in the residual body in Figure 8F should be measured and normalized for photobleaching. Both apical and basal signals appear to be reduced over the time course of imaging.
Analyse de la Politique de Santé Mentale et de Psychiatrie en France
Synthèse
Ce document de synthèse analyse l'état actuel et les perspectives d'évolution des politiques publiques de santé mentale et de psychiatrie en France, en se basant sur les auditions de la délégation ministérielle dédiée.
Il en ressort un constat central : après plus de trente ans de négligence, où la santé mentale a été le "parent pauvre des politiques publiques", un tournant majeur a été amorcé en 2018 avec la "Feuille de route santé mentale et psychiatrie".
Cette initiative marque une rupture, symbolisant un engagement politique et financier inédit pour rattraper des décennies de défaillances structurelles.
La crise Covid-19 a agi comme un révélateur, exacerbant les vulnérabilités préexistantes du système de soins (pénurie de soignants, hospitalo-centrisme, manque de prévention) et de la population (dégradation de la santé mentale des jeunes, des femmes et des précaires).
Le système actuel est décrit comme largement "illisible", constitué d'une "multitude de particularismes" et freiné par un modèle de financement "anesthésiant" qui décourage l'innovation.
Face à ces défis, une stratégie de transformation profonde est proposée, articulée autour de plusieurs axes fondamentaux :
1. Une gouvernance refondée et interministérielle : Inspirée du modèle du handicap, elle vise à coordonner l'ensemble des politiques publiques ayant un impact sur la santé mentale, en impliquant tous les ministères concernés.
2. Une programmation pluriannuelle : Pour sortir de la logique budgétaire annuelle (PLFSS) et donner de la visibilité financière et stratégique aux réformes sur le moyen et long terme.
3. Une organisation graduée des soins : Renforcer les premières lignes (médecine générale, psychologues, Maisons des adolescents) pour mieux orienter les patients et réserver les services de psychiatrie hautement spécialisés aux cas les plus complexes.
4. Des réformes structurelles du financement et des autorisations : Introduire des mécanismes incitatifs pour encourager l'innovation, les soins ambulatoires et la coopération entre tous les acteurs d'un territoire (public, privé, associatif).
L'enjeu humain reste crucial, avec une crise d'attractivité des métiers liée non seulement à la pénurie mais aussi à une "blessure morale" des soignants due à la perte de sens.
La dynamique actuelle, portée par une mobilisation politique et sociétale sans précédent, représente un "momentum" unique pour amplifier et accélérer ces réformes.
Analyse Détaillée
Un Héritage de Négligence Structurelle
Pendant plus de 30 ans, la santé mentale a été marginalisée dans les politiques publiques, une situation illustrée par plusieurs facteurs structurels :
• Le "parent pauvre" des politiques de santé : Ce statut s'est traduit par une considération "à part" des patients, des familles et des professionnels, tant dans le système de santé que dans la société.
• Une sous-valorisation financière : L'Objectif national de dépenses d'assurance maladie (Ondam) pour la psychiatrie a systématiquement progressé moins vite que l'Ondam pour la médecine, la chirurgie et l'obstétrique (MCO).
• Un pilotage financier "anesthésiant" : Le modèle de la dotation annuelle de fonctionnement (DAF) a largement contribué à freiner l'innovation et l'adaptation de l'offre de soins face à des besoins populationnels croissants.
• Une offre de soins illisible : L'absence de pilotage stratégique fort a conduit à une "multitude de particularismes" territoriaux, rendant le système complexe et difficile à naviguer pour les usagers, les familles et même les professionnels.
Des familles en sont réduites à déménager pour accéder à un secteur de psychiatrie jugé plus performant.
• Une faible culture des données probantes : Malgré l'existence de nombreuses études validées sur les prises en charge efficaces, le secteur a peu intégré ces "données probantes" dans ses pratiques.
La Feuille de Route de 2018 : Une Rupture et un Nouvel Élan
La "Feuille de route santé mentale et psychiatrie", lancée en 2018, est présentée comme une "rupture par rapport à une aboulie de plus de 30 ans".
Elle constitue le point de départ d'une politique de rattrapage, marquée par un engagement politique et financier inédit.
• Qualité et alignement international : La feuille de route est jugée de qualité et conforme aux standards internationaux.
• Enrichissements successifs : Elle a été constamment renforcée par des jalons importants comme le Ségur de la santé, les Assises de la santé mentale et de la psychiatrie, les Assises de la pédiatrie, et les annonces dans le cadre de la grande cause nationale.
• Continuité politique : Malgré une forte instabilité ministérielle (le délégué ministériel a "survécu à 10 ministres de la santé"), la feuille de route a été systématiquement reconduite et enrichie, assurant une forme de continuité dans l'action publique.
• Premiers effets visibles : Les réformes structurelles engagées commencent à porter leurs fruits, bien que leur plein impact ne soit attendu qu'à moyen terme.
Les Vulnérabilités Révélées par la Crise Sanitaire
La crise du Covid-19 a amplifié des fragilités structurelles anciennes, sans pour autant en être la cause première.
• Vulnérabilités du système de soins :
◦ Manque de soignants et départs de l'hôpital public. ◦ Débits de formation insuffisants. ◦ Un "hospitalo-centrisme" persistant. ◦ Pauvreté de la santé primaire et des politiques de prévention. ◦ Fortes hétérogénéités territoriales.
• Vulnérabilités de la population :
◦ Une dégradation de la santé mentale des jeunes, des femmes et des personnes en situation de précarité, un phénomène observé à l'échelle européenne et mondiale.
Vers un Changement de Paradigme : Stratégie et Réformes Proposées
Pour répondre à ces défis systémiques, un changement de paradigme est préconisé, s'appuyant sur des réformes profondes de la gouvernance, de la planification et de l'organisation des soins.
Refonder la Gouvernance sur un Modèle Interministériel
L'action sur les déterminants de la santé mentale (logement, emploi, lutte contre les violences, addictions) ne relève pas du seul ministère de la Santé. Une gouvernance interministérielle est donc jugée indispensable.
Structure Proposée
Fréquence
Objectif
Comité Interministériel
Annuelle
Définir, coordonner et évaluer les politiques publiques en faveur de la santé mentale, sur le modèle du Comité Interministériel du Handicap (CIH).
Conférence Nationale
Triennale
Débattre des orientations et des moyens des politiques de santé mentale, en réunissant l'ensemble des parties prenantes.
Comité des Parties Prenantes
À définir
Formaliser un organe consultatif pour assurer la participation active des usagers, familles, professionnels et autres acteurs.
Délégation Ministérielle
Renforcée
Renforcer ses moyens (objectif de 8 agents) pour lui confier la coordination et le pilotage de la feuille de route devenue interministérielle.
Instaurer une Programmation Pluriannuelle
Le cycle budgétaire annuel du Projet de Loi de Financement de la Sécurité Sociale (PLFSS) est un obstacle à la mise en œuvre de réformes structurelles.
La nécessité d'une vision à long terme est soulignée, avec un plaidoyer pour une loi de programmation qui garantirait une visibilité financière et stratégique sur plusieurs années.
Cette approche permettrait d'investir dans des actions de prévention dont les bénéfices, notamment en termes de "coût évité", ne sont mesurables que sur la durée.
Organiser l'Offre de Soins : Gradation et Coordination
Le système actuel est marqué par un héritage où "tout allait à la psychiatrie". La stratégie proposée vise à structurer une offre de soins graduée :
1. Renforcer les premières lignes : La médecine générale, les dispositifs comme "MonSoutienPsy" et les Maisons des adolescents doivent jouer un rôle de filtre pour les troubles légers à modérés et "refroidir" un certain nombre de situations.
2. Réserver la psychiatrie spécialisée : Le secteur de psychiatrie, avec ses équipes hautement spécialisées (psychiatres, psychologues, IPA, psychomotriciens), doit se concentrer sur les cas les plus complexes et graves.
3. Coordonner tous les acteurs : La réforme des autorisations vise à obliger les différents offreurs de soins d'un territoire (public sectorisé, public non sectorisé, privé) à sortir de leurs "couloirs de nage" pour s'articuler fonctionnellement et se répartir la charge des besoins.
4. Inciter à l'innovation : La réforme du mode de financement introduit des compartiments financiers incitatifs pour encourager les pratiques orientées vers le rétablissement, l'ambulatoire et les alternatives à l'hospitalisation, notamment sans consentement.
La Nécessité d'un "Grand Texte" Clarificateur
Un texte de loi est jugé crucial pour clarifier la politique de santé mentale, remettre de l'ordre dans les "particularismes" et définir des standards de prise en charge basés sur les données probantes.
Enjeux Cruciaux : Ressources Humaines et Évaluation
L'Attractivité des Métiers : Au-delà de la Pénurie
La crise de l'attractivité en psychiatrie est multifactorielle :
• Pénurie et burnout : La pénurie de personnel génère une surcharge de travail pour les équipes en place, créant un cercle vicieux.
• "Blessure morale" : Plus profondément, les soignants expriment une perte de sens. Ils sont confrontés à des situations qui violent leur éthique professionnelle (ex: maintenir un patient attaché pendant plusieurs jours sur un brancard faute de lit), ce qui génère une "blessure morale".
• Redonner du sens : Les dispositifs innovants (ex: équipes mobiles de crise financées par le Fonds d'Innovation Organisationnelle en Psychiatrie - FIOP) rencontrent moins de difficultés de recrutement car ils s'inscrivent dans un projet clair et porteur de sens.
• Formation : La réforme du DES de psychiatrie, en instaurant un passage obligatoire en pédopsychiatrie plus tôt dans le cursus, vise à améliorer l'attractivité de cette spécialité. Pour les infirmières, un renforcement des modules de santé mentale dans la formation initiale et un meilleur accompagnement à la prise de poste ("onboarding") sont des pistes explorées.
Développer une Culture de l'Évaluation
La France est jugée en retard sur l'évaluation de ses politiques publiques.
• Le coût de l'inaction : Des études, notamment anglo-saxonnes, démontrent les coûts socio-économiques phénoménaux de la non-prise en charge des troubles mentaux (estimés à 163 milliards d'euros par an en France par la Fondation FondaMental).
• L'argument du "coût évité" : Investir dans la prévention est économiquement vertueux. Par exemple, il est démontré qu'1€ investi dans des soins psychologiques de première ligne permet d'économiser entre 1,4€ et 1,6€. Cet argument peine cependant à être pris en compte dans les arbitrages budgétaires annuels.
• Évaluation des politiques publiques : Un ensemble d'indicateurs a été mis au point pour suivre les effets de la feuille de route, ce qui constitue une exception. Il reste à développer cette culture au niveau local pour évaluer l'efficacité des dispositifs innovants financés par appels à projets.
Synthèse de l'audition de Santé publique France sur la santé mentale et le handicap
Résumé
L'audition de Santé publique France devant la commission d'enquête met en lumière une dégradation persistante de la santé mentale de la population française depuis la pandémie de Covid-19, touchant particulièrement les jeunes de 18 à 24 ans et les femmes.
Les données de surveillance révèlent une prévalence élevée des troubles dépressifs et anxieux, avec un décalage majeur entre les besoins et le recours effectif aux soins.
Près de la moitié des adultes ayant connu un épisode dépressif caractérisé n'ont eu aucun recours thérapeutique.
Les principaux freins identifiés sont le coût des consultations, la difficulté à se confier et le manque d'information.
Concernant les personnes en situation de handicap, l'agence souligne une lacune importante dans les données de surveillance, rendant difficile la caractérisation fiable de leur état de santé et de leur prise en charge.
L'accès aux données des Maisons Départementales des Personnes Handicapées (MDPH) est identifié comme un levier majeur d'amélioration.
Face à ces constats, Santé publique France insiste sur l'importance cruciale de la prévention.
Les stratégies préconisées incluent le renforcement des compétences psychosociales dès l'enfance, la lutte contre la stigmatisation via des campagnes d'information et la promotion de la santé mentale positive. Des dispositifs comme le programme "Vigilance", qui a démontré un retour sur investissement positif (€1 investi pour €2 économisés en coûts de santé), sont mis en avant comme des modèles à généraliser pour une approche économiquement vertueuse de la santé publique.
1. Rôle et Méthodes de Surveillance de Santé publique France
Santé publique France, agence de santé publique créée en 2016, fonde ses missions sur un triple objectif :
1. Anticiper et répondre aux crises sanitaires, notamment par la gestion des stocks stratégiques de produits de santé et la mobilisation de la réserve sanitaire.
2. Surveiller l'état de santé de la population sur l'ensemble du territoire, y compris ultramarin, en couvrant les maladies infectieuses, chroniques et les expositions environnementales.
3. Développer la prévention et promouvoir la santé.
Pour la surveillance de la santé mentale, l'agence s'appuie sur plusieurs sources de données complémentaires :
• Les enquêtes en population générale :
◦ Réalisées sur des échantillons aléatoires, elles utilisent des questionnaires et des échelles de santé mentale pour évaluer l'état de la population sans poser de diagnostic individuel.
◦ Exemples notables : le Baromètre de Santé publique France (adultes), l'enquête ENABI (enfants de 3 à 11 ans, réalisée en milieu scolaire en 2022), et l'enquête EnCLASS (collégiens).
◦ Pendant la crise sanitaire, l'enquête Coviprêve a permis un suivi plus rapide, bien que moins détaillé.
• Les bases de données médico-administratives :
◦ Le Système National des Données de Santé (SNDS) est une source majeure d'informations.
◦ Les données des services d'urgence (motifs de passage) et de SOS Médecins permettent un suivi en temps réel de certains indicateurs comme les troubles anxieux ou les tentatives de suicide.
L'ensemble de ces données permet d'obtenir une "photographie en vie réelle" de la santé mentale des Français, contribuant à l'élaboration de stratégies de prévention et de campagnes d'information.
2. État des Lieux de la Santé Mentale en France
2.1. Une Dégradation Post-Covid Durable
La surveillance épidémiologique confirme une dégradation nette de la santé mentale de la population française par rapport à la période pré-Covid.
• Populations les plus touchées : Les jeunes adultes de 18 à 24 ans, les jeunes filles et les femmes en général présentent les indicateurs les plus dégradés.
• Persistance : Les différents indicateurs de santé mentale se maintiennent à un niveau élevé, sans retour aux niveaux d'avant la crise sanitaire. Les causes sont multifactorielles (éco-anxiété, système économique, mais aussi une plus grande déclaration due à une libération de la parole).
2.2. Données Clés sur la Prévalence des Troubles
Les enquêtes récentes fournissent des chiffres préoccupants :
Population Cible
Indicateur
Donnée Chiffrée
Source (Année)
Adultes (18-79 ans)
Épisode dépressif caractérisé (12 derniers mois)
1 adulte sur 6
Baromètre SPF (2024)
Adultes (18-79 ans)
Trouble anxieux (12 derniers mois)
6 % de la population
Baromètre SPF (2024)
Enfants (6-11 ans)
Trouble probable de la santé mentale
Plus d'1 enfant sur 10
ENABI (2022)
Enfants (tous âges)
Consultation d'un professionnel pour des raisons psychologiques/d'apprentissage
1 enfant sur 5
ENABI (2022)
Collégiens
Consultation d'un psychiatre au cours de leur vie
1 tiers des collégiens
EnCLASS
2.3. Le Non-Recours aux Soins : Un Enjeu Majeur
Un décalage important est observé entre les besoins exprimés ou mesurés et le recours effectif à une prise en charge.
• Épisodes dépressifs : Près de la moitié (50 %) des personnes déclarant un épisode dépressif n'ont eu "aucun recours thérapeutique" (ni professionnel, ni traitement).
• Troubles anxieux : Cette proportion est de 1 personne sur 3.
• Profils concernés : Le non-recours aux soins est plus élevé chez les hommes que chez les femmes.
• Situations critiques : Près de 40 % des personnes déclarant une tentative de suicide ne se sont pas présentées à l'hôpital et n'ont pas consulté de professionnel de santé par la suite.
2.4. Les Freins à la Consultation
L'enquête Coviprêve a permis d'identifier les principaux obstacles au recours aux soins en santé mentale :
1. Le prix de la consultation (cité par près de la moitié des répondants).
2. La difficulté à se confier ou la peur de ce qu'ils pourraient découvrir sur eux-mêmes.
3. Le manque d'information sur les professionnels et leur rôle.
4. La difficulté à obtenir un rendez-vous.
5. La peur que l'entourage l'apprenne (stigmatisation).
3. La Situation Spécifique des Personnes en Situation de Handicap
Santé publique France reconnaît un manque de données structurées concernant l'état de santé des personnes en situation de handicap.
• Limites de la surveillance : La surveillance de cette population n'entre pas "strictement" dans les missions de l'agence, bien qu'elle soit incluse dans les enquêtes générales.
• Difficultés de caractérisation : Il est difficile d'identifier et de caractériser de manière fiable ces personnes dans les bases de données. L'Allocation Adulte Handicapé (AAH) est le principal repère, mais elle ne couvre que les adultes en âge de travailler avec des handicaps reconnus comme sévères.
• Besoin crucial de données : L'agence attend avec impatience la remontée des données des Maisons Départementales des Personnes Handicapées (MDPH) dans le SNDS, ce qui constituerait un "saut qualitatif et quantitatif" pour mieux orienter les politiques publiques.
• Vulnérabilités observées : Les données existantes montrent que les bénéficiaires de l'AAH sont "proportionnellement plus concernés par des événements cardiovasculaires graves".
4. Stratégies de Prévention et Pistes d'Amélioration
Face à ces constats, Santé publique France place la prévention au cœur de sa stratégie.
4.1. Axes de Prévention
• Prévention primaire :
◦ Compétences psychosociales (CPS) : Développer dès le plus jeune âge (école, associations sportives) des capacités à gérer le stress, communiquer, résoudre des problèmes.
Cette approche, inspirée des modèles anglo-saxons, est de plus en plus acceptée et intégrée, notamment par l'Éducation Nationale.
◦ Promotion de la santé mentale positive : Informer sur les comportements protecteurs (activité physique, sommeil, altruisme, pensée positive) au même titre que la santé physique.
• Lutte contre la stigmatisation :
◦ Mener des campagnes d'information pour dédramatiser les troubles psychiques.
◦ Mettre à disposition des ressources grand public comme le site santémentaleinfoservice.fr.
• Prévention tertiaire (prévention de la récidive) :
◦ Le dispositif Vigilance, qui consiste à rappeler les personnes ayant fait une tentative de suicide six mois après leur passage aux urgences, a fait l'objet d'une évaluation médico-économique très positive. Il est en cours de déploiement dans toutes les régions.
4.2. Pistes d'Amélioration
Santé publique France identifie plusieurs axes pour améliorer la connaissance et l'action :
• Mieux caractériser les personnes en situation de handicap dans les bases médico-administratives et médico-sociales.
• Mieux documenter la santé et le rôle des aidants.
• Poursuivre et développer les enquêtes en milieu scolaire pour un dépistage précoce.
• Renforcer l'information sur les signes de souffrance psychique et les parcours de soins gradués.
5. Enjeux Économiques et Décisionnels
L'audition a souligné la dimension économique de la santé mentale et l'importance de convaincre les décideurs publics d'investir dans la prévention.
• Coût des troubles psychiques : Estimé à 109 milliards d'euros pour la société française, dont près de la moitié en perte de productivité.
• Retour sur investissement de la prévention :
• Nécessité d'un plaidoyer : L'agence travaille au développement d'indicateurs sur le "fardeau de la maladie" (Global Burden of Disease) pour objectiver le poids des troubles sur la société et justifier les investissements en prévention.
Le manque de données fiables, notamment à un niveau territorial fin, reste un obstacle pour convaincre les acteurs locaux.
processo de responsabilização
Processo de Responsabilização - Comissão de 2 ou + servidores estáveis conduzem o processo. Se empregados, devem pertencer ao quadro permanente com pelo menos 3 anos de tempo de serviço; - Prazo de 15 dias úteis para contestação; - Prazo de 15 dias úteis para alegações finais; - Se houver atos ilícitos previstos na Lei Anticorrupção, deverá haver apuração conjunta no mesmo processo. - Aplicação de sanção de declaração de inidoneidade para contratar e licitar é de competência exclusiva de Ministro de Estado/Secretário do Estado; - Contra aplicação de declaração de inidoneidade para contratar e licitar somente cabe pedido de reconsideração no prazo de 15 dias úteis; - Prazo recursal é de 3 dias úteis; - Tanto recurso, quanto pedido de reconsideração terão efeito suspensivo.
autor
Regra Geral (Art. 14, I): A vedação à participação do autor do anteprojeto, projeto básico ou executivo na licitação é a regra geral. O objetivo é proteger os princípios da isonomia, moralidade e impessoalidade, evitando direcionamento e conflito de interesses.
Exceção Principal - Concessões e Permissões: Esta vedação NÃO se aplica aos processos de licitação para concessões e permissões de serviços públicos.
Fundamento Legal Expresso: A permissão é garantida pelo Art. 31 da Lei nº 9.074/1995, que autoriza expressamente a participação dos autores dos projetos nesses certames.
Justificativa: No modelo de concessão, o risco é transferido ao particular, e o foco está na eficiência da prestação do serviço, o que mitiga os riscos de direcionamento do projeto da obra em si.
Exceção Decorrente - Procedimento de Manifestação de Interesse (PMI): A participação do autor dos estudos também é permitida na licitação subsequente.
Aplicação em Estatais (Lei 13.303/2016): Importante notar que a Lei das Estatais (Art. 44, I) segue a regra geral de vedação, aplicando a mesma proibição deste Art. 14.
Document d'Information : Prise en Charge de la Santé Mentale et du Handicap par l'Assurance Maladie
Résumé
Ce document synthétise les stratégies, les actions et les défis de l'Assurance Maladie (CNAM) concernant la prise en charge de la santé mentale et du handicap, tels que présentés lors d'une audition devant une commission d'enquête de l'Assemblée nationale.
La santé mentale représente le premier poste de dépenses de l'Assurance Maladie, avec près de 28 milliards d'euros annuels, dans un contexte de dégradation des indicateurs, notamment une augmentation de plus de 60 % de la consommation d'antidépresseurs chez les jeunes entre 2019 et 2023.
Face à cet enjeu, la CNAM déploie une stratégie axée sur la prévention, la détection précoce et l'organisation de nouvelles filières de soins, incarnée par le dispositif "Mon Soutien Psy" qui a déjà bénéficié à plus de 900 000 assurés.
Concernant le handicap, l'action se concentre sur l'amélioration de l'accès aux soins, une difficulté majeure confirmée par le baromètre Handifaction qui révèle que près de 30 % des personnes concernées rencontrent des obstacles (refus de soins, renoncement).
Les leviers mobilisés incluent l'intégration de mesures spécifiques dans les conventions avec les professionnels de santé (ex: "consultations blanches") et le soutien à des modèles innovants comme les centres "Handiconsulte".
Deux enjeux transversaux majeurs émergent : la conviction que l'investissement dans la prévention génère un retour médico-économique significatif (un euro investi en prévention en santé mentale en rapporterait quatre) et la nécessité de développer des modèles de remboursement pour des professionnels non conventionnés au niveau national (psychomotriciens, ergothérapeutes), ce que la CNAM se dit prête à mettre en œuvre.
Enfin, une alerte forte est lancée sur les pénuries de médicaments, dont certaines sont attribuées non pas à des difficultés d'approvisionnement, mais à des stratégies commerciales de laboratoires qui cessent de livrer la France suite à des négociations sur les prix, qualifiées de "chantage".
Axe 1 : Amélioration de l'Accès aux Soins pour les Personnes en Situation de Handicap
Diagnostic : Difficultés d'Accès et Manque de Données
L'Assurance Maladie identifie l'accès aux soins des personnes en situation de handicap comme un axe prioritaire.
Le diagnostic s'appuie notamment sur le baromètre Handifaction, dont la gestion a été internalisée par la CNAM pour lui donner une plus grande ampleur.
Les résultats de ce baromètre sont clairs :
• Près de 30 % des personnes interrogées déclarent des difficultés d'accès aux soins.
• Ces difficultés incluent des situations de refus de soins, de renoncement ou la nécessité de contacter plusieurs professionnels avant d'obtenir une prise en charge.
Un défi technique majeur demeure : les systèmes d'information de l'Assurance Maladie ne permettent pas d'identifier une personne par sa situation de handicap.
Pour pallier ce manque, la CNAM utilise des indicateurs indirects, comme le statut d'Affection de Longue Durée (ALD) ou le bénéfice de la Complémentaire Santé Solidaire (C2S), considérant qu'une part importante de ces populations est également en situation de handicap.
Leviers d'Action de l'Assurance Maladie
Pour répondre à ces enjeux, la CNAM mobilise plusieurs leviers d'action structurés, notamment dans le cadre de la Charte Romain Jacob, signée et déployée sur l'ensemble du réseau.
Levier d'Action
Description
Engagements Conventionnels
Intégration systématique du handicap dans les négociations avec les professionnels de santé (médecins, dentistes, masseurs-kinésithérapeutes).
Mise en place de mesures spécifiques comme les "consultations blanches" (consultations préparatoires non soignantes pour familiariser le patient et le praticien) qui bénéficient d'une rémunération dédiée.
Offre de Soins Propre
La CNAM gère un réseau de plus de 200 établissements de soins non lucratifs (15 000 salariés) fortement orienté vers la prise en charge du handicap et engagé dans le "virage inclusif".
Accessibilité des Services
Travail systématique sur l'accessibilité physique, téléphonique et numérique des services de l'Assurance Maladie (site ameli.fr, compte Ameli, Mon Espace Santé).
Innovation Organisationnelle
Soutien aux expérimentations (via l'article 51) comme Handiconsulte, qui propose un modèle de rémunération au forfait pour des centres dédiés à la prise en charge somatique (gynécologie, dentaire, radiologie) des personnes handicapées. Un déploiement plus large est à l'étude.
Coordination (PCO)
Participation active au déploiement des Plateformes de Coordination et d'Orientation (PCO), notamment pour les troubles du neurodéveloppement (TND) et l'autisme, qui visent à organiser et solvabiliser une réponse rapide pour les enfants et leurs familles.
Axe 2 : La Santé Mentale, Priorité de Santé Publique et Enjeu Financier Majeur
Constat : Des Indicateurs Alarmants et un Coût Élevé
La santé mentale est un enjeu de santé publique majeur, comme en témoignent les chiffres clés partagés par la CNAM.
Indicateur
Donnée Clé
Dépenses Annuelles
Près de 28 milliards d'euros, ce qui en fait le premier poste de dépenses de l'Assurance Maladie.
Population Affectée
1 Français sur 5 est concerné par des difficultés de santé mentale.
Médication chez les Jeunes
+60 % d'augmentation des prescriptions d'antidépresseurs chez les jeunes entre 2019 et 2023.
Arrêts de Travail
Un tiers des journées d'arrêt de travail sont liées à des troubles de santé mentale.
La tendance épidémiologique générale est jugée "pas bonne", soulignant l'urgence d'agir contre une dégradation continue de la santé mentale de la population, particulièrement depuis la crise du Covid.
Stratégie de l'Assurance Maladie : Prévention et Organisation des Soins
La réponse de la CNAM s'articule autour de deux axes principaux : la prévention et la structuration d'une offre de soins graduée pour éviter le recours systématique au médicament ou à l'hospitalisation.
1. Prévention et Détection Précoce :
• Soutien au programme "Premier Secours en Santé Mentale", notamment auprès des jeunes (universités, missions locales) et en cours de déploiement dans le monde de l'entreprise.
• Relai des campagnes de prévention sur les facteurs de risque, comme l'exposition aux écrans chez les jeunes enfants.
• Détection précoce des troubles du langage à l'école avec des programmes impliquant des orthophonistes pour organiser un "fast track" vers la prise en charge.
2. Organisation du Système de Soins :
• Équiper le médecin généraliste : Reconnu comme la porte d'entrée du système, la CNAM développe des outils et un accompagnement pour aider les généralistes, souvent démunis, à aller au-delà de la prescription de médicaments ou d'arrêts de travail.
• Favoriser la coopération : Soutien aux binômes médecin-infirmier (notamment via l'expérimentation "Sésame") et aux Infirmiers en Pratique Avancée (IPA).
• Structurer des équipes de soins spécialisées de psychiatres pour organiser une offre de téléconsultation coordonnée avec les médecins traitants.
• Éviter l'hospitalisation en renforçant la prise en charge en ville et en structurant des filières d'accès aux soins psychiatriques pour prévenir les hospitalisations non maîtrisées.
Le Dispositif "Mon Soutien Psy" : Bilan et Perspectives
Lancé après une expérimentation en 2018, le dispositif de remboursement des séances de psychologues est considéré comme un levier majeur et un succès par l'Assurance Maladie.
• Montée en charge rapide : Plus de 6 500 psychologues cliniciens (sur environ 20 000) ont rejoint le dispositif, couvrant l'ensemble des départements.
• Impact sur les patients : Plus de 900 000 assurés ont déjà bénéficié de séances remboursées.
• Appropriation par les médecins : Le dispositif a été très rapidement adopté par les médecins traitants, qui y ont vu une réponse concrète à un besoin non satisfait. Cette rapidité d'adoption est qualifiée d'"inédite".
• Évolutions : Les tarifs ont été augmentés et l'accès est désormais direct, sans obligation de passer par un médecin, bien que l'interface avec ce dernier reste encouragée.
Malgré les critiques de certains professionnels, la CNAM estime que le "pari de cette prise en charge est en train d'être réussi" et que le dispositif constitue un progrès majeur.
Thèmes Transversaux et Enjeux Stratégiques
La Prévention comme Investissement à Rendement Élevé
L'Assurance Maladie se dit "absolument convaincue" que l'investissement dans la prévention a un impact médico-économique positif massif.
Cet argument est au cœur de sa stratégie.
• Le principe des "coûts évités" est central : une action précoce permet d'éviter des prises en charge plus lourdes et plus coûteuses à long terme.
• Un chiffre illustre cette conviction : "vous investissez 1 € dans la prévention de maladie en terme de santé mentale, vous en récoltez quatre".
• Cette logique justifie le déploiement de programmes de détection précoce et l'objectif de ne pas aggraver les dépenses de santé malgré la tendance épidémiologique défavorable.
L'Enjeu du Remboursement des Professionnels Non Conventionnés
Un point de friction majeur est la prise en charge de professionnels comme les psychomotriciens ou les ergothérapeutes, dont l'apport est reconnu mais dont le remboursement n'est pas généralisé.
• Le frein réglementaire : Beaucoup de ces professions ne sont pas reconnues comme "professions de santé", ce qui empêche un conventionnement national classique.
• La solution : le conventionnement localisé par parcours : Le modèle développé dans les PCO pour les TND, où des professionnels sont financés dans le cadre d'un parcours spécifique, est vu comme une voie d'avenir.
Les futurs Parcours Coordonnés Renforcés (PCR) permettront de généraliser cette approche.
• Position de la CNAM : L'Assurance Maladie se déclare "prête" sur le plan opérationnel à intégrer et rembourser ces professionnels dès que le législateur ouvrira ces nouvelles possibilités de prise en charge, affirmant ne mettre "aucun frein sur cette dépense".
La Problématique des Pénuries de Médicaments : Au-delà des Difficultés d'Approvisionnement
La CNAM exprime une vive préoccupation concernant les pénuries de médicaments, en distinguant clairement deux phénomènes.
Si des difficultés d'approvisionnement existent, une partie des pénuries relèverait de stratégies commerciales délibérées.
• L'accusation : Certains laboratoires, après avoir atteint leur objectif de population cible dans le cadre de négociations sur les prix avec les autorités françaises, choisiraient de ne plus livrer le marché français.
• Une forme de chantage : Cette pratique est qualifiée de "chantage à la négociation de prix", où l'arrêt des livraisons est utilisé comme un levier pour obtenir des tarifs plus élevés. Les patients sont ainsi "pris en otage".
• La responsabilité des acteurs : La CNAM souligne que dans ces cas, la responsabilité incombe directement au laboratoire qui ne respecte pas sa part du contrat, et non aux autorités publiques qui négocient les prix pour préserver le système de santé.
Citations Clés
Sur l'ampleur de la santé mentale : "Nous sommes aujourd'hui à près de 28 milliards d'euros de dépenses qui sont consacrées à des pathologies en lien avec des thématiques de de santé mentale [...] ça montre quelque part aussi l'investissement d'assurance maladie."
Sur la hiérarchie des soins : "Le premier traitement d'un trouble psychique mineur, c'est la psychothérapie. [...] il n'y a pas d'indication médicamenteuse au départ. Donc les pratiques sont très très loin de ça." - Dr. Catherine Grenier
Sur l'adoption du dispositif "Mon Soutien Psy" : "Honnêtement, on a été [...] surpris [...] on a vu la vitesse à laquelle ce dispositif a été appréhendé par les médecins traitants. [...] Là en l'espèce, ça a été extrêmement rapide, inédit, et ça traduit ce besoin." - Thomas Fatôme, Directeur Général
Sur le rôle des industriels dans les pénuries : "Si un laboratoire dit 'bah en fait si vous payez pas le prix je vous livre pas', ça s'appelle aussi du chantage à la négociation de prix. [...] c'est un peu prendre les patients en otage d'une négociation de prix." - Marguerite Cazeneuve
Sur la logique de la Commission d'enquête : "Cette commission d'enquête, c'est presque une demande d'aide pour nous faire la démonstration qu'il y a une plus-value et que ça dépasse le seul horizon de l'annualité budgétaire." - Sébastien Saint-Pasteur, Rapporteur
Briefing : Prise en Charge de la Santé Mentale et du Handicap en France
Résumé
Ce document de synthèse analyse les enjeux majeurs de la prise en charge de la santé mentale en France, en se basant sur les échanges tenus à l'Assemblée nationale.
Il en ressort un paradoxe central : malgré des efforts budgétaires significatifs et le déploiement de dispositifs structurants, le secteur de la psychiatrie est en proie à une crise profonde, principalement due à une pénurie critique de ressources humaines.
Les points à retenir sont les suivants :
1. Crise d'Attractivité Sévère : La psychiatrie souffre d'un déficit majeur d'attractivité, avec plus de 23 % de postes de praticiens hospitaliers vacants dans le secteur public et 30 % des postes d'internes non pourvus.
Cette pénurie, qualifiée de "cercle vicieux", entrave la capacité du système à répondre à la demande croissante.
2. Dissonance entre Investissements et Réalité de Terrain : Des financements conséquents ont été alloués via des programmes comme le Fonds d'Innovation Organisationnelle en Psychiatrie (FIOP) et des appels à projets pour la pédopsychiatrie.
Le dispositif "Mon Soutien Psy" a également permis de réaliser plus de 2,5 millions de séances.
Cependant, ces efforts se heurtent à une réalité marquée par des délais d'attente, des défauts de prise en charge et un manque de diagnostics.
3. Impératif du Repérage Précoce : Un consensus se dégage sur la nécessité de basculer d'une approche majoritairement curative vers une stratégie axée sur la prévention et le repérage précoce des troubles.
Les médecins généralistes, la santé scolaire et les maisons des adolescents sont identifiés comme des acteurs clés de cette stratégie, qui est perçue comme un levier de "coûts évités" majeur.
4. Angle Mort sur les Données et l'Évaluation :
Il existe un manque critique de données médico-économiques sur l'impact du non-dépistage précoce et des hospitalisations évitées.
Ce déficit de modélisation affaiblit les plaidoyers pour un investissement accru dans la prévention et le suivi post-hospitalisation.
5. Structuration des Parcours et Coordination Territoriale :
Les Projets Territoriaux de Santé Mentale (PTSM) sont considérés comme un outil essentiel pour améliorer la coordination des acteurs.
Leur renforcement et leur évaluation sont des priorités, tout comme le développement de pratiques innovantes pour fluidifier les parcours entre la ville et l'hôpital.
Analyse Détaillée des Thématiques
1. La Crise d'Attractivité des Métiers en Psychiatrie
Le principal frein à l'amélioration de l'offre de soins en santé mentale est la pénurie de personnel qualifié, en particulier de psychiatres.
• Constat d'une Pénurie Sévère :
• Un Cercle Vicieux : Cette crise d'attractivité crée un "cercle vicieux" : les étudiants en médecine réalisant leurs stages dans des services en sous-effectif sont peu enclins à choisir cette spécialité, ce qui perpétue la pénurie.
• Pistes de Solution Évoquées :
◦ Valoriser les stages : Mettre l'accent sur la qualité de l'encadrement des stagiaires pour améliorer l'image de la profession.
◦ Flexibiliser l'exercice : Encourager et faciliter l'exercice mixte (ville-hôpital, public-privé) et le temps partagé, qui correspondent aux aspirations des jeunes médecins ne souhaitant plus un exercice unique et à temps plein.
Des verrous réglementaires ont été levés depuis 2020 pour faciliter l'exercice mixte ville-hôpital.
◦ Formation des paramédicaux : La réforme du métier d'infirmier intègre une obligation de stage en psychiatrie d'une durée minimale.
Par ailleurs, plus de 540 infirmiers en pratique avancée (IPA) en santé mentale ont déjà été formés.
2. Dissonance entre Efforts Budgétaires et Réalité de Terrain
Des investissements financiers importants ont été réalisés, mais leurs effets sont encore insuffisants pour répondre à l'ampleur des besoins.
• Investissements Financiers Conséquents :
• Difficultés Persistantes sur le Terrain :
◦ Malgré ces chiffres, une "dissonance" est constatée entre les efforts budgétaires et la réalité vécue par les usagers et les professionnels : délais d'attente prolongés, défauts de prise en charge et manque de diagnostics.
◦ Il est souligné que le système reste trop focalisé sur le "curatif" au détriment du "préventif".
3. L'Impératif de la Prévention et du Repérage Précoce
Le repérage précoce est identifié comme un axe stratégique majeur pour éviter l'aggravation des troubles et les conséquences sociales et familiales associées.
• Un Axe Prioritaire : Le dépistage est considéré comme "un des axes forts qu'il nous faut développer". Une mission a été confiée à trois personnalités qualifiées pour formuler des recommandations sur ce sujet.
• Les Acteurs Clés du Repérage :
◦ Médecins généralistes : Ils sont en première ligne, assurant 76 % des premières consultations pour troubles psychiatriques et traitant 73 % des dépressions.
L'enjeu est de mieux les "outiller" et de renforcer le lien avec les spécialistes.
◦ Santé scolaire : Une circulaire conjointe (Santé/Éducation Nationale) est en cours de rédaction pour formaliser des "circuits courts" entre les établissements scolaires et les Centres Médico-Psychologiques (CMP).
◦ Maisons des Adolescents : Leur cahier des charges est en cours de rénovation pour y intégrer pleinement la dimension de repérage. Leurs moyens financiers seront renforcés de façon "considérable".
• L'Enjeu des "Coûts Évités" : L'investissement dans la prévention et le diagnostic précoce est présenté non seulement comme une plus-value pour les personnes concernées, mais aussi comme une source d'économies "majeures" pour la collectivité en évitant des prises en charge plus lourdes à long terme.
4. Structuration de l'Offre et Coordination des Parcours
L'organisation des soins sur les territoires et la fluidité des parcours patients sont des défis centraux.
• Projets Territoriaux de Santé Mentale (PTSM) :
◦ Considérés comme un "outil intéressant", ils mobilisent les acteurs du sanitaire, du social et du médico-social.
◦ Chaque PTSM bénéficie d'un poste de coordinateur financé.
◦ Une "deuxième génération" de PTSM est en préparation pour aller plus loin dans la structuration des parcours.
◦ Une carte interactive des PTSM sera mise en ligne sur le site du ministère pour améliorer la lisibilité et le partage de bonnes pratiques.
• Défis de la Coordination :
◦ Post-hospitalisation : L'organisation des sorties d'hospitalisation psychiatrique présente des "vraies difficultés", entraînant des réhospitalisations au coût "relativement conséquent", un point déjà soulevé par la Cour des comptes en 2021.
◦ Innovation organisationnelle : Le FIOP vise précisément à soutenir des projets qui testent de nouvelles organisations pour améliorer la coordination ville-hôpital et la graduation des soins.
5. Manque de Données et Nécessité d'Évaluation
Un "angle mort" important subsiste concernant les données chiffrées, ce qui freine l'optimisation de l'allocation des ressources.
• Absence de Modélisation Médico-Économique :
◦ Il y a un manque de données sur le "coût médico-économique du non-dépistage précoce" et sur les hospitalisations potentiellement évitées.
◦ L'approche culturelle française est perçue comme moins avancée que dans les pays anglo-saxons sur l'utilisation d'outils comme les QALY/DALY pour prioriser les investissements.
• Évaluation des Politiques Publiques :
◦ Le FIOP comme modèle : Ce fonds est cité en exemple pour son processus d'évaluation "extrêmement rigoureuse", menée par des experts indépendants après trois ans de financement, pouvant mener à la pérennisation, la généralisation ou l'arrêt du projet.
◦ L'évaluation des PTSM : Si une évaluation qualitative a été menée (le "Tour de France" de Franck Bélivier), un besoin d'évaluation plus systématique et comparative des performances est exprimé pour mieux identifier et diffuser les bonnes pratiques.
6. Enjeux Spécifiques à Certaines Populations
• Pédopsychiatrie :
◦ Le secteur est "assez dépourvu" en lits, ce qui conduit à des hospitalisations d'enfants dans des services pour adultes.
◦ Une inquiétude est soulevée quant au risque de "surdiagnostic", en référence à un rapport de la Cour des comptes, appelant à une vision plus globale de l'accompagnement.
• Santé Mentale en Milieu Carcéral :
◦ Prévalence élevée : Environ 30 % des détenus présentent des troubles psychiatriques.
Pour beaucoup, l'incarcération représente le "premier contact avec le soin".
◦ Crise d'attractivité aggravée : Les difficultés de recrutement sont "probablement pires" dans ce milieu. L'exemple du centre pénitentiaire de Fresnes, passé de 19 à 6 psychiatres, est emblématique.
◦ Solutions : Le développement de postes à temps partagé est crucial pour attirer des praticiens. Une "feuille de route santé des personnes placées sous main de justice" co-pilotée par les ministères de la Santé et de la Justice vise à travailler sur cet enjeu.
Note de Synthèse : La Politique de Santé Mentale en France selon la Direction Générale de la Santé
Synthèse
Cette note synthétise les perspectives et les actions de la Direction Générale de la Santé (DGS) concernant la santé mentale en France, telles que présentées lors d'une audition parlementaire.
Le constat principal est une dégradation "nette et durable" de la santé mentale de la population depuis la crise du Covid-19, se manifestant par une hausse significative des troubles anxieux, dépressifs et des idées suicidaires, particulièrement chez les jeunes.
En 2023, 23 % des adultes déclaraient un niveau d'anxiété élevé et 16 % se disaient déprimés, des chiffres en nette augmentation depuis 2019.
Le rôle de la DGS se concentre sur la prévention et la promotion de la santé mentale, en amont de la prise en charge psychiatrique. Son action repose sur quatre leviers stratégiques :
1. Améliorer les connaissances et lutter contre la stigmatisation via des campagnes de communication et des actions locales.
2. Promouvoir les comportements bénéfiques, notamment par le développement des compétences psychosociales, l'amélioration du sommeil et la prévention de l'usage problématique des écrans.
3. Renforcer le repérage précoce à travers des programmes comme les "Premiers secours en santé mentale".
4. Déployer une stratégie nationale de prévention du suicide, s'appuyant sur des dispositifs éprouvés comme le numéro national 3114 et le programme de recontact Vigilance, qui réduit de 38 % le risque de récidive.
Malgré ces efforts, des défis majeurs persistent.
La commission parlementaire souligne le décalage entre un diagnostic largement partagé et la mise en œuvre concrète sur le terrain, due notamment à un manque de professionnels (médecins scolaires, psychologues).
Un débat central porte sur la faible culture de la prévention en France, qui privilégie historiquement le curatif, et sur la difficulté à sécuriser des financements pluriannuels pour des actions dont les bénéfices ne sont visibles qu'à long terme.
La "Grande Cause Nationale 2025" est perçue comme une opportunité importante mais dont le démarrage a été freiné par le contexte politique.
1. Rôle de la DGS et Contexte
La Direction Générale de la Santé (DGS) positionne la santé mentale au cœur de ses priorités, avec un bureau dédié.
Son action se distingue de celle de la Direction Générale de l'Offre de Soins (DGOS), qui gère la prise en charge psychiatrique.
La DGS se concentre exclusivement sur les politiques de prévention et de promotion de la santé mentale.
L'approche de la DGS est double :
• Intersectorielle : La santé mentale étant multifactorielle, elle est prise en compte dans tous les milieux de vie (école, travail, loisirs) en lien avec les ministères concernés.
• Populationnelle : Une attention particulière est portée aux publics les plus vulnérables, incluant les jeunes, les personnes âgées, les personnes en situation de handicap, en situation de précarité ou détenues.
Il est précisé que la prise en charge globale du handicap relève de la Direction Générale de la Cohésion Sociale (DGCS).
2. Diagnostic de la Santé Mentale en France : Un Constat Préoccupant
L'Impact "Net et Durable" de la Crise Sanitaire
La crise du Covid-19 a marqué un "véritable tournant", provoquant une dégradation significative et persistante de la santé mentale de la population française.
• Chez les adultes : Selon l'enquête CoviPrev de Santé publique France, en 2023 :
◦ 23 % des personnes interrogées déclaraient un niveau d'anxiété élevé (+6 points par rapport à 2019). ◦ 16 % se disaient déprimées (+5 points par rapport à 2019).
• Populations vulnérables : Les femmes, les jeunes adultes, les personnes précaires et celles ayant des antécédents de troubles psychiques présentent des indicateurs de santé mentale durablement dégradés.
Le Suicide : Une Préoccupation Majeure
Le suicide demeure un indicateur alarmant en France.
• En 2022, le taux de suicide était de 13,3 pour 100 000 habitants, l'un des plus élevés d'Europe.
• Ce taux est trois fois plus élevé chez les hommes que chez les femmes.
• Après une baisse depuis les années 80, le taux a atteint un plateau sur lequel il est devenu difficile d'agir.
La Vulnérabilité Particulière des Jeunes et des Personnes en Situation de Handicap
• Les jeunes : Les indicateurs sont "particulièrement préoccupants".
Le nombre de passages aux urgences pour gestes suicidaires chez les 11-17 ans est en hausse.
En 2023, 86 femmes de 15 à 19 ans sur 100 000 ont été hospitalisées pour gestes auto-infligés, une hausse de 46 % par rapport à 2017.
• Personnes en situation de handicap : Elles présentent un risque suicidaire majoré.
Des études montrent un risque 7 à 10 fois plus important pour les personnes présentant des troubles du spectre autistique.
Des Causes Multifactorielles
Ces évolutions sont attribuées à une combinaison de facteurs :
• Environnementaux : L'éco-anxiété est une réalité, notamment chez les jeunes.
• Géopolitiques et économiques : Les conflits, les attentats et l'instabilité économique.
• Sociétaux : La pression scolaire, les usages numériques et l'exposition aux réseaux sociaux sont corrélés à une dégradation de la santé mentale des plus jeunes.
3. Les Levier d'Action de la Direction Générale de la Santé
Face à ces constats, la DGS déploie une stratégie de prévention et de promotion articulée autour de quatre axes principaux.
Axe 1 : Amélioration des Connaissances et Lutte contre la Stigmatisation
L'objectif est de lever les freins à l'accès aux soins, notamment l'auto-stigmatisation.
• Campagnes de communication : Santé publique France déploie des campagnes grand public et ciblées, avec un site internet dédié.
• Actions territorialisées : Les "Semaines d'information en santé mentale" (SISM) et les "Conseils locaux de santé mentale" (CLSM) sont déployés pour réunir localement élus, citoyens, associations et professionnels.
Axe 2 : Promotion des Comportements Bénéfiques à la Santé Mentale
• Développement des compétences psychosociales (CPS) : Une stratégie interministérielle (portée par 7 ministères) vise à développer dès le plus jeune âge des compétences comme l'estime de soi, la relation à l'autre et l'esprit critique pour renforcer la résilience.
• Qualité du sommeil : Une feuille de route interministérielle a été lancée, rappelant qu'un sommeil altéré double le risque de développer une dépression.
• Prévention de l'usage excessif des écrans : Des actions sont menées pour contrer la corrélation observée entre le temps d'écran, l'exposition à des contenus inadaptés et les troubles dépressifs chez les jeunes.
Axe 3 : Repérage Précoce des Troubles
• Premiers secours en santé mentale : Inspiré d'un programme australien, ce dispositif vise à former plus de 200 000 secouristes capables de repérer les situations de détresse dans leur entourage. Le ministre a annoncé un objectif porté à 300 000 formés d'ici 2027.
• Mon bilan prévention : Mis en place en 2023, ce dispositif invite les citoyens à des âges clés de la vie à faire un bilan global de leurs comportements en santé, incluant la santé mentale.
Axe 4 : Stratégie Nationale de Prévention du Suicide
Cette stratégie, pilotée par la DGS, a permis de mettre en place des dispositifs clés qui ont démontré leur efficacité.
Dispositif
Description
Données Clés et Résultats
3114
Numéro national d'appel pour la prévention du suicide, accessible 24/7.
Plus de 1000 appels par jour. Un budget de 23 millions d'euros.
Vigilance
Dispositif de recontact des personnes passées aux urgences pour une tentative de suicide.
Réduit de 38 % le risque de réitération suicidaire. Retour sur investissement de 2 € pour 1 € investi. Aujourd'hui généralisé à 17 régions.
Prévention de la contagion suicidaire
Plans d'action locaux menés avec les Agences Régionales de Santé (ARS) et les élus pour prévenir les phénomènes de contagion après un suicide.
Efficacité démontrée par des retours d'expérience qualitatifs.
4. Enjeux, Débats et Perspectives
La "Grande Cause Nationale 2025" : Une Opportunité Mitigée
Reconnue comme une opportunité indéniable, la mise en œuvre de la "Grande Cause" a subi un "retard à l'embrayage" en raison du contexte politique (changement de gouvernement). Cependant, elle a permis de :
• Relancer la mobilisation interministérielle sur des thématiques transversales.
• Prioriser et concrétiser des projets, comme la campagne grand public de Santé publique France.
• Labelliser plus de 750 projets locaux, démontrant une appropriation territoriale.
Le Défi des Moyens Humains et de la Mise en Œuvre Locale
Un consensus émerge sur le fait que le diagnostic est connu, mais que l'action sur le terrain manque cruellement de moyens.
• La prévention et le repérage précoce se heurtent à une pénurie de professionnels (infirmières scolaires, médecins scolaires, psychologues).
• Les dispositifs comme les Conseils Locaux de Santé Mentale (CLSM) et les Projets Territoriaux de Santé Mentale (PTSM) visent à améliorer la coordination locale, mais la marche reste haute.
Le Modèle Économique de la Prévention
Le débat met en lumière une tension structurelle dans le système de santé français.
• Faiblesse de l'investissement : Les dépenses de prévention en France représentent 2 à 3 % des dépenses de santé, un niveau bas comparé aux standards de l'OCDE. La France a historiquement privilégié une culture du soin curatif.
• Logique de court terme : Les décideurs politiques sont contraints par des arbitrages budgétaires annuels, alors que les retours sur investissement de la prévention s'étalent sur plusieurs années. Le coût sociétal total des suicides et tentatives de suicide a été estimé à 24 milliards d'euros en 2019.
• Débat sur la pluriannualité : La proposition d'une loi de programmation pluriannuelle pour la santé mentale est avancée pour garantir des investissements à long terme. La DGS exprime une réserve, soulignant que la multiplication de telles lois rigidifie la dépense publique.
Le Dispositif "Mon Soutien Psi"
Ce dispositif, qui permet une prise en charge de séances de psychologue, est reconnu comme un progrès pour lever les freins financiers.
Il est cependant noté qu'il a pu contribuer à une "fuite" des psychologues du secteur public (hôpitaux, Centres Médico-Psychologiques) vers le secteur libéral, affaiblissant la prise en charge des troubles plus lourds qui nécessitent une approche pluridisciplinaire.
5. Focus sur des Populations Spécifiques
• Personnes âgées : Le taux de suicide chez les 85-94 ans est de 35 pour 100 000, soit près du triple du taux de la population générale, un chiffre largement attribué à l'isolement.
• Jeunes : Le harcèlement scolaire est identifié comme un facteur de risque majeur. La DGS collabore étroitement avec l'Éducation Nationale pour déployer les programmes de compétences psychosociales afin de mieux armer les élèves.
• Agriculteurs : Cette population connaît des taux de suicide extrêmement élevés. Des dispositifs spécifiques comme les "sentinelles" sont déployés par la MSA dans le cadre du suivi du mal-être agricole.
l’idéal d’un réseau de publication et de partage à l’échelle planétaire puisse voir le jour et prospérer : être constitué d’un maillage de différents réseaux, demeurer non-propriétaire et sans droits d’accès, et sans filtrage éditorial a priori.
Même si les réseaux ont toutes ces caractéristiques, ils ne sont pas idéales à la société et ils ont des inconvénients à la santé mentale physique, dans la relation entre les être humains, et politiquement, et peut être dans le futur se sera plus pire et on va découvrir des nouveaux enjeux qu’on ne peut pas les contrôler
Synthèse de l'Audition de la Défenseure des droits sur la Santé Mentale et le Handicap
Résumé
L'audition de la Défenseure des droits devant la commission d'enquête de l'Assemblée nationale dresse un tableau alarmant des défaillances systémiques dans la prise en charge de la santé mentale et du handicap en France.
Le handicap constitue le premier motif de saisine pour discrimination (22 % des réclamations en 2024), soulignant un écart persistant entre les droits annoncés et leur effectivité.
Les politiques de santé mentale sont jugées gravement insuffisantes, tant pour les majeurs que pour les mineurs.
La situation est particulièrement critique en milieu carcéral, où la surreprésentation des troubles mentaux, conjuguée à la surpopulation et au manque de soins, conduit à des traitements qualifiés d'inhumains.
Pour les jeunes, les données sont alarmantes (25 % souffrent de dépression), mais les services de pédopsychiatrie sont saturés, avec des délais d'attente dépassant un an, et un manque criant de données fiables pour piloter les politiques publiques.
Le recours abusif à l'isolement et à la contention, notamment sur des mineurs hospitalisés en services pour adultes sans contrôle judiciaire, constitue une atteinte grave aux droits fondamentaux.
Concernant le handicap, la loi de 2005, bien qu'ayant permis des avancées, est loin d'être intégralement appliquée.
L'éducation inclusive reste un défi majeur, marqué par un manque d'AESH, des difficultés d'aménagement des examens et une absence de données précises sur le temps de scolarisation réel.
L'emploi demeure le premier domaine de discrimination, et l'accessibilité (transports, logement, numérique) accuse un retard considérable. Les aides à l'autonomie sont insuffisantes et inégalitaires, notamment en raison du maintien d'une barrière d'âge à 60 ans.
La Défenseure des droits insiste sur le fait que le non-respect des droits fondamentaux représente un coût social et économique élevé à terme, bien supérieur à celui d'un investissement dans la prévention et une prise en charge effective.
L'urgence est de commencer par appliquer les textes existants et de prendre conscience de la détresse de la jeunesse.
Introduction : Rôle et Observations du Défenseur des droits
L'institution du Défenseur des droits est un observateur privilégié des carences des politiques publiques, car la question des droits des personnes handicapées traverse l'intégralité de ses cinq missions :
1. Droits des usagers des services publics
2. Lutte contre les discriminations
3. Protection des droits des enfants
4. Déontologie des forces de sécurité
5. Protection des lanceurs d'alerte
L'institution est également chargée du suivi de l'application de la Convention internationale relative aux droits des personnes handicapées (CIDPH), ratifiée par la France en 2019.
Le Handicap : Premier Motif de Discrimination
Depuis plusieurs années, le handicap est le premier motif de saisine en matière de discrimination. Cette constance révèle une problématique structurelle profonde.
Année
Nombre total de saisines (Discrimination)
Part relative au handicap
Nombre de réclamations (Handicap)
2024
5 679
22%
1 249
Ces discriminations s'exercent dans de multiples domaines, incluant l'emploi, la scolarisation, la santé, la justice, les loisirs, le sport et la culture. L'institution se positionne comme un "très bon observatoire de ce qui ne va pas", mettant en lumière l'écart entre le droit annoncé et son effectivité sur le terrain.
L'Argument Central : Le Coût du Non-Respect des Droits
La Défenseure des droits conteste fermement l'idée que l'application des droits fondamentaux représenterait un coût financier trop important.
Elle soutient au contraire que "c'est le non-respect des droits fondamentaux qui entraînera à terme un coût élevé pour la société", un argument particulièrement pertinent en période d'incertitude budgétaire.
Les Défaillances dans la Prise en Charge de la Santé Mentale
La Situation des Personnes Majeures
La réponse des pouvoirs publics à la crise de la santé mentale, aggravée par la pandémie de Covid-19, reste insuffisante. Un Français sur trois sera confronté à un trouble psychiatrique au cours de sa vie. Les défaillances sont multiples :
• Quantitatives : Offres de soins trop faibles, capacités d'hospitalisation limitées, déserts médicaux.
• Organisationnelles : Système mal organisé et cloisonné entre le sanitaire et le médico-social.
• Humaines : Le secteur de la psychiatrie peine à recruter alors que les besoins augmentent.
Ces carences entraînent des atteintes graves et répétées aux droits fondamentaux, notamment le droit à la santé, avec des délais d'attente excessifs, des ruptures de soins et des inégalités territoriales criantes qui pénalisent les plus précaires.
Cas Spécifique : La Santé Mentale des Personnes Détenues
La santé mentale des personnes détenues se dégrade faute d'un accompagnement adapté.
• Statistiques : Entre juillet 2024 et juillet 2025, la plateforme d'appel pour les détenus (3141) a reçu 1 065 appels (7,6%) pour des difficultés d'accès aux soins et 106 appels spécifiques pour un risque suicidaire.
• Causes de la surreprésentation des troubles mentaux :
• Conséquence juridique : Maintenir en détention une personne nécessitant une prise en charge médicale revient à lui infliger des "traitements inhumains", comme l'a souligné la Cour européenne des droits de l'homme (arrêt GC c. France, 2012).
• Facteurs aggravants : La surpopulation carcérale et l'absence de continuité des soins à la sortie, qui augmente le risque de récidive.
La Situation des Mineurs
Les résultats d'une étude de 2025 (Institut Montaigne, Mutualité française, Institut Teram) sont jugés alarmants :
• 25% des jeunes (15-29 ans) souffrent de dépression.
• Ce chiffre atteint 39% dans les outre-mer, avec des pics à plus de 50% en Guyane, 44% en Martinique et 43% à Mayotte.
Problèmes Structurels Identifiés
1. Manque de données fiables : L'absence de données agrégées au niveau national sur le nombre d'enfants en attente de prise en charge fragilise le pilotage des politiques publiques.
Le rapport de la Cour des comptes de 2023 sur la pédopsychiatrie estime que sur 1,6 million d'enfants avec un trouble psychique, seuls 50 à 53% bénéficient de soins.
2. Inégalités territoriales et pénurie de médecins : La politique du "virage ambulatoire" a renforcé le rôle des Centres Médico-Psychologiques (CMP), mais leur répartition est inégale (10 par département en moyenne, avec de fortes disparités).
Les délais pour obtenir un premier rendez-vous dépassent souvent un an, ce qui est incompatible avec la nécessité d'une intervention rapide.
3. Prise en charge inadaptée : Une source d'inquiétude majeure est l'hospitalisation d'enfants et d'adolescents au sein de services psychiatriques pour adultes, souvent par défaut de solutions dans le secteur médico-social ou en protection de l'enfance.
Mesures d'Isolement et de Contention : Des Pratiques Abusives
Le manque d'effectifs conduit trop souvent à des restrictions injustifiées des libertés, telles que des mesures d'isolement et de contention.
• Pour les majeurs : Le contrôle systématique par un juge des libertés et de la détention (JLD) pour les hospitalisations sans consentement est jugé peu efficace.
Il repose principalement sur l'avis médical, et seules 10% des décisions aboutissent à une levée de la mesure. De plus, aucun contrôle judiciaire n'est prévu pour les soins ambulatoires sans consentement.
• Pour les mineurs : La situation est encore plus préoccupante. Un mineur hospitalisé à la demande de ses parents est placé sous le régime de "soins libres" et ne bénéficie d'aucun contrôle du JLD, même en cas d'isolement ou de contention.
Ce vide juridique constitue une atteinte grave à leurs droits fondamentaux.
Cas emblématique
Une adolescente de 15 ans, atteinte d'autisme sévère, a été hospitalisée pendant plus de deux ans dans un service psychiatrique pour adultes, faute de place en structure médico-sociale. Durant cette période, elle a été :
• Confinée dans une chambre d'isolement verrouillée plus de 20 heures par jour.
• Déscolarisée.
• Privée de soins somatiques essentiels (ex: soins dentaires). Cette situation, loin d'être un cas isolé, illustre les conséquences dramatiques du manque de solutions adaptées.
Les Lacunes des Politiques Publiques Relatives au Handicap
Éducation : Un Droit Garanti mais un Accès Difficile
La loi de 2005 a permis une impulsion mais n'est toujours pas intégralement appliquée.
• Statistiques : 30% des saisines relatives aux droits de l'enfant concernent la scolarisation d'enfants en situation de handicap.
• Obstacles persistants : Inadaptation des locaux et du matériel, rigidité des programmes, formation insuffisante des professionnels.
• Accompagnement (AESH) : Malgré la création de postes, le manque persiste. La loi du 27 mai 2024 prévoyant la prise en charge de l'accompagnement sur le temps méridien par l'État est "très loin d'être effective" en raison de blocages entre les collectivités et les académies.
• Aménagements des examens : Une augmentation inquiétante des réclamations a été constatée en 2024 concernant des refus d'aménagement pour des élèves ou étudiants, parfois au prétexte paradoxal que leurs résultats scolaires étaient bons.
Emploi : Premier Domaine de Discrimination
L'emploi est le domaine où s'exercent le plus de discriminations liées au handicap. Sur les 1 249 réclamations de 2024, 21% concernent l'emploi privé et 24% l'emploi public. L'obligation d'emploi de 6% ne suffit pas à garantir l'égalité de traitement.
• Difficultés récurrentes :
◦ Aménagement tardif du poste de travail. ◦ Non-respect par l'employeur des préconisations du médecin du travail. ◦ Difficultés de maintien dans l'emploi, menant à des licenciements ou des démissions forcées.
Accessibilité : Un Retard Important et Persistant
L'accessibilité est une condition essentielle à la participation sociale et à la jouissance des droits.
• Transports : La loi a été modifiée pour ne concerner que les "points d'arrêt prioritaires", ce qui est jugé insuffisant.
• Logement : L'assouplissement des règles via la loi ELAN est une source d'inquiétude.
• Accessibilité numérique : La dématérialisation a des effets ambivalents. Selon l'ARCOM, peu de sites publics atteignent 50% d'accessibilité et seulement 5% sont totalement conformes. L'ordonnance de septembre 2023 renforçant les sanctions est saluée, mais elle doit s'accompagner du maintien d'accueils physiques accessibles.
Aides à l'Autonomie : Insuffisantes et Inégales
Vingt ans après la loi de 2005, le droit à la compensation du handicap présente des limites flagrantes.
• Barrière de l'âge : Une différence de traitement persiste selon que le handicap survient avant ou après 60 ans. La fusion des régimes, prévue pour 2010, n'a pas eu lieu.
• Prestation de Compensation du Handicap (PCH) :
◦ L'aide humaine est limitée aux besoins essentiels, excluant la vie sociale. ◦ Les aides techniques sont sous-financées. ◦ La PCH parentalité (2021) est critiquée pour ses critères restrictifs et son forfait inadapté.
Conclusion et Recommandations Principales
La Défenseure des droits conclut en réaffirmant l'engagement de son institution et formule plusieurs pistes d'action prioritaires :
1. Application des textes existants : La première urgence, notamment pour le handicap, est "l'application pure et simple des textes votés par le parlement" et la publication des décrets d'application en attente.
2. Priorité à la jeunesse : La santé mentale, grande cause nationale en 2025, doit se traduire par une "véritable prise de conscience collective", en particulier pour les jeunes qui ne peuvent être laissés sans réponse. L'investissement dans les CMP et le dépistage précoce est essentiel.
3. Nécessité de données fiables : Il est impératif de collecter et d'agréger des données précises (ex: nombre d'heures de scolarisation effectives, nombre d'enfants en attente de place en IME) pour permettre un pilotage éclairé des politiques publiques.
4. Formation des acteurs : Une meilleure formation des employeurs sur "l'aménagement raisonnable", des enseignants et des professionnels de santé est indispensable pour faire évoluer les pratiques.
5. Abaisser la barrière d'âge de 60 ans : Il est nécessaire de mettre fin à cette distinction qui crée des inégalités de traitement injustifiées.
6. Décloisonner les systèmes : Améliorer l'articulation entre les secteurs sanitaire, médico-social et éducatif est crucial pour assurer une fluidité des parcours et éviter les ruptures de prise en charge.
Synthèse de l'Audition de Claire Hédon, Défenseure des droits
L'audition de Claire Hédon, Défenseure des droits, a été l'occasion de présenter le rapport annuel d'activité de son institution, soulignant son rôle crucial dans la protection et la promotion des droits et libertés en France.
Elle a exprimé une vive inquiétude face à la fragilisation des droits, exacerbée par un discours qui les présente comme des obstacles, ainsi que par la dématérialisation excessive des services publics et le désengagement de l'État dans les territoires.
Deux alertes majeures ont été mises en lumière : l'ampleur croissante des discriminations et les défaillances de l'administration numérique, notamment pour les étrangers.
1. Mission et Cadre d'Action de l'Institution
La Défenseure des droits a rappelé que son institution, inscrite dans la Constitution, a pour mission de "veiller au respect des droits et des libertés". Ses cinq domaines de compétence sont :
2. Une Inquiétante Fragilisation des Droits
Claire Hédon a exprimé une profonde inquiétude quant à la "fragilisation et l'éloignement des services publics liés à une dématérialisation excessive, un désengagement de l'État dans les territoires", ce qui "conduisent immanquablement à une fragilisation et à un éloignement des droits".
Cette dynamique "mine l'effectivité des droits, génère d'ailleurs du ressentiment contre les institutions, génère aussi des tensions dans la société et abîme le sentiment d'appartenance à la République".
3. L'Ampleur Croissante des Discriminations
Les discriminations sont un "phénomène très préoccupant" dont l'ampleur "inquiète à la mesure d'ailleurs du non recours en la matière".
Elle a fourni des chiffres éloquents :
Hausse de 52 % du nombre de victimes de discrimination entre 2021 et 2022.
Malgré ces chiffres, les réclamations auprès de l'institution ont baissé de 15 % en 2024, ce qui interpelle la Défenseure. Le "non recours" s'explique par la "peur des représailles, le sentiment d'inutilité, le découragement, les difficultés à établir les faits [et la] méconnaissance des droits".
Les discriminations liées à l'origine (cumulées avec nationalité, apparence physique et conviction religieuse) représentent 25 % des réclamations, avec un pic d'appels (+53%) en mai-juin 2024 pour des propos haineux.
Claire Hédon regrette un "essoufflement des politiques publiques" et que la "non-discrimination comme objectif politique a pratiquement disparu du débat public et des discours des décideurs qui préfèrent parler de diversité de lutte contre les discours de haine".
Elle a insisté sur l'importance de faire appliquer le droit existant plutôt que d'ajouter de nouveaux critères.
Des exemples concrets de médiations réussies ont été cités, comme l'accès à un logement décent ou le non-renouvellement de CDD lié à un état de grossesse.
4. Défaillances de la Dématérialisation et Droits des Étrangers
Les réclamations concernant les relations avec les services publics représentent 90 % des saisines, dont 37 % pour les droits des étrangers en 2024 (contre 10 % en 2019 et un quart en 2023).
La "multiplication des dysfonctionnements de l'administration numérique des étrangers en France prive trop souvent les personnes étrangères de la possibilité même de formuler une telle demande".
Ces défaillances touchent majoritairement des personnes déjà intégrées, les plaçant en situation irrégulière et leur faisant perdre emploi et droits.
Les recommandations incluent la reconnaissance du droit à un accès multicanal, la modification du téléservice pour permettre plusieurs démarches simultanées, la facilitation du renouvellement des attestations de prolongation d'instruction (API), et le renforcement des moyens humains dans les préfectures.
Claire Hédon a réaffirmé que, contrairement aux dires du Ministre de l'Intérieur, les dysfonctionnements de l'ANEF n'ont pas diminué.
5. Autres Domaines de Compétence
Les 3073 réclamations en 2024 alertent sur les difficultés scolaires des enfants handicapés (manque d'accompagnement), le problème des "lycéens sans lycée" (plus de 23 600 en 2024), et les "violences éducatives au sein d'établissements scolaires".
La Défenseure a plaidé pour un contrôle renforcé des établissements et un suivi rigoureux des professionnels.
Une décision de décembre 2024 sur la prise en charge d'une femme sous "soumission chimique" a mis en lumière la difficulté à distinguer cet état de l'alcoolisation, appelant à l'amélioration des techniques de détection et à la formation des forces de l'ordre.
Les recommandations incluent l'amélioration de la communication autour du dispositif légal, le soutien financier et psychologique, et la réévaluation du périmètre des autorités externes de recueil des signalements (ex: inclure les ARS).
6. Enjeu Prospectif : L'Intelligence Artificielle
Le recours au data mining dans la lutte contre la fraude présente des "risques de biais discriminatoires", touchant particulièrement les populations précaires.
Un travail est en cours pour garantir une "action humaine" dans les procédures d'affectation scolaire (Parcoursup, Affelnet).
7. Échanges avec les Parlementaires
Les députés ont posé des questions variées, reflétant les préoccupations locales et nationales :
Bien que les délégués puissent intervenir, il est préférable d'éviter ce refus initial.
Elle a souligné le rôle de son institution comme "pôle de stabilité et de permanence" dans un contexte où les droits sont fragiles, appelant à travailler sur l'effectivité du droit existant plutôt que d'en rajouter.
Elle a enfin mis en garde contre le fait de "monter les populations les unes contre les autres", estimant que cela n'est bénéfique pour personne.
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Synthèse de l'Audition de la CNAF sur la Santé Mentale et le Handicap
Résumé
L'audition de la Caisse Nationale des Allocations Familiales (CNAF) devant la commission d'enquête a mis en lumière son rôle substantiel, bien que souvent discret, dans la prise en charge du handicap et de la santé mentale en France.
L'intervention de la CNAF s'articule autour de deux axes majeurs : le versement de prestations financières (légales et pour le compte de tiers) et le financement de services aux familles via sa politique d'action sociale.
Les points critiques à retenir sont les suivants :
1. Gestion de Prestations Financières Clés : La CNAF gère des allocations majeures telles que l'Allocation aux Adultes Handicapés (AAH), représentant 13,8 milliards d'euros pour 1,3 million de bénéficiaires en 2024, et l'Allocation d'Éducation de l'Enfant Handicapé (AEEH), s'élevant à 1,6 milliard d'euros pour 500 000 bénéficiaires.
2. Impact de la Déconjugalisation de l'AAH : La réforme de la déconjugalisation, effective depuis novembre 2023, est un succès opérationnel.
Elle a bénéficié à 66 000 allocataires avec une hausse moyenne de 400 € par mois, incluant 22 300 nouveaux bénéficiaires. Un système parallèle est maintenu pour 31 000 personnes afin d'éviter toute perte de droits.
3. Promotion de l'Inclusion en Milieu Ordinaire : La CNAF promeut activement l'inclusion des enfants en situation de handicap dans les structures de droit commun (crèches, accueils de loisirs) via des "bonus inclusion handicap".
Le succès de ce dispositif pour les accueils de loisirs est notable, avec des dépenses en 2024 ( 53 millions d'euros) dépassant déjà plus du double de l'objectif initial pour 2027.
4. Santé Mentale des Jeunes : La CNAF finance 200 Points Accueil Écoute Jeunes (PAEJ), des structures de première ligne pour les adolescents en difficulté, et travaille à un accord-cadre avec le ministère de la Santé pour mieux articuler ces dispositifs au sein de l'écosystème de santé mentale.
5. Relation avec les MDPH : Bien que des progrès significatifs aient été réalisés grâce à la dématérialisation des flux, les délais de traitement des dossiers par les Maisons Départementales des Personnes Handicapées (MDPH) demeurent un enjeu majeur, obligeant les CAF à mettre en place des procédures de prolongation de droits pour éviter les ruptures de versement.
6. Complexité de l'AAH : Un axe d'amélioration majeur identifié est la simplification de l'AAH. Sa complexité actuelle, notamment pour les bénéficiaires qui travaillent, peut créer des freins à l'emploi et générer des situations d'incompréhension.
La CNAF suggère d'intégrer cette prestation dans le mouvement global de modernisation et de simplification des aides sociales.
Interventions de la CNAF : Un Double Axe d'Action
La CNAF structure son action en faveur des personnes en situation de handicap et de leurs familles autour de deux piliers fondamentaux, inscrits dans sa Convention d'Objectifs et de Gestion (COG) 2023-2027 avec l'État.
1. Versement de Prestations Légales
La CNAF est l'opérateur de versement pour plusieurs prestations essentielles, certaines financées par la branche Famille, d'autres gérées pour le compte de l'État ou de la branche Autonomie. Ce rôle s'effectue en partenariat étroit avec les MDPH, qui sont en charge de l'évaluation médicale et de la détermination des taux d'incapacité.
Prestation
Description
Chiffres Clés (2024)
Allocation aux Adultes Handicapés (AAH)
Assurer un revenu minimal aux personnes en situation de handicap de plus de 20 ans.
13,8 milliards € versés à 1,3 million de bénéficiaires.
Allocation d'Éducation de l'Enfant Handicapé (AEEH)
Compenser les dépenses liées au handicap d'un enfant de moins de 20 ans.
1,6 milliard € versés à 500 000 bénéficiaires.
Allocation Journalière de Présence Parentale (AJPP)
Compenser la perte de revenus pour un parent cessant son activité pour s'occuper d'un enfant malade ou handicapé.
2 848 bénéficiaires (au 30 juin), coût de 261 millions €.
Allocation Journalière du Proche Aidant (AJPA)
Compenser la perte de revenus pour un proche aidant cessant son activité ponctuellement.
1 652 bénéficiaires (au 30 juin), coût de 11 millions €.
2. Financement de Services aux Familles via l'Action Sociale
Le second pilier est financé par le Fonds National d'Action Sociale (FNAS) et vise à rendre les services de droit commun accessibles aux familles concernées par le handicap, promouvant ainsi une politique d'inclusion active.
• Inclusion dans la Petite Enfance (Crèches) :
L'objectif est de favoriser une inclusion précoce pour fluidifier le parcours ultérieur, notamment la scolarisation.
• Inclusion dans les Accueils de Loisirs (Périscolaire et Extrascolaire) :
• Soutien au Répit Familial et aux Vacances :
◦ Les CAF mènent une politique active de soutien au départ en vacances, avec des dispositifs et financements spécifiques pour les familles concernées par le handicap (enfants ou parents). ◦ Le dispositif VACAF permet de faire partir environ 500 000 personnes chaque année. ◦ Des offres spécifiques (séjours passerelles) existent pour les familles nécessitant un accompagnement renforcé.
• Pôles de Ressources Handicap :
◦ La CNAF finance, à l'échelle départementale, des pôles de ressources visant à faciliter la connexion entre les familles et les structures d'accueil de droit commun (crèches, ALSH), levant ainsi les obstacles pratiques et informationnels.
Enjeux et Réformes Clés
La Déconjugalisation de l'Allocation aux Adultes Handicapés (AAH)
Mise en œuvre le 1er novembre 2023, cette réforme très attendue visait à individualiser l'AAH sans tenir compte des revenus du conjoint.
• Un bilan quantitatif significatif :
• Une réforme "sans perdant" :
Articulation avec les MDPH : Fluidité et Prévention des Ruptures
La qualité des échanges d'information avec les MDPH est cruciale pour le versement des prestations.
• Progrès et défis : La dématérialisation des flux a considérablement amélioré et sécurisé les échanges par rapport à la situation d'il y a cinq ans, où les flux papier étaient encore nombreux.
• Gestion des délais : Les délais d'instruction longs au sein des MDPH restent une difficulté majeure.
Pour éviter les ruptures de droits, notamment lors des renouvellements, les CAF pratiquent la prolongation des droits en attendant la décision de la MDPH.
Cette pratique, bien que créant un risque financier (génération d'indus si le droit n'est pas renouvelé), est jugée préférable pour ne pas précariser les familles.
La Santé Mentale des Jeunes : Le Rôle des Points Accueil Écoute Jeunes (PAEJ)
La CNAF a repris le financement des PAEJ, qui constituent une offre de première ligne pour les jeunes en difficulté psychologique.
• Un maillage territorial : 200 structures ont été financées en 2023 sur tout le territoire.
• Un rôle de pivot : Les PAEJ travaillent en réseau, en amont avec le milieu scolaire pour le repérage, et en aval en orientant vers des structures de soin (CMP, Maisons des Adolescents) lorsque nécessaire.
• Vers un cadre national : Des discussions sont en cours avec le ministère de la Santé pour établir un accord-cadre national afin de clarifier les rôles et d'assurer la complémentarité des dispositifs, notamment face au risque de désengagement de certains co-financeurs comme les Agences Régionales de Santé (ARS).
Lutte contre les Erreurs et Gestion des Indûs
La CNAF utilise un algorithme de "datamining" depuis 2011 pour cibler ses contrôles, non pas sur des populations, mais sur des risques d'erreur pouvant générer des versements indus.
• Logique du ciblage : Le système identifie les situations où le risque d'erreur déclarative est le plus élevé.
Il s'agit principalement des prestations sensibles aux variations de revenus déclarées trimestriellement (RSA, Prime d'activité).
• Cas de l'AAH : Les bénéficiaires de l'AAH ne sont pas plus contrôlés en tant que tels. Le risque est plus élevé pour la population spécifique des bénéficiaires de l'AAH qui travaillent, en raison de la complexité des règles de cumul et de la variabilité des revenus à déclarer.
• Solution à la source : La réforme de la "solidarité à la source" est présentée comme la solution principale.
En instaurant des déclarations pré-remplies pour le RSA et la Prime d'activité, elle vise à réduire drastiquement les erreurs à la base et, par conséquent, les contrôles a posteriori et les indus.
L'extension de ce principe à la partie "activité" de l'AAH est une piste de réflexion.
Perspectives et Axes d'Amélioration
Interrogée sur les pistes d'amélioration du système, la CNAF a souligné plusieurs points :
1. Moderniser et Simplifier l'AAH : L'AAH est décrite comme une prestation d'une "grande complexité", qui s'est "hybridée" avec la déconjugalisation (à la fois minimum social et prestation plus large).
Cette complexité peut être un frein à l'emploi et fragiliser les bénéficiaires.
La CNAF plaide pour que l'AAH soit intégrée au mouvement global de simplification des prestations sociales, afin d'améliorer la lisibilité et de ne pas décourager le travail.
2. Reconnaître les Coûts de l'Inclusion : Une étude financée par la CNAF a mis en évidence les "coûts très importants de l'inclusion" scolaire, largement portés par les mères, avec des conséquences parfois lourdes sur leur vie professionnelle (jusqu'à l'arrêt de l'activité).
Cet enjeu justifie les efforts financiers importants des CAF pour soutenir la prise en charge périscolaire.
3. Renforcer le Soutien sur les Temps Périscolaires : La CNAF a intensifié son soutien financier aux ALSH et a étendu depuis 2024 son financement à la pause méridienne.
L'effort financier est considérable : un enfant en situation de handicap en ALSH est financé par la CAF à hauteur de 4,50 € de l'heure, contre 0,60 € pour un autre enfant.
Ce soutien est essentiel pour permettre le maintien dans l'emploi des parents.
AbstractThe vast majority of cancers exhibit Somatic Copy Number Alterations (SCNAs)—gains and losses of variable regions of DNA. SCNAs can shape the phenotype of cancer cells, e.g. by increasing their proliferation rates, removing tumor suppressor genes, or immortalizing cells. While many SCNAs are unique to a patient, certain recurring patterns emerge as a result of shared selectional constraints or common mutational processes. To discover such patterns in a robust way, the size of the dataset is essential, which necessitates combining SCNA profiles from different cohorts, a non-trivial task.To achieve this, we developed CNSistent, a Python package for imputation, filtering, consistent segmentation, feature extraction, and visualization of cancer copy number profiles from heterogeneous datasets. We demonstrate the utility of CNSistent by applying it to the publicly available TCGA, PCAWG, and TRACERx cohorts. We compare different segmentation and aggregation strategies on cancer type and subtype classification tasks using deep convolutional neural networks. We demonstrate an increase in accuracy over training on individual cohorts and efficient transfer learning between cohorts. Using integrated gradients we investigate lung cancer classification results, highlighting SOX2 amplifications as the dominant copy number alteration in lung squamous cell carcinoma.
This work has been peer reviewed in GigaScience (see https://doi.org/10.1093/gigascience/giaf104), which carries out open, named peer-review. These reviews are published under a CC-BY 4.0 license and were as follows:
Reviewer 2: Ellen Visscher
The paper introduces a python package for imputation, filtering, segmentation, feature extraction and visualisation of CNA profiles. It explains some of the elements of the package, and then demonstrates how data from multiple cohorts can be processed and combined using the package preprocessing pipeline. The authors then use processed data from 3 different cohorts to perform cancer type prediction using a CNN. From this, they get an interesting result to find a biomarker that differentiates two different lung cancers. Throughout, they show visualisations using their package. The package itself seems well documented and designed to be used. There is some clarification required in the methods section specifically around the CNN training and the models therein. There is also one major question of whether all the preprocessing steps are actually required for the downstream CNN analysis. Overall, however, this is a well written manuscript, providing a useful software tool for further analysis of CNA data.
Major comments: - CNN section- how are the segments decided- is it based on all the training data, or just data in a batch? - Throughout the results pertaining to figure 3A-C, you call it test accuracy- to be clear is this is based on your CV hold outs? This should be reworded everywhere to reflect this. As cross validation indicates, this is not a test set and is a validation set- which is also the way you use it. - Regarding the above, you have a comment saying: "the best test accuracy without cross-validation was 92.34%". Could you please clarify what you mean by this. Only in the CNN section do you describe your training approach, which does not mention a test or separate validation set. - It reads slightly unclearly- you have a section called "model transfer", but are you training 3 different models- one per dataset? You only have one figure for training results which suggests one dataset, but then you have this section called model transfer? - Re all the above, please dedicate a small subsection in methods making this clearer. Are there dedicated test sets? If your main results are for aggregated data, then what are you testing on to ensure generalisability? What is the point of training the 3 different models on 3 different datasets? Perhaps it would make more sense to hold one dataset out as your test set. In some ways, that is what the model transfer is showing, but it would be less confusing to clarify that aim instead of suddenly introducing 3 models. - If the CNN architecture is essentially the same as in Attique et. al., the performance is basically the same and they use only CNs a gene locations- how does this demonstrate that the preprocessing from CNSistent is necessary or advantageous for this task? Maybe having a result which combines CN calls naively over gene locations and comparing to this across the aggregate datasets would be a good way of comparing? I.e showing that preproccessing does offer an advantage when combining different datasets together? Also because this is what you argue in your abstract. For this analysis you would have to make sure you also compare across the same samples to differentiate between filtering/other preprocessing steps. - In Figure 3I, you say "notice the similarity of chromosome 3 pattern for the correctly classified LUSC samples (red) and the misclassified ones (orange)". This is confusing because the orange and red are not similar. In fact for this whole section, it seems that figure 3I does not align with what you are saying?
Minor comments/errors: - Clarification on why CNSistent needs a reference genome if it's dealing with segments? How is this information used- is it just for the known gaps? - Your caption of Supplementary Figure 1 has a typo about a breakpoint at 16 instead of 14. - You do not explain how you use the knee pt to filter (i.e is it samples above/below the knee pt.) - Your CNN graphic is difficult to interpret and non-standard. - CNN section should clarify at the beginning what the input is and what the output is (i.e a prediction that a sample belongs to a particular cancer type) before explaining the architectural details. - Even though you control for class imbalance, some cancer types are so poorly represented it is unlikely a CNN could learn that, you do kind of mention this in the discussion, but maybe some sort of minimum threshold for inclusion would make sense. - For Fig2D you refer to it as GND, but the axes/title says hemizygosity-are these things equivalent? E.g could have 3-3, low hemizygosity but not diploid? Or if it's aggregated across the whole genome its assumed equivalent? - There is a grammatical error "Runtimes decreased in a near-linearly with the number of compute cores" - You make a comment that "We therefore suspect some TCGA lung cancers might be cases of co-occurring adeno and squamous carcinomas." This is a possibility but given pleiotropy of many phenotypes- it may also be that the biomarker is not always unique to squamous carcinomas.
Suggestions/Nice to haves: - Maybe make it clearer inside the paper what visualisations come with CNSistent. Looking at the software documentation, there's obviously a lot of useful visualisations that come with that- and some of them you have used in Figure 3 for e.g. - Given there are more total CN callers, maybe good to mention somewhere how CNSistent would work for total CNs only. - You remove profiles that you say are uninformative, could you not include this and then just show how accuracy correlates with no. of break-pts (for e.g). In some ways one might think that there could be useful information in few alteration profiles- because those alterations might be more upstream/causal. - The aggregation step could maybe affect downstream analysis. I.e taking the average could introduce CNs that were never called. Even using min/max- this implies a constant copy number in that region, which may lose information- e.g if it is a functional region having two diff CNs across gene might imply non-functionality. Did you explore the effect of aggregation step? Perhaps taking a small enough resolution of segment types would account for this anyway.
AbstractThe ability to differentiate between viable and dead microorganisms in metagenomic data is crucial for various microbial inferences, ranging from assessing ecosystem functions of environmental microbiomes to inferring the virulence of potential pathogens from metagenomic analysis. While established viability-resolved genomic approaches are labor-intensive as well as biased and lacking in sensitivity, we here introduce a new fully computational framework that leverages nanopore sequencing technology to assess microbial viability directly from freely available nanopore signal data. Our approach utilizes deep neural networks to learn features from such raw nanopore signal data that can distinguish DNA from viable and dead microorganisms in a controlled experimental setting of UV-induced Escherichia cell death. The application of explainable AI tools then allows us to pinpoint the signal patterns in the nanopore raw data that allow the model to make viability predictions at high accuracy. Using the model predictions as well as explainable AI, we show that our framework can be leveraged in a real-world application to estimate the viability of obligate intracellular Chlamydia, where traditional culture-based methods suffer from inherently high false negative rates. This application shows that our viability model captures predictive patterns in the nanopore signal that can be utilized to predict viability across taxonomic boundaries. We finally show the limits of our model’s generalizability through antibiotic exposure of a simple mock microbial community, where a new model specific to the killing method had to be trained to obtain accurate viability predictions. While the potential of our computational framework’s generalizability and applicability to metagenomic studies needs to be assessed in more detail, we here demonstrate for the first time the analysis of freely available nanopore signal data to infer the viability of microorganisms, with many potential applications in environmental, veterinary, and clinical settings.Author summary Metagenomics investigates the entirety of DNA isolated from an environment or a sample to holistically understand microbial diversity in terms of known and newly discovered microorganisms and their ecosystem functions. Unlike traditional culturing of microorganisms, genomic approaches are not able to differentiate between viable and dead microorganisms since DNA might persist under different environmental circumstances. The viability of microorganisms is, however, of importance when making inferences about a microorganism’s metabolic potential, a pathogen’s virulence, or an entire microbiome’s impact on its environment. As existing viability-resolved genomic approaches are labor-intensive, expensive, and lack sensitivity, we here investigate our hypothesis if freely available nanopore sequencing signal dat that captures DNA molecule information beyond the DNA sequence might be leveraged to infer such viability. This hypothesis assumes that DNA from dead microorganisms accumulates certain damage signatures that reflect microbial viability and can be read from nanopore signal data using fully computational frameworks. We here show first evidence that such a computational framework might be feasible by training a deep model on controlled experimental data to predict viability at high accuracy, exploring what the model has learned, and using it in a real-world application by application to a bacterial species of veterinary relevance. We finally show that a specific model has to be trained to accurately predict viability after antibiotic exposure of a mock microbial community. While the generalizability of our computational framework therefore needs to be assessed in much more detail, we here demonstrate that freely available data might be usable for relevant viability inferences in environmental, veterinary, and clinical settings.
This work has been peer reviewed in GigaScience (see https://doi.org/10.1093/gigascience/giaf100), which carries out open, named peer-review. These reviews are published under a CC-BY 4.0 license and were as follows:
Reviewer 2: Jakob Wirbel
Summary: Urel and colleagues present a novel computational method to predict viability from metagenomic sequencing data, using the Nanopore squiggle as input. The manuscript is well-written and present an interesting new application, bolstered in particular by the application of explainable AI. However, I have some concerns regarding the generalizability of their method, detailed below.
Major: The way the authors try to exclude contamination in their C. abortus experiment is not optimal, since contaminatants might be at low abundance and therefore not assemble well (especially with the relatively low sequencing output overall). Instead, it would be better to map reads against the reference genome for C. abortus and check if reads predicted to be viable map or if they are unmapped in this test. Maybe viable reads instead map against a database of known contaminants, like skin-resident microbes or other known kit contaminants. (This could potentially bolster their model performance)
The authors claim that their method generalizes well from E. coli to C. abortus, which were killed in two different ways (UV and heat shock). However, if I understood correctly, their extracted DNA was left in the lab for 5 days. During this time, could exposure to sunlight over time have led to similar chemical reactions (meaning twists/kinks in the DNA as well as pyrmidine dimers)? This might be a point to discuss or it could be easily tested by incubating the DNA of the heat-killed C. abortus in the dark.
What is the time-frame of DNA degradation in which the model works best? The authors left the DNA for 5 days, but metagenomic samples are usually processed quite quickly. How would the model perform on samples that were only kept for 1 day after initial killing? At which time of incubation does the model not generalize anymore? For a potential application, it might be useful to know if DNA is viable or not, even if the cells died relatively recently (and in the dark).
Code availability: The github looks great, but as a potential user of their method, I would not want to train my own model. Is it possible to host the model, maybe on Zenodo, so that it could be more useful as an application?
Minor: Lines 96-100 read a bit like a Nanopore commercial and are not really relevant for this paper Line 182: shouldn't heat shock at 120 C inactivate enzymes? Line 206: it is curious to keep the default cutoff just because the results are fine. Why not optimize the F1 score, for example? Fig1B seems to indicate that a probability threshold of 0.48 or something would give a higher F1 score. The decision to keep the threshold at the default value seems arbitrary Line 275: interesting hypothesis. Did you observe quicker decay of pore viability in the dead versus the alive run? Could you provide the pore scan information over the time of the sequencing run as a supplement, maybe, to back up this hypothesis? Line 311: the number does not match the one in the table Line 331: the dead reads are very short. Could you compare just the length of the reads with the viability predictions? Are shorter reads more likely to be predicted to be non-viable? Fig 3a: what does normalized count mean? How about a standard histogram or density plot? Line 442: The most recent version of dorado is v0.8.2.; did you mean v0.4.2? Please adjust.
Synthèse du webinaire : Le programme EVARS, un outil indispensable pour la protection des enfants
Résumé
Ce document de synthèse résume les points clés du webinaire organisé par la FCPE nationale le 23 septembre 2025, consacré au programme d'Éducation à la Vie Affective, Relationnelle et à la Sexualité (EVARS).
Entré en vigueur à la rentrée 2025, ce programme vise à garantir l'application effective de la loi Aubry de 2001, qui rendait obligatoire trois séances annuelles d'éducation à la sexualité, mais qui n'était appliquée que pour 15 % des élèves en 2024.
Les intervenants — Marc Pelletier du Ministère de l'Éducation nationale, Sarah Durocher du Planning familial et l'animateur Didier Valentin — ont unanimement présenté le programme comme un enjeu nécessaire et indispensable pour la protection de l'enfance.
Il répond aux missions fondamentales de l'École : promouvoir l'égalité, lutter contre les discriminations, enseigner le consentement et prévenir toutes les formes de violence.
Le programme est également une réponse directe aux défis contemporains auxquels la jeunesse est confrontée, notamment l'exposition précoce à la pornographie, le harcèlement et les violences sexistes et sexuelles.
Élaboré suite à un vaste processus consultatif et validé par le Conseil d'État, le programme repose sur trois principes directeurs : l'unité thématique, la progressivité stricte des contenus adaptés à l'âge, et la complémentarité avec les autres enseignements. Il est obligatoire et les parents ne peuvent y soustraire leurs enfants.
La mise en œuvre s'appuie sur une formation massive des personnels de l'Éducation nationale et, dans le second degré, sur des interventions complémentaires d'associations agréées, toujours dans le cadre de projets co-construits avec les équipes pédagogiques.
Face aux campagnes de désinformation, les intervenants ont insisté sur la nécessité d'une communication claire auprès des familles pour dissiper les malentendus et réaffirmer que l'objectif n'est pas d'enseigner des pratiques sexuelles, mais de construire une culture du respect, de l'égalité et du bien-être.
Contexte et Justification du Programme EVARS
Un Impératif Légal et une Nécessité Sociale
Le programme EVARS a été conçu pour répondre à un déficit majeur dans l'application de la législation française.
Bien que la loi Aubry de 2001 ait rendu l'éducation à la sexualité obligatoire à raison de trois séances par an, un constat alarmant a été dressé en 2024 : seuls 15 % des élèves en avaient réellement bénéficié.
L'objectif principal du nouveau programme est donc de garantir l'effectivité de cette loi sur tout le territoire.
Marc Pelletier, de la Direction générale de l'enseignement scolaire (DGESCO), a souligné que l'EVARS s'inscrit pleinement dans les missions fondamentales que la Nation confie à l'École, telles que définies dans le Code de l'éducation :
• Promouvoir l'égalité, notamment entre les femmes et les hommes.
• Lutter contre toutes les formes de discrimination, y compris celles fondées sur le sexe, l'identité de genre ou l'orientation sexuelle.
• Éduquer au principe du consentement et au respect du corps humain.
• Prévenir toutes les formes de violence, en particulier les violences sexistes et sexuelles, et contribuer au repérage des situations de violences intrafamiliales, y compris l'inceste.
Répondre aux Enjeux Contemporains de la Jeunesse
Le programme a été jugé indispensable pour outiller les enfants et les adolescents face aux réalités et aux risques de leur époque. Plusieurs statistiques alarmantes ont été citées pour justifier son déploiement :
Enjeu
Donnée Clé
Exposition à la pornographie
23 millions de mineurs y sont exposés chaque mois.
Agressions sexuelles
Un enfant est victime toutes les trois minutes en France.
Violences sexuelles sur mineurs
80 % des victimes sont des filles.
Harcèlement scolaire
Concerne 5 % des écoliers, 6 % des collégiens et 4 % des lycéens qui se trouvent dans une situation de vulnérabilité.
Inceste
160 000 enfants en sont victimes en France.
Pour Sarah Durocher, présidente du Planning familial, l'un des principaux leviers pour contrer la désinformation massive à laquelle les jeunes sont exposés via Internet est une éducation structurée et fiable dispensée à l'école.
Le Soutien des Fédérations de Parents et des Associations
La FCPE, organisatrice du webinaire, a exprimé son soutien "avec force et convictions" au programme.
Pour la fédération, l'EVARS est essentiel pour informer, prévenir, construire une société plus égalitaire, libérer la parole, donner des repères clairs, apprendre à dire non et comprendre la notion de consentement.
La FCPE fait également partie du Collectif pour une véritable éducation à la sexualité, aux côtés du Planning familial et d'autres organisations, afin de parler d'une même voix et de fournir des outils concrets aux familles et aux établissements pour contrer la désinformation.
Élaboration, Contenu et Principes Directeurs
Un Processus de Création Consultatif et Validé
Le programme EVARS n'a pas été créé de manière arbitraire. Son élaboration a suivi un processus rigoureux et consultatif :
1. Groupe de travail (2023) : Mis en place pour analyser les raisons de la faible application de la loi de 2001.
2. Saisine du Conseil Supérieur des Programmes (CSP) : Le ministre Pap Ndiaye a mandaté le CSP pour élaborer un projet de programme, avec une attention particulière à la distinction entre le premier et le second degré.
3. Consultations : La DGESCO a mené de larges consultations sur la base du projet du CSP, incluant des professionnels de l'éducation, des organisations syndicales, des partenaires institutionnels et une consultation publique.
4. Adoption (Janvier 2025) : Le projet a été adopté à l'unanimité des votants au sein des instances consultatives.
5. Validation Juridique (Juin 2025) : Le Conseil d'État a rejeté deux recours administratifs demandant son annulation, confirmant ainsi sa conformité légale et son caractère "neutre et objectif".
Trois Principes Fondamentaux
Le programme est structuré autour de trois principes essentiels pour garantir sa cohérence et son adéquation.
1. Unité : À tous les niveaux, l'enseignement s'articule autour de trois questions structurantes :
2. Progressivité : Le principe le plus fondamental est l'adaptation stricte des contenus et des modalités à l'âge et à la maturité des élèves. Le nom même du programme change pour marquer cette distinction :
Le mot "sexualité" n'apparaît dans le programme qu'à partir de la classe de quatrième.
3. Complémentarité : Les trois séances annuelles forment un parcours cohérent.
L'EVARS est conçu pour compléter les enseignements disciplinaires (SVT, Enseignement Moral et Civique) et les actions éducatives globales de l'établissement (ex: programme de lutte contre le harcèlement).
Une Approche Progressive et Adaptée à Chaque Âge
Niveau
Dénomination
Thèmes Abordés
Maternelle
EVAR
Émotions, identification des parties du corps, notion d'intimité, reconnaissance des adultes de confiance.
Élémentaire (CP-CM2)
EVAR
Sentiments, stéréotypes de sexe, lutte contre les discriminations, consentement (abordé sans forcément nommer le terme), dangers d'Internet, harcèlement.
Collège
EVARS
Changements liés à la puberté, vie privée, respect de l'intimité, sentiments amoureux, respect des différences, prévention des violences (sexuelles, emprise).
Lycée
EVARS
Engagement dans une relation, droit d'être soi, acceptation et pression sociales, construction de relations saines à soi et aux autres.
Il est crucial de noter que le terme "sexualité" est entendu dans un sens global, incluant les dimensions psychologiques, affectives, juridiques et sociales, et non comme un cours sur les pratiques sexuelles.
Mise en Œuvre Pratique et Pédagogie
Le Rôle Central des Personnels de l'Éducation Nationale
Un effort de formation massif est en cours pour accompagner les équipes. Cela inclut des séminaires nationaux, des formateurs académiques, et des parcours de formation en ligne ("parcours magister") accessibles à tous les professeurs.
N'importe quel professeur volontaire peut animer ces séances, pas uniquement les enseignants de SVT.
Les personnels de santé scolaire (infirmières, psychologues) sont des acteurs clés.
Leur connaissance des élèves permet d'adapter les séances aux problématiques locales.
Des protocoles clairs existent pour l'accueil de la parole des enfants en cas de révélation de violences, garantissant que l'enseignant n'est jamais seul face à ces situations.
L'Intervention des Associations Agréées
Le recours à des partenaires extérieurs est encadré :
• Recommandé dans le second degré : Les interventions d'associations sont encouragées au collège et au lycée pour leur expertise complémentaire.
• Non prioritaire dans le premier degré : Le ministère préconise que les séances soient menées par les professeurs des écoles, intégrées au quotidien de la classe.
• Conditions strictes :
◦ L'association doit être agréée par le Ministère, un label garantissant son respect des valeurs de la République et la pertinence de son approche pédagogique. ◦ L'intervention doit s'inscrire dans un projet pédagogique co-construit avec l'équipe de l'établissement. ◦ Un professionnel de l'établissement doit toujours être présent pendant la séance.
Le Planning familial, qui intervient auprès de 3600 établissements, a précisé refuser autant de demandes qu'il en accepte, illustrant la forte demande du terrain.
Déroulement Type d'une Séance : L'Approche de Didier Valentin
Didier Valentin a illustré la pédagogie active et non-jugeante utilisée lors des séances.
• Philosophie : "N'essayons pas de convaincre, tentons de faire réfléchir." L'objectif est la réduction des risques et le développement de l'esprit critique.
• Focus sur le "Relationnel" : Une grande partie du travail porte sur la manière dont les jeunes interagissent, se parlent et vivent ensemble, bien avant d'aborder la sexualité.
• Outils interactifs : Les séances ne sont pas des cours magistraux. Elles s'appuient sur des outils participatifs qui partent du vécu des jeunes :
Questions des Parents et Lutte Contre la Désinformation
Cadre Réglementaire et Communication
• Caractère obligatoire : Il a été rappelé que l'EVARS est un enseignement obligatoire. Un parent ne peut pas demander une dispense pour son enfant.
• Information des familles : Le Ministère recommande fortement que les établissements communiquent de manière transparente sur les objectifs du programme, par exemple lors des réunions de rentrée, afin de "dissiper les malentendus".
• Rôle des parents d'élèves : Les représentants des parents ont un rôle à jouer dans les instances comme le Comité d'Éducation à la Santé, à la Citoyenneté et à l'Environnement (CESCE) pour participer à l'élaboration du projet d'établissement.
Répondre aux Inquiétudes et aux "Infox"
Les intervenants ont reconnu l'existence d'une "panique morale" et de campagnes de désinformation actives. Sarah Durocher a mentionné que certains groupes tentent de se faire élire comme représentants de parents d'élèves dans le but de faire barrage au programme.
Pour rassurer les familles, plusieurs points ont été martelés :
• Formation des intervenants : Les professionnels des associations sont formés (ex: 160 à 400 heures pour le Planning familial) et leur casier judiciaire est vérifié.
• Développement des compétences psycho-sociales : Le programme vise à renforcer les compétences émotionnelles, cognitives et relationnelles des élèves, qui sont des vecteurs de réussite scolaire et de bien-être.
• Une éducation féministe pour tous : Didier Valentin a résumé l'objectif comme une "éducation féministe" visant à déconstruire les stéréotypes de genre pour créer des relations plus égalitaires et, in fine, faire baisser les violences.
Synthèse de l'Audition sur le Service Civique
Résumé
L'audition de la présidente de l'Agence du service civique met en lumière la dualité d'un dispositif de 15 ans, largement salué comme un "vrai succès" par la Cour des Comptes et plébiscité par les jeunes et les structures d'accueil, mais aujourd'hui menacé par des restrictions budgétaires drastiques.
Avec plus de 868 000 participants depuis sa création, le Service Civique s'est imposé comme un outil majeur de cohésion sociale, de mixité et un tremplin d'insertion pour la jeunesse.
Cependant, l'annulation de crédits pour 2025 réduit la cible de 150 000 à 135 000 jeunes, supprimant de fait 15 000 missions et fragilisant un écosystème associatif déjà sous tension.
Les débats ont révélé un large consensus sur la pertinence du dispositif, mais aussi des inquiétudes profondes concernant son financement, les risques de substitution à l'emploi, les allégations de dévoiement idéologique et la tension structurelle entre sa vocation d'engagement citoyen et son rôle de facto dans l'insertion professionnelle.
1. Le Service Civique : Bilan et Impact en Chiffres
Créé par la loi du 10 mars 2010, le Service Civique est un dispositif d'engagement volontaire qui a démontré un impact significatif en 15 ans d'existence.
Fondamentaux du Dispositif
• Public : Jeunes de 16 à 25 ans (jusqu'à 30 ans pour les jeunes en situation de handicap).
• Mission : Mission d'intérêt général auprès d'associations ou d'institutions publiques.
• Durée : Environ 6 mois, avec un maximum de 12 mois.
• Intensité : En 2023, la durée moyenne était de 7 mois avec une intensité hebdomadaire de 27 heures.
• Indemnisation : 620 € par mois.
• Bénéfices : Accompagnement, formation civique et citoyenne (incluant les premiers secours), couverture sociale complète et validation de trimestres de retraite de base.
Bilan Quantitatif
• Total de participants : 868 000 jeunes ont réalisé une mission depuis 2010.
• Missions à l'étranger : 15 000 jeunes ont effectué leur mission à l'international.
• Volume annuel : Près de 90 000 nouvelles missions ont été engagées en 2023.
Pour 2024, le chiffre s'élève à 86 431 entrées en mission, correspondant à l'atteinte de la cible annuelle (avant réduction) de 150 000 jeunes en service civique sur l'année.
• Taux d'occupation : 100 % des places disponibles sont occupées depuis 2023.
Profil des Volontaires et Structures d'Accueil
Le dispositif se caractérise par une forte mixité sociale et de parcours.
Catégorie
Données Clés
Profil à l'entrée
1/3 étudiants, 1/3 demandeurs d'emploi, 1/3 inactifs.
Publics spécifiques
3,3 % de jeunes en situation de handicap.
14 % de jeunes issus des quartiers prioritaires de la ville (QPV).
31 % de jeunes issus de la ruralité.
Structures d'accueil
62 % en associations.
28 % dans l'État et ses opérateurs (ex: Ministère de l'Éducation Nationale).
9 000 organismes d'accueil différents au total.
Taux de Satisfaction et Impact
Le Service Civique est un dispositif très connu et apprécié, tant par les volontaires que par les recruteurs.
• Notoriété : Plus de 9 jeunes sur 10 connaissent le dispositif.
• Satisfaction des volontaires : 85 % des jeunes ayant effectué une mission se déclarent satisfaits.
• Satisfaction des recruteurs : Près de 70 % portent un avis favorable.
• Impact sur le parcours :
◦ Professionnel : 73 % des jeunes déclarent avoir mobilisé leur expérience pour leur parcours professionnel un an après leur sortie. ◦ Orientation : 63 % l'ont utilisée pour leur orientation ou réorientation. ◦ Insertion : 80 % des jeunes sont en emploi ou en formation 6 mois après la fin de leur mission.
• Impact sur l'engagement : 56 % des jeunes poursuivent une activité bénévole après leur mission, contre 36 % avant d'y entrer.
2. La Crise Budgétaire : Un Tournant pour le Dispositif
La principale menace pesant sur le Service Civique est d'ordre budgétaire, remettant en cause le consensus politique et la trajectoire de croissance du dispositif.
La Cible Historique de 150 000 Jeunes
Depuis 2017, un consensus national s'est établi autour d'une cible de 150 000 jeunes en service civique sur l'année, ce qui correspond à environ 85 000 nouvelles entrées en mission par an, soit un peu plus de 10 % d'une classe d'âge.
La loi de finances initiale pour 2025 prévoyait les moyens nécessaires pour atteindre cet objectif.
L'Impact des Annulations de Crédits
• Annulation pour 2024 : Plus de 70 millions d'euros ont été annulés.
• Décret d'annulation pour 2025 : Un décret a ramené la cible à 135 000 jeunes sur l'année, supprimant de fait 15 000 missions.
• Conséquences sur la trésorerie : La trésorerie de l'Agence a été réduite d'une norme prudentielle d'un mois à 15 jours, puis à une hypothèse de 6 jours (9 millions d'euros) pour 2025.
• Gel supplémentaire ("surgel") : Un surgel a été appliqué, dont le dégel partiel est espéré par la ministre.
Conséquences sur l'Écosystème
La réduction du nombre de missions a un double effet :
1. Pour les jeunes : 15 000 jeunes seront privés de cette opportunité, alors que la demande est déjà très forte (3 candidatures enregistrées pour 1 mission disponible).
2. Pour les associations : Cette réduction fragilise le tissu associatif, qui accueille la majorité des volontaires et dépend de leur contribution.
Plusieurs intervenants ont souligné que les associations, déjà confrontées à des baisses de subventions, verront leur capacité d'action et d'accueil diminuée.
3. Thèmes Stratégiques et Initiatives Clés
Malgré les difficultés budgétaires, l'Agence du service civique développe des axes stratégiques pour répondre aux priorités nationales et aux aspirations de la jeunesse.
Les Nouvelles Priorités Thématiques
• Service Civique Écologique : Lancé en avril 2024 avec un objectif de 50 000 missions d'ici 2027. La première étape de 1 000 missions supplémentaires a été dépassée, témoignant d'un "réel engouement" de la part des jeunes et de l'écosystème.
• Service Civique Solidarité Senior : Développé dans le cadre du plan "bien vieillir" pour répondre aux enjeux de société liés au vieillissement.
• Lutte contre le harcèlement scolaire : 1 000 missions ont été dédiées à la prévention et à la lutte contre ce fléau en milieu scolaire, un exemple jugé "archétypal" d'une mission réussie où les jeunes complètent l'action des agents publics sans s'y substituer.
Le Lien avec le Service National Universel (SNU)
L'abandon de la généralisation du SNU a eu un impact. Il était anticipé qu'une généralisation aurait massivement augmenté la demande de Service Civique, portant la cible théorique à 25 % d'une classe d'âge.
L'abandon de ce projet évite une amplification de la tension actuelle entre l'offre et la demande, mais la question du décalage reste "posée de manière cruelle".
Le Déploiement dans les Collectivités Territoriales
Le développement du Service Civique s'est historiquement appuyé sur des partenariats avec de grandes associations nationales.
Le déploiement dans les collectivités territoriales reste un axe de progression : seules 192 intercommunalités sur 1254 disposent d'un agrément.
Un travail a été engagé avec Intercommunalité de France pour faciliter l'accueil de volontaires au niveau local, notamment dans les petites communes.
4. Controverses et Préoccupations Soulevées
L'audition a été l'occasion pour les députés d'exprimer plusieurs critiques et inquiétudes majeures concernant le fonctionnement et la finalité du dispositif.
Le Risque de Substitution à l'Emploi
• Préoccupation : Des députés (notamment du groupe Écologiste) craignent que le Service Civique ne soit utilisé pour remplacer de "vrais emplois", notamment dans les services publics (ex: missions d'accueil).
• Réponse de l'Agence : C'est une "préoccupation constante" et essentielle. Le Code du service national l'interdit. L'Agence contrôle en amont (agrément) et en aval (signalements). La présidente note que le risque de substitution est plus élevé dans le secteur sportif associatif que dans les services publics, où la satisfaction des jeunes est par ailleurs plus élevée.
Allégations de Dévoiement et Questions de Neutralité
• Préoccupation : Le Rassemblement National, s'appuyant sur un article du Journal du Dimanche, a soulevé le risque de "dévoiement" du dispositif au profit de "structures exclusivement tournées vers l'aide aux migrants" ou d'"écoles privées musulmanes", questionnant le respect de la neutralité républicaine.
• Réponse de l'Agence : La présidente a fermement réfuté ces allégations, qualifiant l'article de "mal documenté". Elle précise que l'association La SIMAD n'a accueilli que deux volontaires depuis 2020 et que l'association La Plume Bleue n'en a jamais accueilli. Elle a rappelé que l'Agence travaille avec les cellules préfectorales de lutte contre l'islamisme radical (CLIR) pour renforcer les contrôles.
Un Outil d'Insertion Professionnelle plutôt que d'Engagement Citoyen ?
• Préoccupation : Un député (groupe UDR) a avancé que le dispositif s'est transformé en "simple contrat jeune", servant davantage l'insertion professionnelle que l'engagement citoyen.
Il s'appuie sur une étude de l'INJEP montrant une corrélation entre le taux de chômage des jeunes et le recours au Service Civique, ainsi que sur les fortes disparités territoriales (27,4 % de participation dans les DROM contre 9,5 % dans l'Hexagone).
• Réponse de l'Agence : La présidente reconnaît que les motivations professionnelles sont une évidence et que le dispositif est un "tremplin vers l'emploi".
Elle insiste cependant sur le fait qu'il s'agit d'une expérience allant au-delà d'un "simple contrat", car elle offre une "expérience concrète des valeurs de la République" et vise à "humaniser le service public".
Inclusivité et Accessibilité
• Préoccupation : Le faible taux de participation des jeunes en situation de handicap (3,3 %) a été souligné (groupe Liot).
• Réponse de l'Agence : Ce chiffre est jugé "certainement insuffisant" mais en progression (+1,5 point en 4 ans).
La principale réponse pour améliorer l'accessibilité de tous les publics est de développer une offre "d'ultra-proximité" sur tout le territoire, afin de ne pas rendre un déménagement nécessaire.
5. Citations Marquantes
Sur le succès et la menace (Présidente de la commission) : "La Cour des comptes a souligné, je cite, que le service civique est un vrai succès malgré quelques fragilités.
Ce constat est donc favorable aujourd'hui et menacé par certaines interrogations pour ne pas dire inquiétude sur le devenir de ce dispositif."
Sur l'essence du dispositif (Priska Tevenot, Ensemble) : "S'engager et apprendre de soi, c'est ce qui distingue le volontariat en service civique du simple job étudiant. [...] Le service civique, c'est une école de l'engagement, une école de la vie."
Sur la rigueur budgétaire (Florence Joubert, Rassemblement National) : "Ce dispositif mérite d'être soutenu à condition qu'il ne soit pas dévoyé.
Car nous parlons tout de même d'un financement public de près de 600 millions d'euros par an."
Sur la substitution à l'emploi (Sophie Tailler Paulian, Écologiste) : "Comment éviter que le service civique ne vienne finalement remplacer de vrais emplois et ne soit pas finalement aussi une sorte de sas [...] avant d'entrer dans un vrai emploi ?"
Sur le sacrifice du Service Civique (Florence Erouin Léotet, Socialiste) : "C'est pourtant pour tenter de sauver ce dispositif [le SNU] en échec que l'on choisirait de sacrifier le service civique, un outil d'émancipation et de fraternité républicaine."
Sur la confusion des genres (Maxime Michelet, UDR) : "Le service civique semble être parfois davantage un outil d'insertion professionnelle que d'engagement citoyen."
Sur la finalité du dispositif (Présidente de l'Agence) : "La promesse [du Service Civique] n'est autre encore une fois que de faire l'expérience de l'intérêt général et de la cohésion républicaine, de la mixité sociale. Donc c'est une promesse effectivement supérieure à celle d'un simple contrat jeune."
Sur la valeur ajoutée (Présidente de l'Agence) : "Il [le Service Civique] ne se substitue pas à l'emploi, aux agents publics, mais il humanise le service public. [...]
C'est vraiment un des moteurs qui fait la différence entre l'engagement de service civique et une simple expérience professionnelle."
Synthèse des Auditions de la Cour des Comptes : Enseignement Primaire et CVEC
Résumé
L'audition de la Cour des comptes à l'Assemblée nationale a mis en lumière des diagnostics critiques concernant deux piliers du système éducatif français : * l'enseignement primaire et * la Contribution de Vie Étudiante et de Campus (CVEC).
Concernant l'enseignement primaire, le rapport dresse un "constat d'échec" de la politique publique.
Malgré une dépense croissante (55 milliards d'euros en 2023, soit 2% du PIB), le niveau des élèves français est alarmant, se classant dernier de l'Union européenne en mathématiques en CM1.
Le système aggrave les inégalités sociales et territoriales, avec une organisation du temps scolaire jugée "en décalage avec les besoins de l'enfant", notamment la semaine de 4 jours.
La Cour préconise une refonte du modèle scolaire, incluant la systématisation des regroupements d'écoles, la réforme du statut des directeurs pour leur accorder plus d'autonomie, l'amélioration de l'attractivité du métier d'enseignant et une meilleure association des collectivités territoriales via des conventions triennales.
Pour la CVEC, le bilan est contrasté. Depuis 2018, près de 900 millions d'euros ont été collectés, finançant des actions bénéfiques pour la vie étudiante (santé, culture, social).
Cependant, le dispositif souffre d'un manque de transparence, d'une gestion complexe et d'une sous-utilisation notable des fonds, avec un reliquat de 100 millions d'euros. Le nombre d'étudiants assujettis n'est même pas connu précisément par le ministère.
La Cour recommande de résorber les crédits inutilisés, de renforcer l'information et l'association des étudiants, de clarifier les règles de calcul de la contribution et d'assurer un suivi rigoureux de son utilisation, notamment par un rapport annuel au Parlement.
I. Rapport sur l'Enseignement Primaire : Un Modèle à Réinventer
Le rapport de la Cour des comptes sur les 6,3 millions d'élèves des 48 000 écoles françaises est le fruit d'une analyse nationale et territoriale approfondie.
Il s'articule autour de quatre constats majeurs qui appellent à une refonte structurelle du système.
1. Constat d'Échec : Baisse de Niveau et Aggravation des Inégalités
La Cour qualifie sans équivoque la politique publique d'enseignement primaire d'« échec ». Les indicateurs de performance sont particulièrement préoccupants :
• Niveau Scolaire en Chute Libre : Malgré une dépense par élève en hausse, le niveau suit une tendance inverse.
◦ Mathématiques (CM1) : La France se classe dernière des 21 pays de l'Union européenne participant à l'enquête. ◦ Français :
Après une baisse continue depuis 2001, le niveau stagne, plaçant la France à l'antépénultième place des 18 pays de l'UE évalués.
• Explosion des Inégalités : L'école primaire non seulement reproduit mais "creuse les inégalités".
◦ Déterminisme Social : Une corrélation "très nette" existe entre les difficultés scolaires et l'origine sociale des parents.
Les enfants de cadres améliorent leurs résultats, tandis que ceux des ouvriers voient les leurs diminuer. ◦ Disparités Territoriales :
Des inégalités aigües sont observées, notamment dans les académies ultramarines où, malgré un coût par écolier supérieur de 30%, le niveau des élèves est particulièrement bas.
2. Organisation Inadaptée et Crise d'Attractivité du Métier
L'organisation même de l'école est pointée du doigt comme étant déconnectée des besoins fondamentaux des élèves.
• Rythmes Scolaires : S'appuyant sur l'avis de l'Académie nationale de médecine, la Cour souligne que "l'organisation du temps scolaire n'apparaît pas prioritairement conçu en fonction des élèves".
Le rapport met en évidence le "rôle néfaste de la semaine dite de 4 jours", une spécificité française au sein des pays de l'OCDE où le modèle dominant est la semaine de 5 jours.
• Crise du Recrutement des Enseignants : Le manque d'attractivité du métier est devenu structurel.
◦ Postes non pourvus : En 2024, 1 350 postes de professeurs des écoles n'ont pas été pourvus sur 10 270 offerts (près de 13%).
Dans certaines académies comme Créteil et Versailles, il y a moins d'un candidat par poste.
◦ Facteurs Multiples : Faible reconnaissance sociale, rémunération peu attractive en début de carrière, conditions de travail dégradées et carrières peu évolutives.
3. Le Paradoxe d'une Dépense Croissante pour des Résultats Décevants
Alors que les effectifs sont en forte baisse (prévision de 350 000 élèves en moins entre 2023 et 2028), la dépense publique pour l'école primaire ne cesse d'augmenter.
Indicateur
Données Clés
Dépense Totale (2023)
55 milliards d'euros (2% du PIB)
Part de la Dépense Nationale d'Éducation
29 %
Croissance (2013-2022)
+12 % (+6 milliards d'euros hors inflation)
Répartition du Financement (hors pensions)
État : ~20 milliards d'euros (2022)
Collectivités territoriales : 19 milliards d'euros (2022)
Cette augmentation continue, couplée à la dégradation des résultats, impose selon la Cour de s'interroger sur "l'efficience de la politique éducative".
4. Recommandations pour une Refondation
Face à ce diagnostic, la Cour formule plusieurs recommandations structurelles pour "repenser le modèle actuel de l'école" :
• Gouvernance :
◦ Statut du Directeur d'École : Engager une réforme pour généraliser progressivement la fonction de directeur à temps complet, en commençant par les écoles regroupées, afin de leur donner les leviers pour piloter le projet pédagogique. ◦ Regroupement d'Écoles : Systématiser les regroupements pédagogiques dans les territoires en déclin démographique (18% des écoles comptent déjà une ou deux classes). ◦ Partenariat avec les Collectivités : Établir des conventions triennales entre les services de l'Éducation nationale et les collectivités pour objectiver la politique éducative locale (carte scolaire, bâti, périscolaire).
• Attractivité et Formation des Enseignants :
◦ Recrutement : Diversifier les viviers en ouvrant plus de postes au 3ème concours et permettre des recrutements sur contrats de moyen terme dans les académies en tension.
◦ Formation Continue : Assurer le remplacement systématique des enseignants en formation, favoriser les formations en équipe de proximité et mieux utiliser les crédits budgétaires alloués (60% non consommés en 2022).
• Pédagogie et Bien-être :
II. Rapport sur la Contribution de Vie Étudiante et de Campus (CVEC) : Entre Utilité et Opacité
Issu d'une saisine citoyenne, le rapport sur la CVEC analyse l'utilisation d'une contribution qui a généré près de 900 millions d'euros depuis sa création en 2018.
1. Un Dispositif Utile mais Perfectible
La CVEC a permis de financer des actions diversifiées qui ont contribué à améliorer la vie étudiante : services d'écoute psychologique, épiceries solidaires, ateliers sportifs et culturels, aide à l'équipement numérique. Paradoxalement, sa création s'est accompagnée d'un gain de pouvoir d'achat pour la majorité des étudiants, car elle a remplacé la cotisation à la sécurité sociale étudiante, bien plus élevée (217 € en 2017-2018).
2. Principaux Enseignements et Dysfonctionnements
L'enquête de la Cour met en évidence six points critiques :
1. Sous-utilisation des Fonds : Environ 100 millions d'euros sur les 900 millions collectés entre 2018 et 2024 n'avaient pas été dépensés à la date de l'enquête.
2. Gestion Complexe : Le dispositif est jugé complexe, avec une redistribution par péréquation.
De plus, une sous-évaluation des plafonds a conduit à des reversements de 14 millions d'euros au budget général de l'État.
3. Augmentation du Montant : Le montant est passé de 90 € en 2018 à 105 € pour la rentrée 2024, soit une hausse de plus de 16%, sans que les modalités de calcul soient clairement définies pour en maîtriser la progression.
4. Recouvrement Imprécis : Ni le ministère, ni le réseau des œuvres universitaires ne connaissent le nombre précis d'étudiants assujettis, empêchant de vérifier que tous ceux qui le doivent paient la contribution.
5. Manque de Cadrage : Il n'existe pas de définition claire de la "vie étudiante", ce qui nuit à la cohérence des dépenses.
Les seuils d'affectation (30% pour les projets étudiants et le social, 15% pour la médecine préventive) ne sont pas uniformément appliqués.
6. Manque de Transparence : Les étudiants ont une connaissance "extrêmement limitée" de l'utilisation de la CVEC.
L'information du Parlement est également jugée insuffisante.
3. Recommandations de la Cour des Comptes
Pour remédier à ces faiblesses, la Cour émet cinq recommandations principales :
1. Résorber les reliquats de crédits inutilisés d'ici 2026.
2. Préciser la méthode d'indexation de la CVEC sur l'inflation, en prévoyant un mécanisme de plafonnement de la hausse.
3. Mettre en place des outils pour s'assurer du complet recouvrement de la taxe.
4. Accroître le financement des projets pour les étudiants inscrits dans des établissements non bénéficiaires.
5. Renforcer l'information des étudiants et transmettre au Parlement un rapport annuel détaillé sur l'utilisation de la CVEC.
La Cour souligne enfin que la CVEC "ne pouvait à elle seule répondre à tous les besoins des étudiants", qui relèvent de politiques publiques de plus grande ampleur (logement, santé, précarité).
III. Perspectives et Débats Parlementaires
Les interventions des députés ont reflété une large adhésion aux constats de la Cour, tout en soulignant des points de divergence sur les solutions et des préoccupations politiques spécifiques.
• Sur l'enseignement primaire, un consensus s'est dégagé sur la gravité de la situation.
Les députés ont interrogé la Cour sur les leviers prioritaires à actionner, le bien-fondé du retour à la semaine de 4,5 jours, la nécessité de se concentrer sur les savoirs fondamentaux, et le besoin d'une plus grande autonomie pour les établissements.
• Sur la CVEC, les critiques ont été vives concernant le manque de transparence, les fonds non utilisés et l'augmentation de son montant.
Plusieurs groupes (Écologiste, LFI-NFP, GDR) ont qualifié la CVEC de "taxe injuste" et appelé à sa suppression au profit d'un financement direct par l'État.
Le groupe RN a également dénoncé le financement présumé "d'événements à caractère politique et communautaire".
En réponse, la Cour a insisté sur quatre pistes pour améliorer la transparence de la CVEC : une meilleure association des étudiants aux commissions de décision (en visant un quota de 50%), une communication plus large sur les projets financés (via des portails en ligne, des "ambassadeurs CVEC"), une harmonisation des bilans financiers des établissements, et une clarification des dispositifs pour éviter les doublons.
Synthèse de la Mission Flash sur l'Accompagnement à l'Orientation des Élèves
Synthèse
Ce document de synthèse présente les conclusions de la mission flash sur l'évaluation de l'accompagnement des élèves à la découverte des métiers et à l'orientation, menée par les rapporteurs Arnaud Bonet et Laurent Croisier.
Après quatre mois de travaux et plus de 24 auditions, le rapport dresse le constat d'un système d'orientation perçu comme un "chantier perpétuel" et un "chemin escarpé", source d'angoisse pour les élèves, les familles et les équipes éducatives, en raison de l'absence d'une stratégie nationale claire et de la succession de réformes.
Les conclusions s'articulent autour de cinq axes majeurs :
1. Un parcours d'orientation continu : L'orientation doit être un processus de long terme, débutant dès l'école primaire pour déconstruire les stéréotypes et s'étendant tout au long de la scolarité, en impliquant étroitement les familles.
2. Un accompagnement individualisé : La mise en place d'un référent orientation issu du corps enseignant dans chaque établissement est jugée indispensable, tout comme la création d'un droit effectif à la réorientation et la valorisation des compétences non académiques.
3. La lutte contre les inégalités : Le rapport souligne que l'orientation reste fortement déterminée socialement et propose des mesures pour combattre l'autocensure, revaloriser la voie professionnelle et mieux accompagner les élèves en situation de handicap et ultramarins.
4. La mobilisation des moyens : Des investissements significatifs sont nécessaires, notamment pour la formation certifiante des enseignants, le financement d'heures dédiées à l'orientation et la révision de la carte des Centres d'Information et d'Orientation (CIO).
5. Une coordination renforcée des acteurs : Face aux tensions et à la confusion nées du partage de compétences entre l'État et les Régions depuis 2018, le rapport préconise une clarification des rôles et une meilleure articulation des actions pour offrir un parcours plus cohérent aux élèves.
Au total, 45 pistes d'amélioration sont proposées pour transformer l'orientation d'un parcours subi en un levier d'égalité des chances et d'émancipation, permettant à chaque jeune de construire un avenir choisi.
Analyse Détaillée des Conclusions du Rapport
1. Constat Général : Un Parcours d'Orientation Fragmenté et Anxiogène
Les rapporteurs ouvrent leur analyse en qualifiant l'orientation de "chantier perpétuel" et de "chemin escarpé et redouté".
Ce système est marqué par une succession de réformes qui, faute d'une véritable stratégie nationale, ont abouti à une fragmentation des actions.
L'orientation est trop souvent vécue comme une série de décisions ponctuelles et anxiogènes plutôt que comme un processus continu et réfléchi.
2. Axe 1 : Pour un Continuum d'Orientation de l'École Primaire au Lycée
Pour remédier à cette fragmentation, le rapport insiste sur la nécessité de concevoir l'orientation comme un processus s'inscrivant dans la durée.
• Découverte des métiers dès le primaire : Il est proposé d'anticiper la démarche de découverte des métiers dès l'école primaire.
L'objectif n'est pas d'orienter précocement les élèves, mais d'élargir leurs horizons et de "déconstruire les représentations conduisant à l'autocensure", car "la construction des stéréotypes n'attend pas la classe de 5e".
• Implication des familles : Considérant que les parents sont les "premiers prescripteurs de l'orientation", le rapport préconise d'instaurer un dialogue régulier entre les familles et les équipes éducatives, avec un premier temps d'échange formel dès la classe de 5e.
• Transparence de l'information :
◦ Face à une information abondante mais parfois "paralysante", le rôle de l'ONISEP comme acteur de référence est salué.
La nouvelle plateforme "Avenir(s)", déployée depuis décembre 2023, a vocation à devenir l'outil central pour l'accompagnement de la 5e à la terminale.
Son adoption reste cependant un défi, avec 86 000 élèves connectés au 30 mai 2024, pour un objectif initial de 200 000. * ◦ Une alerte est lancée sur les intitulés des diplômes et des formations, jugés souvent sources de confusion.
• Parcoursup : La plateforme est décrite comme "complexe, opaque et anxiogène". Les rapporteurs recommandent :
◦ D'inscrire dans la loi l'obligation de transparence des algorithmes (déjà publics).
◦ De rendre publics et clairement formulés les critères de sélection des commissions de vœux.
◦ L'un des rapporteurs recommande de "rechercher une alternative crédible à Parcoursup" pour garantir un accueil inconditionnel dans les filières universitaires non sélectives.
• Réforme des stages :
◦ Pour le stage de 3e, il est proposé de permettre de le scinder en plusieurs expériences courtes pour découvrir un panel de métiers plus varié et lutter contre la reproduction des inégalités sociales.
◦ Pour le stage de 2de, il est proposé de supprimer son caractère obligatoire pour en faire un "espace de découverte et d'approfondissement d'un projet personnel".
◦ La diffusion du "job shadowing" (suivi d'un professionnel pendant une journée) est également recommandée.
3. Axe 2 : La Nécessité d'un Accompagnement Personnalisé
L'aide individualisée à l'orientation, bien que prévue dans les textes, n'est pas toujours effective.
Trois pistes sont avancées :
• Un référent orientation dans chaque établissement : La nomination d'un "référent pour l'orientation et la découverte des métiers" est préconisée dans chaque établissement, y compris dans les lycées généraux et technologiques.
Ce rôle devrait être confié à un personnel enseignant, et non à un psychologue de l'Éducation nationale (Psy-EN), pour plusieurs raisons :
◦ Les enseignants sont au contact quotidien de l'ensemble des élèves.
◦ Les Psy-EN sont en nombre insuffisant (ratio estimé à 1 pour 1200 à 1300 élèves). ◦
Les Psy-EN partagent leur temps entre plusieurs établissements et leurs missions sont désormais majoritairement centrées sur le suivi psychologique.
• Un droit effectif à la réorientation : Les parcours scolaires sont jugés "trop rigides".
Le rapport appelle à un "véritable droit à la réorientation", perçu non comme un échec mais comme une opportunité, en créant des passerelles effectives entre les différentes voies.
• Valorisation des compétences non académiques : Le rapport insiste sur la nécessité de repérer et de mettre en valeur les compétences et ressources des élèves, y compris ceux en difficulté scolaire.
4. Axe 3 : Lutter Contre les Déterminismes et les Inégalités
L'orientation scolaire reste "très largement socialement déterminée". Le rapport cible cinq champs d'action :
• Combattre l'autocensure : Encourager les mécanismes d'inspiration par les pairs ("rôles modèles") en mobilisant d'anciens élèves, des étudiants ou de jeunes professionnels.
• Impliquer toutes les familles : Organiser des événements sur l'orientation dans des tiers-lieux (maisons de quartier, mairies) pour toucher les familles les plus éloignées de l'école.
• Revaloriser la voie professionnelle : Pour lutter contre la perception de la voie professionnelle comme un "choix par défaut" et une "orientation subie", il est proposé d'inciter à la création de lycées polyvalents et d'expérimenter des classes mixtes en seconde (générale, technologique et professionnelle) autour d'un tronc commun.
• Élèves en situation de handicap :
• Néobacheliers ultramarins :
5. Axe 4 : Moyens Humains et Budgétaires à Mobiliser
L'atteinte des objectifs nécessite des moyens concrets.
• Formation des personnels : Mettre en place une formation obligatoire et certifiante à l'orientation pour les enseignants, tant en formation initiale (INSPÉ) que continue.
• Financement des heures dédiées : Les volumes horaires prévus (12h en 4e, 36h en 3e, 54h au lycée) sont souvent indicatifs et non financés.
Le rapport demande que ces heures soient intégrées à l'emploi du temps et que le référent orientation bénéficie d'une décharge horaire sur ses obligations de service, plutôt qu'une simple indemnité via le "Pacte enseignant".
• Rôle des Psy-EN et carte des CIO :
6. Axe 5 : Améliorer la Coordination entre les Acteurs
La loi de 2018 confiant l'information sur les métiers aux Régions a créé une source de "confusion" et de "tension" avec l'État, responsable du conseil.
• Un partage de compétences flou : Un consensus se dégage sur la nécessité de clarifier les missions de chacun, sans pour autant opérer un nouveau transfert de compétences vers les Régions.
• Une offre régionale méconnue : L'action des Régions est mal connue des établissements.
Selon la Cour des comptes (2022), seuls 22 % des établissements déclarent avoir recours aux ressources régionales documentaires et 12 % aux dispositifs régionaux.
• Des outils de coordination inopérants : Le programme annuel d'orientation, qui doit articuler les actions de la Région et le projet de l'établissement, n'est que très rarement mis en place.
• Recommandations de coordination :
Synthèse du Rapport sur les Impacts des Réformes du Baccalauréat Professionnel
Résumé
Ce document de synthèse analyse les conclusions d'un rapport parlementaire sur les réformes successives du baccalauréat professionnel.
Le diagnostic central est sans appel : malgré un discours politique constant valorisant la voie professionnelle comme une filière d'excellence, celle-ci demeure une "voie de garage" perçue négativement, marquée par une forte ségrégation sociale et scolaire.
Les réformes successives depuis 2009, notamment le passage du bac en trois ans, sont identifiées comme la source d'une baisse continue du niveau des élèves. Cette érosion est principalement due à une réduction drastique du volume horaire des enseignements, en particulier généraux, ce qui affaiblit les savoirs fondamentaux des bacheliers.
En conséquence, leur insertion professionnelle se dégrade (taux d'emploi à 6 mois passé de 50% en 2011 à 45% en 2022) et leur poursuite d'études, bien que croissante, se solde par un taux d'échec élevé (41% en BTS), qualifié de "gâchis humain" et de "trahison".
Les dispositifs récents, tels que le "parcours différencié" en terminale, sont jugés contre-productifs, générant un absentéisme massif et des difficultés d'organisation insolubles.
Le rapport préconise des mesures correctrices, dont la possibilité d'une quatrième année de formation pour les élèves en difficulté, et critique le manque de vision stratégique et de concertation qui caractérise les politiques menées.
1. Diagnostic d'une Voie Dévalorisée et Ségrégative
Le rapport dresse un portrait sombre de la perception et de la composition sociologique du baccalauréat professionnel, soulignant une hypocrisie politique persistante.
1.1. Une Perception Négative et une Hypocrisie Institutionnelle
Bien qu'un bachelier sur trois soit titulaire d'un baccalauréat professionnel (173 000 lauréats en 2024), le diplôme souffre d'un déficit d'image majeur.
• Absence de Célébration : Le rapport note que "l'on ne fête que rarement la réussite au baccalauréat professionnel", un détail révélateur du regard porté sur ce diplôme par les élèves eux-mêmes et la société.
• Discours Politique Contredit par les Faits : Les responsables politiques de tous bords promeuvent la voie professionnelle comme une "voie d'excellence", mais cette rhétorique masque une réalité de relégation et de promesses non tenues.
Le rapport dénonce une "forme d'hypocrisie consistant à porter au Pinacle cette voie de formation tout en tolérant la relégation".
• Double Discours Interne : L'institution scolaire elle-même entretient une ambiguïté, certaines autorités académiques reprochant aux collèges d'orienter "en trop grand nombre" des élèves vers le bac pro, leur "manquant d'ambition".
1.2. Un Concentré de Difficultés et une Ségrégation Sociale Massive
Les lycées professionnels concentrent les difficultés du système éducatif et fonctionnent comme une zone de ségrégation sociale.
• Surreprésentation des Milieux Populaires : 70 % des élèves ont des parents employés, ouvriers ou inactifs, contre moins de 40 % dans les voies générale et technologique.
• Poids de l'Éducation Prioritaire : 29 % des élèves de REP+ et 26 % des élèves de REP s'orientent en seconde professionnelle, contre 18 % hors éducation prioritaire et seulement 10 % issus du privé.
• Concentration des Élèves à Besoins Éducatifs Particuliers :
◦ Les jeunes en situation de handicap sont cinq fois plus nombreux en lycée professionnel qu'en filière générale. ◦ 42 % des élèves allophones scolarisés en lycée le sont en formation professionnelle.
• Orientation Subie : La voie professionnelle est majoritairement une orientation par défaut pour les élèves au niveau scolaire jugé insuffisant. Près de 80 % des élèves du décile le plus faible en 6ème rejoignent un CAP ou une seconde professionnelle, contre seulement 1,8 % des élèves du décile le plus élevé.
2. L'Érosion du Niveau : Causes et Conséquences
Le rapport conteste fermement la thèse ministérielle d'une élévation du niveau et identifie la réduction du temps de formation comme la cause principale de la baisse des compétences des bacheliers.
2.1. Le Passage au Bac en 3 ans : "La Mère de Toutes les Contre-réformes"
La réforme de 2009, passant le cursus de 4 à 3 ans, est considérée comme la décision fondatrice de la dégradation de la filière.
• Logique Erronée d'Égalité : La réforme visait "l'égale dignité" avec les filières générales en alignant la durée des études.
Le rapport critique cette approche, arguant que "le principe d'égalité impose de traiter de façon identique des situations identiques mais n'impose nullement de traiter de façon identique des situations différentes".
Les élèves de la voie professionnelle, ayant des acquis scolaires plus faibles, nécessitaient au contraire un soutien renforcé.
• Avertissements Ignorés : Dès 2005, un rapport de l'Inspection Générale prévenait qu'une "grande majorité d'élèves ne peut pas suivre un parcours vers un baccalauréat professionnel en 3 ans".
2.2. Une Diminution Continue du Volume d'Enseignement
Les réformes successives ont entraîné une baisse constante du temps de formation, affectant particulièrement les savoirs fondamentaux.
Année de Réforme
Volume Horaire Total (sur 3 ans)
Volume des Enseignements Généraux (sur 3 ans)
2009
2900 heures
1218 heures
2018
2520 heures
-
2023
2350 heures
1070 heures
Cette réduction a eu pour conséquence une "perte de connaissance générale et de compétences professionnelles", un "déficit de maturité et de savoir-être" unanimement dénoncés par les syndicats, organisations patronales et experts entendus.
3. Insertion Professionnelle et Poursuite d'Études : Un Double Échec
La dévalorisation du diplôme se traduit par une insertion sur le marché du travail plus difficile et un parcours du combattant pour ceux qui poursuivent des études supérieures.
3.1. Une Insertion Professionnelle en Déclin
• Taux d'emploi à 6 mois : Pour les bacheliers professionnels ne poursuivant pas leurs études, ce taux est passé de plus de 50 % en 2011 à 45 % en 2022.
L'insertion des titulaires de CAP a diminué dans des proportions similaires.
• Comparaison avec le BTS : Le taux d'emploi à 6 mois pour les titulaires d'un BTS atteint 64 %, ce qui explique l'attrait pour la poursuite d'études.
3.2. Une Poursuite d'Études Risquée et Coûteuse
Face à une insertion dégradée, de plus en plus d'élèves se tournent vers l'enseignement supérieur, souvent sans y être préparés.
• Augmentation de la Poursuite d'Études : 47 % des bacheliers professionnels poursuivent leurs études, contre 34 % en 2010, majoritairement en BTS.
• Un Taux d'Échec Massif : 41 % des bacheliers professionnels engagés en BTS échouent à obtenir leur diplôme. Leur taux de réussite est inférieur de 15 à 25 points à celui des bacheliers généraux ou technologiques.
• Un "Gâchis Humain" : Le rapport dénonce "les illusions perdues, un incroyable gâchi humain et osons le mot une forme de trahison" envers des élèves encouragés à continuer sans avoir les bases nécessaires ("fossé parfois infranchissable").
4. Analyse Critique des Dispositifs des Réformes de 2018 et 2023
Les réformes les plus récentes sont décrites comme une accumulation de dispositifs "cosmétiques" ou "contre-productifs", mis en œuvre sans vision cohérente.
4.1. Dispositifs Jugés Inefficaces
• Familles de Métiers : Censées permettre une orientation progressive, elles ont en réalité "contribué à complexifier les parcours" et entraînent une "confiscation du choix de la spécialité" en fin de seconde.
• Co-intervention et Chef-d'œuvre : Qualifiés de "simples gadgets" par Daniel Bloc, le créateur du bac pro, ces dispositifs sont jugés inefficaces. Leur mise en œuvre a demandé une énergie considérable aux équipes pour des résultats décevants. Le rapport propose leur suppression.
4.2. Le "Parcours Différencié" en Terminale : Une Aberration
La réorganisation de l'année de terminale (réforme de 2023), avec un parcours en "Y" (stage de 6 semaines pour l'insertion ou cours de 6 semaines pour la poursuite d'études), est un échec retentissant.
• Calendrier Intenable : L'avancement des épreuves en mai pour libérer le mois de juin est qualifié d'"aberration" par tous les acteurs auditionnés, contraignant les élèves à un rythme d'apprentissage trop soutenu.
• Surcharge pour les Entreprises : L'augmentation des semaines de stage (PFMP) s'est faite sans concertation avec les organisations patronales, qui n'étaient pas demandeuses. Une "lassitude des structures hôtes" est constatée face à la multiplication des demandes de stage.
• Absentéisme Massif : Le parcours "poursuite d'études" est marqué par un absentéisme dépassant 60 %, voire 95 % dans certains établissements, et une "démobilisation complète".
• Dérives et Difficultés d'Organisation : La mise en place est un casse-tête pour les établissements, et de nombreux stages se déroulent dans des secteurs sans rapport avec la spécialité de l'élève.
5. Recommandations Principales
Face à ce constat, le rapport formule plusieurs propositions structurantes.
1. Instaurer une 4ème Année Optionnelle : Permettre aux élèves les plus en difficulté de suivre une année de formation supplémentaire, en effectif réduit, centrée sur les savoirs fondamentaux.
2. Supprimer les Dispositifs Inefficaces : Mettre fin à la co-intervention et au chef-d'œuvre.
3. Réformer l'Organisation de la Terminale : Revenir sur le "parcours différencié".
4. Développer les Certificats de Spécialisation : En l'absence de retour au bac en 4 ans, développer massivement ces formations de niveau 4 pour faciliter l'insertion, bien que cela soit une "manière détournée de réintroduire une 4e année".
5. Lancer une Campagne Nationale de Promotion : Travailler sur le long terme pour changer les mentalités et valoriser réellement la voie professionnelle.
6. Réactions et Perspectives des Groupes Politiques
• Rassemblement National (Roger Chudo) : Partage le diagnostic du "lycée des pauvres" et des "formations parking". Critique une réforme sans "vision prospective". Propose de confier la formation professionnelle aux régions et de rétablir les 4ème et 3ème technologiques.
• Ensemble (Céline Calvez) : Défend l'engagement présidentiel et les dispositifs comme la co-intervention et le chef-d'œuvre, arguant que "ce n'est pas tant le niveau des savoirs fondamentaux qui est en cause que le sens donné à ses savoirs". S'interroge sur les raisons de leur échec (principe ou manque de moyens).
• LFI-NUPES (Rodrigo Arenas) : Dénonce une vision qui considère les élèves comme une "main d'œuvre en devenir... si possible à bas prix", par opposition aux lycéens de la voie générale "éduqués pour devenir des citoyens".
Plaide pour un lycée unifié où apprentissages manuels et intellectuels sont accessibles à tous.
• Socialistes et apparentés (Aida Adizadet) : Souligne que le premier métier des enseignants en LP est de "redonner confiance".
Critique la "logique faussement élitiste" qui divise la jeunesse et rappelle le taux d'absentéisme de 95 % dans le parcours "poursuite d'études".
• Les Républicains (Alexandre Portier) : Affirme que le lycée pro devrait être la "voie royale" et la "clé de voûte de notre souveraineté nationale".
Note que le LP est le seul segment à avoir gagné des élèves. Prône la stabilité : "le plus urgent c'est surtout d'arrêter de changer tout le temps".
• Écologiste - NUPES (Arnaud Bonet) : Déplore l'instabilité créée par les réformes qui s'enchaînent. Voit les difficultés du lycée pro comme "le reflet" des échecs en amont, au primaire et au collège.
• Démocrate (MoDem et indépendants) (Delphine Lingeman) : Pointe l'hypocrisie générale ("y compris parmi nous") et les problèmes cruciaux de mobilité dans les zones rurales qui entravent le libre choix de l'orientation.
• LIOT (Salvator Castiglioni) : Partage les recommandations et le constat d'un "décalage entre les propos ministériels décrivant une voix d'excellence mais vue par les élèves comme une filière par défaut".
• GDR - NUPES (Jean-Hugues Maillot) : Regrette le traitement marginal de l'Outre-mer, où le décrochage et le chômage des jeunes sont très élevés.
Utilise la métaphore du poisson et du singe pour critiquer un système qui ne reconnaît qu'un type d'intelligence.
• Interventions additionnelles : D'autres interventions ont souligné le "manque criant d'enseignants qualifiés" (RN), la situation aggravée en Seine-Saint-Denis (LFI), et la nécessité de former des "citoyens dotés d'un véritable esprit critique, pas des simples exécutants" (GDR).
un tiempo para nacer y un tiempo para morir;
Es un ciclo natural de la vida, no significa que nuestro nacimiento particular y nuestra muerte esté predeterminada.
Voir le même jour dans le même journal un éloge de la migration musulmane en Europe et une détestation de la juive en Cisjordanie, sans qu'il soit fait mention ni de la différence de nature, ni de la différence de nombre est assez poilant.
Ces arabes, ils sont impayables !
L'immigration heureuse en un long article qui dit tout, et qui explique la folie suicidaire d'une Europe foutue. On va même jusqu'à illustrer l'article d'une bite dégoulinante de sperme exprimant à la fois la sodomie joyeuse de la mère Europe détestée et la fertilité triomphante des envahisseurs.
Et bien on va se robotiser , monsieur le barbare avide ! Et pour l'immigration de travail, ce sera, ça (pas de famille à faire venir sinon rien).
Il y va de notre survie.
Synthèse du Rapport sur la Loi Handicap de 2005
Résumé Exécutif
Vingt ans après sa promulgation, la loi fondatrice du 11 février 2005 pour l'égalité des droits et des chances, la participation et la citoyenneté des personnes handicapées reste une promesse largement non tenue.
Le rapport d'évaluation de l'Assemblée nationale, fruit de six mois de travaux intensifs, dresse un bilan lucide et sévère de son application.
Malgré des avancées quantitatives, notamment dans la scolarisation, la réalité sur le terrain révèle des échecs qualitatifs profonds et une distance critique entre les droits théoriques et leur effectivité.
Le rapport identifie une divergence fondamentale entre l'approche "biomédicale" de la loi française, qui centre le handicap sur une déficience individuelle à compenser, et le "modèle social" fondé sur les droits humains de la Convention de l'ONU, qui stipule que c'est à la société de s'adapter.
Cette divergence est au cœur des critiques "particulièrement sévères" formulées par les Nations Unies à l'encontre de la France.
Les piliers de la loi de 2005 sont aujourd'hui en crise. La Prestation de Compensation du Handicap (PCH), initialement une avancée majeure, est devenue un dispositif d'une "complexité inouïe" qui ne tient pas sa promesse de compensation intégrale.
Les Maisons Départementales des Personnes Handicapées (MDPH), conçues comme des guichets uniques, sont "à bout de souffle", marquées par des délais interminables et des disparités territoriales inacceptables.
Enfin, le chantier de la désinstitutionnalisation, exigé par l'ONU, n'a jamais été véritablement engagé, perpétuant une forme de "ségrégation" pour de nombreuses personnes.
Sur les fronts de l'école, de l'emploi et de l'accessibilité, le constat est similaire : les retards sont criants.
L'école inclusive se résume trop souvent à un accompagnement précaire, l'accès à l'emploi reste deux fois plus difficile, et l'accessibilité du cadre de vie (logements, bâtiments publics, transports, numérique) est un échec patent, aggravé par des reculs législatifs comme la loi Élan de 2018.
Le rapport, à travers ses 86 recommandations, n'appelle pas à une nouvelle grande loi, mais à un "mouvement de transformation profonde" pour rendre les droits existants enfin effectifs.
Il insiste sur la nécessité d'une refonte philosophique, d'une planification de la désinstitutionnalisation et de la mise en œuvre du principe "Rien sans nous", afin de placer la parole et l'autodétermination des personnes handicapées au centre de toutes les politiques publiques.
Introduction
À l'occasion du vingtième anniversaire de la loi du 11 février 2005, une mission d'évaluation parlementaire a été menée pour mesurer l'impact de ce texte fondateur.
Dirigée par les rapporteurs Christine Lenabour et Sébastien Petavi, la mission a conduit pendant six mois un travail approfondi, incluant près de 80 auditions d'acteurs variés et une consultation en ligne intitulée "Rien sans nous", qui a recueilli des centaines de témoignages de personnes handicapées et de leurs proches.
Ce rapport, qui formule 86 recommandations, dresse un bilan sans complaisance des politiques du handicap en France depuis 2005, structuré autour de quatre axes :
I. Une Révolution Philosophique Inachevée
A. Le Décalage avec les Normes Internationales
Le rapport souligne une dissonance fondamentale entre la législation française et le contexte international.
La loi de 2005, bien que novatrice, reste ancrée dans une approche biomédicale du handicap, le considérant principalement comme une déficience individuelle à compenser.
À l'inverse, la Convention internationale des droits des personnes handicapées (CIDPH) de l'ONU, ratifiée par la France en 2010, promeut un modèle social fondé sur les droits humains.
Selon ce modèle, "c'est avant tout à la société de s'adapter pour inclure les personnes handicapées, car c'est l'environnement qui génère des handicaps."
En 2021, l'ONU a rendu un constat "particulièrement sévère", pointant que la France "porte atteinte à de nombreux droits fondamentaux des personnes handicapées".
B. La Nécessité d'une Nouvelle Définition
La définition actuelle du handicap en droit français est jugée inadaptée.
Les rapporteurs insistent sur le fait qu'une modification n'est pas une "question sémantique ou théorique", car toute la législation en découle.
Une nouvelle définition, alignée sur les principes de la CIDPH, est la première étape pour initier un véritable "effort collectif" visant à garantir la pleine participation des personnes handicapées à la société.
II. La Crise du Droit à la Compensation et de l'Accompagnement
A. La PCH : Une Promesse de Compensation Trahie
La Prestation de Compensation du Handicap (PCH), conçue comme une avancée majeure de 2005, est aujourd'hui une "promesse non tenue".
• Complexité extrême : Le dispositif est devenu d'une "complexité inouïe", avec une portée fortement restreinte par la voie réglementaire.
• Logique bureaucratique : La vie quotidienne est "découpée en actes minutés", chacun avec un tarif et un plafond, loin du soutien à l'autodétermination promis.
• Recommandation phare : Une "refonte globale de la PCH en une prestation unique" visant à soutenir les aspirations et projets de vie des bénéficiaires. La suppression de la barrière d'âge de 60 ans est également préconisée.
B. Les MDPH : Un Guichet Unique à Bout de Souffle
Les Maisons Départementales des Personnes Handicapées (MDPH) sont confrontées à des dysfonctionnements systémiques :
• Délais de traitement des dossiers "interminables".
• "Disparités territoriales majeures" dans l'attribution des droits.
• Complexité des démarches administratives, constituant un "parcours du combattant".
• Évaluations jugées "trop médicalisées".
Les rapporteurs appellent à une réforme de la gouvernance territoriale, en recentrant les missions des MDPH sur l'accueil, l'accompagnement et l'évaluation des situations les plus complexes.
C. La Désinstitutionnalisation : Le Chantier Ignoré
La France fait l'objet d'une critique majeure de l'ONU pour ne pas avoir engagé de processus de désinstitutionnalisation.
• Ségrégation de fait : Faute d'alternatives (logements adaptés, services d'aide à domicile de qualité), de nombreuses personnes sont "contraintes de résider dans des établissements d'hébergement qui les coupent du monde extérieur".
• Violation des droits : Cette situation viole leur "droit à l'autonomie de vie et à l'inclusion dans la société".
• Recommandation : Planifier sur le long terme la désinstitutionnalisation, en développant des solutions alternatives comme l'accès au logement et le bénéfice d'assistants personnels choisis par les personnes elles-mêmes.
III. Une Inclusion Sectorielle en Trompe-l'œil
A. L'École Inclusive : Un Droit Loin d'être Effectif
Malgré un triplement du nombre d'élèves handicapés scolarisés en 20 ans (près de 470 000 en 2023), ce "succès quantitatif ne doit pas masquer un tableau plus contrasté".
Indicateur
Constat
Orientation
Le nombre d'enfants orientés par défaut vers le secteur médico-social n'a pas diminué en 20 ans.
Scolarisation
8 % des enfants en médico-social ne sont "pas du tout scolarisés". La scolarisation partielle est une réalité massive mais non mesurée.
Accompagnement
Le système repose sur les AESH, des professionnelles "trop précaires et insuffisamment formées".
Formation
Les enseignants sont "très insuffisamment formés", générant parfois un "rejet préoccupant de l'école inclusive".
La conviction forte du rapport est que "ce n'est pas aux élèves de s'adapter à l'école, c'est à l'école de s'adapter à eux". Il préconise de dépasser l'approche compensatoire pour promouvoir une conception universelle de l'école, du bâti scolaire aux contenus pédagogiques.
B. Emploi : Une Insertion Toujours Difficile
Bien que le taux de chômage des personnes handicapées ait diminué, il reste deux fois plus élevé que celui de la population générale (12 % contre 7,3 %).
• Les travailleurs handicapés représentent moins de 6 % de la population active occupée.
• Le fait d'être handicapé multiplie par trois le risque de discrimination au travail.
• Les passerelles entre le secteur protégé (ESAT) et le milieu ordinaire sont quasi inexistantes (seulement 1 % des travailleurs par an).
Les recommandations visent à développer l'emploi accompagné, autoriser le cumul entre l'AAH et un emploi au-delà du mi-temps, et poursuivre la transformation des ESAT pour garantir de meilleurs droits aux travailleurs.
IV. L'Accessibilité Universelle : Le Pilier Oublié
L'accessibilité, second pilier de la loi de 2005 avec la compensation, fait l'objet d'un "constat sévère".
Domaine
État des Lieux
Logement
Les retards sont "criants". La loi Élan de 2018 a porté un "coût d'arrêt" en réduisant l'obligation d'accessibilité dans le neuf.
Bâtiments Publics (ERP)
À minima, un tiers des ERP demeurent inaccessibles. La situation est critique pour les petits commerces, dont 90 % ne seraient pas aux normes.
Transports Publics
L'obligation d'accessibilité a été restreinte en 2014 aux seuls "arrêts prioritaires" (moins de 40 % du réseau).
Numérique
En 2024, seuls 3 % des démarches essentielles de l'État sont pleinement accessibles.
Le rapport appelle à revenir sur les reculs de la loi Élan, à refonder la stratégie d'accessibilité des ERP en renforçant les contrôles et les sanctions, et à mettre fin aux "trop nombreuses dérogations injustifiées".
V. Gouvernance et Citoyenneté : Le Principe "Rien Sans Nous"
Un thème central du rapport est l'impératif de cesser d'élaborer des politiques du handicap "sans les personnes handicapées".
• Manque de représentation : Le rapport constate qu'il faut écouter la voix des personnes concernées elles-mêmes, et non uniquement celle "des proches, parents, aidants, professionnels" qui parlent en leur nom.
La représentation politique est quasi nulle (0,002 % d'élus en situation de handicap pour 16 % de la population).
• Autodétermination : Le rapport insiste sur la nécessité de présumer que les personnes handicapées "peuvent s'exprimer" et "décider pour elles-mêmes".
Il propose de remplacer la notion de "projet de vie" par celle de "projet d'autodétermination".
• Action en justice : Pour redonner du pouvoir aux personnes concernées, le rapport suggère de permettre les actions de groupe en matière de non-respect des obligations d'accessibilité.
En conclusion, le rapport parlementaire n'est ni un point final ni un appel à tout effacer.
C'est une feuille de route exigeante pour que, vingt ans après, la France honore enfin ses promesses et construise une société véritablement inclusive où "l'heure n'est plus aux promesses mais aux actes".
The smartphones that distract us from our surroundings also distract us from the fact that our surroundings are strangely old: only computers and communications have improved dramatically since midcentury. That doesn't mean our parents were wrong to imagine a better future--they were only wrong to expect it as something automatic.
I found this weird. it is no secret that smartphones are a big distraction. This makes companies want to improve what ha our attention and not developing tech to treat medical conditions and to help the environment. What is interesting is that the thing that is supposedly distracting ones from thier surroundings is the same device that typically spreads awareness.
AbstractWater buffalo is a cornerstone livestock species in many low- and middle-income countries, yet major gaps persist in its genomic characterization—complicated by the divergent karyotypes of its two sub-species (swamp and river). Such genomic complexity makes water buffalo a particularly good candidate for the use of graph genomics, which can capture variation missed by linear reference approaches. However, the utility of this approach to improve water buffalo has been largely unexplored.We present a comprehensive pangenome that integrates four newly generated, highly contiguous assemblies of Pakistani river buffalo with available assemblies from both sub- species. This doubles the number of accessible high-quality river buffalo genomes and provides the most contiguous assemblies for the sub-species to date. Using the pangenome to assay variation across 711 global samples, we uncovered extensive genomic diversity, including thousands of large structural variants absent from the reference genome, spanning over 140 Mb of additional sequence. We demonstrate the utility of these data by identifying putative functional indels and structural variants linked to selective sweeps in key genes involved in productivity and immune response across 26 populations.This study represents one of the first successful applications of graph genomics in water buffalo and offers valuable insights into how integrating assemblies can transform analyses of water buffalo and other species with complex evolutionary histories. We anticipate that these assemblies, and the pangenome and putative functional structural variants we have released, will accelerate efforts to unlock water buffalo’s genetic potential, improving productivity and resilience in this economically important species.
This work has been peer reviewed in GigaScience (see https://doi.org/10.1093/gigascience/giaf099), which carries out open, named peer-review. These reviews are published under a CC-BY 4.0 license and were as follows:
Reviewer 3: Laura Caquelin
SummaryoftheStudy This study used graph genomics to better characterize water buffalo genomes. By building a pangenome from new and existing assemblies, the authors analyzed 711 samples. These samples revealed structural variation. These results highlight the value of graph genomics. This method
Scopeofreproducibility According to our assessment the primary objective is: to identify genomic variants within selective sweep regions in the water buffalo genome.
Main result: "Prior to annotation, multiallelic variants were normalized by splitting them into separate biallelic entries, resulting in 6,159,686 indels, 28,669,966 SNVs, and 160,921 SVs entries. Within putative selective sweep regions we identified 208,862 indels, 997,500 SNVs and 6,748 SVs. Notably an enrichment of HIGH impact SVs, indels and SNVs were observed within selective sweep regions (Figure 5A, Supplementary Table S6), with 50-80% more variants in these areas having a HIGH impact compared to genome-wide. Among the high impact variants in selective sweep regions only 20% were SNVs, with the remainder being SVs and indels, suggesting high impact larger variants may underlie putative selective sweeps." (Lines 453 to 461)
AvailabilityofMaterials a. Data
Documentation: No documentation
Computational environment of reproduction analysis
Version environment for reproduction: R version 4.4.1/RStudio 2024.09.0
Results 5.1 Original study results
Results 1: Results are presented in Figure 5A. 5.2 Steps for reproduction -> Reproduce the results The code was not shared initially, but as the data were provided and the test was a Fisher's exact test, I wrote code to reproduce the p-values.
Issue 1: P-values for the SNVs variant as well as the « Modifier » impact class were not provided. -- Resolved: Authors provided an updated Supplementary table S6 with exact numerical p-values for each variant and each impact class. The code "variantEnrichAtPeaks.R" to generate the Figure 5A and the Supplementary table S6 was also shared. New version of the supplementary Table S6: (see screenshot)
The comparison between the reproduced results and the original results was then performed using the shared code. (Notably, the results from the R script written allowed for the generation of the same p-value as the one presented in Figure 5A).
Line 159 to 178 of the script "variantEnrichAtPeaks_RCC."
summary_table <- df %>%
mutate(
Type = variantType,
Genome_Wide_Prop = Genome_wide / sum(Genome_wide), Selective_Sweep_peaks_Prop = Sweep / sum(Sweep), Ratio_of_proportions = Selective_Sweep_peaks_Prop /
Genome_Wide_Prop) %>%
left_join(pval_df, by = "Impact") %>%
select(
Impact, Type,
Genome_Wide = Genome_wide,
Selective_Sweep peaks = Sweep,
Genome_Wide Prop = Genome_Wide_Prop,
Selective_Sweep peaks Prop= Selective_Sweep_peaks_Prop,
Ratio of proportions= Ratio_of_proportions,
Fishers exact P = p_value)
return(list(plot = p, summary_table = summary_table))
5.3 Statistical comparison Original vs Reproduced results - Results: Figure and table S6 were reproduced for each variant type and impact: -- SVs type: (see screenshot) -- Indels type: (see screenshot) -- And SNVs type: (see screenshot)
Statistical Consistency: The results were successfully reproduced with the share code.
Conclusion
AbstractBackground Influenza A virus (IAV) poses a significant threat to animal health globally, with its ability to overcome species barriers and cause pandemics. Rapid and accurate IAV subtypes and host source prediction is crucial for effective surveillance and pandemic preparedness. Deep learning has emerged as a powerful tool for analyzing viral genomic sequences, offering new ways to uncover hidden patterns associated with viral characteristics and host adaptation.Findings We introduce WaveSeekerNet, a novel deep learning model for accurate and rapid prediction of IAV subtypes and host source. The model leverages attention-based mechanisms and efficient token mixing schemes, including the Fourier Transform and the Wavelet Transform, to capture intricate patterns within viral RNA and protein sequences. Extensive experiments on diverse datasets demonstrate WaveSeekerNet’s superior performance to existing models that use the traditional self-attention mechanism. Notably, WaveSeekerNet rivals VADR (Viral Annotation DefineR) in subtype prediction using the high-quality RNA sequences, achieving the maximum score of 1.0 on metrics including the Balanced Accuracy, F1-score (Macro Average), and Matthews Correlation Coefficient (MCC). Our approach to subtype and host source prediction also exceeds the pre-trained ESM-2 (Evolutionary Scale Modeling) models with respect to generalization performance and computational cost. Furthermore, WaveSeekerNet exhibits remarkable accuracy in distinguishing between human, avian, and other mammalian hosts. The ability of WaveSeekerNet to flag potential cross-species transmission events underscores its significant value for real-time surveillance and proactive pandemic preparedness efforts.Conclusions WaveSeekerNet’s superior performance, efficiency, and ability to flag potential cross-species transmission events highlight its potential for real-time surveillance and pandemic preparedness. This model represents a significant advancement in applying deep learning for IAV classification and holds promise for future epidemiological, veterinary studies, and public health interventions.
This work has been peer reviewed in GigaScience (see https://doi.org/10.1093/gigascience/giaf089), which carries out open, named peer-review. These reviews are published under a CC-BY 4.0 license and were as follows:
Reviewer 2:Slim Fourati
Nguyen HH and collaborators trained an ensemble-like deep learning model on HA and NA sequences extracted from GISAID (sequences collected from 1902 to 2019) to predict 1/influenza subtype and 2/host source. Their model was tested on HA and NA sequences collected from 2020 to 2025 and showed improved accuracies compared to other deep learning models. The article is of good quality, with well-documented methods and with proper use of a test set that would mimic real case use of the model (the model would be used on future sequences) and the use of a standard metric to assess the accuracy of the model (F1-score, Bal. Acc, MCC). The figures and tables support the conclusions of the article.
I only have two minor edits that I would suggest to the authors: 1. In the first paragraph of the introduction, the authors explain why predicting host sources is important (for active surveillance and our preparedness for future pandemics). Can the authors explain why predicting influenza subtype is also crucial? 2. lines 573-575. The authors argue that their model is better suited to predict rare variants than previous models like MC-NN. Do the authors think this is only the result of the upsampling of those sequences?
AbstractOpportunistic assessment of vertebral strength from clinical computed tomography (CT) scans holds substantial promise for fracture risk stratification, yet variability in calibration methods and finite element (FE) modeling approaches has led to limited comparability across studies. In this work, we provide a publicly available benchmark dataset that supports standardized biomechanical analysis of the thoracic and lumbar spine using density-calibrated CT data. We extended the VerSe 2019 dataset to include phantomless quantitative CT calibration, automated vertebral substructure segmentation, and vertebral strength estimates derived from both linear and nonlinear FE models. The cohort comprises 141 patients scanned across five CT systems, including contrast-enhanced protocols. Phantomless calibration was performed using automatically segmented tissue references and validated against synchronous calibration phantoms in 17 scans. To evaluate model performance, we implemented a nonlinear elastoplastic FE model and compared it to two linear estimates. A displacement-calibrated linear model (0.2% axial strain) demonstrated excellent agreement with nonlinear failure loads (R = 0.96; mean difference = -0.07 kN), while a stiffness-based approach showed similarly strong correlation (R = 0.92). We evaluated vertebral strength at all thoracic and lumbar levels, enabling level-wise normalization and comparison. Strength ratios revealed consistent anatomical trends and identified T12 and T9 as reliable alternatives to L1 for opportunistic screening and model standardization. All calibrated scans, segmentations, software, and modeling outputs are publicly released, providing a benchmark resource for validation and development of FE models, radiomics tools, and other quantitative imaging applications in musculoskeletal research.
This work has been peer reviewed in GigaScience (see https://doi.org/10.1093/gigascience/giaf094), which carries out open, named peer-review. These reviews are published under a CC-BY 4.0 license and were as follows:
Reviewer 1: Maria Prado
The study presents a novel technique that could advance vertebral strength estimations using FE analysis. The authors clearly articulate the motivation for open benchmarking, covering spinal regions (T1-L6) that are not typically included in similar studies. The description and availability of both linear and nonlinear models support the method's broad utility. I value the authors' effort to share data and open-source resources, which enhances reproducibility.
Suggestions are recommended to enhance the manuscript and clarify/expand some sections for future readers.
(Lines 122-132) The justification for choosing 0.2% axial strain as the calibration threshold is somewhat empirical and based on only three representative samples (low, medium, and high vBMD). Please, expand on how representative these three samples are of the entire cohort and whether additional samples were tested to confirm generalizability.
(Line 151-152) The manuscript notes that T12 (+2.2%) and T9 (-2.1%) exhibited the smallest deviation from L1, suggesting their potential as alternative targets. In addition to calculating these deviations, was any further analysis performed to support this conclusion? Consider expanding on whether more extensive validation or simulations would be necessary to robustly support T12 and T9 as substitutes for L1.
(Lines 198-200) The description of cortical bone modeling is vague. It is not clear if the cortical bone was not modeled explicitly, but was implicitly accounted for. Clarification would be appreciated. Additionally, please comment on whether the method leads to under- or overestimation of strength in areas where cortical bone is predominant. Is this a limitation that might impact model predictions?
(Line 314) Is there a specific reason why the posterior elements were included in the segmentation process? Previous studies have often omitted these structures from their models. A brief justification for their inclusion in the present work would be helpful.
(Lines 322-323) Are there any references or prior studies that support the selection of the specific reference tissues used for phantomless calibration?
(Lines 349-356) While equations for modulus and yield stress are provided, a short explanation of how these equations compare to other published models and why they were chosen could be more clearly included.
(Lines 361-373) The explanation of the simulation procedure, while valuable, does not clearly state whether it was performed solely on the L4 vertebra (described as the reference image) or applied individually to each vertebral body. Please clarify this point. Additionally, although the loading and boundary conditions are described, the manuscript lacks detail on how endplate irregularities or variations in vertebral alignment were addressed.
(Line 387) For the failure load calculation using the stiffness-based method, which specific vertebrae were used to measure height? Please clarify whether height measurements were taken from all vertebrae in the cohort, only from those included in the force analysis, or from a subset.
(Lines 397-399) The "graph model" approach for intervertebral strength normalization is not explained in detail. While it appears that this method corresponds to the analysis presented in Figure 6, this connection is not clearly stated in the text.
(Lines 122-144) In the section Linear models approximate nonlinear vertebral strength estimates, it is unclear how the nonlinear model itself was validated. The manuscript does not reference any experimental or literature-based benchmarks to support the accuracy of the nonlinear failure load predictions. Please clarify whether any validation against in vitro or in vivo vertebral failure data was performed or cited. If such validation is lacking, this should be acknowledged as a limitation and discussed in terms of its potential impact on the interpretation of the results.
Minor suggestions:
Terminology: The term "phantomless calibration" is well-used, but a brief definition upfront (in Abstract or Background) would help readers unfamiliar with the concept.
(Line 59) The word "transparent" refers to a clearer modeling workflow?
(Lines 87-89) Consider relocation of the statement ("By providing these outputs, we offer a ready-to-use reference..."), which seems confusing and cuts the flow of the text.
FIGURES: Ensure axis labels, units, and legends in all figures (especially Fig. 4 and Fig. 6) are visible and explained.
FIGURE 3A - C. The subtitle titles could lead to misinterpretation or confusion about what is being described.
Recent advancements in transcriptomics and proteomics have opened the possibility for spatially resolved molecular characterization of tissue architecture with the promise of enabling a deeper understanding of tissue biology in either homeostasis or disease. The wealth of data generated by these technologies has recently driven the development of a wide range of computational methods. These methods have the requirement of advanced coding fluency to be applied and integrated across the full spatial omics analysis process thus presenting a hurdle for widespread adoption by the biology research community. To address this, we introduce SPEX (Spatial Expression Explorer), a web-based analysis platform that employs modular analysis pipeline design, accessible through a user-friendly interface. SPEX’s infrastructure allows for streamlined access to open source image data management systems,analysis modules, and fully integrated data visualization solutions. Analysis modules include essential steps covering image processing, single-cell and spatial analysis. We demonstrate SPEX’s ability to facilitate the discovery of biological insights in spatially resolved omics datasets from healthy tissue to tumor samples.
This work has been peer reviewed in GigaScience (see https://doi.org/10.1093/gigascience/giaf090), which carries out open, named peer-review. These reviews are published under a CC-BY 4.0 license and were as follows:
Reviewer 1: Ka Yee Yeung
Li et al. presented SPEX (Spatial Expression Explorer), a web-based open-source end-to-end analysis platform offering modular design and a user accessible interface. The users demonstrated use cases in spatial transcriptomics (MERFISH lung cancer) and spatial proteomics datasets (tonsil, public multiplex ion beam imaging data). SPEX includes the following analytical modules 1. image processing modules includes a 4-step sequence (image pre-processing, single-cell segmentation, post-processing, feature selection). Image loading supports OMERO integration. Output is a cell by expression matrix in Anndata format. 2. clustering modules for both spatial transcriptomic and proteomic data. 3. spatial analysis module implements the CLQ (Colocation Quotient) method. 4. spatial expression analysis module includes differential expression and pathway analysis. SPEX supports visualization via Vitessce.
The paper is well written, addresses a rising interest and critical need in the biomedical community. The reviewer would like to request clarifications on how extensible the modules are. The author mentioned a SPEX pipeline builder in which "modules are selected from a library and dragged into a visual pipeline map", and also mentioend the support for "flexible plug-in analysis modules". What are the packages available from the library? Can users import their own code or script or package? How to create new plug-in's?
The reviewer is also wondering how do the users interact with the results? Can the user click on the resulting image and select regions of interest to zoom in?
Quelle est la surface de ce logement ? La surface de ce logement est de 30m2.
I would say the writing s casual but formal. It gets directly to the point but isn't very stern.
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sí es mi hombro izquierdo el que está afectado, la tensión que pueda vivir está relacionada con el aspecto femenino de mi vida, es decir creativo y receptivo, a mi habilidad por expresar mis sentimientos. Tomo consciencia de lo que me aplasta, acepto que soy responsable de MÍ y dejo que los demás se cuiden de ocuparse de su propia felicidad. Aprendo a delegar.
Pasan a través de ellos mis deseos interiores de expresarme, crear y ejecutar porque nacieron al nivel de mi corazón. La energía emocional debe dirigirse hasta en mis brazos y mis manos para realizar dichos deseos.
Si la parte afectada de mi hombro es muscular, esto se relacionará más con mis pensamientos y emociones.
Tengo la sensación de tener “demasiado por hacer” y de nunca ser capaz de realizarlo todo. Puede también que tenga la sensación de que me impiden actuar, bien a causa de opiniones diferentes o porque simplemente no quieren asistirme y apoyarme en mis proyectos. También me duelen los hombros cuando vivo grandes inseguridades afectivas (hombro izquierdo)
In order to do this, we encourage students to develop critical thinking skills – to think hard about soundness, validity, necessity, and possibility – but we also ask them to imagine how things could be different than they are. Many introductory philosophy courses, including mine, start with Descartes’ First Meditation. Descartes presents one of the most well-discussed arguments for scepticism – the view that we cannot have knowledge – by asking the reader to consider the possibility that she is dreaming. Instructors (myself included) will teach students how to dissect those arguments into premises and conclusions and how to evaluate them for validity and soundness. In so doing, we teach our students to think clearly and rigorously. Being able to do this, we tell them, will be useful in non-philosophical contexts as well. But, of course, even an only halfway decent instructor will not leave it at that. There is nothing like Descartes’ meditations to spark a vigorous student discussion about the nature of knowledge, evidence, certainty, and truth. Students resist at first: how can it be that we can’t know any of what we thought we knew? We don the hat of the sceptic and push back. If all goes well, students grapple with profound questions concerning knowledge and truth. But, beyond posing these fundamental questions, Descartes asks us to engage in a fantastically unnerving imaginative exercise with him. Imagine that you are actually dreaming. Imagine that an evil demon is controlling your every thought. Imagine that everybody walking on the street is an automaton. When students take this imaginative exercise seriously, they start to feel as discomfited as Descartes himself must have. The ground starts shaking under them. It is at this moment that philosophy starts its work. But, we must not forget that this was only the first step for Descartes. His ultimate aim was to reconstruct the foundation for knowledge. The imagination can be a powerful tool for students to develop their critical fa
The essay argues that disadvantaged students benefit the most from philosophy. Interesting reversal, since many people assume the humanities are “luxuries” for the privileged.
There might potentially also be differential responses between those with knee OA and those without. Indications exist that individuals with OA might have a reduced capacity to sustain higher magnitudes or repetitions of loading. Collectively, these findings suggest an optimal zone of activity that balances joint health benefits without causing harm
Though, sounding much like a concluding statement, this is the tie in point of all the research in this article; people without OA have a higher chance of forming OA without exercise and a sedentary lifestyle, but those with OA must find an optimal point-the moderate exercise balance that will improve joint health and other lifesyle benefits.
These contrasting results suggest that a higher physical activity level may both attenuate or induce greater magnitudes of joint degeneration in middle-aged people or older adults without compromised joint health (e.g., cartilage defects) or knee OA
While this part of the article reinforces the contradictions of OA, it is good to show why these myths persist. Like I have said before in previous annotations, MODERATE exercise is linked with recovery, but this section right here is not only in a higher age group, which is already linked with increased chance of OA in uncompromised adults, but also tethered to higher physical acivity levels or more intense activity.
A meta-analysis of 54 randomized control trials with an overall high quality has demonstrated that exercise can significantly ameliorate knee OA illness by reducing pain, improving physical function and enhancing quality of life
This is scientific consensus that exercise can be the first line of therapy and not just a secondary procedure to surgical precedence. Exercise is essential in lessening pain, improving physical function(mobility) and quality of life afterwards. In the rest of the passage it links OA intensity with body weight, and that there is a direct correlation with the amount of weight you put on the joint impacting it. Exercise helps with weight loss and therefore will lessen symptoms.
This perception aligns with the persistent narrative that knee OA is a ‘wear and tear’ arthritis, whereby exercise results in anatomical damage, a conception that remains prevalent in medical, media and patient representations. However, this view oversimplifies the complex aetiology of the disease.
Perception is the core of misconception, people believe that exercising will cause more damage to the joint, they believe that it will cause more pain, they believe that surgery may be better instead, but they are wrong. Moderate exercise with mobility instruction and improvement do nothing but help the joint strength and add preventative measures in all ages.
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a significant difference between the two groups on RTD was seen at 0.5 h (p = 0.005) (Figure 4a). Lastly, HRT was not different within each intervention throughout the 24 h recovery period
RTD lower in CWI, especially early. HRT longer in CWI → slower muscle relaxation; possibly due to lower muscle temperature.
a significant difference between the two groups on RTD was seen at 0.5 h (p = 0.005) (Figure 4a). Lastly, HRT was not different within each intervention throughout the 24 h recovery period
RTD lower in CWI, especially early. HRT longer in CWI → slower muscle relaxation; possibly due to lower muscle temperature.
10 Hz torque remained impaired for up to 3 h following both interventions (RT: 8.9 ± 4.0 N·m; CWI: 8.3 ± 2.8 N·m), with full recovery 24 h later (RT: 11.3 ± 4.3 N·m; CWI: 10.2 ± 2.0 N·m) (Figure 3a). In addition, no differences were seen between the interventions throughout the 24 h period. Regarding 50 Hz torque, it was impaired for up to 1 h in RT (16.2 ± 8.1 N·m; p = 0.001), whereas following CWI, 50 Hz torque remained impaired for up to 3 h (14.9 ± 6.0 N·m; p = 0.001)
10 Hz: Recovered by 24 h in both; no difference. 50 Hz: Slower recovery in CWI → supports idea that CWI impairs high-frequency contractile function.
RTD was significantly reduced in both conditions (RT: 48.4 ± 23.6 N·m/s; CWI: 31.0 ± 15.5 N·m/s), with a significant difference between them (p = 0.04) (Figure 4a). The 50 Hz HRT increased significantly in both conditions (RT: 0.22 ± 0.06 s; CWI: 0.34 ± 0.13 s), with a significant difference between them (p = 0.04)
Both worse in CWI → CWI slows muscle contractility and relaxation.
10:50 Hz ratio
Used to assess PLFFD; lower 10 Hz force = impaired Ca²⁺ handling.
Note de Synthèse : L'instrumentalisation des associations et les voies de la coconstruction
Synthèse
Ce document de synthèse analyse les conclusions du webinaire "Face à l'instrumentalisation des associations", quatrième épisode du cycle "Renforcement du monde associatif".
Il met en lumière la menace croissante de l'instrumentalisation, identifiée comme un des quatre facteurs majeurs d'affaiblissement du secteur associatif, aux côtés de la répression des libertés, de la marchandisation et de la managérialisation.
Cette instrumentalisation se manifeste par une pression exercée sur les associations pour qu'elles s'alignent sur les politiques publiques, une tendance exacerbée par une transformation structurelle des financements publics qui privilégient la commande publique au détriment des subventions.
Des exemples récents aux niveaux local, national et européen illustrent une stratégie de discrédit visant les associations qui conservent une parole politique critique, résumée par l'injonction :
"dès lors que les associations reçoivent de l'argent public, elles ont intérêt à se tenir sages".
Face à ce scénario d'affaiblissement, le webinaire explore en profondeur l'antidote principal : la coconstruction des politiques publiques.
Loin d'une simple consultation, la coconstruction est présentée dans sa définition la plus exigeante, impliquant un partage du pouvoir et des éléments de codécision.
Pour être efficace, elle doit s'appuyer sur une méthodologie rigoureuse, commençant par un diagnostic partagé et se poursuivant jusqu'à l'évaluation commune des actions.
Deux modèles d'action concrets sont examinés :
1. Les schémas d'orientation (Solima) du secteur culturel, qui offrent un retour d'expérience de près de vingt ans sur des processus de concertation structurés.
Bien qu'ils aient prouvé leur efficacité pour améliorer l'interconnaissance et la coopération, ils révèlent des limites quant à leur capacité à faire évoluer durablement les politiques publiques et à surmonter la culture du "qui paie, décide".
2. La démocratie d'interpellation, qui apparaît comme un prérequis essentiel.
Ce concept vise à doter les citoyens, et notamment les plus marginalisés, des outils (pétitions à seuils, fonds de soutien) leur permettant d'inscrire leurs préoccupations à l'agenda politique, créant ainsi les conditions initiales d'une future coconstruction.
En conclusion, si la coconstruction représente une voie prometteuse pour renforcer la vitalité démocratique et l'autonomie du monde associatif, sa mise en œuvre reste un défi majeur.
Elle se heurte à un contexte politique et économique défavorable et nécessite de surmonter des obstacles culturels profonds pour passer d'une logique de prestation de service à un partenariat authentique fondé sur le partage du pouvoir.
1. Le Scénario de l'Affaiblissement : L'Instrumentalisation comme Menace Centrale
Le webinaire identifie l'instrumentalisation comme une composante clé d'un "scénario d'affaiblissement" qui pèse sur le monde associatif.
Ce processus vise à réduire les associations à un rôle d'exécutantes des politiques publiques, les privant de leur capacité d'initiative, de critique et de participation à la vie de la cité.
Définition et Manifestations
L'instrumentalisation est un processus par lequel les pouvoirs publics tendent à considérer les associations non plus comme des partenaires autonomes porteurs de projets d'intérêt général, mais comme de simples prestataires de services.
Marianne Langlais (Collectif des associations citoyennes - CAC) la définit comme une attente que les associations, dès lors qu'elles sont financées par de l'argent public, "se tiennent sages".
Cela implique :
• S'inscrire sans contester dans la ligne politique dominante, qualifiée de "néolibérale et autoritaire".
• Ne pas porter un message politique différent de celui attendu par les financeurs.
• Rester "politiquement neutre" dans un contexte qui ne l'est pas.
Exemples Concrets de Discrédit Politique
Cette pression s'accompagne de campagnes de discrédit visant à délégitimer les associations qui conservent une parole politique. Plusieurs exemples récents ont été cités : Niveau Acteur Cible Discours / Action Objectif Local Christelle Morançais (Présidente, Pays de la Loire)
Associations culturelles
Les accuse d'être le "monopole d'associations très politisées qui vivent d'argent public" pour justifier des coupes budgétaires massives. Justifier des coupes budgétaires.
National
Bruno Retailleau (Ministre de l'Intérieur)
La Cimade et autres associations d'aide aux étrangers
Affirme qu'elles doivent "agir en cohérence avec l'État", remettant en cause leur travail en centre de rétention.
Aligner les actions des associations sur la politique gouvernementale.
Européen
Droite et extrême droite européenne
Associations environnementales
Lancement d'une "fake news" les accusant d'être payées par la Commission pour faire du lobbying pro-pacte vert.
Les priver de financements européens, notamment du programme LIFE (budget de 5,4 milliards d'euros).
Le Levier Financier : De la Subvention à la Commande Publique
Au cœur du processus d'instrumentalisation se trouve une transformation profonde des modes de financement public.
On observe un recul structurel de la subvention de fonctionnement au profit de la commande publique (marchés publics, appels à projets).
• Contexte Européen : La création du marché unique en 1987 et sa règle d'or d'une "concurrence libre et non faussée" ont conduit à considérer la subvention comme une potentielle aide d'État illicite.
• Impact en France : La part des subventions dans les recettes associatives a chuté de 41 % entre 2005 et 2017.
• Conséquences : Le rapport Suxe ("Renforcer le financement des associations :
une urgence démocratique", mai 2023) souligne que cette évolution entraîne une "fragilisation de leur équilibre financier, mais aussi et surtout par une perte de sens et une invisibilisation de ce qui caractérise l'association".
Ce changement modifie radicalement le rapport de force :
• La subvention reconnaît l'association comme étant à l'origine de l'initiative, sans attente de contrepartie directe.
Elle favorise une politique ascendante ("bottom-up") où les associations agissent en "vigies citoyennes".
• La commande publique positionne l'État ou la collectivité comme acheteur d'un service, fixant un cadre strict.
Elle impose une politique descendante ("top-down") où les associations deviennent des prestataires.
2. L'Antidote : La Coconstruction des Politiques Publiques
Face à l'instrumentalisation, la coconstruction est présentée comme le principal antidote, permettant de restaurer un dialogue équilibré et de renforcer la vitalité démocratique.
Fondamentaux et Définition Exigeante
La coconstruction est définie non pas comme une simple consultation ou concertation – démarches souvent sources de "effets déceptifs" – mais comme un processus exigeant de partage du pouvoir.
Selon Jean-Baptiste (CAC), on peut parler de coconstruction "à partir du moment où il y a des éléments de codécision".
Cette approche s'ancre dans une vision de la démocratie en acte, illustrée par la définition de Paul Ricœur :
"Est démocratique une société qui se reconnaît divisée, c’est-à-dire traversée par des contradictions d’intérêt, et qui se fixe comme modalité d’associer à part égale chaque citoyen dans l'expression, l'analyse, la délibération et l'arbitrage de ces contradictions."
Une Méthodologie Structurée
L'expérience montre que la coconstruction est un "chemin escarpé" et ne peut réussir sans méthode.
Les travaux menés notamment par Laurent Fress dans le cadre d'une recherche-action (2017-2018) ont permis d'identifier cinq étapes clés pour un processus rigoureux :
1. État des lieux et diagnostic partagé : Coproduire le savoir sur un territoire.
Cette phase est fondamentale car "savoir, c'est pouvoir". Les Observatoires Locaux de la Vie Associative (OLVA) portés par le Rnma sont des outils privilégiés pour cette étape.
2. Débat public et priorisation : Dégager collectivement les enjeux prioritaires et définir les modalités de la coconstruction.
3. Validation des objectifs et plan d'action : Décider d'un plan d'action concret et, point crucial, en déterminer les moyens. C'est souvent à cette étape que les démarches échouent.
4. Suivi de la mise en œuvre : Piloter conjointement la réalisation du plan d'action.
5. Bilan commun et évaluation partenariale : Mesurer collectivement les effets et ajuster les priorités.
Contexte et Obstacles
La mise en œuvre de la coconstruction se heurte à un contexte général peu favorable :
• Une culture politique historiquement jacobine et décisionniste en France.
• L'imposition du New Public Management qui cantonne les associations à un rôle de gestionnaires.
• Un contexte économique de coupes budgétaires qui fragilise les partenaires associatifs et réduit les marges de manœuvre.
3. Études de Cas et Modèles d'Action
Le webinaire a mis en avant deux approches concrètes qui illustrent les potentiels et les défis de la coconstruction.
L'Expérience du Secteur Culturel : Les Schémas d'Orientation (Solima)
Présenté par Grégoire Patau (Ufisc), le Schéma d'Orientation des Lieux de Musiques Actuelles (Solima) est une méthode de coconstruction expérimentée depuis près de 20 ans.
• Principes : Horizontalité (pas de hiérarchie entre les parties prenantes – État, collectivités, acteurs), démarche ascendante, inscription dans la durée.
• Méthodologie : Un processus cyclique d'observation, conception, mise en œuvre et évaluation.
• Bilan de l'expérience :
◦ Succès : A systématiquement permis une meilleure connaissance des acteurs du territoire, renforcé les réseaux et généré de nouvelles coopérations.
◦ Limites : A eu un impact plus limité sur la redéfinition concrète des politiques publiques ou l'allocation de nouveaux moyens.
La posture des pouvoirs publics reste souvent "surplombante" et le principe du "qui paie, décide" difficile à dépasser.
Le manque de moyens dédiés à l'animation et le risque d'essoufflement sont également des freins majeurs.
La Démocratie d'Interpellation : Poser les Sujets à l'Agenda
Léa Galois (Institut Alinski) a introduit le concept de démocratie d'interpellation comme une condition préalable à la coconstruction.
Il s'agit de permettre aux citoyens, collectifs et associations de faire émerger un sujet et de l'inscrire à l'agenda politique, en particulier pour les voix habituellement "inaudibles".
• Mécanismes proposés :
• Enjeux : L'un des défis majeurs, observé à Grenoble, est d'éviter que ces dispositifs ne reproduisent les inégalités politiques en étant principalement saisis par les catégories socioprofessionnelles les plus favorisées (CSP+).
4. Perspectives et Recommandations Stratégiques
Pour sortir du scénario de l'affaiblissement, plusieurs pistes d'action sont envisagées.
• Traduire les Rapports en Actions : Il est jugé crucial d'éviter que le rapport Suxe ne reste lettre morte.
La préconisation 16 est particulièrement mise en avant : abroger le Contrat d'Engagement Républicain (CER), jugé liberticide, et lui substituer la Charte des engagements réciproques, dont une évaluation nationale des déclinaisons locales est appelée de vœux.
• L'Enjeu Crucial des Ressources : Un constat traverse toutes les interventions : la coconstruction et l'interpellation requièrent des moyens.
Il est essentiel de faire reconnaître et financer la fonction "d'ingénierie et d'animation des coopérations" pour garantir un équilibre des pouvoirs dans le dialogue.
• Vers un "Soulèvement Associatif" : Face au durcissement du contexte, le CAC lance un appel à une mobilisation pour un "soulèvement associatif", visant à reprendre une parole politique forte.
Cette initiative est soutenue par la nécessité de documenter la situation, notamment via l'enquête nationale sur la santé financière des associations lancée par le Rnma, le Mouvement associatif et Hexopée.
• S'outiller Méthodologiquement : La suite des travaux de la recherche participative ESCAPE devrait se concentrer sur la production d'outils méthodologiques, voire de manuels et de formations, pour aider les acteurs associatifs et les collectivités à mettre en œuvre des démarches de coconstruction rigoureuses et efficaces.
Author response:
We thank both reviewers for their valuable comments. We have prepared a point-by-point response below.
Reviewer #1 (Public review):
Weaknesses:
(1) The conclusions regarding the links between neural and behavioral mechanisms are mostly well supported by the data. However, what is less convincing is the authors' argument that their study offers evidence of 'priming'. An important hallmark of priming, at least as is commonly understood by cognitive scientists, is that it is stimulus specific: i.e., a repeated stimulus facilitates response times (repetition priming), or a repeated but previously ignored stimulus increases response times (negative priming). That is, it is an effect on a subsequent repeated stimulus, not ANY subsequent stimulus. Because (prime or target) stimuli are not repeated in the current experiments, the conditions necessary for demonstrating priming effects are not present. Instead, a different phenomenon seems to be demonstrated here, and one that might be more akin to approach/avoidance behavior to a novel or salient stimulus following an appetitive/aversive stimulus, respectively.
(2) On a similar note, the authors' claim that 'priming' per se has not been well studied in non-human animals is not quite correct and would need to be revised. Priming effects have been demonstrated in several animal types, although perhaps not always described as such. For example, the neural underpinnings of priming effects on behavior have been very well characterized in human and non-human primates, in studies more commonly described as investigations of 'response suppression'.
We thank the reviewer for these critical comments. After careful consideration of both reviews, we agree that “priming” may not be the most accurate term to describe the behavioral phenomenon. We plan to revise our terminology throughout the manuscript accordingly to better capture the generalized nature of the effect we observe.
(3) The outcome measure - i.e., difference scores between the two odors or odor and non-odor (i.e., the number of flies choosing to approach the novel odor versus the number approaching the non-odor (air)) - appears to be reasonable to account for a natural preference for odors in the mock-trained group. However, it does not provide sufficient clarification of the results. The findings would be more convincing if these relative scores were unpacked - that is, instead of analyzing difference scores, the results of the interaction between group and odor preference (e.g., novel or air) (or even within the pre- and post-training conditions with the same animals) would provide greater clarity. This more detailed account may also better support the argument that the results are not due to conditioning of the US with pure air.
We use the PI score as a standard metric to quantify all the odor preference in behavioral assays because it allows for robust comparison across different genetic or treatment groups under the same experimental setting. In T-maze, real time tracking of fly trajectories is technically difficult. With olfactory arenas, we showed some examples of fly distribution in quadrants over the entire odor choice test period (Figure 2—figure supplement 2) for both pre-trained and post-trained groups and discussed the trajectories in Discussion. We will ensure this point is clarified in the revised text.
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
[…] They finally recorded from different mushroom body output neurons, including the one (MBON-γ4γ5) likely affected by the increased activity of the corresponding γ4 reward dopaminergic neurons after shock preexposure. They recorded odour-evoked responses from these neurons before and after shock preexposure, but did not find any plasticity, while they found a logical effect during spaced cycles of aversive training.
We thank the reviewer for the summary. We would like to clarify that we did, in fact, observe plasticity in MBON-γ4γ5 following shock exposure, as shown in Figure 4B.
Overall, the study is very interesting with a substantial amount of behavioural analysis and in vivo 2-photon calcium imaging data, but some major (and some minor) issues have to be resolved to strengthen their conclusions.
(1) According to neuropsychological work (Henson, Encyclopedia of Neuroscience (2009), vol. 7, pp. 1055-1063), « Priming refers to a change in behavioral response to a stimulus, following prior exposure to the same, or a related, stimulus. Examples include faster reaction times to make a decision about the stimulus, a bias to produce that stimulus when generating responses, or the more accurate identification of a degraded version of the stimulus". Or "Repetition priming refers to a change in behavioural response to a stimulus following re-exposure" (PMID: 18328508). I therefore do not think that the effects observed by the authors are really the investigation of the neural mechanisms of priming. To me, the effect they observed seems more related to sensitisation, especially for the activation of sweet-sensing neurons. For the shock effect, it could be a safety phenomenon, as in Jacob and Waddell, 2020, involving (as for sugar reward) different subsets for short-term and long-term safety.
As noted in our response to Reviewer #1, we plan to revise our use of the term “priming” in the manuscript to more accurately interpret the behavioral phenomenon.
(2) The author missed the paper from Thomas Preat, The Journal of Neuroscience, October 15, 1998, 18(20):8534-8538 (Decreased Odor Avoidance after Electric Shock in Drosophila Mutants Biases Learning and Memory Tests). In this paper, one of the effects observed by the authors has already been described, and the molecular requirement of memory-related genes is investigated. This paper should be mentioned and discussed.
We thank the reviewer for bringing this important reference to our attention. We will cite the Preat (1998) paper and discuss its relevant findings in relation to our own in the revised manuscript.
(3) Overall, the bidirectional effect they observed is interesting; however, their results are not always clear, and the use of a delta PI is sometimes misleading. The authors have mentioned that shocks induced attraction to the novel odour, while they should stick to the increase or decrease in preference/avoidance.
The ΔPI is calculated either as (trained PI – mock PI) for different animals or as (post PI – pre PI) for the same animals, with the specific calculation clarified in each figure legend. A positive ΔPI signifies an increase in preference for the odor, which is equivalent to a relative attraction or a decrease in avoidance.
As not all experiments are done in parallel logic, it is not always easy to understand which protocol the authors are using. For example, only optogenetics is used in the appetitive preexposure. Does exposing flies to sugar or activating reward dopaminergic neurons also increase odour avoidance? The observed increased odour avoidance after optogenetic activation of sweet-sensing neurons involve reward (e.g., decreased response) and/or punishment (e.g., increased response) to increase odour avoidance?
We used different behavioral assays (T-maze or arena), stimuli (real shock or optogenetics), and protocols (different or same animal groups) to robustly demonstrate the phenomenon across platforms. We explained each protocol in the figures or texts, and we’ll make them clearer to follow in the revised version. We focused on activating a clean set of sugar sensing neurons because this optogenetic stimulus is an effective and efficient substitute to real sugar. We agree that testing reward dopaminergic neuron activation is a logical extension and will consider adding these experiments in the revised work.
The author should always statistically test the fly behavioural performances against 0 to have an idea of random choice or a clear preference toward an odour.
Our primary focus is on the change in preference induced by training, rather than the innate odor preference itself, which can be highly variable due to physiological and environmental factors. Statistical testing against 0 for innate preference scores is not standard practice in this specific paradigm, as the critical question is whether a treatment alters behavior relative to a control.
On the appetitive side, the internal hunger state would play an important role. The author should test it or at least discuss it.
For appetitive experiments, we always starve the flies on 1% agar for two days prior to behavioral tests to standardize their hunger state. We will consider adding fed flies as control groups in the revised work.
(4) The authors found a discrepancy between genetic backgrounds; sometimes the same odour can be attractive or aversive.
We observed minor discrepancies in innate odor preferences across genetic backgrounds, which is a known and common occurrence. Different genotypes and temperatures can result in different baseline PI scores. However, the key finding is that the relative change in odor preference following an aversive stimulus is consistent: it increases the relative preference for an odor compared to air. This sometimes reverses valence (aversion to attraction) and other times simply reduces aversion. Our analysis focuses on this consistent, relative change.
Different effects between the T-maze and the olfactory arena are found. The authors proposed that: "Punishment priming effect was still not detected, probably due to the insensitivity of the optogenetic arena". This is unclear to me, considering all prior work using this arena. The author should discuss it more clearly.
The punishment effect with CS+ present was reliably detected in the T-maze (Figure 1A) but was not significant in the olfactory arena (Figure 2—figure supplement 1B-C). We hypothesize that the olfactory arena assay is less sensitive than the T-maze for detecting such subtle behavioral changes. This is evidenced by the fact that even classical odor-shock conditioning yields lower PI in the arena (typically ~0.4) than in the T-maze (~0.8), likely due to the greater distance flies must explore and travel. The higher variance in the arena may therefore mask more modest effects. Here the effect under investigation was induced by optogenetically activating only a small subset of aversive dopaminergic neurons, a stimulus that is likely weaker than full electric shock. This reduced stimulus strength may have contributed to the challenge of detecting a significant effect in the less sensitive arena paradigm.
They mentioned that flies could not be conditioned with air and electric shock. However, flies could be conditioned with the context + shock, which is changing in the T-maze and not in the optogenetic area.
While flies can be conditioned to context, during the optogenetic stimulation period in the arena, the light is delivered uniformly across all four quadrants. Therefore, any potential context conditioning would be equivalent across the entire chamber and should not bias the final distribution of flies between the odor and air quadrants during the test, nor affect the calculated PI score.
rédiger et diffuser la lettre d’information mensuelle
pareil que pour l'annotation précédente : c'est un travail de secrétariat, la dir est là pour relire et valider, non ?
envoyer aux institutions partenaires le calendrier des réunions du bureau et les inviter à faire remonter leurs propositions ou demandes envoyer aux institutions partenaires le compte-rendu de la réunion du bureau, les inviter à prendre part à des activités spécifiques
@mariebizais les trois derniers point relèvent d'près moi d'un.e secrétaire de distam ...
nourrir la lettre d’information mensuelle
@mariebizais est-ce que c'est aux membres du bureau de nourrir la lettre ? c'est à tous les membres de distam d'envoyer les infos, non ?
questionner les projets sur la prise en compte des questions juridiques et éthiques (gestion des données) ainsi qu’environnementales (traitement des données) et rédiger un rapport sur ces sujets chaque année
je ne sais pas si ce sera au bureau ou autre, on en discutera vendredi
1 organise avec un référent thématique une session “aréale” en marge d’un gros colloque en humanités numériques sur le temps des 4 ans de la labellisation
organiser en marge d'un colloque en hn une session "aréale" avec un référent thématique
1 organise un hackathon sur le temps des 4 ans de la labellisation et le met en oeuvre avec un référent thématique
organiser un hackathon et en assurer la mise en oeuvre avec un référent thématique
propose 1 action “métadonnées” (à définir : réflexion ou travail pratique ou les deux) chaque année et la met en oeuvre avec un membre du bureau
proposer 1 action annuelle "métadonnées" ..., assurer la mise en oeuvre avec un membre du bureau
s’assurer de la bonne préparation
organiser l'école thématique annuelle et en assurer la promotion
s’assurer de la diffusion
faire la promotion et la diffusion
résolution de problèmes
@mariebizais mettre à la place "élaboration de solutions" ? plus positif que parler de "problèmes", non ?
Tout au long du cycle de vie des données de recherche, celles-ci sont traitées, enrichies, publiées et interrogées par les chercheurs, lesquels ne disposent pas toujours des compétences nécessaires pour identifier ou résoudre les problématiques juridiques et éthiques qu’elles soulèvent, ni d’anticiper les coûts énergétiques liés au stockage et au calcul nécessaires pour les traiter. Ces aspects deviennent des composantes incontournables d’une gestion responsable des données. Les enjeux liés à la science ouverte et la spécificité des données dans les études aréales, leur gestion et leur diffusion, outre la clarification des aspects scientifiques, juridiques et éthiques spécifique à chaque aire géographique, doivent sensibiliser à une responsabilisation des enjeux environnementaux. Distam se propose de s’engager dans la prise en compte de ses aspects, de former son équipe d’appui et de devenir un carrefour d’échange autour de la pérennisation et la circulation raisonnée des données en constituant un répertoire de spécialistes des domaines et d’interlocuteurs privilégiés. Distam devra s’engager dans les exigences d’interopérabilité, le respect des cadres légaux et l’engagement en faveur d’une transition écologique.
@mariebizais : voilà ce que je propose, mais ce n'est peut être pas le bon endroit.
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
Summary:
In this single center, single arm, open label non-randomised study the authors tested the use of paclitaxel at 180-220 mg/m2 and cisplatin at 60mg/m2 in patients with squamous NSCLC and pemetrexed at 500mg/m2 and cisplatin at 60mg/m2 in adenocarcinoma of lung origin in the neoadjuvant setting. The chemotherapy appears to have been given at a relatively standard dose; though the platin dose at 60mg/m2 is somewhat lower than has been used in the checkmate 816 trial (75mg/m2/dose), this is a well-established dose for NSCLC.
Key differences to currently approved neoadjuvant chemo-ICI treatment is that anti-PD1 antibody sintilimab (at 200mg/dose) was given on day 5 and that only 2 cycles of chemotherapy were given pre surgery, but then repeated on two occasions post surgery. Between May/2020 and Nov/2023 50 patients were screened, 38 went on to have this schedule of tx, 31 (~82%) went on to have surgery and 27 had the adjuvant treatment. The rate of surgery is entirely consistent with the checkmate 816 data.
Question to the authors:
It would be very helpful to understand why 7 (~18% of the population) patients did not make it to surgery and whether this is related to disease progression, toxicity or other reasons for withdrawal.
The key clinical endpoints were pCR and mPR rates. 2/38 patients are reported to have achieved a radiological pCR but only 31 patients underwent surgery with histological verification. Supp table2 suggests that 10/31 patients achieved a pCR, 6/31 additional patients achieved a major pathological response and that 13/31 did not achieve a major pathological response
It would be really helpful for understanding the clinical outcome to present the histopathological findings in the text in a bit more detail and to refer the outcome to the radiological findings. I note that the reference for pathological responses incorrectly is 38 patients as only 31 patients underwent surgery and were evaluated histologically.
The treatment was very well tolerated with only 1 grade 3 AE reported. The longer term outcome will need to be assessed over time as the cohort is very 'young'. It is not clear what the adjuvant chemo-ICI treatment would add and how this extra treatment would be evaluated for benefit - if all the benefit is in the neoadjuvant treatment then the extra post-operative tx would only add toxicity
Please consider what the two post-operative chemo-ICI cycles might add to the outcome and how the value of these cycles would be assessed. Would there be a case for a randomised assessment in the patients who have NOT achieved a mPR histologically?
While the clinical dataset identifies that the proposed reduced chemo-ICI therapy has clinical merit and should be assessed in a randomized study, the translational work is less informative.
The authors suggest that the treatment has a positive impact on T lymphocytes. Blood sampling was done at day 0 and day 5 of each of the four cycle of chemotherapy with an additional sample post cycle 4. The authors state that data were analysed at each stage.
The data in Figure 3B are reported for three sets of pairs: baseline to pre day 5 in cycle 1, day 5 to day 21 in cycle 1, baseline of cycle to to day 5. It remains unclear whether the datasets contain the same top 20 clones and it would be very helpful to show kinetic change for the individual 'top 20 clones' throughout the events in individual patients; as it stands the 'top20 clones' may vary widely from timepoint to timepoint. Of note, the figures do not demonstrate that the top 20 TCR clones were 'continuously increased'.
Instead, the data suggest that there are fluctuations in the relative distributions over time but that may simply be a reflection of shifts in T cell populations following chemotherapy rather than of immunological effects in the cancer tissue.<br /> Consistent with this the authors conclude (line 304/5): "No significant difference was observed in the diversity, evenness, and clonality of TCR clones across the whole treatment procedure" and this seems to be a more persuasive conclusion than the statement 'that a positive effect on T lymphocytes was observed' - where it is also not clear what 'positive' means.
The text needs a more balanced representation of the data: only a small subset of four patients appear to have been evaluated to generate the data for figure 3B and only three patients (P5, P6, P7) can have contributed to figure 3C if the sample collection is represented accurately in Figure 3A.
The text refers to flow cytometric results in SF3. However, no information is given on the flow cytometry in M&M, markers or gating strategy.
Please consider changing the terminology of the 'phases' into something that is easier to understand. One option would be to use a reference to a more standard unit (cycle 1-4 of chemotherapy and then d0/d5/d21).
Please make it explicit in the text that molecular analyses were undertaken for some patients only, and how many patients contribute to the data in figures 3B-F. Figure 3A suggests paired mRNA data were obtained in 2 patients (P2 and P5) but I cannot find the results on these analyses; four individual blood samples to assess TCR changes int PH1/PH2/PH3and PH4 were only available in four patients (P4,P5,P7,P9). Only three patients seem to have the right samples collected to allow the analysis for 'C3' in figure 3C.
Please display for each of the 'top 20 clones' at any one timepoint how these clones evolve throughout the study; I expect that a clone that is 'top 20' at a given timepoint may not be among the 'top twenty' at all timepoints.
Please also assess if the expanded clonotypes are present (and expanded) in the cancer tissue at resection, to link the effect in blood to the tumour. Given that tissue was collected for 31 patients, mRNA sequencing to generate TCR data should be possible to add to the blood analyses in the 12 patients in Figure 3A. Without this data no clear link can be made to events in the cancer.
Please provide in M&M the missing information on the flow cytometry methodology (instrument, antibody clones, gating strategy) and what markers were used to define T cell subsets (naïve, memory, central memory, effector memory).
The authors also describe that ctDNA reduces after chemo-ICI treatment. This is well documented in their data but ultimately irrelevant: if the cancer volume is reduced to the degree of a radiological or pathological response /complete response then the quantity of circulating DNA from the cancer cells must reduce. More interesting would be the question whether early changes predict clinical outcome and whether recurrent ct DNA elevations herald recurrence.
Please probe whether the molecular data identify good radiological or pathological outcomes before cycle 2 is started and whether the ctDNA levels identify patients who will have a poor response and/or who relapse early.
Author response:
The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews
Public Reviews:
Reviewer #1 (Public Review):
Summary:
Cai et al have investigated the role of msiCAT-tailed mitochondrial proteins that frequently exist in glioblastoma stem cells. Overexpression of msiCAT-tailed mitochondrial ATP synthase F1 subunit alpha (ATP5) protein increases the mitochondrial membrane potential and blocks mitochondrial permeability transition pore formation/opening. These changes in mitochondrial properties provide resistance to staurosporine (STS)-induced apoptosis in GBM cells. Therefore, msiCAT-tailing can promote cell survival and migration, while genetic and pharmacological inhibition of msiCAT-tailing can prevent the overgrowth of GBM cells.
Strengths:
The CAT-tailing concept has not been explored in cancer settings. Therefore, the present provides new insights for widening the therapeutic avenue.
Your acknowledgment of our study's pioneering elements is greatly appreciated.
Weaknesses:
Although the paper does have strengths in principle, the weaknesses of the paper are that these strengths are not directly demonstrated. The conclusions of this paper are mostly well-supported by data, but some aspects of image acquisition and data analysis need to be clarified and extended.
We are grateful for your acknowledgment of our study’s innovative approach and its possible influence on cancer therapy. We sincerely appreciate your valuable feedback. In response, this updated manuscript presents substantial new findings that reinforce our central argument. Moreover, we have broadened our data analysis and interpretation, as well as refined our methodological descriptions.
Reviewer #2 (Public Review):
This work explores the connection between glioblastoma, mito-RQC, and msiCAT-tailing. They build upon previous work concluding that ATP5alpha is CAT-tailed and explore how CAT-tailing may affect cell physiology and sensitivity to chemotherapy. The authors conclude that when ATP5alpha is CAT-tailed, it either incorporates into the proton pump or aggregates and that these events dysregulate MPTP opening and mitochondrial membrane potential and that this regulates drug sensitivity. This work includes several intriguing and novel observations connecting cell physiology, RQC, and drug sensitivity. This is also the first time this reviewer has seen an investigation of how a CAT tail may specifically affect the function of a protein. However, some of the conclusions in this work are not well supported. This significantly weakens the work but can be addressed through further experiments or by weakening the text.
We appreciate the recognition of our study's novelty. To address your concerns about our conclusions, we have revised the manuscript. This revision includes new data and corrections of identified issues. Our detailed responses to your specific points are outlined below.
Recommendations for the authors:
Reviewer #1 (Recommendations For The Authors):
(1) In Figure 1B, please replace the high-exposure blots of ATP5 and COX with representative results. The current results are difficult to interpret clearly. Additionally, it would be helpful if the author could explain the nature of the two different bands in NEMF and ANKZF1. Did the authors also examine other RQC factors and mitochondrial ETC proteins? I'm also curious to understand why CAT-tailing is specific to C-I30, ATP5, and COX-V, and why the authors did not show the significance of COX-V.
We appreciate your inquiry regarding the data. Additional attempts were made using new patient-derived samples; however, these results did not improve upon the existing ATP5⍺, (NDUS3)C-I30, and COX4 signals presented in the figure. This is possibly due to the fact that CAT-tail modified mitochondrial proteins represent only a small fraction of the total proteins in these cells. It is acknowledged that the small tails visible above the prominent main bands are not particularly distinct. To address this, the revised version includes updated images to better illustrate the differences. We believe the assertion that GBM/GSCs possess CAT-tailed proteins is substantiated by a combination of subsequent experimental findings. The figure (refer to new Fig. 1B) serves primarily as an introduction. It is important to note that the CAT-tailed ATP5⍺ plays a vital role in modulating mitochondrial potential and glioma phenotypes, a function which has been demonstrated through subsequent experiments.
It is acknowledged that the CAT-tail modification is not exclusive to the ATP5⍺protein. ATP5⍺ was selected as the primary focus of this study due to its prevalence in mitochondria and its specific involvement in cancer development, as noted by Chang YW et al. Future research will explore the possibility of CAT tails on other mitochondrial ETC proteins. Currently, NDUS3 (C-I30), ATP5⍺, and COX4 serve as examples confirming the existence of these modifications. It remains challenging to detect endogenous CAT-tailing, and bulk proteomics is not yet feasible for this purpose. COX4 is considered significant. We hypothesize that CAT-tailed COX4 may function similarly to the previously studied C-I30 (Wu Z, et al), potentially causing substantial mitochondrial proteostasis stress.
Concerning RQC proteins, our blotting analysis of GBM cell lines now includes additional RQC-related factors. The primary, more prominent bands (indicated by arrowheads) are, in our assessment, the intended bands for NEMF and ANKZF1. Subsequent blotting analyses showed only single bands for both ANKZF1 and NEMF, respectively. The additional, larger molecular weight band of NEMF, which was initially considered for property analysis (phosphorylation, ubiquitination, etc.), was not examined further as it did not appear in subsequent experiments (refer to new Fig. S1C).
References:
Chang YW, et al. Spatial and temporal dynamics of ATP synthase from mitochondria toward the cell surface. Communications biology. 2023;6(1).
Wu Z, et al. MISTERMINATE Mechanistically Links Mitochondrial Dysfunction With Proteostasis Failure. Molecular cell. 2019;75(4).
(2) In addition to Figure 1B, it would be interesting to explore CAT-tailed mETC proteins in cancer tissue samples.
This is an excellent point, and we appreciate the question. We conducted staining for ATP5⍺ and key RQC proteins in both tumor and normal mouse tissues. Notably, ATP5⍺ in GBM exhibited a greater tendency to form clustered punctate patterns compared to normal brain tissue, and not all of it co-localized with the mitochondrial marker TOM20 (refer to new Fig. S3C-E). Crucially, we observed a significant increase in NEMF expression within mouse xenograft tumor tissues, alongside a decrease in ANKZF1 expression (refer to new Fig. S1A, B). These findings align with our observations in human samples.
(3) Please knock down ATP5 in the patient's cells and check whether both the upper band and lower band of ATP5 have disappeared or not.
This control was essential and has been executed now. To validate the antibody's specificity, siRNA knockdown was performed. The simultaneous elimination of both upper and lower bands upon siRNA treatment (refer to new Fig. S2A) confirms they represent genuine signals recognized by the antibody.
(4) In Figure 1C and ID, add long exposure to spot aggregation and oligomer. Figure 1D, please add the blots where control and ATP5 are also shown in NHA and SF (similar to SVG and GSC827).
New data are included in the revised manuscript to address the queries. Specifically, the new Fig 1D now displays the full queue as requested, featuring blots for Control, ATP5α, AT3, and AT20. Our analysis reveals that AT20 aggregates exhibit higher expression and accumulation rates in GSC and SF cells.
Fig. 1C has been updated to include experimental groups treated with cycloheximide and sgNEMF. Our results show that sgNEMF effectively inhibits CAT-tailing in GBM cell lines, whereas cycloheximide has no impact. After consulting with the Reporter's original creator and optimizing expression conditions, we observed no significant aggregates with β-globin-non-stop protein, potentially due to the length of endogenous CAT-tail formation (as noted by Inada, 2020, in Cell Reports). Our analysis focused on the ratio of CAT-tailed (red box blots) and non-CAT-tailed proteins (green box blots). Comparing these ratios revealed that both anisomycin treatment and sgNEMF effectively hinder the CAT-tailing process, while cycloheximide has no effect.
(5) In Figure 1E, please double-check the results with the figure legend. ATP5A aggregated should be shown endogenously. The number of aggregates shown in the bar graph is not represented in micrographs. Please replace the images. For Figure 1E, to confirm the ATP5-specific aggregates, it would be better if the authors would show endogenous immunostaining of C-130 and Cox-IV.
Labels in Fig. 1E were corrected to reflect that the bar graph in Fig. 1F indicates the number of cells with aggregates, not the quantity of aggregates per cell. The presence of endogenous ATP5⍺ is accurately shown. To address the specificity of ATP5⍺, immunostaining for endogenous NUDS3 was conducted. This revealed NUDS3 aggregation in GBM cells (SF and GSC) lacking TOM20, as demonstrated in the new Fig. S3A, B. These findings suggest NUDS3 also undergoes CAT-tailing modification, similar to ATP5⍺.
(6) Figure 3A. Please add representative images in the anisomycin sections. It is difficult to address the difference.
We appreciate your feedback. Upon re-examining the Calcein fluorescence intensity data in Fig. 3A, we believe the images accurately represent the statistical variations presented in Fig. 3B. To address your concerns more effectively, please specify which signals in Fig. 3A you find potentially misleading. We are prepared to revise or substitute those images accordingly.
(7) Figure 3D. If NEMF is overexpressed, is the CAT-tailing of ATP 5 reversed?
Thank you. Your prediction aligns with our findings. We've added data to the revised Fig. S6A, B, which demonstrates that both NEMF overexpression and ANKZF1 knockdown lead to elevated levels of CRC. This increase, however, was not statistically significant in GSC cells. A plausible explanation for this discrepancy is that the MPTP of GSC cells is already closed, thus any additional increase in CAT-tailing activity does not result in further amplification.
(8) Figure 3G. Why on the BN page are AT20 aggregates not the same as shown in Figure 2E?
We appreciate your inquiry regarding the ATP5⍺ blots, specifically those in the original Fig. 3G (left) and 2E (right). Careful observation of the ATP5⍺ band placement in these figures reveals a high degree of similarity. Notably, there are aggregates present at the top, and the diffuse signals extend downwards. Given that this is a gradient polyacrylamide native PAGE, the concentration diminishes towards the top. Consequently, the non-rigid nature of the Blue Native PAGE gel may lead to slight variations in the aggregate signals; however, the overall patterns are very much alike. To mitigate potential misinterpretations, we have rearranged the blot order in the new Fig. 3M.
(9) Figure 4D. The amount of aggregation mediated by AT20 is more compared to AT3. Why are there no such drastic effects observed between AT3 and AT20 in the Tunnel assay?
The previous Figure 4D presents the quantification of cell migration from the experiment depicted in Figure 4C. But this is a good point. TUNEL staining results are directly influenced by mitochondrial membrane potential and the state of mitochondrial permeability transition pores (MPTP), not by the degree of protein aggregation. Our previous experiments showed comparable effects of AT3 and AT20 on mitochondria (Fig. 2E, 3K), which aligns with the expected similar outcomes on TUNEL staining. As for its biological nature, this could be very complicated. We hope to explore it in future studies.
(10) Figure 5C: The role of NEMF and ANKZF1 can be further clarified by conducting Annexin-PI assays using FACS. The inclusion of these additional data points will provide more robust evidence for CAT-tailing's role in cancer cells.
In response to your suggestion, we have incorporated additional data into the revised version.
Using the Annexin-PI kit, we labeled apoptotic cells and detected them using flow cytometry (FACS). Our findings indicate that anisomycin pretreatment, NEMF knockdown (sgNEMF), and ANZKF1 upregulation (oeANKZF1) significantly increase the rate of STS-induced apoptosis compared to the control group (refer to new Fig. S9D-G).
(11) Figure 5F: STS is a known apoptosis inhibitor. Why it is not showing PARP cleavage?
Also, cell death analysis would be more pronounced, if it could be shown at a later time point. What is the STS and Anisomycin at 24h or 48h time-point? Since PARP is cleaved, it would also be better if the authors could include caspase blots.
I guess what you meant to say here is "Staurosporine is a protein kinase inhibitor that can induce apoptosis in multiple mammalian cell lines." Our study observed PARP cleavage even in GSCs, which are typically more resistant to staurosporine-induced apoptosis (C-PARP in Fig. S9B). The ratio of C-PARP to total PARP increased. We selected a 180-minute treatment duration because longer treatments with STS + anisomycin led to a late stage of apoptosis and non-specific protein degradation (e.g., at 24 or 48 hours), making PARP comparisons less meaningful. Following your suggestion, we also examined caspase 3/7 activity in GSC cells treated with DMSO, CHX, and anisomycin. We found that anisomycin treatment also activated caspases (Fig. S9A).
(12) In Figure 5, the addition of an explanation, how CAT-tailing can induce cell death, would add more information such as BAX-BCL2 ratio, and cytochrome-c release from the mitochondria.
Thank you for your suggestion. In this study, we state that specific CAT-tails inhibit GSC cell death/apoptosis rather than inducing it. Therefore, we do not expect that examining BAX-BCL2 and mitochondrial cytochrome c release would offer additional insights.
(13) To confirm the STS resistance, it would be better if the author could do the experiments in the STS-resistant cell line and then perform the Anisomycin experiments.
Thank you. We should emphasize that our data primarily originates from GSC cells. These cells already exhibit STS-resistance when compared to the control cells (Fig. S8A-C).
(14) It would be more advantageous if the author could show ATP5 CATailed status under standard chemotherapy conditions in either cell lines or in vivo conditions.
This is an interesting question. It's worth exploring this question; however, GSC cells exhibit strong resistance to standard chemotherapy treatments like temozolomide (TMZ).
Additionally, we couldn't detect changes in CAT-tailed ATP5⍺ and thus did not include that data.
(15) In vivo (cancer mouse model or cancer fly model) data will add more weight to the story.
We appreciate your intriguing question. An effective approach would be to test the RQC pathway's function using the Drosophila Notch overexpression-induced brain tumor model. However, Khaket et al. have conducted similar studies, stating, "The RNAi of Clbn, VCP, and Listerin (Ltn), homologs of key components of the yeast RQC machinery, all attenuated NSC over-proliferation induced by Notch OE (Figs. 5A and S5A–D, G)." This data supports our theory, and we have incorporated it into the Discussion. While the mouse model more closely resembles the clinical setting, it is not covered by our current IACUC proposal. We intend to verify this hypothesis in a future study.
Reference:
Khaket TP, Rimal S, Wang X, Bhurtel S, Wu YC, Lu B. Ribosome stalling during c-myc translation presents actionable cancer cell vulnerability. PNAS Nexus. 2024 Aug 13;3(8):pgae321.
Reviewer #2 (Recommendations For The Authors):
Figure 1B, C: To demonstrate that Globin, ATP5alpha, and C-130 are CAT-tailed, it is necessary to show that the high mobility band disappears after NEMF deletion or mutagenesis of the NFACT domain of NEMF. This can be done in a cell line. The anisomycin experiment is not convincing because the intensity of the bands drops and because no control is done to show that the effects are not due to translation inhibition (e.g. cycloheximide, which inhibits translation but not CAT tailing). Establishing ATP5alpha as a bonafide RQC substrate and CAT-tailed protein is critical to the relevance of the rest of the paper.
Thank you for suggesting this crucial control experiment.
To confirm the observed signal is indeed a bona fide CAT-tail, it's essential to demonstrate that NEMF is necessary for the CAT-tailing process. We have incorporated data from NEMF knockdown (sgNEMF) and cycloheximide treatment into the revised manuscript. Our findings show that both sgNEMF and anisomycin treatment effectively inhibit the formation of CAT-tailing signals on the reporter protein (Fig. 1C). Similarly, NEMF knockdown in a GSC cell line also effectively eliminated CAT-tails on overexpressed ATP5⍺ (Fig. S2B).
In general, the text should be weakened to reflect that conclusions were largely gleaned from artificial CAT tails made of AT repeats rather than endogenously CAT-tailed ATP5alpha. CAT tails could have other sequences or be made of pure alanine, as has been suggested by some studies.
Thank you for your reminder. We have reviewed the recent studies by Khan et al. and Chang et al., and we found their analysis of CAT tail components to be highly insightful. We concur with your suggestion regarding the design of the CAT tail sequence. We aimed to design a tail that maintained stability and resisted rapid degradation, regardless of its length. In the revised version, we clarify that our conclusions are based on artificial CAT tails, specifically those composed of AT repeat sequences (p. 9). We acknowledge that the presence of other sequence components may lead to different outcomes (p. 19).
Reference:
Khan D, Vinayak AA, Sitron CS, Brandman O. Mechanochemical forces regulate the composition and fate of stalled nascent chains. bioRxiv [Preprint]. 2024 Oct 14:2024.08.02.606406. Chang WD, Yoon MJ, Yeo KH, Choe YJ. Threonine-rich carboxyl-terminal extension drives aggregation of stalled polypeptides. Mol Cell. 2024 Nov 21;84(22):4334-4349.e7.
Throughout the work (e.g. 3B, C), anisomycin effects should be compared to those with cycloheximide to observe if the effects are specific to a CAT tail inhibitor rather than a translation inhibitor.
We agree that including cycloheximide control experiments is crucial. The revised version now incorporates new data, as depicted in Fig. S5A, B, illustrating alterations in the on/off state of MPTP following cycloheximide treatment. Furthermore, Fig. S6A, B present changes in Calcium Retention Capacity (CRC) under cycloheximide treatment. The consistency of results across these experiments, despite cycloheximide treatment, suggests that anisomycin's role is specifically as a CAT tail inhibitor, rather than a translation inhibitor.
Line 110, it is unclear what "short-tailed ATP5" is. Do you mean ATP5alpha-AT3? If so this needs to be introduced properly. Line 132: should say "may indicate accumulation of CAT-tailed protein" rather than "imply".
We acknowledge your points. We have clarified that the "short-tailed ATP5α" refers to ATP5α-AT3 and incorporated the requested changes into the revised manuscript.
Figure 1C: how big are those potential CAT-tails (need to be verified as mentioned earlier)?
They look gigantic. Include a ladder.
In the revised Fig. 1D, molecular weight markers have been included to denote signal sizes. The aggregates in the previous Fig. 1C, also present in the control plasmid, are likely a result of signal overexposure. The CAT-tailed protein is observed just above the intended band in these blots. These aggregates have been re-presented in the updated figures, and their signal intensities quantified.
Line 170: "indicating that GBM cells have more capability to deal with protein aggregation".
This logic is unclear. Please explain.
We appreciate your question and have thoroughly re-evaluated our conclusion. We offer several potential explanations for the data presented in Fig. 1D: (1) ATP5α-AT20 may demonstrate superior stability. (2) GSC (GBM) cells might lack adequate mechanisms to monitor protein accumulation. (3) GSC (GBM) cells could possess an increased adaptive capacity to the toxicity arising from protein accumulation. This discussion has been incorporated into the revised manuscript (lines 166-169).
Line 177: how do you know the endogenous ATP5alpha forms aggregates due to CAT-tailing? Need to measure in a NEMF hypomorph.
We understand your concern and have addressed it. Revised Fig. 3G, H demonstrates that a reduction in NEMF levels, achieved through sgNEMF in GSC cells, significantly diminishes ATP5α aggregation. This, in conjunction with the Anisomycin treatment data presented in revised Fig. 3E, F, confirms the substantial impact of the CAT-tailing process on this aggregation.
Line 218: really need a cycloheximide or NEMF hypomorph control to show this specific to CAT-tailing.
We have revised the manuscript to include data from sgNEMF and cycloheximide treatments, specifically Fig. 3G, H, and Fig. S5C, D, as detailed in our response above.
Lines 249,266, Figure 5A: The mentioned experiments would benefit from controls including an extension of ATP5alpha that was not alanine and threonine, perhaps a gly-ser linker, as well as an NEMF hypomorph.
We sincerely appreciate your insightful comments. In response, the revised manuscript now incorporates control data for ATP5α featuring a poly-glycine-serine (GS) tail. This data is specifically presented in Figs. S2E-G, S4E, S7A, D, E, and S8F, G. Our experimental findings consistently demonstrate that the overexpression of ATP5α, when modified with GS tails, had no discernible impact on protein aggregation, mitochondrial membrane potential, GSC cell mobility, or any other indicators assessed in our study.
Figure S5A should be part of the main figures and not in the supplement.
This has been moved to the main figure (Fig. 5C).
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
This study provides some interesting observations on how different flavour e-cigarettes can affect lung immunology; however, there are numerous flaws, including a low replicate number and a lack of effective validation methods, meaning findings may not be repeated. This is a revised article but several weaknesses remain related to the analysis and interpretation of the data.
Strengths:
The strength of the study is the successful scRNA-seq experiment which gives some preliminary data that can be used to create new hypotheses in this area.
Weaknesses:
Although some text weaknesses have been addressed since resubmission, other specific weaknesses remain: The major weakness is the n-number and analysis methods. Two biological n per group is not acceptable to base any solid conclusions. Any validatory data was too little (only cell % data) and not always supporting the findings (e.g. figure 3D does not match 3B/4A). Other examples include:
(1) There aren't enough cells to justify analysis - only 300-1500 myeloid cells per group with not many of these being neutrophils or the apparent 'Ly6G- neutrophils'
(2) The dynamic range of RNA measurement using scRNAseq is known to be limited - how do we know whether genes are not expressed or just didn't hit detection? This links into the Ly6G negative neutrophil comments, but in general the lack of gene expression in this kind of data should be viewed with caution, especially with a low n number and few cells. The data in the entire paper is not strong enough to base any solid conclusion - it is not just the RNA-sequencing data.
(3) There is no data supporting the presence of Ly6G negative neutrophils. In the flow cytometry only Ly6G+ cells are shown with no evidence of Ly6G negative neutrophils (assuming equal CD11b expression). There is no new data to support this claim since resubmission and the New figures 4C and D actually show there are no Ly6G negative cells - the cells that the authors deem Ly6G negative are actually positive - but the red overlay of S100A8 is so strong it blocks out the green signal - looking to the Ly6G single stains (green only) you can see that the reported S100A8+Ly6G- cells all have Ly6G (with different staining intensities).
(4) Eosinophils are heavily involved in lung macrophage biology, but are missing from the analysis - it is highly likely the RNA-sequence picked out eosinophils as Ly6G- neutrophils rather than 'digestion issues' the authors claim
(5) After author comments, it appears the schematic in Figure 1A is misleading and there are not n=2/group/sex but actually only n=1/group/sex (as shown in Figure 6A). Meaning the n number is even lower than the previous assumption.
Author response:
The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.
Reviewer #1 (Public review):
Summary:
The authors tackled the public concern about E-cigarettes among young adults by examining the lung immune environment in mice using single-cell RNA sequencing, discovering a subset of Ly6G- neutrophils with reduced IL-1 activity and increased CD8 T cells following exposure to tobaccoflavored e-cigarettes. Preliminary serum cotinine (nicotine metabolite) measurements validated the effective exposure to fruit, menthol, and tobacco-flavored e-cigarettes with air and PG:VG serving as control groups. They also highlighted the significance of metal leaching, which fluctuated over different exposure durations to flavored e-cigarettes, underscoring the inherent risks posed by these products. The scRNAseq analysis of e-cig exposure to flavors and tobacco demonstrated the most notable differences in the myeloid and lymphoid immune cell populations. Differentially expressed genes (DEGs) were identified for each group and compared against the air control. Further subclustering revealed a flavor-specific rise in Ly6G- neutrophils and heightened activation of cytotoxic T cells in response to tobacco-flavored e-cigarettes. These effects varied by sex, indicating that immune changes linked to e-cig use are dependent on gender. By analyzing the expression of various genes and employing gene ontology and gene enrichment analysis, they identified key pathways involved in this immune dysregulation resulting from flavor exposure. Overall, this study affirmed that e-cigarette exposure can suppress the neutrophil-mediated immune response, subsequently enhancing T cell toxicity in the lung tissue of mice.
Strengths:
This study used single-cell RNA sequencing to comprehensively analyze the impact of e-cigarettes on the lung. The study pinpointed alterations in immune cell populations and identified differentially expressed genes and pathways that are disrupted following e-cigarette exposure. The manuscript is well written, the hypothesis is clear, the experiments are logically designed with proper control groups, and the data is thoroughly analyzed and presented in an easily interpretable manner. Overall, this study suggested novel mechanisms by which e-cigs impact lung immunity and created a dataset that could benefit the lung immunity field.
Weaknesses:
The authors included a valuable control group - the PG:VG group, since PG:VG is the foundation of the e-liquid formulation. However, most of the comparative analyses use the air group as the control. Further analysis comparing the air group to the PG:VG group, and the PG:VG group to the individual flavored e-cig groups will provide more clear insights into the true source of irritation. This is done for a few analyses but not consistently throughout the paper. Flavor-specific effects should be discussed in greater detail. For example, Figure 1E shows that the Fruit flavor group exhibits more severe histological pathology, but similar effects were not corroborated by the singlecell data.
We thank the reviewer for this query. We agree that PG:VG group is the foundation of the e-liquid formulation and hence comparisons with this group are of significance to understand the effect of individual flavors on the cell population. Though we compared the flavored e-cig groups with PG:VG group, we did not discuss it in detail within the manuscript to avoid confusions in interpretation for this study. However, we have now included the comparisons with the PG:VG group as a Supplement File S13-S18 in our revised manuscript to facilitate proper interpretation of our omics data to interested readers.
While we agree that flavor-specific effects might be of interest, we did not delve into exploring them in detail as the fruit flavor e-liquids have now been regulated/banned from sale in the US. Thus, from regulatory point of view, the effects of tobacco-flavored e-liquids hold most interest. Since at the time of conducting this study, fruit flavors were in the market, we have still included the data. However, studying it further was not the focus of this work.
The characterization of Ly6g+ vs Ly6g- neutrophils is interesting and potentially very impactful. Key results like this from scRNAseq analyses should be validated by qPCR and flow cytometry.
Also, a recent study by Ruscitti et al reported Ly6g+ macrophages in the lung which can potentially confound the cell type analysis. A more detailed marker gene and sub-population analysis of the myeloid clusters could rule out this potential confounding factor.
We agree with the reviewer that the loss of Ly6G on neutrophils is a very interesting finding and we have designed a neutrophil specific experiment to study the impact of e-cig exposure on neutrophil maturation and function which will be discussed in subsequent work by our group. To address the concerns raised by the reviewer, we stained the lung tissue samples from air-and tobacco flavored e-cig aerosol exposed mouse lungs with Ly6G and S100A8 (universal marker for neutrophil) to see the infiltration of Ly6G+ vs Ly6G- neutrophils within the lungs of exposed and unexposed mice. Results from this study showed that exposure to tobacco-flavored e-cig aerosol affects the neutrophil population within the mouse lungs. In fact, the changes were more pronounced for female mice. The data have now been shown in Figure 4.
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
This study provides some interesting observations on how different flavors of e-cigarettes can affect lung immunology, however there are numerous flaws including a low number of replicates and a lack of effective validation methods which reduces the robustness and rigor of the findings.
Strengths:
The strength of the study is the successful scRNA-seq experiment which gives good preliminary data that can be used to create new hypotheses in this area.
Weaknesses:
The major weakness is the low number of replicates and the limited analysis methods. Two biological n per group is not acceptable to base any solid conclusions. Any validatory data was too little (only cell % data) and did not always support the findings (e.g. Figure 4D does not match 4C). Often n seems to be combined and only one data point is shown, it is not at all clear how the groups were analyzed and how many cells in each group were compared.
We thank the reviewer for recognizing the strengths of this manuscript while pointing out the errors to allow us to improve our analyses. We understand that the low number of replicates in this work makes the analyses difficult to draw solid conclusions, but this was a pilot study to identify the changes in the mouse lung upon acute exposures to flavored e-cig aerosols at a single cell level. So far, the e-cig field has been primarily focused on conducting toxicological studies to help regulatory bodies to set standards and enforce laws to better regulate the manufacture, sale and distribution of e-cig products. However, adolescents and young adults are still getting access to these products, and there is little to no understanding of how this may affect the lung health upon acute and chronic exposures. Single cell technology is a powerful tool to analyze the gene expression changes within cell populations to study cell heterogeneity and function. Yet, it is a costly tool owing to which conducting such analyses on large sample sizes is not ideal. This pilot study was designed to get some initial leads for our future studies involving larger sample sizes and chronic exposures. However, due to the vast information that is provided by a single cell RNA sequencing experiment, we intend to share it with a larger audience to support research and further study in this area. We understand that the validations are limited in our current work and so we have now conducted coimmunostaining to validate the Ly6G+ and Ly6G- neutrophil population. We have now included single cell findings with the validating experiments using classical methods of experimentation including ELISA, immunostaining or flow cytometry and revamped the whole manuscript. However, it is important to mention that such validations are sometimes challenging as many of these techniques still investigate the tissue while the changes shown in single cell analyses are mainly pertaining to a single cell type. This could be well-understood by looking at the flow cytometry results for neutrophils where we use Ly6G as a marker to stain for neutrophils which is only found in mature neutrophil population.
Only 71,725 cells mean only 7,172 per group, which is 3,586 per animal - how many of these were neutrophils, T-cells, and macrophages? This was not shown and could be too low.
We do agree that the number of cells could be too low. To avoid this, we did not study gene expression variations at the finest level of cell identity. We classified the cell clusters into general annotations -myeloid, lymphoid, endothelial, stromal and epithelial- and identified the changes in the gene expressions. Of these, only two clusters (myeloid and lymphoid) with more than ~1000 cells per cell type per group were studied in detail. We have included the cell count information to allow better interpretation of our results in the revised manuscript. For a single cell point of view, a cell count of ~3500 each with over 20000 features (genes) has good statistical strength and merit in our opinion.
The dynamic range of RNA measurement using scRNA seq is known to be limited - how do we know whether genes are not expressed or just didn't hit detection? This links into the Ly6G negative neutrophil comment, but in general, the lack of gene expression in this kind of data should be viewed with caution, especially with a low n number and few cells.
This is a well-taken point, and we thank the reviewer for this comment. We agree that the dynamic range RNA measurement is limited low cell numbers that could lead to bias. However, none of the clusters with counts lower than 150 were included for differential gene analyses. To avoid confusion, we now show immunofluorescence results to validate the findings. We are certain that with the inclusion of these validation experiments, will convince the reviewer about the loss of Ly6G marker from neutrophils and lack of proper neutrophilic response in exposed mouse lungs as compared to the controls.
There is no rigorous quantification of Ly6G+ and Ly6G- cells int he flow cytometry data.
We understand that flow-based quantification of our scRNA seq findings would be interesting. However, flow cytometry and single cell suspension to perform sequencing were performed parallelly for this study. We used a basic flow panel using single markers to identify individual immune cell type. We did identify changes in the Ly6G population in our treated and control samples using scRNA seq and intend to exclude it as a marker for our future studies using flow cytometry. Unfortunately, the same analyses could not be performed for the current batch of samples. We have now included results from IHC staining to identify the Ly6G+ and Ly6G- population in the lung tissues from control and treated mice in revised manuscript to address some of the concerns raised here.
Eosinophils are heavily involved in lung biology but are missing from the analysis.
We use RBC lysis buffer to remove the excess RBCs during lung digestion for preparation of single cell suspension for scRNA seq in this study. Reports suggest that RBC lysis could adversely affect the eosinophil number and function. We did not identify any cell cluster, representing markers for eosinophils through our scRNA seq data and we believe that our lung digestion protocol could be the reason for it. We have studied the eosinophil changes through flow cytometry in these samples and have found significant changes as well. However, due to our inability to find cell clusters for eosinophil through scRNA seq data, we did not include these results in the final manuscript previously. To avoid confusion and maintain transparency, we have now included the changes in eosinophils through flow cytometry in revised manuscript (Figure S4).
The figures had no titles so were difficult to navigate.
We have now revamped the figures to make it easier for the readers to navigate.
PGVG is not defined and not introduced early enough.
We have made the necessary changes in the revised manuscript.
Neutrophils are not well known to proliferate, so any claims about proliferation need to be accompanied by validation such as BrdU or other proliferation assays.
We have now removed the cell cycle scoring information from the revised manuscript. Performing BrDU assay was not possible for these tissues due to limited samples and resources. However, we may consider performing it in our future studies.
It was not clear how statistics were chosen and why Table S2 had a good comparison (two-way ANOVA with gender as a variable) but this was not used for other data particularly when looking at more functional RNA markers (Table S2 also lacks the interaction statistic which is most useful here).
We have now included the two-way ANOVA statistics (Supplementary File S3) for other data included in the revised manuscript. It is important to note that since we did not identify any significant changes upon two-way ANOVA, the interaction statistics were not available for the abovementioned statistical test. We have included the interaction information wherever available.
Many statistics are only vs air control, but it would be more useful as a flavor comparison to see these vs PGVG. In some cases, the carrier PGVG looks worse than some of the flavors (which have nicotine).
While we agree with this comment of the reviewer, comparisons with PG:VG were not included due to the low cell numbers for PG:VG samples obtained following quality control and filtering of scRNA seq analyses. However, considering the reviewer’s question we still include the details of comparisons with PG:VG included as supplementary files S13-S18 in the revised manuscript.
The n number is a large issue, but in Figures such as 4, 6, and 7 it could be a bigger factor. The number of significant genes identified has been determined by chance rather than any real difference, e.g. Is Il1b not identified in Fruit flavor vs air because there wasn't enough n, while in Air vs Tobacco, it randomly hit the significance mark. This is but an example of the problems with the analysis and conclusions.
While we agree in part with the concern raised here. In our opinion, an omics study is not necessarily aimed at finding the changes at transcript level with absolute certainty, but rather to identify probable cell and gene targets to validate with subsequent work. We did not claim that our findings are absolute outcomes but rather add the limitation of sample number and need for further research at every step. The strength of this work is to be the first study of its kind looking at changes in the lung cell population at single cell level upon e-cig aerosol exposure. This study has provided us with interesting gene and cell targets that we are now validating with future work. We still strongly believe that a dataset like this is a useful resource for a wider audience.
The data in Figure 7A is confusing, if this is a comparison to air, then why does air vs air not equal 1? Even if this was the comparison to the average of air between males and females, then this doesn't explain why CCL12 is >1 in both. Is this z-score instead? Regardless the data is difficult to interpret in this format.
We have now changed the format of data representation in the figure.
Individual n was not shown for almost all experiments - e.g. Figure 1D - what is this representative of? Figure 2D - is this bulk-grouped data for all cells and all mice? The heatmaps are also pooled from 2n and don't show the variability.
Wherever needed, the n number has been included in the Figure legend. Additionally, the n number is shown in Figure 1A. However, with respect to the second comment we would like to differ from the reviewer’s opinion. Each scRNA seq data had 2 samples – one for male and another for female which has been clearly shown in the current figures. The pooling of cells as mentioned in the comment happened at the stage of preparation of cell suspension from each sex/group at the start of the sequencing. We show the results of the pooled sample showing the variability amongst pooled samples, which we acknowledge is a shortcoming of our work. In terms of representation of the heat maps and data analyses we have included all the needed information to uphold transparency of our study design and data visualization for each figure and would like to stick to the current representations. However, validation cohort does not involve any pooling of sample and still agrees with most of the deductions made from this study. So we are confident that no over statements have been made in this work and we still provide a useful dataset to inform future research in this area.
Reviewer #3 (Public review):
This work aims to establish cell-type specific changes in gene expression upon exposure to different flavors of commercial e-cigarette aerosols compared to control or vehicle. Kaur et al. conclude that immune cells are most affected, with the greatest dysregulation found in myeloid cells exposed to tobacco-flavored e-cigs and lymphoid cells exposed to fruit-flavored e-cigs. The up-and-downregulated genes are heavily associated with innate immune response. The authors suggest that a Ly6G-deficient subset of neutrophils is found to be increased in abundance for the treatment groups, while gene expression remains consistent, which could indicate impaired function. Increased expression of CD4+ and CD8+ T cells along with their associated markers for proliferation and cytotoxicity is thought to be a result of activation following this decline in neutrophil-mediated immune response.
Strengths:
(1) Single-cell sequencing data can be very valuable in identifying potential health risks and clinical pathologies of lung conditions associated with e-cigarettes considering they are still relatively new.
(2) Not many studies have been performed on cell-type specific differential gene expression following exposure to e-cig aerosols.
(3) The assays performed address several factors of e-cig exposure such as metal concentration in the liquid and condensate, coil composition, cotinine/nicotine levels in serum and the product itself, cell types affected, which genes are up- or down-regulated and what pathways they control.
(4)Considerations were made to ensure clinical relevance such as selecting mice whose ages corresponded with human adolescents so that the data collected was relevant.
Weaknesses:
The exposure period of 1 hour a day for 5 days is not representative of chronic use and this time point may be too short to see a full response in all cell types. The experimental design is not well-supported based on the literature available for similar mouse models.
This study was not designed to study the effects of chronic exposures on lung tissues. We were interested in delineating the effect of acute exposures for which the proposed study design was chosen. Previous work by our group has performed similar exposures and has been well received by the community. We understand that chronic exposures will be interesting to look at, but that was beyond the scope of this pilot study. Longer / chronic exposures will be conducted considering disease modifying effects of e-cigarettes.
Several claims lack supporting evidence or use data that is not statistically significant. In particular, there were no statistical analyses to compare results across sex, so conclusions stating there is a sex bias for things like Ly6G+ neutrophil percentage by condition are observational.
We thank the reviewer for this observation, and we have now included the necessary validations and details of the sex-based statistical analyses in the revised version of this manuscript.
Statistical analyses lack rigor and are not always displayed with the most appropriate graphical representation.
We thank the reviewer and have included all the necessary statistical details with more details in the revised manuscript.
Overall, the paper and its discussion are relatively limited and do not delve into the significance of the findings or how they fit into the bigger picture of the field.
As pointed out by the reviewers themselves the strength of this work is in the first ever scRNA seq analyses of mice exposed to differently flavored e-cig aerosols in vivo. We also show cellspecific differential gene expressions and address some of the major queries made around e-cig research including release of metals on a day-to-day basis from the same coil. The limited sample number makes it difficult to draw solid conclusions from this work, which has been discussed as a shortcoming. Nevertheless, the major strength of this work is not in identifying specific trends, but rather to determine the possible cell and gene targets to expand the study for longer (chronic) exposures with a larger sample group. We have mentioned the significance of the study with respect to vaping effects on cellular heterogeneity leading to deleterious effects.
The manuscript lacks validation of findings in tissue by other methods such as staining.
We have now included some validation experiments and revamped the revised manuscript to support scRNA seq findings.
This paper provides a foundation for follow-up experiments that take a closer look at the effects of e-cig exposure on innate immunity. There is still room to elaborate on the differential gene expression within and between various cell types.
We thank the reviewer for this observation. The cell numbers for some cell clusters (especially epithelial cells) were too low. So, though we have performed the differential gene expression analyses on all the cell clusters, we refrained from discussing it in the manuscript to avoid over interpretation of our results. Only clusters with high enough (> 150) cells per sex per group were used to plot the heatmaps. We have now included the cell numbers for each cell type in the revisions to allow better interpretation of our data. Furthermore, the raw data from this study will be freely available to the public upon publication of this manuscript. This would enable the interested readers to access the raw data and study the cell types of interest in detail based on their study requirements. This data will be a useful resource for all in this community to inform and design future studies.
Recommendation For The Author:
Major comments
Mouse experiments are extremely variable and an n of 2 is not enough. Because of the complexity of separating male and female mice, the analyses are not adequately powered to support conclusions. The two-way ANOVA style approach to consider sex as a separate variable was a great idea in Table S2 - but this was not used elsewhere, and there is a need to show the interaction statistic (which would say if there is a flavor effect dependent on sex).
We thank the reviewers for this recommendation. We agree that the experiments are highly variable. However, it is not merely an outcome of a small sample size (which we address as one of the limitations). What is important to mention here is the fact that validating results from single cell technologies using regular molecular biology techniques is challenging and may not completely align. It is because we are comparing single cell population in the former and a heterogeneous cell population in latter. However, considering this comment, we have now toned down our conclusions and performed some extra experiments to validate single cell findings. We also provide the results from two-way ANOVA statistics for all the figures/experiments performed in this work.
More validatory data with PCR, immunostaining, and flow cytometry would be very helpful. This includes validating the neutrophil functional and phenotype data and the T-cell data by flow cytometry.
To validate the presence of Ly6G+ and Ly6G- neutrophil population, we performed coimmunostaining experiments and proved that exposure to tobacco-flavored e-cig aerosols results in increase in cell percentages of two neutrophil population in female mice. We also re-analyzed our Flow cytometry data to align with scRNA seq results. Multiplex protein assay was another technique used to show altered innate/adaptive immune responses upon exposure to differently flavored e-cig aerosol. Of note, considering the short duration of exposure we did not identify significant changes in cell numbers or inflammatory responses. But we have now validated our scRNA seq results using various techniques to draw meaningful conclusions.
The in vivo experimental design seems to model very short-term exposure. In the literature, including the papers cited in the references, much longer time points are used, extending from several weeks to months of exposure. There seem to be few examples of papers using 5-day exposure and those that do are inspired by traditional cigarette smoke rather than e-cig aerosols or model acute exposure by making the daily duration longer. It is important to consider the possibility that the greatest number of up- or down-regulated genes are found in immune cell populations solely because they are the first to be affected by e-cig exposure and the other cell types just do not have time to become dysregulated in 5 days.
We thank the reviewers for this comment. We do not refute the fact that our observations of major changes in the immune cell population are due to the short duration of exposure. This was one of the first studies using single cell technologies to look at cell specific changes in the mouse lungs exposed to e-cig aerosols. However, the future experiments being conducted in our lab are using more controlled approach to mimic chronic exposures to e-cig aerosols to identify changes in other cell types and long-term effects of e-cig exposures in vivo. However, since this was not the focus of this work, we have not discussed it in detail.
The validity of the claims pertaining to septal thickening and mean linear intercept (MLI) are questionable due to the poor lung inflation of the treatment group, which the authors acknowledge. Thus, MLI cannot be accurately used. It is contradictory to state that the fruit-flavored treatment group presented challenges with inflation but then concluded that there is a phenotype. In addition, inflation with low-melting agarose is not an ideal method because it does not use a liquid column to maintain constant pressure. For these metrics to be used and evaluated, it is imperative that all lobes are properly inflated. Therefore, these data should either be repeated or removed.
We agree with this critique and have removed the MLI quantification from the revised manuscripts, we also do not make claims regarding much histological changes upon exposure. We suggest further work in future to get better understanding of the effect of differently flavored e-cig aerosol exposure on mouse lungs.
What is the purpose of analyzing cell cycle scores? Why is it relevant that neutrophils are in G2M-phase? Figure 3B shows that neutrophils are clearly in both G1- and G2M-phase and this cluster includes both Ly6G+ and Ly6G- subsets, so it does not seem accurate to claim that they are in the G2M-phase of the cell cycle, nor does it reveal anything novel about Ly6G- neutrophils. Is it possible that the cell cycle score is noting a point in differentiation when neutrophils acquire/begin expressing Ly6G? Ly6G expression in neutrophils has been found to be associated with differentiation and maturation. To rule out the possibility that this is a cell state being identified, differential gene expression between the 2 neutrophil subsets should be shown in a volcano plot. It would also be useful to stain for Ly6G+/- neutrophils using either IF or RNAscope to prove they are present. If the claim is that Ly6G- neutrophils are a "unique" population, it must be established to what extent they are unique. Immune cells cluster together on UMAPs, so what if these are a different cell type entirely, like another immature myeloid lineage, and this is an artifact of clustering? This could be clarified with a trajectory analysis and further subsetting of the immune population.
We thank the reviewers for this comment. We now realize that analyzing the cell cycle scores was not serving the intended purpose in this work. Moreover, due to the use of pooled samples for scRNA seq analyses, it may not be best to perform such downstream analyses in our datasets. We have thus removed these graphs from the revised version and have tried to simplify the conclusions of our study to the readers.
Our main take home from this study is the increase in number of mature (Ly6G+) and immature (Ly6G-) neutrophils in tobacco-flavored e-cig aerosol exposed mouse lungs as compared to air control. This result was validated using co-immunofluorescence in the revised manuscript (Figure 4).
In vivo validation of findings should be included, especially for the claimed changes. As of now, this paper serves more as a dataset that could be further explored by other groups, which in itself is valuable, but it is just one single cell sequencing experiment without validation.
We thank the reviewers for this comment. We have used multiple techniques (flow cytometry, multiplex protein assay, co-immunofluorescence) in the revised manuscript to validate the scRNA seq findings. However, this was a preliminary study which was designed to generate a small dataset for future experiments, and we do not have resources to add more validatory experiments for this study. We are currently designing chronic e-cig exposure studies to elaborate upon certain hypothesis generated through this study in future.
Minor Comments
There are several examples of typos or small errors in the text that would benefit from proofreading. Examples: line 51 "in the many countries including (the) United States (US), (the) United Kingdom..."; on line 54, the reference cited states that 9.4% of middle schoolers are daily users, not 9.2%; on line 55 the reference cited states that these are the most commonly used flavors, not the most preferred, which explains why the percentages do not add up to 100; line 120 "the lungs were in a collapsed state than the other groups"; line 127 "to confirm out speculations"; line 136 "PGVG" instead of the previously used "PG:VG"; line 140 "(single cell capture))"; line 999 "result in" rather than "results in" for Figure 4 title, etc.
We thank the reviewer for this comment. The manuscript has been thoroughly proofread and edited to avoid typos and grammatical errors.
If this is a "pilot study" (as it is stated in the introduction) it is meant to assess the validity of experimental design on a small scale to later test a hypothesis. The authors should change the phrasing.
We have now changed the phrasing as suggested.
The introduction lacked the necessary context and background. Some information described in the results section could be addressed in the intro. For example: What is the significance of neutrophils having a Ly6G deficiency? Why was the exposure duration of 1 hour a day for 5 days chosen? Why use nose-only exposure when many models use whole-body exposure? Why look at cell-type-specific changes?
We have made the necessary amendments in the introduction.
Some figure titles only address certain panels rather than summarizing the figure as a whole. For example, the title of Figure 1 only refers to panel D and is unrelated to serum cotinine levels, septa thickening, or mean linear intercept. The text discussed conclusions about septa thickening and Lm values for the fruit-flavored treatment group, so they are equally relevant to the figure compared to the metal levels.
We have now changed the Figures and Figure legends to summarize the figure.
significance level is not defined in Figure 1 legend although it is used in Figure 1C.
The Figure legend has now been updated.
Figure 1E does not include a scale bar.
We have now included the scale bar in updated figures.
The multiplex ELISA shown in the experimental design schematic is not further discussed in the paper. Flow cytometry plots should be displayed in addition to the data they generated.
The flow cytometry plots have now been included (Figures 3&5) and the results for Multiplex ELISA are shown as Figure S3D and lines 327-342 of the revised manuscript.
In Figure 1F, a multivariate ANOVA should be used so that multiple groups can be compared across sex, rather than plotting in a sex-specific manner and claiming there exists a sex bias. The small sample size also introduces an issue because a p-value cannot be generated with so few samples.
Per the suggestions made previously, figure 1F has now been removed from the revised manuscript.
The protocol for achieving a single-cell suspension should be detailed in the methods section. As is, it only describes the sample collection and preparation. This could help elucidate to the reader why the UMAP shows such a large abundance of immune cells.
We have now included the protocol in the revised manuscript.
Clarify whether PG:VG was used as a control in the scRNA sequencing in addition to air to generate the UMAP in Figure 2A.
Yes, PG:VG was used as one of the controls which has now been illustrated as groupwise comparison in Figure 2D. We have also included the comparisons to identify DEGs in myeloid and lymphoid clusters upon comparison of various treatment groups versus PGVG (Supplementary Files S13-S18)
A UMAP should be shown for each treatment group/flavor. The overall UMAP in Figure 1A is good, but there could be another panel with separate projections for each condition.
A groupwise UMAP has now been included in Figure 2D.
In Figure 2C, relative cell percentage is not a reliable method to quantify cell type and the histogram is not a great way to visualize the data or its statistical significance. These claims should also be validated in tissue.
We thank the reviewers for this comment and have tried to validate the findings using Flow cytometry. However, we may want to add that the changes observed in single cell technologies cannot be validated using simple molecular biology techniques as the markers used to specify cell clusters in scRNA seq is too specific which was not the case for the design of flow panel in this work. Our major purpose of using cell percentages was to show the flavor-specific changes in generalized cell populations in mouse lungs. So, we have still included these graphs in the revised manuscript.
Figure 2D could be better illustrated with a volcano plot to show which genes are being dysregulated rather than just how many. Knowing which genes are affected is more valuable than knowing just the number of genes.
Figure 2D is no longer a part of the revised manuscript. For the other comparisons we have still used heatmaps as they also depict sex-specific changes in gene expressions, which would have been difficult to elucidate using volcano plots.
Assuming Figure 3C is representative of all conditions, then Figures 3C and D demonstrate that Ly6G- neutrophils are present in all conditions including controls. To see whether they are truly present in different abundances between treatment and control groups, separate UMAPs of the neutrophil subsets should be made per condition or use a dot plot for Figure 3A. This also applies to Figure 3B.
We thank the reviewers for pointing this out. We have now revamped the whole manuscript and used additional validation experiments to show the presence of Ly6G- and Ly6G+ neutrophil population upon exposure to tobacco-flavored e-cig aerosols.
Figure 3E shows that there is no statistically significant change in % of Ly6G+ neutrophils across treatment groups, but the text claims that there is "an increase in the levels of Ly6G+ neutrophils in lung digests from mouse lungs exposed to tobacco-flavored e-cig aerosols" (lines 207-209). The text also claims that "The observed increase was more pronounced in males as compared to females" (lines 209-210), but there was no statistical analysis across sexes to support this statement. It is clear that the change in % of Ly6G+ neutrophils is more pronounced in males than females, but it is still not statistically significant. This figure should also be repeated for analysis of Ly6G- neutrophils. Lines 272-274 mention that the % increase is higher for Ly6G- neutrophils than for Ly6G+ neutrophils, but there is not an analogous histogram to demonstrate this. The claims made in lines 275-280 are not clearly shown in any figure.
We thank the reviewer for this query. This was an error on our part. We have now added sex-specific changes using scRNA seq, flow cytometry and co-immunofluorescence-based experiments to prove that more pronounces changes in the Ly6G+ and Ly6G- neutrophil population occurs in female mice and not males.
Figures 4 and 6 have an overwhelming amount of heatmaps. Volcano plots with downstream analyses could be used to make some of this data more legible. The main findings should be validated in vivo/in tissue.
We have now revamped the figures and data distribution to make the data legible and remove overwhelming amount of data from the slides.
For Figure 5, show cell type by condition and do differential gene expression analysis displayed in a volcano plot. Then, stain tissue to validate the findings. Compare across sex during statistical analysis.
The necessary changes have been made.
Figure 6 error: panels E and F should be labeled as "tobacco" rather than "fruit".
Error has now been fixed.
Figure 7C can be placed in the supplemental materials.
It has now been included in supplemental materials.
The Figure 6E title should have been tobacco instead of fruit.
This error has now been fixed.
Line 381 mentioned the wrong subfigure. (Figure 7B instead of 7E).
We have now made the necessary edits.
Reviewer #1 (Public review):
Summary:
The authors assess the impact of E-cigarette smoke exposure on mouse lungs using single cell RNA sequencing. Air was used as control and several flavors (fruit, menthol, tobacco) were tested. Differentially expressed genes (DEGs) were identified for each group and compared against the air control. Changes in gene expression in either myeloid or lymphoid cells were identified for each flavor and the results varied by sex. The scRNAseq dataset will be of interest to the lung immunity and e-cig research communities and some of the observed effects could be important. Unfortunately, the revision did not address the reviewers' main concerns about low replicate numbers and lack of validations. The study remains preliminary and no solid conclusions could be drawn about the effects of E-cig exposure as a whole or any flavor-specific phenotypes.
Strengths:
The study is the first to use scRNAseq to systematically analyze the impact of e-cigarettes on the lung. The dataset will be of broad interest.
Weaknesses:
scRNAseq studies may have low replicate numbers due to the high cost of studies but at least 2 or 3 biological replicates for each experimental group is required to ensure rigor of the interpretation. This study had only N=1 per sex per group and some sex-dependent effects were observed. This could have been remedied by validating key observations from the study using traditional methods such as flow cytometry and qPCR, but the limited number of validation experiments did not support the conclusions of the scRNAseq analysis. An important control group (PG:VG) had extremely low cell numbers and was basically not useful. Statistical analysis is lacking in almost all figures. Overall, this is a preliminary study with some potentially interesting observations but no solid conclusions can be made from the data presented.
(1) The only new validation experiment is the immunofluorescent staining of neutrophils in Figure 4. The images are very low resolution and low quality and it is not clear which cells are neutrophils. S100A8 (calprotectin) is highly abundant in neutrophils but not strictly neutrophil-specific. It's hard to distinguish positive cells from autofluorescence in both Ly6g and S100a8 channels. No statistical analysis in the quantification.
(2) It is unclear what the meaning of Fig. 3A and B is, since these numbers only reflect the number of cells captured in the scRNAseq experiment and are not biologically meaningful. Flow cytometry quantification is presented as cell counts, but the percentage of cells from the CD45+ gate should be shown. No statistical analysis is shown, and flow cytometry results do not support the conclusions of scRNAseq data.
Author response:
The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.
Reviewer #1 (Public review):
Summary:
The authors revealed the cellular heterogeneity of companion cells (CCs) and demonstrated that the florigen gene FT is highly expressed in a specific subpopulation of these CCs in Arabidopsis. Through a thorough characterization of this subpopulation, they further identified NITRATE-INDUCIBLE GARP-TYPE TRANSCRIPTIONAL REPRESSOR 1 (NIGT1)-like transcription factors as potential new regulators of FT. Overall, these findings are intriguing and valuable, contributing significantly to our understanding of florigen and the photoperiodic flowering pathway. However, there is still room for improvement in the quality of the data and the depth of the analysis. I have several comments that may be beneficial for the authors.
Strengths:
The usage of snRNA-seq to characterize the FT-expressing companion cells (CCs) is very interesting and important. Two findings are novel: 1) Expression of FT in CCs is not uniform. Only a subcluster of CCs exhibits high expression level of FT. 2) Based on consensus binding motifs enriched in this subcluster, they further identify NITRATE-INDUCIBLE GARP-TYPE TRANSCRIPTIONAL REPRESSOR 1 (NIGT1)-like transcription factors as potential new regulators of FT.
We are pleased to hear that reviewer 1 noted the novelty and importance of our work. As reviewer 1 mentioned, we are also excited about the identification of a subcluster of companion cells with very high FT expression. We believe that this work is an initial step to describe the molecular characteristics of these FT-expressing cells. We are also excited to share our new findings on NIGT1s as potential FT regulators. We believe this finding will attract a broader audience, as the molecular factor coordinating plant nutrition status with flowering time remains largely unknown despite its well-known phenomenon.
Weaknesses:
(1) Title: "A florigen-expressing subpopulation of companion cells". It is a bit misleading. The conclusion here is that only a subset of companion cells exhibit high expression of FT, but this does not imply that other companion cells do not express it at all.
We agree with this comment, as it was not our intention to sound like that FT is not produced in other companion cells than the subpopulation we identified. We revised the title to more accurately reflect the point. The new title is “Companion cells with high florigen production express other small proteins and reveal a nitrogen-sensitive FT repressor.”
(2) Data quality: Authors opted for fluorescence-activated nuclei sorting (FANS) instead of traditional cell sorting method. What is the rationale behind this decision? Readers may wonder, especially given that RNA abundance in single nuclei is generally lower than that in single cells. This concern also applies to snRNA-seq data. Specifically, the number of genes captured was quite low, with a median of only 149 genes per nucleus. Additionally, the total number of nuclei analyzed was limited (1,173 for the pFT:NTF and 3,650 for the pSUC2:NTF). These factors suggest that the quality of the snRNA-seq data presented in this study is quite low. In this context, it becomes challenging for the reviewer to accurately assess whether this will impact the subsequent conclusions of the paper. Would it be possible to repeat this experiment and get more nuclei?
We appreciate this comment; we noticed that we did not clearly explain the rationale for using single-nucleus RNA sequencing (snRNA-seq) instead of single-cell RNA-seq (scRNA-seq). As reviewer 1 mentioned, RNA abundance in scRNA-seq is higher than in snRNA-seq. To conduct scRNA-seq using plant cells, protoplasting is the necessary step. However, in our study, protoplasting has many drawbacks in isolating our target cells from the phloem. First, it is technically challenging to efficiently isolate protoplasts from highly embedded phloem companion cells from plant tissues. Typically, at least several hours of enzymatic incubation are required to obtain protoplasts from companion cells (often using semi-isolated vasculatures), and the efficiency of protoplasting vasculature cells remains low. Secondly, for our analysis, restoring the time information within a day is also crucial. Therefore, we employed a more rapid isolation method. In the revision, we will explain our rationale for choosing snRNA-seq due to the technical limitations. In the revised manuscripts, we added four new sentences in the Introduction section to clearly explain these points.
Reviewer 1 also raised a concern about the quality of our snRNA-seq data, referring to the relatively low readcounts per nucleus. Although we believe that shallow reads do not necessarily indicate low quality and are confident in the accuracy of our snRNA-seq data, as supported by the detailed follow-up experiments (e.g., imaging analysis in Fig. 4B), we agree that it is important to address this point in the revision and alleviate readers’ concerns regarding the data quality.
We believe the primary reason for the low readcounts per cell is the small amount of RNA present in each Arabidopsis vascular cell nucleus that we isolated. For bulk nuclei RNAseq, we collected 15,000 nuclei. However, the total RNA amount was approximately 3 ng. It indicates that each nucleus isolated contains a very limited amount of RNA (by the simple calculation, 3,000 pg / 15,000 nuclei = 0.2 pg/nucleus). It appears that the size of cells and nuclei was still small in 2-week-old seedlings; thus, each nucleus may contain lower levels of RNA. During the optimization process, we also tried to fix the tissues that we hoped to restore nuclear retained RNA, but unfortunately, in our hands, we encountered the technical issue of nuclei aggregation that hindered the sorting process, which is not suitable for single-nucleus RNA-seq.
Reviewer 1 suggested that we repeat the same snRNA-seq experiment. We agree that having more cells increases the reliability of data. However, to our knowledge, higher cell numbers enhance the confidence of clustering, but not readcounts per cell. In our snRNAseq data, our target, FT-expressing cells, were observed in cluster 7, which projected at an obvious distance from other cell clusters. Therefore, we think that having more nuclei does not significantly help in separating high FT-expressing cluster 7 cells and different types of cells, although we may obtain more DEGs from the cluster 7 cells. Considering the costs and time required for additional snRNA-seq experiments, we think that adding more followup molecular biology experiment data would be more practical. We clearly stated the limitations of our approach in the Discussion section. “A drawback of our snRNA-seq analysis was shallow reads per nucleus. It appears mainly due to the low abundance of mRNA in nuclei from 2-week-old leaves. Based on our calculation, the average mRNA level per nucleus is approximately 0.2 pg (3,000 pg mRNA from 15,000 sorted nuclei). Future technological advance is needed to improve the data quality“
In this revised version of the manuscript, we silenced FT gene expression using an amiRNA against FT driven by tissue-specific promoters [pROXY10, cluster 7; pSUC2, companion cells; pPIP2.6, cluster 4 (for the spatial expression pattern of PIP2.6, please see the new data shown in Fig. S8F); pGC1, guard cells]. Given that both FT and ROXY10 were highly expressed in cluster 7 of our snRNA-seq dataset, we anticipated the late flowering phenotype of pROXY10:amiRNA-ft. As we expected, pROXY10:amiR-ft but not pPIP2.6:amiR-ft lines showed delayed flowering phenotypes (Fig. S14A), supporting the validity of our snRNA-seq approach. We are also now more confident in the resolution of our snRNA-seq analysis, since cluster 4-specific PIP2.6 did not cause late flowering despite its higher basal expression than ROXY10 (Fig. S14B).
(3) Another disappointment is that the authors did not utilize reporter genes to identify the specific locations of the FT-high expressing cells (cluster 7 cells) within the CC population in vivo. Are there any discernible patterns that can be observed?
In the original manuscript, as we showed only limited spatial images of overlap between FT and other cluster 7 genes in Fig. 4B, this comment is totally understandable. To respond to it, we added whole leaf images showing the spatial expression of FT and other cluster 7 genes (Fig. S12). These data indicate that cluster 7 genes including FT are expressed highly in minor veins in the distal part of the leaf but weakly in the main vein. We also added enlarged images of spatial expression of FT and cluster 7 genes (FLP1 and ROXY10) to note that those genes do not overlap completely (Fig. S13).
In contrast to cluster 7 genes, genes highly expressed in cluster 4, such as LTP1 and MLP28, are reportedly highly expressed in the main leaf vein. To further confirm it, we established a transgenic line that expresses a GFP-fusion protein controlled by the promoter of a cluster 4-specific gene PIP2.6 (Fig. S8F). It also showed strong GFP signals in the main vein, consistent with previous observations of LTP1 and MLP28. In summary, FT-expressing cells (cluster 7 cells) are enriched in companion cells in the minor vein, and their expression patterns show a clear distinction from genes expressed in the main vein (e.g., cluster 4-specific genes).
(4) The final disappointment is that the authors only compared FT expression between the nigtQ mutants and the wild type. Does this imply that the mutant does not have a flowering time defect particularly under high nitrogen conditions?
We agree with reviewer 1 that more experiments are required to conclude the role of NIGT1 on FT regulation, in addition to our Y1H data, flowering time data of NIGT1 overexpressors, and FT expression in NIGT1 overexpressors and nigtQ mutant.
First, to test the direct regulation of NIGT1s on FT transcription, we conducted a transient luciferase (LUC) assay in tobacco leaves using effectors (p35S:NIGT1.2, p35S:NIGT1.4, and p35S:GFP) and reporters [pFT:LUC (FT promoter fused with LUC) and pFTm:LUC (the same FT promoter with mutations in NIGT1-binding sites fused with LUC)]. Our result showed that NIGT1.2 and NIGT1.4, but not GFP, decreased the activity of pFT:LUC but not pFTm:LUC (Fig. 5C). This indicates that NIGT1s directly repress the FT gene.
Second, to address reviewer 1’s suggestion about the effect of of nigtQ mutation on flowering time, we have grown WT and nigtQ plants on 20 mM and 2 mM NH<sub>4</sub>NO<sub>3</sub>. Under 20 mM NH<sub>4</sub>NO<sub>3</sub>, the nigtQ line bolted at earlier days than WT; under 2 mM NH<sub>4</sub>NO<sub>3</sub>, nigtQ and WT bolted at almost same timing (Fig. S17D and E). This result suggests that the nigtQ mutation affects flowering timing depending on nitrogen nutrient status. However, leaf numbers of bolted plants were not different between WT and nigtQ lines (Fig. S17E). Therefore, it appears that nigtQ mutation also accelerated overall growth of plants rather than flowering promotion. We also have measured flowering time by counting leaf numbers of the nigtQ and WT plants at bolting on nitrogen-rich soil. The mutant generated slightly more leaves than WT when they flowered (Fig. S17G). These results suggest that the NIGT-derived fine-tuning of FT regulation is conditional on higher nitrogen conditions.
Minor:
(1) Abstract: "Our bulk nuclei RNA-seq demonstrated that FT-expressing cells in cotyledons and in true leaves differed transcriptionally.". This sentence is not informative. What exactly is the difference in FT-expressing cells between cotyledons and true leaves?
We modified the sentence to clarify the differences between cotyledons and true leaves. “Our bulk nuclei RNA-seq demonstrated that FT-expressing cells in cotyledons and true leaves showed differences especially in FT repressor genes.”
(2) As a standard practice, to support the direct regulation of FT by NIGT1, the authors should provide EMSA and ChIP-seq data. Ideally, they should also generate promoter constructs with deletions or mutations in the NIGT1 binding sites.
To test direct interaction of NIGT1 to the FT promoter sequences, we performed the transient reporter assay using FT promoter driven luciferase reporter (Fig. 5C). NIGT1.2 and NIGT1.4 repressed the FT promoter activity; however, with NIGT1 binding site mutations, this repression was not observed, indicating that NIGT1 binds to the ciselements in the FT promoter to repress its transcription.
(3) Sorting: Did the authors fix the samples before preparing the nuclei suspension? If not, could this be the reason the authors observed the JA-responsive clusters (Fig. 2J)? Please provide more details related to nuclei sorting in the Methods section.
We added a new subsection in the Materials and Methods section to explain a detail of the nuclei sorting procedure. We did not include a sample fixation step. We have tried formaldehyde fixation; however, it clumped nuclei, which was not suitable for snRNA-seq. Moreover, fixation steps generally reduce readcounts of single-cell RNA-seq according to the 10X Genomics’ guideline.
We agree that JA responses were triggered during the FANS nuclei isolation. Therefore, we added the following sentence. “Since our FANS protocol did not include a sample fixation step to avoid clumping, these cells likely triggered wounding responses during the chopping and sorting process (Fig. S1B).
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
This manuscript submitted by Takagi et al. details the molecular characterization of the FTexpressing cell at a single-cell level. The authors examined what genes are expressed specifically in FT-expressing cells and other phloem companion cells by exploiting bulk nuclei and single-nuclei RNA-seq and transgenic analysis. The authors found the unique expression profile of FT-expressing cells at a single-cell level and identified new transcriptional repressors of FT such as NIGT1.2 and NIGT1.4.
Although previous researchers have known that FT is expressed in phloem companion cells, they have tended to neglect the molecular characterization of the FT-expressing phloem companion cells. To understand how FT, which is expressed in tiny amounts in phloem companion cells that make up a very small portion of the leaf, can be a key molecule in the regulation of the critical developmental step of floral transition, it is important to understand the molecular features of FT-expressing cells in detail. In this regard, this manuscript provides insight into the understanding of detailed molecular characteristics of the FT-expressing cell. This endeavor will contribute to the research field of flowering time.
We are grateful that reviewer 2 recognizes the importance of transcriptome profiling of FTexpressing cells at the single-cell level.
Here are my comments on how to improve this manuscript.
(1) The most noble finding of this manuscript is the identification of NTGI1.2 as the upstream regulator of FT-expressing cluster 7 gene expression. The flowering phenotypes of the nigtQ mutant and the transgenic plants in which NIGT1.2 was expressed under the SUC2 gene promoter support that NIGT1.2 functions as a floral repressor upstream of the FT gene. Nevertheless, the expression patterns of NIGT1.2 genes do not appear to have much overlap with those of NIGT1.2-downstream genes in the cluster 7 (Figs S14 and F3). An explanation for this should be provided in the discussion section.
We agree with reviewer 2 that the spatial expression patterns of NIGT1.2 and cluster 7 genes do not overlap much, and some discussion should be provided in the manuscript. Although we do not have a concrete answer for this phenomenon, we obtained the new data showing that NIGT1.2 and NIGT1.4 directly repress the FT gene in planta (Fig. 5C). As NIGT1.2/1.4 are negative regulators of FT, it is plausible that NIGT1.2/1.4 may suppress FT gene expression in non-cluster 7 cells to prevent the misexpression of FT. We added this point in the Results section.
(2) To investigate gene expression in the nuclei of specific cell populations, the authors generated transgenic plants expressing a fusion gene encoding a Nuclear Targeting Fusion protein (NTF) under the control of various cell type-specific promoters. Since the public audience would not know about NTF without reading reference 16, some explanation of NTF is necessary in the manuscript. Please provide a schematic of constructs the authors used to make the transformants.
As reviewer 2 pointed out, we lacked a clear explanation of why we used NTF in this study. NTF is the fusion protein that consists of a nuclear envelope targeting WPP domain, GFP, and a biotin acceptor peptide. It was initially designed for the INTACT (isolation of nuclei tagged in specific cell types) method, which enables us to isolate bulk nuclei from specific tissues. Although our original intention was to profile the bulk transcriptome of mRNAs that exist in nuclei of the FT-expressing cells using INTACT, we utilized our NTF transgenic lines for snRNA-seq analysis. To explain what NTF is to readers, we included a schematic diagram of NTF (Fig. S1A) and more explanation about NTF in the Results section.
Again, we appreciate all reviewers’ careful and constructive comments. With these changes, we hope our revised manuscript is now satisfactory.
Author response:
The following is the authors’ response to the previous reviews
Reviewer #1 (Public review):
Summary:
The study by Klug et al. investigated the pathway specificity of corticostriatal projections, focusing on two cortical regions. Using a G-deleted rabies system in D1-Cre and A2a-Cre mice to retrogradely deliver channelrhodopsin to cortical inputs, the authors found that M1 and MCC inputs to direct and indirect pathway spiny projection neurons (SPNs) are both partially segregated and asymmetrically overlapping. In general, corticostriatal inputs that target indirect pathway SPNs are likely to also target direct pathway SPNs, while inputs targeting direct pathway SPNs are less likely to also target indirect pathway SPNs. Such asymmetric overlap of corticostriatal inputs has important implications for how the cortex itself may determine striatal output. Indeed, the authors provide behavioral evidence that optogenetic activation of M1 or MCC cortical neurons that send axons to either direct or indirect pathway SPNs can have opposite effects on locomotion and different effects on action sequence execution. The conclusions of this study add to our understanding of how cortical activity may influence striatal output and offer important new clues about basal ganglia function.
The conceptual conclusions of the manuscript are supported by the data, but the details of the magnitude of afferent overlap and causal role of asymmetric corticostriatal inputs on some behavioral outcomes may be a bit overstated given technical limitations of the experiments.
For example, after virally labeling either direct pathway (D1) or indirect pathway (D2) SPNs to optogenetically tag pathway-specific cortical inputs, the authors report that a much larger number of "non-starter" D2-SPNs from D2-SPN labeled mice responded to optogenetic stimulation in slices than "non-starter" D1 SPNs from D1-SPN labeled mice did. Without knowing the relative number of D1 or D2 SPN starters used to label cortical inputs, it is difficult to interpret the exact meaning of the lower number of responsive D2-SPNs in D1 labeled mice (where only ~63% of D1-SPNs themselves respond) compared to the relatively higher number of responsive D1-SPNs (and D2-SPNs) in D2 labeled mice. While relative differences in connectivity certainly suggest that some amount of asymmetric overlap of inputs exists, differences in infection efficiency and ensuing differences in detection sensitivity in slice experiments make determining the degree of asymmetry problematic.
It is also unclear if retrograde labeling of D1-SPN- vs D2-SPN- targeting afferents labels the same densities of cortical neurons. This gets to the point of specificity in some of the behavioral experiments. If the target-based labeling strategies used to introduce channelrhodopsin into specific SPN afferents label significantly different numbers of cortical neurons, might the difference in the relative numbers of optogenetically activated cortical neurons itself lead to behavioral differences?
We thank the reviewer for the comments and for raising additional interpretations of our results. We agree that determining the relative number of D1- versus D2-SPN starter cells would allow a more accurate estimate of connectivity. However, due to current technical limitations, achieving this level of precision remains challenging. As the reviewer also noted, differences in the number of cortical neurons targeting D1- versus D2-SPNs could introduce additional complexity to the functional effects observed in the behavioral experiments. Moreover, functional heterogeneity is likely to exist not only among cortical neurons projecting to striatal D1- or D2-SPNs, but also within the striatal D1- and D2-SPN populations themselves. Addressing these questions at the single-neuron level will require more refined viral tools in combination with improved recording and manipulation techniques. Despite these limitations, our results suggest that a subpopulation of cortical neurons selectively targets striatal D1-SPNs, supporting a functional dichotomy of pathway-specific corticostriatal subcircuits in the control of behavior.
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
Summary:
Klug et al. use monosynaptic rabies tracing of inputs to D1- vs D2-SPNs in the striatum to study how separate populations of cortical neurons project to D1- and D2-SPNs. They use rabies to express ChR2, then patch D1-or D2-SPNs to measure synaptic input. They report that cortical neurons labeled as D1-SPN-projecting preferentially project to D1-SPNs over D2-SPNs. In contrast, cortical neurons labeled as D2-SPN-projecting project equally to D1- and D2-SPNs. They go on to conduct pathway-specific behavioral stimulation experiments. They compare direct optogenetic stimulation of D1- or D2-SPNs to stimulation of MCC inputs to DMS and M1 inputs to DLS. In three different behavioral assays (open field, intra-cranial self-stimulation, and a fixed ratio 8 task), they show that stimulating MCC or M1 cortical inputs to D1-SPNs is similar to D1-SPN stimulation, but that stimulating MCC or M1 cortical inputs to D2-SPNs does not recapitulate the effects of D2-SPN stimulation (presumably because both D1- and D2-SPNs are being activated by these cortical inputs).
Strengths:
Showing these same effects in three distinct behaviors is strong. Overall, the functional verification of the consequences of the anatomy is very nice to see. It is a good choice to patch only from mCherry-negative non-starter cells in the striatum. This study adds to our understanding of the logic of corticostriatal connections, suggesting a previously unappreciated structure.
Weaknesses:
One limitation is that all inputs to SPNs are expressing ChR2, so they cannot distinguish between different cortical subregions during patching experiments. Their results could arise because the same innervation patterns are repeated in many cortical subregions or because some subregions have preferential D1-SPN input while others do not.
Thank you for raising this thoughtful concern. It is indeed not feasible to restrict ChR2 expression to a specific cortical region using the first-generation rabies-ChR2 system alone. A more refined approach would involve injecting Cre-dependent TVA and RG into the striatum of D1- or A2A-Cre mice, followed by rabies-Flp infection. Subsequently, a Flp-dependent ChR2 virus could be injected into the MCC or M1 to selectively label D1- or D2-projecting cortical neurons. This strategy would allow for more precise targeting and address many of the current limitations.
However, a significant challenge lies in the cytotoxicity associated with rabies virus infection. Neuronal health begins to deteriorate substantially around 10 days post-infection, which provides an insufficient window for robust Flp-dependent ChR2 expression. We have tested several new rabies virus variants with extended survival times (Chatterjee et al., 2018; Jin et al., 2024), but unfortunately, they did not perform effectively or suitably in the corticostriatal systems we examined.
In our experimental design, the aim is to delineate the connectivity probabilities to D1 or D2-SPNs from cortical neurons. Our hypothesis considered includes the possibility that similar innervation patterns could occur across multiple cortical subregions, or that some subregions might show preferential input to D1-SPNs while others do not, or a combination of both scenarios. This leads us to perform a series behavior test that using optogenetic activation of the D1- or D2-projecting cortical populations to see which could be the case.
In the cortical areas we examined, MCC and M1, during behavioral testing, there is consistency with our electrophysiological results. Specifically, when we stimulated the D1-projecting cortical neurons either in MCC or in M1, mice exhibited facilitated local motion in open field test, which is the same to the activation of D1 SPNs in the striatum along (MCC: Fig 3C & D vs. I; M1: Fig 3F & G vs. L). Conversely, stimulation of D2-projecting MCC or M1 cortical neurons resulted in behavioral effects that appeared to combine characteristics of both D1- and D2-SPNs activation in the striatum (MCC: Fig 3C & D vs. J; M1: Fig 3F & G vs. M). The similar results were observed in the ICSS test. Our interpretation of these results is that the activation of D1-projecting neurons in the cortex induces behavior changes akin to D1 neuron activation, while activation of D2-projecting neurons in the cortex leads to a combined effect of both D1 and D2 neuron activation. This suggests that at least some cortical regions, the ones we tested, follow the hypothesis we proposed.
There are also some caveats with respect to the efficacy of rabies tracing. Although they only patch non-starter cells in the striatum, only 63% of D1-SPNs receive input from D1-SPN-projecting cortical neurons. It's hard to say whether this is "high" or "low," but one question is how far from the starter cell region they are patching. Without this spatial indication of where the cells that are being patched are relative to the starter population, it is difficult to interpret if the cells being patched are receiving cortical inputs from the same neurons that are projecting to the starter population. The authors indicate they are patching from mCherry-negative neurons within the region of the mCherry-positive neurons, but since the mCherry population will include both true starter cells and monosynaptically connected cells, this is not perfectly precise. Convergence of cortical inputs onto SPNs may vary with distance from the starter cell region quite dramatically, as other mapping studies of corticostriatal inputs have shown specialized local input regions can be defined based on cortical input patterns (Hintiryan et al., Nat Neurosci, 2016, Hunnicutt et al., eLife 2016, Peters et al., Nature, 2021).
This is a valid concern regarding anatomical studies. Investigating cortico-striatal connectivity at the single-cell level remains technically challenging due to current methodological limitations. At present, we rely on rabies virus-mediated trans-synaptic retrograde tracing to identify D1- or D2-projecting cortical populations. This anatomical approach is coupled with ex vivo slice electrophysiology to assess the functional connectivity between these projection-defined cortical neurons and striatal SPNs. This enables us to quantify connection ratios, for example, the proportion of D1-projecting cortical neurons that functionally synapse onto non-starter D1-SPNs.
To ensure the robustness of our conclusions, it is essential that both the starter cells and the recorded non-starter SPNs receive comparable topographical input from the cortex and other brain regions. Therefore, we carefully designed our experiments so that all recorded cells were located within the injection site, were mCherry-negative (i.e., non-starter cells), and were surrounded by ChR2-mCherry-positive neurons. This configuration ensured that the distance between recorded and starter cells did not exceed 100 µm, maintaining close anatomical proximity and thereby preserving the likelihood of shared cortical innervation within the examined circuitry.
These methodological details are also described in the section on ex vivo brain slice electrophysiology, specifically in the Methods section, lines 453–459:
“D1-SPNs (eGFP-positive in D1-eGFP mice, or eGFP-negative in D2-eGFP mice) or D2-SPNs (eGFP-positive in D2-eGFP mice, or eGFP-negative in D1-eGFP mice) that were ChR2-mCherry-negative, but in the injection site and surrounded by cells expressing ChR2-mCherry were targeted for recording. This configuration ensured that the distance between recorded and starter cells did not exceed 100 µm, maintaining close anatomical proximity and thereby preserving the likelihood of shared cortical innervation within the examined circuitry.”
This experimental strategy was implemented to control for potential spatial biases and to enhance the interpretability of our connectivity measurements.
A caveat for the optogenetic behavioral experiments is that these optogenetic experiments did not include fluorophore-only controls, although a different control (with light delivered in M1) is provided in Supplementary Figure 3. Another point of confusion is that other studies (Cui et al, J Neurosci, 2021) have reported that stimulation of D1-SPNs in DLS inhibits rather than promotes movement. This study may have given different results due to subtly different experimental parameters, including fiber optic placement and NA.
We appreciate the reviewer’s thoughtful evaluation and comments. We have added a short discussion of Cui et al.’s study on optogenetic stimulation of D1-SPNs in the DLS (lines 341-343), which reports findings that contrast with ours and those of other studies.
Reviewer #3 (Public review):
Review of resubmission: The authors provided a response to the reviews from myself and other reviewers. While some points were made satisfactorily, particularly in clarification of the innervation of cortex to striatum and the effects of input stimulation, many of my points remain unaddressed. In several cases, the authors chose to explain their rationale rather than address the issues at hand. A number of these issues (in fact, the majority) could be addressed simply by toning done the confidence in conclusions, so it was disappointing to see that the authors by and large did not do this. I repeat my concerns below and note whether I find them to have been satisfactorily addressed or not.
In the manuscript by Klug and colleagues, the investigators use a rabies virus-based methodology to explore potential differences in connectivity from cortical inputs to the dorsal striatum. They report that the connectivity from cortical inputs onto D1 and D2 MSNs differs in terms of their projections onto the opposing cell type, and use these data to infer that there are differences in cross-talk between cortical cells that project to D1 vs. D2 MSNs. Overall, this manuscript adds to the overall body of work indicating that there are differential functions of different striatal pathways which likely arise at least in part by differences in connectivity that have been difficult to resolve due to difficulty in isolating pathways within striatal connectivity, and several interesting and provocative observations were reported. Several different methodologies are used, with partially convergent results, to support their main points.
However, I have significant technical concerns about the manuscript as presented that make it difficult for me to interpret the results of the experiments. My comments are below.
Major:
There is generally a large caveat to the rabies studies performed here, which is that both TVA and the ChR2-expressing rabies virus have the same fluorophore. It is thus essentially impossible to determine how many starter cells there are, what the efficiency of tracing is, and which part of the striatum is being sampled in any given experiment. This is a major caveat given the spatial topography of the cortico-striatal projections. Furthermore, the authors make a point in the introduction about previous studies not having explored absolute numbers of inputs, yet this is not at all controlled in this study. It could be that their rabies virus simply replicates better in D1-MSNs than D2-MSNs. No quantifications are done, and these possibilities do not appear to have been considered. Without a greater standardization of the rabies experiments across conditions, it is difficult to interpret the results.
This is still an issue. The authors point out why they chose various vectors. I can understand why the authors chose the fluorophores etc. that they did, yet the issues I raised previously are still valid. The discussion should mention that this is a potential issue. It does not necessarily invalidate results, but it is an issue. Furthermore, it is possible (in all systems) that rabies replicates better/more efficiently in some cells than others. This is one possible interpretation that has not really been explored in any study. I don't suggest the authors attempt to do that, but it should be raised as a potential interpretation. If the rabies results could mean several different things, the authors owe it to the readership to state all possible interpretations of data.
We thank the reviewer for the comments and suggestions. Because the same fluorophore (mCherry) was used in both TVA- and ChR2-expressing viruses, it was not possible to distinguish true starter SPNs from TVA-only SPNs or monosynaptically labeled SPNs. This limitation makes it difficult to precisely assess the efficiency of rabies labeling and retrograde tracing in our experimental setup. Moreover, differences in rabies replication efficiency between D1- and D2-SPNs could potentially lead to an apparent lower connection probability from D1-projecting cortical neurons to D2-SPNs than from D2-projecting cortical neurons to D1-SPNs. We have added this clarification to the Discussion (lines 280-297).
The authors claim using a few current clamp optical stimulation experiments that the cortical cells are healthy, but this result was far from comprehensive. For example, membrane resistance, capacitance, general excitability curves, etc are not reported. In Figure S2, some of the conditions look quite different (e.g., S2B, input D2-record D2, the method used yields quite different results that the authors write off as not different). Furthermore, these experiments do not consider the likely sickness and death that occurs in starter cells, as has been reported elsewhere. Health of cells in the circuit is overall a substantial concern that alone could invalidate a large portion, if not all, of the behavioral results. This is a major confound given those neurons are thought to play critical roles in the behaviors being studied. This is a major reason why first-generation rabies viruses have not been used in combination with behavior, but this significant caveat does not appear to have been considered, and controls e.g., uninfected animals, infected with AAV helpers, etc, were not included.
This issue remains unaddressed. I did not request clarity about experimental design, but rather, raised issues about the potential effects of toxicity. I believe this to be a valid concern that needs to be discussed in the manuscript, especially given what look visually like potential differences in S2.
We understand and appreciate the reviewer’s concern regarding the potential cytotoxicity of rabies virus infection. Although we performed the in vivo optogenetic behavioral experiments during a period when rabies-infected cells are generally considered relatively healthy, some deficits in starter cells may still occur and could contribute to the observed effects of optogenetic cortical stimulation. We have added this clarification to the Discussion (lines 298-306).
The overall purity (e.g., EnvA pseudotyping efficiency) of the RABV prep is not shown. If there was a virus that was not well EnvA-pseudotyped and thus could directly infect cortical (or other) inputs, it would degrade specificity. This issue has not been addressed. Viral strain is irrelevant. The quality of the specific preparations used is what matters.
While most of the study focuses on the cortical inputs, in slice recordings, inputs from the thalamus are not considered, yet likely contribute to the observed results. Related to this, in in vivo optogenetic experiments, technically, if the thalamic or other inputs to the dorsal striatum project to the cortex, their method will not only target cortical neurons but also terminals of other excitatory inputs. If this cannot be ruled it, stating that the authors are able to selectively activate the cortical inputs to one or the other population should be toned down.
The authors added text to the discussion to address this point. While it largely does what is intended, based on the one study cited, I disagree with the authors' conclusions that it is "clear" that potential contamination from other sites does not play a role. The simplest interpretation is the one the authors state, and there is some supporting evidence to back up that assertion, but to me that falls short of making the point "clear" that there are no other interpretations.
The statements about specificity of connectivity are not well founded. It may be that in the specific case where they are assessing outside of the area of injections, their conclusions may hold (e.g., excitatory inputs onto D2s have more inputs onto D1s than vice versa). However, how this relates to the actual site of injection is not clear. At face value, if such a connectivity exists, it would suggest that D1-MSNs receive substantially more overall excitatory inputs than D2s. It is thus possible that this observation would not hold over other spatial intervals. This was not explored and thus the conclusions are over-generalized. e.g., the distance from the area of red cells in the striatum to recordings was not quantified, what constituted a high level of cortical labeling was not quantified, etc. Without more rigorous quantification of what was being done, it is difficult to interpret the results.
Again, the goal here would be to make a statement about this in the discussion to clarify limitations of the study. I don't expect the authors to re-do all of these experiments, but since they are discussing the corticostriatal circuits, which have multiple subdomains, this remains a relevant point. It has not been addressed.
The results in Figure 3 are not well controlled. The authors show contrasting effects of optogenetic stimulation of D1-MSNs and D2-MSNs in the DMS and DLS, results which are largely consistent with the canon of basal ganglia function. However, when stimulating cortical inputs, stimulating the inputs from D1-MSNs gives the expected results (increased locomotion) while stimulating putative inputs to D2-MSNs had no effect. This is not the same as showing a decrease in locomotion - showing no effect here is not possible to interpret.
I think that the caveat of showing no clear effects of inputs to D2 stimulation should be pointed out. Yes, I understand that the viruses appeared to express etc., but again it remains possible that the results are driven by a lack of e.g., sufficient ChR2 expression. Aside from a full quantification of the number of cells expressing ChR2, overlap in fiber placement and ChR2 expression (which I don't suggest), this remains a possibility and should be pointed out, as it remains a possibility.
In the light of their circuit model, the result showing that inputs to D2-MSNs drive ICSS is confusing. How can the authors account for the fact that these cells are not locomotor-activating, stimulation of their putative downstream cells (D2-MSNs) does not drive ICSS, yet the cortical inputs drive ICSS? Is the idea that these inputs somehow also drive D1s? If this is the case, how do D2s get activated, if all of the cortical inputs tested net activate D1s and not D2s? Same with the results in Figure 4 - the inputs and putative downstream cells do not have the same effects. Given potential caveats of differences in viral efficiency, spatial location of injections, and cellular toxicity, I cannot interpret these experiments.
The explanation the authors provide in their rebuttal makes sense, however this should be included in the discussion of the manuscript, as it is interesting and relevant.
We thank the reviewer for the valuable comments and suggestions. In line with the reviewer’s recommendation, we have incorporated these explanations into the Discussion (lines 242–279) to help interpret the complex behavioral outcomes of optogenetic stimulation of cortical neurons projecting to D1- or D2-SPNs.
Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):
I appreciate the authors' responses, which helped clarify some experimental choices. I appreciate that the experiment in Fig S3 serves as a reasonable light control for optogenetics experiments. The careful comparison with methods in Cui et al (2021) is useful, although not added to the main manuscript. Some of the other citations here don't really address the controversy, e.g. Kravitz at al is in DMS, but perhaps fully addressing this issue is outside the scope of the current manuscript and awaits further experiments. I also appreciate the clarification for recording locations that "This configuration ensured that the distance between recorded and starter cells did not exceed 100 µm, maintaining close anatomical proximity and thereby preserving the likelihood of shared cortical innervation within the examined circuitry." However, the statement in the reviewer response does not seem to be added to the manuscript's methods, which I think would be helpful. The criteria for choosing recorded cells are still a bit fuzzy without a map of recording locations and histology. There is also a problem that mCherry-positive cells could be starter cells or could be monosynaptically traced cells, so it is hard to know the area of the starter cell population in these experiments for sure. My evaluation of the manuscript remains largely the same as the original. However, I have adjusted my public review a bit to incorporate the authors' responses. I still think this paper has valuable information, suggesting an interesting and previously unappreciated structure of corticostriatal inputs that I hope this group and others will continue to investigate and incorporate into models of basal ganglia function.
We thank the reviewer for the valuable suggestions. We have now included a comparison with Cui et al. in the Discussion. In addition, we have added the criteria for selecting recorded cells to the Methods section: ‘This configuration ensured that the distance between recorded and starter cells did not exceed 100 µm, maintaining close anatomical proximity and thereby preserving the likelihood of shared cortical innervation within the examined circuitry.’
Author Response:
The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.
Reviewer #1 (Public Review):
Summary:
This paper applies methods for segmentation, annotation, and visualization of acoustic analysis to zebra finch song. The paper shows that these methods can be used to predict the stage of song development and to quantify acoustic similarity. The methods are solid and are likely to provide a useful tool for scientists aiming to label large datasets of zebra finch vocalizations. The paper has two main parts: 1) establishing a pipeline/ package for analyzing zebra finch birdsong and 2) a method for measuring song imitation.
Strengths:
It is useful to see existing methods for syllable segmentation compared to new datasets.
It is useful, but not surprising, that these methods can be used to predict developmental stage, which is strongly associated with syllable temporal structure.
It is useful to confirm that these methods can identify abnormalities in deafened and isolated songs.
Weaknesses:
For the first part, the implementation seems to be a wrapper on existing techniques. For instance, the first section talks about syllable segmentation; they made a comparison between whisperseg (Gu et al, 2024), tweetynet (Cohen et al, 2022), and amplitude thresholding. They found that whisperseg performed the best, and they included it in the pipeline. They then used whisperseg to analyze syllable duration distributions and rhythm of birds of different ages and confirmed past findings on this developmental process (e.g. Aronov et al, 2011). Next, based on the segmentation, they assign labels by performing UMAP and HDBScan on the spectrogram (nothing new; that's what people have been doing). Then, based on the labels, they claimed they developed a 'new' visualization - syntax raster ( line 180 ). That was done by Sainburg et. al. 2020 in Figure 12E and also in Cohen et al, 2020 - so the claim to have developed 'a new song syntax visualization' is confusing. The rest of the paper is about analyzing the finch data based on AVN features (which are essentially acoustic features already in the classic literature).
First, we would like to thank this reviewer for their kind comments and feedback on this manuscript. It is true that many of the components of this song analysis pipeline are not entirely novel in isolation. Our real contribution here is bringing them together in a way that allows other researchers to seamlessly apply automated syllable segmentation, clustering, and downstream analyses to their data. That said, our approach to training TweetyNet for syllable segmentation is novel. We trained TweetyNet to recognize vocalizations vs. silence across multiple birds, such that it can generalize to new individual birds, whereas Tweetynet had only ever been used to annotate song syllables from birds included in its training set previously. Our validation of TweetyNet and WhisperSeg in combination with UMAP and HDBSCAN clustering is also novel, providing valuable information about how these systems interact, and how reliable the completely automatically generated labels are for downstream analysis. We have added a couple sentences to the introduction to emphasize the novelty of this approach and validation.
Our syntax raster visualization does resemble Figure 12E in Sainburg et al. 2020, however it differs in a few important ways, which we believe warrant its consideration as a novel visualization method. First, Sainburg et al. represent the labels across bouts in real time; their position along the x axis reflects the time at which each syllable is produced relative to the start of the bout. By contrast, our visualization considers only the index of syllables within a bout (ie. First syllable vs. second syllable etc) without consideration of the true durations of each syllable or the silent gaps between them. This makes it much easier to detect syntax patterns across bouts, as the added variability of syllable timing is removed. Considering only the sequence of syllables rather than their timing also allows us to more easily align bouts according to the first syllable of a motif, further emphasizing the presence or absence of repeating syllable sequences without interference from the more variable introductory notes at the start of a motif. Finally, instead of plotting all bouts in the order in which they were produced, our visualization orders bouts such that bouts with the same sequence of syllables will be plotted together, which again serves to emphasize the most common syllable sequences that the bird produces. These additional processing steps mean that our syntax raster plot has much starker contrast between birds with stereotyped syntax and birds with more variable syntax, as compared to the more minimally processed visualization in Sainburg et al. 2020. There doesn’t appear to be any similar visualizations in Cohen et al. 2020.
The second part may be something new, but there are opportunities to improve the benchmarking. It is about the pupil-tutor imitation analysis. They introduce a convolutional neural network that takes triplets as an input (each tripled is essentially 3 images stacked together such that you have (anchor, positive, negative), Anchor is a reference spectrogram from, say finch A; positive means a different spectrogram with the same label as anchor from finch A, and negative means a spectrogram not related to A or different syllable label from A. The network is then trained to produce a low-dimensional embedding by ensuring the embedding distance between anchor and positive is less than anchor and negative by a certain margin. Based on the embedding, they then made use of earth mover distance to quantify the similarity in the syllable distribution among finches. They then compared their approach performance with that of sound analysis pro (SAP) and a variant of SAP. A more natural comparison, which they didn't include, is with the VAE approach by Goffinet et al. In this paper (https://doi.org/10.7554/eLife.67855, Fig 7), they also attempted to perform an analysis on the tutor pupil song.
We thank the reviewer for this suggestion. We have included a comparison of our triplet loss embedding model to the VAE model proposed in Goffinet et al. 2021. We also included comparisons of similarity scoring using each of these embedding models combined with either earth mover’s distance (EMD) or maximum mean discrepancy (MMD) to calculate the similarity of the embeddings, as was done in Goffinet et al. 2021. As discussed in the updated results section of the paper and shown in the new Figure 6–figure supplement 1, the Triplet loss model with MMD performs best for evaluating song learning on new birds, not included in model training. We’ve updated the main text of the paper to reflect this switch from EMD to MMD for the primary similarity scoring approach.
Reviewer #2 (Public Review):
Summary:
In this work, the authors present a new Python software package, Avian Vocalization Network (AVN) aimed at facilitating the analysis of birdsong, especially the song of the zebra finch, the most common songbird model in neuroscience. The package handles some of the most common (and some more advanced) song analyses, including segmentation, syllable classification, featurization of song, calculation of tutor-pupil similarity, and age prediction, with a view toward making the entire process friendlier to experimentalists working in the field.
For many years, Sound Analysis Pro has served as a standard in the songbird field, the first package to extensively automate songbird analysis and facilitate the computation of acoustic features that have helped define the field. More recently, the increasing popularity of Python as a language, along with the emergence of new machine learning methods, has resulted in a number of new software tools, including the vocalpy ecosystem for audio processing, TweetyNet (for segmentation), t-SNE and UMAP (for visualization), and autoencoder-based approaches for embedding.
Strengths:
The AVN package overlaps several of these earlier efforts, albeit with a focus on more traditional featurization that many experimentalists may find more interpretable than deep learning-based approaches. Among the strengths of the paper are its clarity in explaining the several analyses it facilitates, along with high-quality experiments across multiple public datasets collected from different research groups. As a software package, it is open source, installable via the pip Python package manager, and features high-quality documentation, as well as tutorials. For experimentalists who wish to replicate any of the analyses from the paper, the package is likely to be a useful time saver.
Weaknesses:
I think the potential limitations of the work are predominantly on the software end, with one or two quibbles about the methods.
First, the software: it's important to note that the package is trying to do many things, of which it is likely to do several well and few comprehensively. Rather than a package that presents a number of new analyses or a new analysis framework, it is more a codification of recipes, some of which are reimplementations of existing work (SAP features), some of which are essentially wrappers around other work (interfacing with WhisperSeg segmentations), and some of which are new (similarity scoring). All of this has value, but in my estimation, it has less value as part of a standalone package and potentially much more as part of an ecosystem like vocalpy that is undergoing continuous development and has long-term support.
We appreciate this reviewer’s comments and concerns about the structure of the AVN package and its long-term maintenance. We have considered incorporating AVN into the VocalPy ecosystem but have chosen not to for a few key reasons. (1) AVN was designed with ease of use for experimenters with limited coding experience top of mind. VocalPy provides excellent resources for researchers with some familiarity with object-oriented programming to manage and analyze their datasets; however, we believe it may be challenging for users without such experience to adopt VocalPy quickly. AVN’s ‘recipe’ approach, as you put it, is very easily accessible to new users, and allows users with intermediate coding experience to easily navigate the source code to gain a deeper understanding of the methodology. AVN also consistently outputs processed data in familiar formats (tables in .csv files which can be opened in excel), in an effort to make it more accessible to new users, something which would be challenging to reconcile with VocalPy’s emphasis on their `dataset`classes. (2) AVN and VocalPy differ in their underlying goals and philosophies when it comes to flexibility vs. standardization of analysis pipelines. VocalPy is designed to facilitate mixing-and-matching of different spectrogram generation, segmentation, annotation etc. approaches, so that researchers can design and implement their own custom analysis pipelines. This flexibility is useful in many cases. For instance, it could allow researchers who have very different noise filtering and annotation needs, like those working with field recordings versus acoustic chamber recordings, to analyze their data using this platform. However, when it comes to comparisons across zebra finch research labs, this flexibility comes at the expense of direct comparison and integration of song features across research groups. This is the context in which AVN is most useful. It presents a single approach to song segmentation, labeling, and featurization that has been shown to generalize well across research groups, and which allows direct comparisons of the resulting features. AVN’s single, extensively validated, standard pipeline approach is fundamentally incompatible with VocalPy’s emphasis on flexibility. We are excited to see how VocalPy continues to evolve in the future, and recognize the value that both AVN and VocalPy bring to the songbird research community, each with their own distinct strengths, weaknesses, and ideal use cases.
While the code is well-documented, including web-based documentation for both the core package and the GUI, the latter is available only on Windows, which might limit the scope of adoption.
We thank the reviewer for their kind words about AVN’s documentation. We recognize that the GUI’s exclusive availability on Windows is a limitation, and we would be happy to collaborate with other researchers and developers in the future to build a Mac compatible version, should the demand present itself. That said, the python package works on all operating systems, so non-Windows users still have the ability to use AVN that way.
That is to say, whether AVN is adopted by the field in the medium term will have much more to do with the quality of its maintenance and responsiveness to users than any particular feature, but I believe that many of the analysis recipes that the authors have carefully worked out may find their way into other code and workflows.
Second, two notes about new analysis approaches:
(1) The authors propose a new means of measuring tutor-pupil similarity based on first learning a latent space of syllables via a self-supervised learning (SSL) scheme and then using the earth mover's distance (EMD) to calculate transport costs between the distributions of tutors' and pupils' syllables. While to my knowledge this exact method has not previously been proposed in birdsong, I suspect it is unlikely to differ substantially from the approach of autoencoding followed by MMD used in the Goffinet et al. paper. That is, SSL, like the autoencoder, is a latent space learning approach, and EMD, like MMD, is an integral probability metric that measures discrepancies between two distributions. (Indeed, the two are very closely related: https://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/400180/earth-movers-distance-andmaximum-mean-discrepency.) Without further experiments, it is hard to tell whether these two approaches differ meaningfully. Likewise, while the authors have trained on a large corpus of syllables to define their latent space in a way that generalizes to new birds, it is unclear why such an approach would not work with other latent space learning methods.
We recognize the similarities between these approaches and have included comparisons of the VAE and MMD as in the Goffinet paper to our triplet loss model and EMD. As discussed in the updated results section of the paper and shown in the new Figure 6–figure supplement 1, the Triplet loss model with MMD performs best for evaluating song learning on new birds, not included in model training. We’ve updated the main text of the paper to reflect this switch from EMD to MMD for the primary similarity scoring approach.
(2) The authors propose a new method for maturity scoring by training a model (a generalized additive model) to predict the age of the bird based on a selected subset of acoustic features. This is distinct from the "predicted age" approach of Brudner, Pearson, and Mooney, which predicts based on a latent representation rather than specific features, and the GAM nicely segregates the contribution of each. As such, this approach may be preferred by many users who appreciate its interpretability.
In summary, my view is that this is a nice paper detailing a well-executed piece of software whose future impact will be determined by the degree of support and maintenance it receives from others over the near and medium term.
Reviewer #3 (Public Review):
Summary:
The authors invent song and syllable discrimination tasks they use to train deep networks. These networks they then use as a basis for routine song analysis and song evaluation tasks. For the analysis, they consider both data from their own colony and from another colony the network has not seen during training. They validate the analysis scores of the network against expert human annotators, achieving a correlation of 80-90%.
Strengths:
(1) Robust Validation and Generalizability: The authors demonstrate a good performance of the AVN across various datasets, including individuals exhibiting deviant behavior. This extensive validation underscores the system's usefulness and broad applicability to zebra finch song analysis, establishing it as a potentially valuable tool for researchers in the field.
(2) Comprehensive and Standardized Feature Analysis: AVN integrates a comprehensive set of interpretable features commonly used in the study of bird songs. By standardizing the feature extraction method, the AVN facilitates comparative research, allowing for consistent interpretation and comparison of vocal behavior across studies.
(3) Automation and Ease of Use. By being fully automated, the method is straightforward to apply and should introduce barely an adoption threshold to other labs.
(4) Human experts were recruited to perform extensive annotations (of vocal segments and of song similarity scores). These annotations released as public datasets are potentially very valuable.
Weaknesses:
(1) Poorly motivated tasks. The approach is poorly motivated and many assumptions come across as arbitrary. For example, the authors implicitly assume that the task of birdsong comparison is best achieved by a system that optimally discriminates between typical, deaf, and isolated songs. Similarly, the authors assume that song development is best tracked using a system that optimally estimates the age of a bird given its song. My issue is that these are fake tasks since clearly, researchers will know whether a bird is an isolated or a deaf bird, and they will also know the age of a bird, so no machine learning is needed to solve these tasks. Yet, the authors imagine that solving these placeholder tasks will somehow help with measuring important aspects of vocal behavior.
We appreciate this reviewer’s concerns and apologize for not providing sufficiently clear rationale for the inclusion of our phenotype classifier and age regression models in the original manuscript. These tasks are not intended to be taken as a final, ultimate culmination of the AVN pipeline. Rather, we consider the carefully engineered 55-interpretable feature set to be AVN’s final output, and these analyses serve merely as examples of how that feature set can be applied. That said, each of these models do have valid experimental use cases that we believe are important and would like to bring to the attention of the reviewer.
For one, we showed how the LDA model that can discriminate between typical, deaf, and isolate birds’ songs not only allows us to evaluate which features are most important for discriminating between these groups, but also allows comparison of the FoxP1 knock-down (FP1 KD) birds to each of these phenotypes. Based on previous work (Garcia-Oscos et al. 2021), we hypothesized that FP1 KD in these birds specifically impaired tutor song memory formation while sparing a bird’s ability to refine their own vocalizations through auditory feedback. Thus, we would expect their songs to resemble those of isolate birds, who lack a tutor song memory, but not to resemble deaf birds who lack a tutor song memory and auditory feedback of their own vocalizations to guide learning. The LDA model allowed us to make this comparison quantitatively for the first time and confirm our hypothesis that FP1 KD birds’ songs are indeed most like isolates’. In the future, as more research groups publish their birds’ AVN feature sets, we hope to be able to make even more fine-grained comparisons between different groups of birds, either using LDA or other similar interpretable classifiers.
The age prediction model also has valid real-world use cases. For instance, one might imagine an experimental manipulation that is hypothesized to accelerate or slow song maturation in juvenile birds. This age prediction model could be applied to the AVN feature sets of birds having undergone such a manipulation to determine whether their predicted ages systematically lead or lag their true biological ages, and which song features are most responsible for this difference. We didn’t have access to data for any such birds for inclusion in this paper, but we hope that others in the future will be able to take inspiration from our methodology and use this or a similar age regression model with AVN features in their research. We have added a couple lines to the ‘Comparing Song Disruptions with AVN Features’ and ‘Tracking Song Development with AVN Features’ sections of the results to make this more clear.
Along similar lines, authors assume that a good measure of similarity is one that optimally performs repeated syllable detection (i.e. to discriminate same syllable pairs from different pairs). The authors need to explain why they think these placeholder tasks are good and why no better task can be defined that more closely captures what researchers want to measure. Note: the standard tasks for self-supervised learning are next word or masked word prediction, why are these not used here?
This reviewer appears to have misunderstood our similarity scoring embedding model and our rationale for using it. We will explain it in more depth here and have added a paragraph to the ‘Measuring Song Imitation’ section of the results explaining this rationale more briefly.
First, nowhere are we training a model to discriminate between same and different syllable pairs. The triplet loss network is trained to embed syllables in an 8-dimensional space such that syllables with the same label are closer together than syllables with different labels. The loss function is related to the relative distance between embeddings of syllables with the same or different labels, not the classification of syllables as same or different. This approach was chosen because it has repeatedly been shown to be a useful data compression step (Schorff et al. 2015, Thakur et al. 2019) before further downstream tasks are applied on its output, particularly in contexts where there is little data per class (syllable label). For example, Schorff et al. 2015 trained a deep convolutional neural network with triplet loss to embed images of human faces from the same individual closer together than images of different individuals in a 128dimensional space. They then used this model to compute 128-dimensional representations of additional face images, not included in training, which were used for individual facial recognition (this is a same vs. different category classifier), and facial clustering, achieving better performance than the previous state of the art. The triplet loss function results in a model that can generate useful embeddings of previously unseen categories, like new individuals’ faces, or new zebra finches’ syllables, which can then be used in downstream analyses. This meaningful, lower dimensional space allows comparisons of distributions of syllables across birds, as in Brainard and Mets 2008, and Goffinet et al. 2021.
Next word and masked word prediction are indeed common self-supervised learning tasks for models working with text data, or other data with meaningful sequential organization. That is not the case for our zebra finch syllables, where every bird’s syllable sequence depends only on its tutor’s sequence, and there is no evidence for strong universal syllable sequencing rules (James et al. 2020). Rather, our embedding model is an example of a computer vision task, as it deals with sets of two-dimensional images (spectrograms), not sequences of categorical variables (like text). It is also not, strictly speaking, a selfsupervised learning task, as it does require syllable labels to generate the triplets. A common selfsupervised approach for dimensionality reduction in a computer vision task such as this one would be to train an autoencoder to compress images to a lower dimensional space, then faithfully reconstruct them from the compressed representation. This has been done using a variational autoencoder trained on zebra finch syllables in Goffinet et al. 2021. In keeping with the suggestions from reviewers #1 and #2, we have included a comparison of our triplet loss model with the Goffinet et al. VAE approach in the revised manuscript.
(2) The machine learning methodology lacks rigor. The aims of the machine learning pipeline are extremely vague and keep changing like a moving target. Mainly, the deep networks are trained on some tasks but then authors evaluate their performance on different, disconnected tasks. For example, they train both the birdsong comparison method (L263+) and the song similarity method (L318+) on classification tasks. However, they evaluate the former method (LDA) on classification accuracy, but the latter (8-dim embeddings) using a contrast index. In machine learning, usually, a useful task is first defined, then the system is trained on it and then tested on a held-out dataset. If the sensitivity index is important, why does it not serve as a cost function for training?
Again, this reviewer seems not to understand our similarity scoring methodology. Our similarity scoring model is not trained on a classification task, but rather on an embedding task. It learns to embed spectrograms of syllables in an 8-dimensional space such that syllables with the same label are closer together than syllables with different labels. We could report the loss values for this embedding task on our training and validation datasets, but these wouldn’t have any clear relevance to the downstream task of syllable distribution comparison where we are using the model’s embeddings. We report the contrast index as this has direct relevance to the actual application of the model and allows comparisons to other similarity scoring methods, something that the triplet loss values wouldn’t allow.
The triplet loss method was chosen because it has been shown to yield useful low-dimensional representations of data, even in cases where there is limited labeled training data (Thakur et al. 2019). While we have one of the largest manually annotated datasets of zebra finch songs, it is still quite small by industry deep learning standards, which is why we chose a method that would perform well given the size of our dataset. Training a model on a contrast index directly would be extremely computationally intensive and require many more pairs of birds with known relationships than we currently have access to. It could be an interesting approach to take in the future, but one that would be unlikely to perform well with a dataset size typical to songbird research.
Also, usually, in solid machine learning work, diverse methods are compared against each other to identify their relative strengths. The paper contains almost none of this, e.g. authors examined only one clustering method (HDBSCAN).
We did compare multiple methods for syllable segmentation (WhisperSeg, TweetyNet, and Amplitude thresholding) as this hadn’t been done previously. We chose not to perform extensive comparison of different clustering methods as Sainburg et al. 2020 already did so and we felt no need to reduplicate this effort. We encourage this reviewer to refer to Sainburg et al.’s excellent work for comparisons of multiple clustering methods applied to zebra finch song syllables.
(3) Performance issues. The authors want to 'simplify large-scale behavioral analysis' but it seems they want to do that at a high cost. (Gu et al 2023) achieved syllable scores above 0.99 for adults, which is much larger than the average score of 0.88 achieved here (L121). Similarly, the syllable scores in (Cohen et al 2022) are above 94% (their error rates are below 6%, albeit in Bengalese finches, not zebra finches), which is also better than here. Why is the performance of AVN so low? The low scores of AVN argue in favor of some human labeling and training on each bird.
Firstly, the syllable error rate scores reported in Cohen et al. 2022 are calculated very differently than the F1 scores we report here and are based on a model trained with data from the same bird as was used in testing, unlike our more general segmentation approach where the model was tested on different birds than were used in training. Thus, the scores reported in Cohen et al. and the F1 scores that we report cannot be compared.
The discrepancy between the F1<sub>seg</sub> scores reported in Gu et al. 2023 and the segmentation F1 scores that we report are likely due to differences in the underlying datasets. Our UTSW recordings tend to have higher levels of both stationary and non-stationary background noise, which make segmentation more challenging. The recordings from Rockefeller were less contaminated by background noise, and they resulted in slightly higher F1 scores. That said, we believe that the primary factor accounting for this difference in scores with Gu et al. 2023 is the granularity of our ‘ground truth’ syllable segments. In our case, if there was never any ambiguity as to whether vocal elements should be segmented into two short syllables with a very short gap between them or merged into a single longer syllable, we chose to split them. WhisperSeg had a strong tendency to merge the vocal elements in ambiguous cases such as these. This results in a higher rate of false negative syllable onset detections, reflected in the low recall scores achieved by WhisperSeg (see Figure 2–figure supplement 1b), but still very high precision scores (Figure 2–figure supplement 1a). While WhisperSeg did frequently merge these syllables in a way that differed from our ground truth segmentation, it did so consistently, meaning it had little impact on downstream measures of syntax entropy (Figure 3c) or syllable duration entropy (Figure 3–figure supplement 2a). It is for that reason that, despite a lower F1 score, we still consider AVN’s automatically generated annotations to be sufficiently accurate for downstream analyses.
Should researchers require a higher degree of accuracy and precision with their annotations (for example, to detect very subtle changes in song before and after an acute manipulation) we suggest they turn toward one of the existing tools for supervised song annotation, such as TweetyNet.
(4) Texas bias. It is true that comparability across datasets is enhanced when everyone uses the same code. However, the authors' proposal essentially is to replace the bias between labs with a bias towards birds in Texas. The comparison with Rockefeller birds is nice, but it amounts to merely N=1. If birds in Japanese or European labs have evolved different song repertoires, the AVN might not capture the associated song features in these labs well.
We appreciate the author’s concern about a bias toward birds from the UTSW colony. However, this paper shows that despite training (for the similarity scoring) and hyperparameter fitting (for the HDBSCAN clustering) on the UTSW birds, AVN performs as well if not better on birds from Rockefeller than from UTSW. To our knowledge, there are no publicly available datasets of annotated zebra finch songs from labs in Europe or in Asia but we would be happy to validate AVN on such datasets, should they become available. Furthermore, there is no evidence to suggest that there is dramatic drift in zebra finch vocal repertoire between continents which would necessitate such additional validation. While we didn’t have manual annotations for this dataset (which would allow validation of our segmentation and labeling methods), we did apply AVN to recordings shared with us by the Wada lab in Japan, where visual inspection of the resulting annotations suggested comparable accuracy to the UTSW and Rockefeller datasets.
(5) The paper lacks an analysis of the balance between labor requirement, generalizability, and optimal performance. For tasks such as segmentation and labeling, fine-tuning for each new dataset could potentially enhance the model's accuracy and performance without compromising comparability. E.g. How many hours does it take to annotate hundred song motifs? How much would the performance of AVN increase if the network were to be retrained on these? The paper should be written in more neutral terms, letting researchers reach their own conclusions about how much manual labor they want to put into their data.
With standardization and ease of use in mind, we designed AVN specifically to perform fully automated syllable annotation and downstream feature calculations. We believe that we have demonstrated in this manuscript that our fully automated approach is sufficiently reliable for downstream analyses across multiple zebra finch colonies. That said, if researchers require an even higher degree of annotation precision and accuracy, they can turn toward one of the existing methods for supervised song annotation, such as TweetyNet. Incorporating human annotations for each bird processed by AVN is likely to improve its performance, but this would require significant changes to AVN’s methodology, and is outside the scope of our current efforts.
(6) Full automation may not be everyone's wish. For example, given the highly stereotyped zebra finch songs, it is conceivable that some syllables are consistently mis-segmented or misclassified. Researchers may want to be able to correct such errors, which essentially amounts to fine-tuning AVN. Conceivably, researchers may want to retrain a network like the AVN on their own birds, to obtain a more fine-grained discriminative method.
Other methods exist for supervised or human-in-the-loop annotation of zebra finch songs, such as TweetyNet and DAN (Alam et al. 2023). We invite researchers who require a higher degree of accuracy than AVN can provide to explore these alternative approaches for song annotation. Incorporating human feedback into AVN was never the goal of our pipeline, would require significant changes to AVN’s design and is outside the scope of this manuscript.
(7) The analysis is restricted to song syllables and fails to include calls. No rationale is given for the omission of calls. Also, it is not clear how the analysis deals with repeated syllables in a motif, whether they are treated as two-syllable types or one.
It is true that we don’t currently have any dedicated features to describe calls. This could be a useful addition to AVN in the future.
What a human expert inspecting a spectrogram would typically call ‘repeated syllables’ in a bout are almost always assigned the same syllable label by the UMAP+HDBSCAN clustering. The syntax analysis module includes features examining the rate of syllable repetitions across syllable types, as mentioned in lines 222-226 of the revised manuscript. See https://avn.readthedocs.io/en/latest/syntax_analysis_demo.html#Syllable-Repetitions for further details.
(8) It seems not all human annotations have been released and the instruction sets given to experts (how to segment syllables and score songs) are not disclosed. It may well be that the differences in performance between (Gu et al 2023) and (Cohen et al 2022) are due to differences in segmentation tasks, which is why these tasks given to experts need to be clearly spelled out. Also, the downloadable files contain merely labels but no identifier of the expert. The data should be released in such a way that lets other labs adopt their labeling method and cross-check their own labeling accuracy.
All human annotations used in this manuscript have indeed been released as part of the accompanying dataset. Syllable annotations are not provided for all pupils and tutors used to validate the similarity scoring, as annotations are not necessary for similarity comparisons. We have expanded our description of our annotation guidelines in the methods section of the revised manuscript. All the annotations were generated by one of two annotators. The second annotator always consulted with the first annotator in cases of ambiguous syllable segmentation or labeling, to ensure that they had consistent annotation styles. Unfortunately, we haven’t retained records about which birds were annotated by which of the two annotators, so we cannot share this information along with the dataset. The data is currently available in a format that should allow other research groups to use our annotations either to train their own annotation systems or check the performance of their existing systems on our annotations.
(9) The failure modes are not described. What segmentation errors did they encounter, and what syllable classification errors? It is important to describe the errors to be expected when using the method.
As we discussed in our response to this reviewer’s point (3), WhisperSeg has a tendency to merge syllables when the gap between them is very short, which explains its lower recall score compared to its precision on our dataset (Figure 2–figure supplement 1). In rare cases, WhisperSeg also fails to recognize syllables entirely, again impacting its precision score. TweetyNet hardly ever completely ignores syllables, but it does tend to occasionally merge syllables together or over-segment them. Whereas WhisperSeg does this very consistently for the same syllable types within the same bird, TweetyNet merges or splits syllables more inconsistently. This inconsistent merging and splitting has a larger effect on syllable labeling, as manifested in the lower clustering v-measure scores we obtain with TweetyNet compared to WhisperSeg segmentations. TweetyNet also has much lower precision than WhisperSeg, largely because TweetyNet often recognizes background noises (like wing flaps or hopping) as syllables whereas WhisperSeg hardly ever segments non-vocal sounds.
Many errors in syllable labeling stem from differences in syllable segmentation. For example, if two syllables with labels ‘a’ and ‘b’ in the manual annotation are sometimes segmented as two syllables, but sometimes merged into a single syllable, the clustering is likely to find 3 different syllable types; one corresponding to ‘a’, one corresponding to ‘b’ and one corresponding to ‘ab’ merged. Because of how we align syllables across segmentation schemes for the v-measure calculation, this will look like syllable ‘b’ always has a consistent cluster label (or is missing a label entirely), but syllable ‘a’ can carry two different cluster labels, depending on the segmentation. In certain cases, even in the absence of segmentation errors, a group of syllables bearing the same manual annotation label may be split into 2 or 3 clusters (it is extremely rare for a single manual annotation group to be split into more than 3 clusters). In these cases, it is difficult to conclusively say whether the clustering represents an error, or if it actually captured some meaningful systematic difference between syllables that was missed by the annotator. Finally, sometimes rare syllable types with their own distinct labels in the manual annotation are merged into a single cluster. Most labeling errors can be explained by this kind of merging or splitting of groups relative to the manual annotation, not to occasional mis-classifications of one manual label type as another.
For examples of these types of errors, we encourage this reviewer and readers to refer to the example confusion matrices in figure 2f and Figure 2–figure supplement 3b&e. We also added two paragraphs to the end of the ‘Accurate, fully unsupervised syllable labeling’ section of the Results in the revised manuscript.
(10) Usage of Different Dimensionality Reduction Methods: The pipeline uses two different dimensionality reduction techniques for labeling and similarity comparison - both based on the understanding of the distribution of data in lower-dimensional spaces. However, the reasons for choosing different methods for different tasks are not articulated, nor is there a comparison of their efficacy.
We apologize for not making this distinction sufficiently clear in the manuscript and have added a paragraph to the ‘Measuring Song Imitation’ section of the Results explaining the rational for using an embedding model for similarity scoring.
We chose to use UMAP for syllable labeling because it is a common embedding methodology to precede hierarchical clustering and has been shown to result in reliable syllable labels for birdsong in the past (Sainburg et al. 2020). However, it is not appropriate for similarity scoring, because comparing EMD or MMD scores between birds requires that all the birds’ syllable distributions exist within the same shared embedding space. This can be achieved by using the same triplet loss-trained neural network model to embed syllables from all birds. This cannot be achieved with UMAP because all birds whose scores are being compared would need to be embedded in the same UMAP space, as distances between points cannot be compared across UMAPs. In practice, this would mean that every time a new tutor-pupil pair needs to be scored, their syllables would need to be added to a matrix with all previously compared birds’ syllables, a new UMAP would need to be computed, and new EMD or MMD scores between all bird pairs would need to be calculated using their new UMAP embeddings. This is very computationally expensive and quickly becomes unfeasible without dedicated high power computing infrastructure. It also means that similarity scores couldn’t be compared across papers without recomputing everything each time, whereas EMD and MMD scores obtained with triplet loss embeddings can be compared, provided they use the same trained model (which we provide as part of AVN) to embed their syllables in a common latent space.
(11) Reproducibility: are the measurements reproducible? Systems like UMAP always find a new embedding given some fixed input, so the output tends to fluctuate.
There is indeed a stochastic element to UMAP embeddings which will result in different embeddings and therefore different syllable labels across repeated runs with the same input. We observed that v-measures scores were quite consistent within birds across repeated runs of the UMAP, and have added an additional supplementary figure to the revised manuscript showing this (Figure 2–figure supplement 4).
Reviewer #1 (Recommendations For The Authors):
(1) Benchmark their similarity score to the method used by Goffinet et al, 2021 from the Pearson group. Such a comparison would be really interesting and useful.
This has been added to the paper.
(2) Please clarify exactly what is new and what is applied from existing methods to help the reader see the novelty of the paper.
We have added more emphasis on the novel aspects of our pipeline to the paper’s introduction.
Minor:
It's unclear if AVN is appropriate as the paper deals only with zebra finch song - the scope is more limited than advertised.
We assume this is in reference to ‘Birdsong’ in the paper’s title and ‘Avian’ in Avian Vocalization Network. There is a brief discussion of how these methods are likely to perform on other commonly studied songbird species at the end of the discussion section.
Reviewer #2 (Recommendations For The Authors):
A few points for the authors to consider that might strengthen or inform the paper:
(1) In the public review, I detailed some ways in which the SSL+EMD approach is unlikely to be appreciably distinct from the VAE+MMD approach -- in fact, one could mix and match here. It would strengthen the authors' claim if they showed via experiments that their method outperforms VAE+MMD, but in the absence of that, a discussion of the relation between the two is probably warranted.
This comparison has been added to the paper.
(2) ll. 305-310: This loss of accuracy near the edge is expected on general Bayesian grounds. Any regression approach should learn to estimate the conditional mean of the age distribution given the data, so ages estimated from data will be pulled inward toward the location of most training data. This bias is somewhat mitigated in the Brudner paper by a more flexible model, but it's a general (and expected) feature of the approach.
(3) While the online AVA documentation looks good, it might benefit from a page on design philosophy that lays out how the various modules fit together - something between the tutorials and the nitty-gritty API. That way, users would be able to get a sense of where they should look if they want to harness pieces of functionality beyond the tutorials.
Thank you for this suggestion. We will add a page on AVN’s design philosophy to the online documentation.
(4) While the manuscript does compare AVN to packages like TweetyNet and AVA that share some functionality, it doesn't really mention what's been going on with the vocalpy ecosystem, where the maintainers have been doing a lot to standardize data processing, integrate tools, etc. I would suggest a few words about how AVN might integrate with these efforts.
We thank the reviewer for this suggestion.
(5) ll. 333-336: It would be helpful to provide a citation to some of the self-supervised learning literature this procedure is based on. Some citations are provided in methods, but the general approach is worth citing, in my opinion.
We have added a paragraph to the results section with more background on self-supervised learning for dimensionality reduction, particularly in the context of similarity scoring.
(6) One software concern for medium-term maintenance: AVN docs say to use Python 3.8, and GitHub says the package is 3.9 compatible. I also saw in the toml file that 3.10 and above are not supported. It's worth noting that Python 3.9 reaches its end of life in October 2025, so some dependencies may have to be altered or changed for the package to be viable going forward.
Thank you for this comment. We will continue to maintain AVN and update its dependencies as needed.
Minor points:
(1) It might be good to note that WhisperSeg is a different install from AVN. May be hard for novice users, though there's a web interface that's available.
We’ve added a line to the methods section making this clear.
(2) Figure 6b: Some text in the y-axis labels is overlapping here.
This has been fixed. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
(3) The name of the Python language is always capitalized.
We’ve fixed this capitalization error throughout the manuscript. Thank you.
Reviewer #3 (Recommendations For The Authors):
(1) I recommend that the authors improve the motivation of the chosen tasks and data or choose new tasks that more clearly speak to the optimizations they want to perform.
We have included more details about the motivation for our LDA classification analysis, age prediction model and embedding model for similarity scoring in the results of the revised manuscript, as discussed in more detail in the above responses to this reviewer. Thank you for these suggestions.
(2) They need to rigorously report the (classification) scores on the test datasets: these are the scores associated with the cost function used during training.
Based on this reviewer’s ‘Weaknesses: 3’ comment in the public reviews, we believe that they are referring to a classification score for the triplet loss model. As we explained in response to that comment, this is not a classification task, therefor there is no classification score to report. The loss function used to train the model was a triplet loss function. While we could report these values, they are not informative for how well this approach would perform in a similarity scoring context, as explained above. As such, we prefer to include contrast index and tutor contrast index scores to compare the models’ performance for similarity score, as these are directly relevant to the task and are established in the field for said task.
(3) They need to explain the reasons for the poor performance (or report on the inconsistencies with previous work) and why they prefer a fully automated system rather than one that needs some fine-tuning on bird-specific data.
We’ve addressed this comment in the public response to this reviewer’s weakness points 3, 5, and 6.
(4) They should consider applying their method to data from Japanese and European labs.
We’ve addressed this comment in the public response to this reviewer’s weakness point 4.
(5) The need to document the failure modes and report all details about the human annotations.
We’ve added additional description of the failure modes for our segmentation and labeling approaches in the results section of the revised manuscript.
Details:
The introduction is very vague, it fails to make a clear case of what the problem is and what the approach is. It reads a bit like an advertisement for machine learning: we are given a hammer and are looking for a nail.
We thank the reviewer for this viewpoint; however, we disagree and have decided to keep our Introduction largely unchanged.
L46 That interpretability is needed to maximize the benefits of machine learning is wrong, see self-driving cars and chat GPT.
This line states that ‘To truly maximize the benefits of machine learning and deep learning methods for behavior analysis, their power must be balanced with interpretability and generalizability’. We firmly believe that interpretability is critically important when using machine learning tools to gain a deeper scientific understanding of data, including animal behavior data in a neuroscience context. We believe that the introduction and discussion of this paper already provide strong evidence for this claim.
L64 What about zebra finches that repeat a syllable in the motif, how are repetitions dealt with by AVN?
This is already described in the results section in lines 222-226, and in the methods in the ‘Syntax Features: Repetition Bouts’ section.
L107 Say a bit more here, what exactly has been annotated?
We’ve added a sentence in the introduction to clarify this. Line 113-115.
L112 Define spectrogram frames. Do these always fully or sometimes partially contain a vocalization?
Spectrogram frames are individual time bins used to compute the spectrogram using a short-term Fourier transform. As described in the ‘Methods; Labeling : UMAP Dimensionality Reduction” section, our spectrograms are computed using ‘The short term Fourier transform of the normalized audio for each syllable […] with a window length of 512 samples and a hop length of 128 samples’. Given that the song files have a standard sampling rate of 44.1kHz, this means each time bin represents 11.6ms of song data, with successive frames advancing in time by 2.9ms. These contain only a small fraction of a vocalization.
L122 The reported TweetyNet score of 0.824 is lower than the one reported in Figure 2a.
The center line in the box plot in Figure 2a represents the median of the distribution of TweetyNet vmeasure scores. Given that there are a couple outlying birds with very low scores, the mean (0.824 as reported in the text of the results section) is lower than the median. This is not an error.
L155 Some of the differences in performance are very small, reporting of the P value might be necessary.
These methods are unlikely to statistically significantly differ in their validation scores. This doesn’t mean that we cannot use the mean/median values reported to justify favoring one method over another. This is why we’ve chosen not to report p-values here.
L161 The authors have not really tested more than a single clustering method, failing to show a serious attempt to achieve good performance.
We’ve addressed this comment in the public response to this reviewer’s weakness point 2.
L186 Did isolate birds produce stereotyped syllables that can be clustered?
Yes, they did. The validation for clustering of isolate bird songs can be found in Figure 2–figure supplement 4.
Fig. 3e: How were the multiple bouts aligned?
This is described in lines 857-876 in the ‘Methods: Song Timing Features: Rhythm Spectrograms” section of the paper.
L199 There is a space missing in front of (n=8).
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. It’s been corrected in the updated manuscript.
L268 Define classification accuracy.
We’ve added a sentence in lines 953-954 of the methods section defining classification accuracy.
L325 How many motifs need to be identified, why does this need to be done manually? There are semiautomated methods that can allow scaling, these should be cited here. Also, the mention of bias here should be removed in favor of a more extensive discussion on the experimenter bias (traditionally vs Texas bias (in this paper).
All of the methods cited in this line have graphical user interfaces that require users to select a file containing song and manually highlight the start and end each motif to be compared. The exact number of motifs required varies depending on the specific context (e.g. more examples are needed to detect more subtle differences or changes in song similarity) but it is fairly standard for reviewers to score 30 – 100 pairs of motifs.
We’ve discussed the tradeoffs between full automation and supervised or human-in-the loop methods in response to this reviewer’s public comment ‘weakness #5 and 6’. Briefly, AVN’s aim is to standardize song analysis, to allow direct comparisons between song features and similarity scores across research groups. We believe, as explained in the paper, that this can be best achieve by having different research groups use the same deep learning models, which perform consistently well across those groups. Introducing semi-automated methods would defeat this benefit of AVN.
We’ve also addressed the question of ‘Texas bias’ in response to their reviewer’s public comment ‘Weakness #4’.
L340 How is EMD applied? Syllables are points in 8-dim space, but now suddenly authors talk about distributions without explaining how they got from points to distributions. Same in L925.
We apologize for the confusion here. The syllable points in the 8-d space are collectively an empirical distribution, not a probability distribution. We referred to them simply as ‘distributions’ to limit technical jargon in the results of the paper, but have changed this to more precise language in the revised manuscript.
L351 Why do authors now use 'contrast index' to measure performance and no longer 'classification accuracy'?
We’ve addressed this comment in the public response to this reviewer’s weakness points 1 and 2.
Figure 6 What is the confusion matrix, i.e. how well can the model identify pupil-pupil pairings from pupiltutor and from pupil-unrelated pairings? I guess that would amount to something like classification accuracy.
There is no model classifying comparisons as pupil-pupil vs. pupil-tutor etc. These comparisons exist only to show the behavior of the similarity scoring approach, which consists of a dissimilarity measure (MMD or EMD) applied to low dimensional representations of syllable generated by the triplet loss model or VAE. This was clarified further in our public response to this reviewer’s weakness points 1 and 2.
L487 What are 'song files', and what do they contain?
‘Song files’ are .wav files containing recordings of zebra finch song. They typically contain a single song bout, but they can include multiple song bouts if they are produced close together, or incomplete song bouts if the introductory notes were very soft or the bouts were very long (>30s from the start of the file). Details of these recordings are provided in the ‘Methods: Data Acquisition: UTSW Dataset’ section of the manuscript.
L497 Calls were only labelled for tweetynet but not for other tasks.
That is correct. The rationale for this is provided in the ‘Methods: Manual Song Annotation’ section of the manuscript.
L637 There is a contradiction (can something be assigned to the 'own manual annotation category' when the same sentence states that this is done 'without manual annotation'?)
We believe there is confusion here between automated annotation and validation. Any bird can be automatically annotated without the need for any existing manual annotations for that individual bird. However, manual labels are required to compare automatically generated annotations against for validation of the method.
L970 Spectograms of what? (what is the beginning of a song bout, L972).
The beginning of a song bout is the first introductory note produced by a bird after a period without vocalizations. This is standard.
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Proposition : "L’idée du projet Virtuel Mucem prit forme lors d’une discussion en marge de la 5e conférence RESAW(Gebeil and Peyssard 2024) accueillie par le MucemLab en juin 2023. Puisque les sites avaient été archivés par la Bibliothèque nationale de France (BnF) dans le cadre de sa mission de dépôt légal de l’internet français2, il devait être possible de fournir une reproduction au Centre de conservation et de ressources du Mucem. L’objectif principal était d’expérimenter une forme de remédiation des sites archivés en imaginant un dispositif éditorial et technique. Le regard porté sur ces matériaux passés est également au cœur du projet, car ces sites sont les composants d’une triple histoire : celle des enquêtes-collectes et des collections du musée, celle de l’internet et des médiations numériques, celle d’une institution en devenir qui cherche à innover. Ainsi, notre projet ne se borne pas aux murs du Mucem, mais vise à positionner ces sites web comme des objets-témoins : on les considère comme représentatifs d'une certaine modalité d'investissement muséal et scientifique du web. Parce qu'ils portent la marque des circonstances de leur conception, on se demandera comment les archiver adéquatement en tenant compte de leurs spécificités et comment souligner leurs spécificités historiques à travers le dispositif de remédiation.
Author response:
Reviewer #1 (Public review):
Summary:
This study investigates how collective navigation improvements arise in homing pigeons. Building on the Sasaki & Biro (2017) experiment on homing pigeons, the authors use simulations to test seven candidate social learning strategies of varying cognitive complexity, ranging from simple route averaging to potentially cognitively demanding selective propagation of superior routes. They show that only the simplest strategy-equal route averaging-quantitatively matches the experimental data in both route efficiency and social weighting. More complex strategies, while potentially more effective, fail to align with the observed data. The authors also introduce the concept of "effective group size," showing that the chaining design leads to a strong dilution of earlier individuals' contributions. Overall, they conclude that cognitive simplicity rather than cumulative cultural evolution explains collective route improvements in pigeons.
Strengths:
The manuscript addresses an important question and provides a compelling argument that a simpler hypothesis is necessary and sufficient to explain findings of a recent influential study on pigeon route improvements, via a rigorous systematic comparison of seven alternative hypotheses. The authors should be commended for their willingness to critically re-examine established interpretations. The introduction and discussion are broad and link pigeon navigation to general debates on social learning, wisdom of crowds, and CCE.
We thank the reviewer for their positive comments.
Weaknesses:
The lack of availability of codes and data for this manuscript, especially given that it critically examines and proposes alternative hypotheses for an important published work.
We thank the reviewer for their comment. The code and data for our manuscript are an important aspect of the study, and we had intended to make them publicly available upon publication. The link to our code and data on figshare can be found here: (https://doi.org/10.6084/m9.figshare.28950032.v1). We will further add this link to the Data Availability Statement of our revised version.
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
Summary:
The manuscript investigates which social navigation mechanisms, with different cognitive demands, can explain experimental data collected from homing pigeons. Interestingly, the results indicate that the simplest strategy - route averaging - aligns best with the experimental data, while the most demanding strategy - selectively propagating the best route - offers no advantage. Further, the results suggest that a mixed strategy of weighted averaging may provide significant improvements.
The manuscript addresses the important problem of identifying possible mechanisms that could explain observed animal behavior by systematically comparing different candidate models. A core aspect of the study is the calculation of collective routes from individual bird routes using different models that were hypothesized to be employed by the animals, but which differ in their cognitive demands.
The manuscript is well-written, with high-quality figures supporting both the description of the approach taken and the presentation of results. The results should be of interest to a broad community of researchers investigating (collective) animal behavior, ranging from experiment to theory. The general approach and mathematical methods appear reasonable and show no obvious flaws. The statistical methods also appear.
Strengths:
The main strength of the manuscript is the systematic comparison of different meta-mechanisms for social navigation by modeling social trajectories from solitary trajectories and directly comparing them with experimental results on social navigation. The results show that the experimentally observed behavior could, in principle, arise from simple route averaging without the need to identify "knowledgeable" individuals. Another strength of the work is the establishment of a connection between social navigation behavior and the broader literature on the wisdom of crowds through the concept of effective group size.
We thank the reviewer for their positive comments.
Weaknesses:
However, there are two main weaknesses that should be addressed:
(1) The first concerns the definition of "mechanism" as used by the authors, for example, when writing "navigation mechanism." Intuitively, one might assume that what is meant is a behavioral mechanism in the sense of how behavior is generated as a dynamic process. However, here it is used at a more abstract (meta) level, referring to high-level categories such as "averaging" versus "leader-follower" dynamics. It is not used in the sense of how an individual makes decisions while moving, where the actual route followed in a social context emerges from individuals navigating while simultaneously interacting with conspecifics in space and time. In the presented work, the approach is to directly combine (global) route data of solitary birds according to the considered "meta-mechanisms" to generate social trajectories. Of course, this is not how pigeon social navigation actually works-they do not sit together before the flight and say, "This is my route, this is your route, let's combine them in this way." A mechanistic modeling approach would instead be some form of agent-based model that describes how agents move and interact in space and time. Such a "bottom-up" approach, however, has its drawbacks, including many unknown parameters and often strongly simplifying (implicit) assumptions. I do not expect the authors to conduct agent-based modeling, but at the very least, they should clearly discuss what they mean by "mechanism" and clarify that while their approach has advantages-such as naturally accounting for the statistical features of solitary routes and allowing a direct comparison of different meta-mechanisms is also limited, as it does not address how behavior is actually generated. For example, the approach lacks any explicit modeling of errors, uncertainty, or stochasticity more broadly (e.g., due to environmental influences). Thus, while the presented study yields some interesting results, it can only be considered an intermediate step toward understanding actual behavioral mechanisms.
We thank the reviewer for their comment and thoughtful suggestions. We agree that the inherent behavioral mechanisms and the biological basis of these mechanisms cannot be determined just through the navigational data alone. For instance, it remains unexplored if pigeons are adapting their behavior based only on social cues from their partners or using other navigational features such as landmarks or roads, location of the sun, geomagnetic cues or prior learnt routes. However, we do agree (as also pointed by the reviewer) that these behavioral rules generate an emergent ‘meta-mechanism’ where the bird pairs are behaving as if their preferred routes are averaged during a flight. It will be important in future work to explore the biological basis of these mechanisms, but our current approach allows us to only describe the mechanisms in a meta sense with any confidence. Considering this, we believe that our analysis is a more top-down approach towards describing the outcomes of these underlying mechanisms in an abstract sense. We would also like to point the reviewer to Dalmaijer, 2024 [1] who used a bottom up approach, using naive agents and showed that cumulative route improvements emerged in the absence of any sophisticated communication in the same dataset, in agreement with our approach. Considering these points, we will make changes in our revised version to clearly elaborate on what the definition of ‘mechanism’ should include in line with the reviewer’s feedback.
(2) While the presented study raises important questions about the applicability and viability of cumulative cultural evolution (CCE) in explaining certain animal behaviors such as social navigation, I find that it falls short in discussing them. What are the implications regarding the applicability of CCE to animal data and to previously claimed experimental evidence for CCE? Should these experiments be re-analyzed or critically reassessed? If not, why? What are good examples from animal behavior where CCE should not be doubted? Furthermore, what about the cited definitions and criteria of CCE? Are they potentially too restrictive? Should they be revised-and if so, how? Conversely, if the definitions become too general, is CCE still a useful concept for studying certain classes of animal behavior? I think these are some of the very important questions that could be addressed or at least raised in the discussion to initiate a broader debate within the community.
We thank the reviewer for their comments and interesting questions regarding our study. We agree with the reviewer that our study opens up new avenues for critically analysing the criteria previous studies have used for providing evidence of CCE in non-human animals. According to our literature review, we found that the field has been usually motivated in thinking about CCE in a ‘process’ focused manner (Reindl et al. [2]) in regards to individuals being able to compare strategies and selecting ones resulting in higher individual fitness. This preferential selection of strategies – termed innovations — allows for the stereotypical ratcheting effect seen in CCE. In our study, we propose that in the case of homing pigeons, the ratcheting effect is more of a statistical outcome rather than deliberate individual judgement. We believe that this strategy is also amenable to certain task types (which in our study was homing route choice) and may change for others (for example solving a puzzle box) and the task also needs to be sufficiently complex for animals to benefit from the use of social information (Caldwell et al. 2008 [3]). Thus, we recommend future work to address what classes of problems would fit well within the definition of “emergent” CCE and which ones don’t. Keeping this framework in mind, studies should clearly state what definition of CCE they are using and should be critically evaluated for their underlying task type and cognitive mechanisms to deem them as CCE. Considering these points we will expand our discussion to highlight these key questions that could be critical to think upon for future research.
References:
(1) Dalmaijer ES (2024) Cumulative route improvements spontaneously emerge in artificial navigators even in the absence of sophisticated communication or thought. PLoS Biol. 22:e3002644.
(2) Reindl, E., Gwilliams, A.L., Dean, L.G. et al. (2020) Skills and motivations underlying children’s cumulative cultural learning: case not closed. Palgrave Commun 6, 106.
(3) Caldwell CA, Millen AE (2008) Studying cumulative cultural evolution in the laboratory. Phil. Trans. R. Soc. B 363:3529-3539.
eLife Assessment
This valuable study examines the cleavage of motor neuron nucleoporins by proteases 2A and 3C of enterovirus D68, a pathogen associated with acute flaccid myelitis. The evidence supporting the effects of EV-D68 proteases on nuclear import and export is solid and confirms previous results on the specific targeting of nucleoporins by proteases from other enteroviruses. However, the claim that cleavage of nucleoporins by EV-D68 2A is neurotoxic, though intriguing, is incomplete, as the evidence is largely indirect.
Reviewer #1 (Public review):
Summary:
Zinn and colleagues investigated the role of proteases 2A and 3C of enterovirus D68 (EVD68), an emerging pathogen associated with outbreaks of acute flaccid myelitis (AFM), a polio-like disease, on the nucleocytoplasmic trafficking in different systems, including human neurons derived from pluripotent cells. They found that 2A specifically cleaved Nup98 and POM121. Using reporter proteins and RNA synthesis and trafficking assays in cells expressing viral proteases, they showed that 2A induces broad loss of the nuclear pore barrier function, but, surprisingly, the RNA export appears to be minimally affected. Since nucleocytoplasmic trafficking defects are known to be associated with neuropatologies, they propose a hypothesis that 2A-dependent cleavage of nucleoporins in motoneurons underlies the development of EVD68-induced AFM. They further show that a 2A-specific inhibitor increases the survival of human neurons differentiated from stem cells upon EVD68 infection.
Strengths:
Use of multiple methods to investigate the effect of 2A and 3C expression on nucleoporin cleavage and nucleocytoplasmic trafficking.
Weaknesses:
Overall, the paper follows multiple others that extensively investigated the cleavage of nucleoporins by enterovirus 2As, so the results are of limited novelty. The hypothesis that infection of motoneurons is the cause of EVD68-induced neurological complications so far is supported by only one autopsy report. Other data suggest that infection of other cell types, such as astrocytes, and/or inflammatory cell infiltration in the CNS, are likely to be responsible for the symptoms. In any case, the claim that EVD68 is specifically neurotoxic because of the 2A-dependent cleavage of nucleoporins in neurons is unfounded, as the virus will be just as "toxic" for other infected cell types.
The paper also requires a more convincing presentation of the data.
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
Summary:
This manuscript investigates the role of EV-D68 proteases 2A and 3C in nuclear pore complex (NPC) dysfunction and their contribution to motor neuron toxicity. The authors demonstrate that both proteases cleave only a limited number of nucleoporins, with 2A^pro showing the strongest impact by inhibiting nuclear import and export of proteins and disrupting NPC permeability without affecting RNA export. Importantly, treatment with the 2A^pro inhibitor telaprevir reduced neuronal cell death in a dose-dependent manner, achieving neuroprotection at concentrations below those required to inhibit viral replication. The study addresses a relevant mechanism underlying EV-D68-induced neuropathology and explores a potential therapeutic intervention.
Strengths:
(1) Provides significant mechanistic insight into how EV-D68 proteases alter NPC function and contribute to neuronal toxicity.
(2) The use of recombinant 2A and 3C proteins allows clear dissection of the specific contribution of each protease.
(3) Demonstrates a therapeutic effect of telaprevir, with neuroprotection independent of viral replication inhibition, adding translational value to the findings.
(4) The topic is highly relevant given the association of EV-D68 with acute flaccid myelitis.
Weaknesses:
(1) Most experiments were performed with recombinant proteases, lacking validation in the context of viral infection, where both proteases act simultaneously.
(2) The conclusion that RNA export is unaffected requires confirmation during actual infection.
(3) The reduction of neurotoxicity by telaprevir does not fully demonstrate that the protective effect is solely mediated through NPC preservation; additional analyses of eIF4G cleavage, nucleoporin integrity, and stress granules are needed.
(4) The study would be strengthened by including another 2A inhibitor (e.g., boceprevir) to confirm the specificity of telaprevir's protective effects.
Reviewer #3 (Public review):
Summary:
The author showed expression of the viral proteases 2Apro and 3Cpro of EV-D68, which cleaved specific components of the nuclear pore complex (Nup98 and POM121 by 2Apro), and 2A but not 3C expression altered nuclear import and export. Similar nucleocytoplasmic transport deficits are observed in EV-D68-infected RD cells and iPSC-derived motor neurons (diMNs). 2A inhibitor telaprevir partially rescued the nucleocytoplasmic transport deficits and suppressed neuronal cell death after infection. While it's clear that 2A can cleave NPC proteins and affect nuclear transport, the link to neurotoxicity after EV-D68 infection is less convincing.
This study opens up a very intriguing hypothesis: that EV-D68 2Apro could be directly responsible for motor neuron cell death, mediated by POM121 and possibly Nup98 cleavage, that ultimately results in paralysis known as acute flaccid myelitis. This hypothesis notably does run counter to other published data showing that human neuronal organoids derived from iPSCs can support productive EV-D68 infection for weeks without cell death and that EV-D68-infected mice can have paralysis prevented by depletion of CD8 T cells, still with EV-D68 infection of the spinal cord. However, even if 2Apro is not ultimately responsible for motor neurons dying in human infections, that does not exclude the possibility that cleavage of nups could still disrupt motor neuron function. Notably, most children with AFM have some amount of motor function return after their acute period of paralysis, but most still have some residual paralysis for years to life. It is possible that 2A pro could mediate the acute onset of weakness, while T cells killing neurons could determine the amount of long-term, residual paralysis.
Strengths:
The characterization of nuclear pore complex components that appear to be targets of both poliovirus and EV-D68 proteases is quite thorough and expansive, so this data set alone will be useful for reference to the field. And the process by which the authors narrowed their focus to EV-D68 2Apro reducing Nup98 and POM121 as consequential to both import and export of nuclear cargo but not RNA was technically impressive, thorough, and convincing. As will be detailed below, when the authors move from studying over-expressed proteases in transformed cell lines to studying actual virus infection in both transformed cell lines and iPSC-derived neurons, some of the data only indirectly support their conclusions; however, the quality of the experiments performed is still high. So even if the claim that 2Apro causes neurotoxicity is circumstantial, the data certainly are intriguing and certainly justify further study of the effects of EV-D68 2Apro on the NPC and how this impacts pathogenesis. This is a convincing start to an intriguing line of inquiry.
Weaknesses:
This study falls a bit shy of actually showing that 2Apro effects are causing motor neuron toxicity because the evidence of this is fairly indirect. At points, the authors do admit these limitations, but at other times, they claim to have shown the link directly. The following are reasons why these claims are only indirectly supported:
(1) Cleavage of Nup98 and POM121 after EV-D68 infection in RD cells and diMNs is never demonstrated.
(2) Telaprevir was able to rescue nucleocytoplasmic transport in RD cells at low concentrations (Figure 4A). It is not shown if this correlates with its antiviral effect in RD cells, or could this correlate with inhibition of 2A cleavage of Nup98 or POM121, which is never measured.
(3) Building off of the prior point, the authors' claim that the neuroprotective effect of telaprevir is independent of its antiviral effect is not well-founded. Figure 4E (neuroprotection) was done with MOI 5, and Figure 4G (virus growth) was MOI 0.5. Telaprevir neuroprotection is not shown at MOI 0.5, nor is the neuroprotective effect correlated with inhibition of 2A cleavage of Nup98 or POM121.
(4) The use of mixed virus isolates only in the diMNs is problematic because different EV-D68 isolates are known to have drastically different effects on pathogenesis in mice. Since all initial data were generated with the MO isolate, adding the additional MD isolate to the diMN experiments actually adds uncertainty to the conclusions. It is not clear if the authors infected different cultures with the different isolates and combined the data or infected all cultures with a mixture of the two isolates. If the former, then the data should be reported separately to see the effect of each individual strain, which would be interesting to EV-D68 virologists. If the latter, then there is no way to know from these data whether one of the two isolates had increased fitness over the other and exerted a dominant effect. If the MD isolate overtook the MO isolate, from which all other data in this manuscript are derived, then we have much less of an idea how much the data from the first three figures supports the final figure.
Author response:
We thank the reviewers for their detailed and thoughtful comments on the manuscript. In general, the reviewers found the data supporting the role of Enterovirus D68 proteases in disrupting the composition of the nuclear pore complex, the 2A protease disrupting nucleocytoplasmic transport of protein cargoes, and the mechanistic dissection of this process to be convincing and potentially relevant to the pathogenesis of AFM. Reviewers requested additional experiments evaluating our observation that RNA export was not similarly impaired, particularly in the context of viral infection rather than solely expression of recombinant proteases. They also requested that cleavage of POM121 and Nup98 by 2A protease, which was demonstrated in 2A<sup>pro</sup> transfected cells and in biochemical assays, also be demonstrated in motor neurons infected by EV-D68. Finally, reviewers noted that while suggestive, the evidence falls short of demonstrating that the toxicity of 2A<sup>pro</sup> is mediated through nuclear pore complex dysfunction.
To address these critiques, we aim to do the following:
(1) Determine the impact of live virus infection on RNA export by repeating the ethinyl uridine pulse-chase assay in the setting of live virus infection. We will also provide representative images for these data and the previously reported data from transfection with GFP-2A<sup>pro</sup> and GFP-3C<sup>pro</sup>.
(2) Evaluate cleavage of POM121 and Nup98 in EV-D68-infected diMNs and inhibition of cleavage by telaprevir by Western blot.
(3) Present motor neuron survival data in figure 4 as separate graphs for each of the viral strains tested, rather than pooling the data. To clarify reviewer #3’s concern, these were not mixed cultures.
We agree that we have not demonstrated conclusively that the mechanism by which 2A<sup>pro</sup> is toxic to motor neurons is via NPC dysfunction. Future work will determine the extent to which NPC dysfunction contributes to 2A<sup>pro</sup>-mediated motor neuron toxicity versus other potential targets of 2A<sup>pro</sup>. We feel that the additional experiments required to achieve this will be extensive and are beyond the scope of the present manuscript, which represents a key first step in this line of inquiry.
In addition to the above, there were several points of disagreement between reviewers. We would like to respond to those as follows:
Reviewer #1: “The hypothesis that infection of motoneurons is the cause of EVD68-induced neurological complications so far is supported by only one autopsy report. Other data suggest that infection of other cell types, such as astrocytes, and/or inflammatory cell infiltration in the CNS, are likely to be responsible for the symptoms.”
Reviewer #3: “This study opens up a very intriguing hypothesis: that EV-D68 2Apro could be directly responsible for motor neuron cell death, mediated by POM121 and possibly Nup98 cleavage, that ultimately results in paralysis known as acute flaccid myelitis. This hypothesis notably does run counter to other published data showing that human neuronal organoids derived from iPSCs can support productive EV-D68 infection for weeks without cell death and that EV-D68-infected mice can have paralysis prevented by depletion of CD8 T cells, still with EV-D68 infection of the spinal cord. However, even if 2Apro is not ultimately responsible for motor neurons dying in human infections, that does not exclude the possibility that cleavage of nups could still disrupt motor neuron function. Notably, most children with AFM have some amount of motor function return after their acute period of paralysis, but most still have some residual paralysis for years to life. It is possible that 2A pro could mediate the acute onset of weakness, while T cells killing neurons could determine the amount of long-term, residual paralysis.”
The infection of motor neurons is strongly supported not only by the aforementioned autopsy data[1], but also by mouse model data demonstrating replication of EV-D68 within motor neurons in the anterior horn of the spinal cord.[2 ] There are also extensive reports of electromyography and nerve conduction studies from human AFM patients demonstrating that the site of pathology is the spinal motor neuron.[3-10]. By contrast, infection of astrocytes has been demonstrated only in primary murine astrocyte cultures in which no neurons were present.[11] .Therefore, while the available data suggest that EV-D68 infection of astrocytes is possible, in the in vivo context of human and mouse spinal cord, tropism to motor neurons appears to be preferential. The relative contributions to toxicity of neuron-autonomous vs non-autonomous processes such as glial dysfunction and inflammatory cell infiltration remain to be elucidated, and are not mutually exclusive.
Our working hypothesis is more in line with that of Reviewer #3. Motor neuron dysfunction and motor neuron death may ultimately prove to have dissociable causes, each of which may be neuron-autonomous, non-neuron-autonomous, or a mixture thereof. The infection of motor neurons is likely the initiating event, with multiple downstream consequences. Much additional work will be required to resolve this controversy.
Reviewer #1: “Demonstrates a therapeutic effect of telaprevir, with neuroprotection independent of viral replication inhibition, adding translational value to the findings.”
Reviewer #3: “The authors' claim that the neuroprotective effect of telaprevir is independent of its antiviral effect is not well-founded. Figure 4E (neuroprotection) was done with MOI 5, and Figure 4G (virus growth) was MOI 0.5. Telaprevir neuroprotection is not shown at MOI 0.5, nor is the neuroprotective effect correlated with inhibition of 2A cleavage of Nup98 or POM121.”
The selection of MOIs for these two experiments was limited by technical considerations. If the viral growth curve were to be performed at MOI 5, it would be confounded by cell death. Further, a low MOI is required in order to allow multiple rounds of infection, replication, and spread within the culture, and is therefore more sensitive for assaying the effect of telaprevir on viral replication. On the other hand, at MOI 0.5 diMN death is very gradual, and in the neuroprotection assay we would have lacked the statistical power to determine whether a rescue of this small magnitude of toxicity is significant. The EC<sub>50</sub> of telaprevir is not expected to vary significantly at different MOIs.
References:
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(2) Hixon, A. M. et al. A mouse model of paralytic myelitis caused by enterovirus D68. PLoS Pathog 13, e1006199 (2017). https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.ppat.1006199
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It is our use of a pile of bricks and mortar whichmakes it a 'house'; and what we feel, think or say about it that makes a 'house'a 'home'.
Bir yığın tuğla ve harcı nasıl kullandığımız, onu bir “ev” yapar; ona dair ne hissettiğimiz, ne düşündüğümüz ve ne söylediğimiz ise, o evi bir “yuva”ya dönüştürür.
TV programmes and comics - as a process, a set of pra ctices. Primarily,culture is concerned with the production and the exchange of meanings - the'giving and taking of meaning' -between the members of a society or group.
Televizyon programları ve çizgi romanlar gibi örneklerle birlikte kültür, bir süreç ve insanların yaptığı belirli uygulamalar bütünü olarak görülür. Temelde kültür, bir toplum ya da grup üyeleri arasında anlamların üretilmesi ve karşılıklı olarak paylaşılmasıyla ilgilidir.
nrecent years , and in a more 'social science' context, the wor d 'culture' is usedto refer to whatever is distinctive about the 'way of life' of a people,community, nation or social group.
Son yıllarda, daha çok sosyal bilimler bağlamında, “kültür” kelimesi; bir halkın, topluluğun, ulusun ya da sosyal grubun yaşam tarzını diğerlerinden ayıran özellikleri ifade etmek için kullanılmaktadır.
Belonging to the sa me frame of reference, but more 'modern'in its associations, is the use of 'culture' to refer to the widely distributedforms of popular music , publishing, art, design and literature, or the activitiesof leisure-time and entertainment, which make up the everyday lives of themajority of 'ordinary people' -what is called the 'mass culture' or the 'popularculture' of an age.
Aynı referans çerçevesine ait olmakla birlikte, daha “modern” çağrışımlara sahip bir başka kullanım da, “kültür”ün; yaygın olarak üretilen ve paylaşılan popüler müzik, yayıncılık, sanat, tasarım ve edebiyat türlerini ya da insanların boş zaman ve eğlence faaliyetlerini ifade etmesidir. Bunlar, çoğu “sıradan insanın” günlük yaşamını oluşturur ve bu da bir dönemin “kitle kültürü” ya da “popüler kültürü” olarak adlandırılır.
Author response:
The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.
Reviewer #1 (Public review):
Summary:
In this manuscript by Lopez-Blanch and colleagues, 21 microexons are selected for a deep analysis of their impacts on behavior, development, and gene expression. The authors begin with a systematic analysis of microexon inclusion and conservation in zebrafish and use these data to select 21 microexons for further study. The behavioral, transcriptomic, and morphological data presented are for the most part convincing. Furthermore, the discussion of the potential explanations for the subtle impacts of individual microexon deletions versus lossof-function in srrm3 and/or srrm4 is quite comprehensive and thoughtful. One major weakness: data presentation, methods, and jargon at times affect readability / might lead to overstated conclusions. However, overall this manuscript is well-written, easy to follow, and the results are of broad interest.
We thank the Reviewer for their positive comments on our manuscript. In the revised version, we will try to improve readability, reduce jargon and avoid overstatements.
Strengths:
(1) The study uses a wide variety of techniques to assess the impacts of microexon deletion, ranging from assays of protein function to regulation of behavior and development.
(2) The authors provide comprehensive analyses of the molecular impact of their microexon deletions, including examining how host-gene and paralog expression is affected.
Weaknesses:
Major Points:
(1) According to the methods, it seems that srrm3 social behavior is tested by pairing a 3mpf srrm3 mutant with a 30dpf srrm3 het. Is this correct? The methods seem to indicate that this decision was made to account for a slower growth rate of homozygous srrm3 mutant fish. However, the difference in age is potentially a major confound that could impact the way that srrm3 mutants interact with hets and the way that srrm3 mutants interact with one another (lower spread for the ratio of neighbour in front value, higher distance to neighbour value). This reviewer suggests testing het-het behavior at 3 months to provide age-matched comparisons for del-del, testing age-matched rather than size-matched het-del behavior, and also suggests mentioning this in the main text / within the figure itself so that readers are aware of the potential confound.
Thank you for bringing up this point. For the tests shown in Figure 5, we indeed decided to match the pairs involving srrm3 mutant fish by fish size since we reasoned this would be more comparable to the other lines, both biologically and methodologically (in terms of video tracking, etc.). However, we are confident the results would be very similar if matched by age, since the differences in social interactions between the srrm3 homozygous mutants and their control siblings are very dramatic at any age. As an example, this can be appreciated, in line with the Reviewer's suggestion, in Videos S2 and S3, which show groups of five 5 mpf fish that are either srrm3 mutant or wild type. It can be observed that the behavior of 5 mpf WT fish (Video S3) is very similar to those of 1 mpf WT fish pairs, with very small interindividual distances, while the difference with repect to the srrm3 mutant group (Video S2) is dramatic. We nonetheless agree that this decision on the experimental design should be clearly stated in the main text and figure legend and we have done so in the revised version.
(2) Referring to srrm3+/+; srrm4-/- controls for double mutant behavior as "WT for simplicity" is somewhat misleading. Why do the authors not refer to these as srrm4 single mutants?
This comment applies to Figure 4 as well as the associated figure supplements. We reasoned that this made the understanding of plots easier, but the Reviewer is correct that it can be misleading. As a middle ground, we have now changed Figure 4 to follow the nomenclature of Figure 3D (WD, HD, DD), which is further explained in the legend, but kept the original format in the figure supplements for consistency with the (many) other plots in those figures.
(3) It's not completely clear how "neurally regulated" microexons are defined / how they are different from "neural microexons"? Are these terms interchangeable?
Yes, they are interchangeable. We have now double checked the wording to avoid confusion and for consistency.
(4) Overexpression experiments driving srrm3 / srrm4 in HEK293 cells are not described in the methods.
We apologized for this omission. We now briefly describe the data and asscoiated methods in more detail in the revised version; however, please note that the data was obtained from a previous publication (Torres-Mendez et al, 2019), where the detailed methodology is reported.
(5) Suggest including more information on how neurite length was calculated. In representative images, it appears difficult to determine which neurites arise from which soma, as they cross extensively. How was this addressed in the quantification?
We have added further details to the revised version. With regards to the specific question, we would like to mention that this has not been a very common issue for the time points used in the manuscript (10 hap and 24 hap). At those stages, it was nearly always evident how to track each individual neurite. Dubious cases were simply ignored and not measured, as we aimed for 100 neurites per well. Of course, such complex cases become much more common at later time points (48 and 72 hap), which were not used in this study.
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
Summary:
This manuscript explores in zebrafish the impact of genetic manipulation of individual microexons and two regulators of microexon inclusion (Srrm3 and Srrm4). The authors compare molecular, anatomical, and behavioral phenotypes in larvae and juvenile fish. The authors test the hypothesis that phenotypes resulting from Srrm3 and 4 mutations might in part be attributable to individual microexon deletions in target genes.
The authors uncover substantial alterations in in vitro neurite growth, locomotion, and social behavior in Srrm mutants but not any of the individual microexon deletion mutants. The individual mutations are accompanied by broader transcript level changes which may resemble compensatory changes. Ultimately, the authors conclude that the severe Srrm3/4 phenotypes result from additive and/or synergistic effects due to the de-regulation of multiple microexons.
Strengths:
The work is carefully planned, well-described, and beautifully displayed in clear, intuitive figures. The overall scope is extensive with a large number of individual mutant strains examined. The analysis bridges from molecular to anatomical and behavioral read-outs. Analysis appears rigorous and most conclusions are well-supported by the data.
Overall, addressing the function of microexons in an in vivo system is an important and timely question.
Weaknesses:
The main weakness of the work is the interpretation of the social behavior phenotypes in the Srrm mutants. It is difficult to conclude that the mutations indeed impact social behavior rather than sensory processing and/or vision which precipitates apparent social alterations as a secondary consequence. Interpreting the phenotypes as "autism-like" is not supported by the data presented.
The Reviewer is absolutely right. It was not our intention to imply that these social defects should be interpreted simply as autistic-like. It is indeed very likely that the main reason for the social alterations displayed by the srrm3 mutants is their impaired vision. We have now added this discussion point explicitly in the revised version.
Reviewer #3 (Public review):
Summary:
Microexons are highly conserved alternative splice variants, the individual functions of which have thus far remained mostly elusive. The inclusion of microexons in mature mRNAs increases during development, specifically in neural tissues, and is regulated by SRRM proteins. Investigation of individual microexon function is a vital avenue of research since microexon inclusion is disrupted in diseases like autism. This study provides one of the first rigorous screens (using zebrafish larvae) of the functions of individual microexons in neurodevelopment and behavioural control. The authors precisely excise 21 microexons from the genome of zebrafish using CRISPR-Cas9 and assay the downstream impacts on neurite outgrowth, larvae motility, and sociality. A small number of mild phenotypes were observed, which contrasts with the more dramatic phenotypes observed when microexon master regulators SRRM3/4 are disrupted. Importantly, this study attempts to address the reasons why mild/few phenotypes are observed and identify transcriptomic changes in microexon mutants that suggest potential compensatory gene regulatory mechanisms.
Strengths:
(1) The manuscript is well written with excellent presentation of the data in the figures.
(2) The experimental design is rigorous and explained in sufficient detail.
(3) The identification of a potential microexon compensatory mechanism by transcriptional alterations represents a valued attempt to begin to explain complex genetic interactions.
(4) Overall this is a study with a robust experimental design that addresses a gap in knowledge of the role of microexons in neurodevelopment.
Thank you very much for your positive comments to our manuscript.
Reviewer #1 (Recommendations for the authors):
Minor Suggestions
(1) Axes are often scaled differently even between panels in the same figure. For example in Figure 5 - supplement 10, the srrm3_17 y axis scales from 0-20, while the neighboring panels scale from ~1-2.5. This somewhat underrepresents the finding that srrm3 mutants have much larger inter-individual distances. Similarly, in the panel above (src_1), the y-axis is scaled to include a single point around 17cm. As a result, it appears at first glance that the src_1 trials resulted in much lower inter-individual distance. Suggest scaling all of these the same to improve readability.
While the Reviewer is certainly correct, after careful consideration we decided to have autoscaled axis to prioritize within-plot visualization (i.e. among genotypes within an experiment) than across plots (i.e. among experiments and lines).
(2) Attention to italicizing gene names.
Thanks.
(3) In many points in the methods, we are instructed to "see below." Suggest directing the reader to a particular section heading.
We found only one such instance, and we directed the reader to the specific section, as suggested.
(4) In Methods, remove "in the corpus callosum." This is not an accurate descriptor for the site at which Mauthner axons cross.
This is absolutely correct, apologies for this mistake.
Clarify:
(1) In the results section, "tissue-specific regulation was validated..." - suggest mentioning that this was performed in adult tissues / describe dissection in the methods.
Added.
(2) In the results section, the meaning of "no event ortholog" is not clear. Does this mean that a microexon does not have a human homolog? If so, suggest stating more clearly.
Correct. We have added addition information.
(3) In the results, the authors state that 78% of microexons are affected by srrm3/4 loss-offunction. Suggest stating the method used here (e.g. RNA-seq in mutants as compared to siblings)
Added.
(4) It is not clear what "siblings for the main founders means" for example in 3D. Is this effectively the analysis of microexon knockouts across multiple independent lines? Are the lines pooled for stats, for example in 3C?
The main founder correspond to that listed as _1 and as default for experiments when only one found is used. We now explicitely state this.
For 3C, the lines are not pooled for stats; the stats correspond only to the main founder for each line. However, for each main founder line, multiple experiments are usually analyzed together and the stats are done taking their data structure into account (i.e. not simply pooling the values).
(5) The purpose and a general description of NanoBRET assays should be included in the results.
We added the main purpose of the NanoBRET assays (testing protein-protein interactions).
(6) Specify that baseline behavior is analyzed in the light.
Added.
(7) In Figure 4A, adult fish are schematized being placed into a 96-well plate. Suggest using the larval diagram as in Figure 6 for accuracy.
Done.
(8) In Figure 4, plot titles could be made more accessible, especially in 4 F. Suggest removing extraneous information / italicizing gene names, etc. In G, suggest writing out Baseline, Dark, and Light to make it more accessible. Same in 4B.
We have implemented some of the suggestions. In particular, italics were not used, since we are referring to the founder line, not the gene.
(9) Figure 6 legend B - after (barplots), suggest inserting the word "and", to make clear that barplots indicate host gene *and* closely related paralogs are indicated by dots.
Done.
(10) In methods: "To better capture all microexons..." This sentence is difficult to understand. Suggested edit: "we excluded *from our calculation?* tissues with known or expected partial overlap... from comparison (for example, ...).
Done.
(11) In the methods, "which were defined with similar parameters but -min_rep 2." Suggest spelling this out, e.g. "with similar parameters, but requiring sufficient read coverage in at least n=2 samples per valid tissue group, whereas we only required one.".
Done.
(12) RNA was extracted for event and knockout validations. What does event mean here?
Event refers to the validation of the exon regulatory pattern in WT tissues. We added this information.
Provide definitions for abbreviations:
(1) (Figure 6) Delta corrected VST Expression.
Done.
(2) "Mic-hosting genes" paralogs.
Done.
(3) In Figure 1F, "emic" is not defined.
Done.
Misspellings:
All corrected.
(1) Figure 6B (percentile is spelled percentil).
(2) Figure 6B legend (bottom or top decile*).
(3) Figure 6D - Schizophrenia* genes.
(4) In Zebrafish husbandry and genotyping: suggest "srrm3 mutants grew more slowly.".
(5) In results, "reduced body size at 90pdf" > 90dpf.
Reviewer #2 (Recommendations for the authors):
(1) Characterization of microexon mutants (Figure 2): The semi-quantitative PCR with flanking primers (Figure 2, supplement1) is well-suited to assess successful deletion of the exon and enables detection of potential mis-splicing around the alternative segment. However, it does not quantify the impact on total transcript levels. The authors should complement those experiments with qPCR measures of the transcript levels - otherwise, it is difficult to link mutant phenotypes to isoforms (as opposed to alterations in the level of gene expression). This point is somewhat addressed in Figure 6 by the RNA Seq analysis but it might help to add data specifically in Figure 2.
As the Reviewer says, this point is explicitely addressed in Figure 6, where were show the change in the host gene's expression that follows the the removal of some microexons. We prefer to keep this in Figure 6, for consistency, as we believe this is not a direct (regulatory) consequence of the removal, but more likely a compensation effect.
(2) Social behavior alterations in juvenile fish: The authors report "increased leadership" in Srrm3 mutant fish. However, these fish have impaired vision. Thus, "increased leadership" may simply reflect the fact that they do not perceive their conspecifics and, thus, do not follow them. The heterozygous conspecific will then mostly follow the Srrm3 mutant which appears as the mutant exhibiting an increase in leadership. Figure 5D suggests that Srrm3 del and het fish have the same ratio of "neighbor in front" which would be consistent with the hypothesis that the change in this metric is a consequence of a loss of following behavior due to a loss of vision. The authors should either adjust the discussion of this point or assess with additional experiments whether this is indeed a "social phenotype" or rather a secondary consequence of a loss of vision.
The Reviewer is absolutely correct, and we have thus modified the short discussion directly related to these patterns.
(3) The discussion centers on potential reasons why only mild phenotypes are observed in the single microexon mutants. One caveat of the phenotypic analysis provided in the manuscript is that it does not very deeply explore the phenotypic space of neuronal morphologies or circuit function. The behavioral and anatomical read-outs are rather coarse. There are no experiments exploring fine-structure of neuronal projections in vivo or synapse number, morphology, or function. Moreover, no attempts are made to explore which cell types normally express the microexons to potentially focus the loss-of-function analysis to these specific cell types. Of course, such analysis would substantially expand the scope of a study that already covers a large number of mutant alleles. However, the authors may want to add a discussion of these limitations in the manuscript.
The Reviewer is correct. We aimed at covering this when referring to "(i) we may not be assessing the traits that these microexons are impacting, (ii) we may not have the sensitivity to robustly measure the magnitude of the changes caused by microexon removal". We have now added some of the specific points raised by the Reviewer as examples.
(4) Note typos in Figure 6D: "schizoFrenia", "WNT signIalling"
Done.
Reviewer #3 (Recommendations for the authors):
I only have a few minor suggestions for the authors.
(1) It is interesting that a not insignificant number of microexon deletions (3/21) result in cryptic inclusions of intron fragments, and perhaps alludes to an as yet unreported molecular function of microexons in the regulation of host gene expression. Is it possible that microexon inclusion in these 3 genes could be important for expression? I think this requires some further discussion, as (if I'm not mistaken) microexons have thus far only been hypothesised to act as modulators of protein function, not as gene regulatory units.
While we see that microexon removal can impact expression of the host gene (Figure 6), this is likely a compensatory mechanism (or so we suggest). We do not think these three cases are related to a putative physiological regulation, since the cryptic exons appear only in the deletion line. On the contrary, we think these are "regulatory artifacts" that originate in the nonWT mutated context. I.e. we removed the exon but some splicing signals remained in the intron, which are then recoginized by the spliceosome that incorrectly includes a different piece of the intron.
(2) The flow of the text accompanying the molecular investigation of microexon function for evi5b and vav in Figure 3 could be improved. The text currently fades out with a speculative explanation for the lack of evi5b interaction phenotype. This final sentence could be moved to the discussion and replaced with a more general summary of the data.
We have now swapped the order in which these results are described and leave out the discussion about evi5b's microexon function.
(3) Is this a co-submission with Calhoun et al? If so, both papers should reference each other in the discussion and discuss the relative contributions of each.
Done
(4) "1 × 104 cells" in methods Nanobret paragraph should be superscript.
Done
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Though my research is mainly focused on rehabilitation without the use of surgeries I thought that I might take a look at the other strategies and try to compare them to a non-surgical standpoint. This point is important in showing that younger people respond better to rehabilitation and recover at a greater speed than older people. Not only does their activity level, pertaining to exercise, matter, but the state of body matters. Age, exercise level, and follow up, which most people wont do if they believe that the surgery/rehabilitation otherwise will be quick and easy. But it is a process that patients fail to adhere to because of misconceptions in recovery; fears, beliefs, motivations, etc.
Although joint pain is a common concomitant of OA, this symptom is not correlated with the size of the articular-cartilage lesion, and the mechanism underlying its generation is largely unknown
This shows that while pain coincides with OA, it is not the signifier that severity of the articular cartilage lesion, most common in OA cases, is getting any worse as the pain increases. Patients often figure that pain=more harm.
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Cette vidéo présente la 8ème Journée Départementale de la Parentalité à Agde en 2022, avec une conférence d'Isabelle Roskam. Elle aborde le burn-out parental et les défis de la parentalité au 21e siècle, en mettant l'accent sur les pressions sociétales et les attentes envers les parents.
Points forts: + [00:00:06][^3^][3] Introduction d'Isabelle Roskam * Présentation de son parcours professionnel * Expérience en psychologie du développement et recherche sur le burn-out parental * Auteur d'ouvrages sur la parentalité + [00:01:47][^4^][4] La parentalité et les émotions positives * La perception culturelle de la parentalité associée au bonheur * Les défis et le stress liés à l'éducation des enfants * La difficulté d'exprimer les aspects négatifs de la parentalité + [00:07:05][^5^][5] Parentalité comme un travail exigeant * Comparaison de la parentalité à un emploi sans possibilité de démission * L'évolution des rôles de genre et les défis de la coparentalité * L'impact des valeurs individualistes sur la parentalité + [00:10:38][^6^][6] Changements sociétaux affectant la parentalité * L'influence de la contraception et le concept de l'enfant choisi * L'évolution du statut de l'enfant et les droits de l'enfant * Les responsabilités parentales décrites dans la Convention internationale des droits de l'enfant + [00:16:57][^7^][7] Développement des sciences psychologiques et éducation * Pression sur les parents à travers les médias et les professionnels * L'importance de l'engagement parental et les recommandations sur la bonne parentalité * La nouvelle pression historique sur les parents et leurs responsabilités + [00:19:02][^8^][8] Le glissement vers le burn-out parental * La différence entre la pression sociétale et le burn-out parental * Description du burn-out parental et ses symptômes * L'importance de l'investissement parental et le contraste avec le burn-out Résumé de la vidéo [00:24:17][^1^][1] - [00:44:58][^2^][2]:
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Points forts: + [00:45:00][^3^][3] Contraste entre la parentalité en 1982 et 2019 * Pression pour répondre à tous les besoins des enfants * Différences dans les attentes et les pratiques éducatives * Humour pour souligner les changements sociétaux + [00:46:25][^4^][4] Parentalité solitaire dans la société moderne * Individualisme et réticence à demander de l'aide * Importance de partager les responsabilités parentales * Nécessité de soutien communautaire et informel + [00:50:11][^5^][5] Réflexion sur les sociétés collectivistes * Comparaison avec les modèles éducatifs où l'enfant est élevé par la communauté * Discussion sur l'adaptation des sociétés occidentales à ces modèles * Soutien formel et informel et leur impact sur la parentalité + [00:59:31][^6^][6] Équilibre personnel et parentalité * Gestion du stress parental et importance de maintenir une identité diversifiée * Rôle du travail et de la carrière dans la prévention de l'épuisement parental * Influence du nombre d'enfants et de la dynamique familiale sur le bien-être parental
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Voyant est un outil très grand public, dont il ne fonctionne peut-être pas très bien pour des corpus très spécifiques. Mais il prend en charge plein de langues, voici la liste de la documentation : Arabic Bosnian Croatian Czech English French German Hebrew Italian Japanese Portuguese Russian Serbian Spanish J'ai testé pour le chinois ces dernières années, ça s'est beaucoup amélioré.
À la différence des consortiums centrés sur des corpus européens et/ou des graphies latines, nos approches computationnelles s’enracinent dans nos expertises en études aréales. Nos pipelines sont conçus à partir de projets exigeant des compétences linguistiques et paléographiques spécifiques — par exemple la lecture des cartes historiques de l’Empire ottoman ou des textes en écritures non latines. Ces expertises sont déterminantes pour produire des représentations vectorielles de qualité, concevoir l’architecture des schémas de métadonnées et évaluer la robustesse des modèles d’IA appliqués à nos co
Je ne sais pas si j'ai écrit ça, mais ça ne me paraît pas juste : les spécialistes de corpus en latin, allemand ou espagnol s'appuient sur des compétences spécifiques pour analyser leur corpus, tout autant que nous. Ce n'est pas "plus difficile" ni ne demande plus d'expertise parce que c'est du chinois, de l'ottoman ou de l'arabe.
Een getallendictee waarbij het eerst genoemde getal pas genoteerd mag worden, als het tweede getal gezegd is. Het tweede getal wordt genoteerd als het derde genoemd is. Enzovoort. e De kinderen staan in een kring, een leerling staat in het midden. Deze leerling werpt een bal naar een andere leerling en noemt een getal. De leerling die nu de bal vangt moet de bal teruggooien en het getal met twee vermeerderen. De volgende leerling die de bal toegeworpen krijgt en daarbij ook een nieuw getal hoort, moet van het nieuwe getal drie aftrekken. Dan weer twee erbij en vervolgens drie eraf, enzovoort. ° Kinderen staan in een carré en zeggen een tafel van vermeniguvuldiging op. Ze zeggen alleen de antwoorden en zetten tevens per antwoord een stap; bijvoorbeeld 6, 12, 18, 24 ... Eén leerling staat frontaal voor de groep en geeft na teder getal van de groep een ander antwoord, ook vergezeld van een stap en -speciaal voor deze leerling- het woordje ‘nee’.
werkvormen voor rekenen
They wash their feet in soda water Et O ces voix d’enfants, chantant dans la coupole!
These two lines stick out to me as references to spiritual redemption and innocence. First, the washing of feet in soda water draws a remarkable parallel to the biblical scene of Jesus washing the feet of his disciples. In addition to demonstrating humility and selfless compassion towards others, washing involves the cleansing of dirt from the skin, which could also, by extension, mean the cleansing of sin or guilt from the soul. However, in "The Waste Land", Mrs. Porter and her daughter "wash their feet in soda water"- a fragment which, I discovered upon further research, originates from a vulgar soldier's WWI song (line 199). The vulgarity of the song, the change to "soda water", and the grotesque scenery of the waste land indicate that this act of foot washing is not indicative of any act of spiritual cleansing or redemption at all: humanity has fallen, but ignores the path towards good.
In the next part of the highlighted text, "et O ces voix d’enfants, chantant dans la coupole!", most nearly translates to "And, O those children’s voices singing in the dome!" (line 202). The excerpt, taken from Paul Verlaine's poem “Parsifal”, emphasizes the good and innocence inherent in the tale's protagonist, which leads to his ability to receive the Holy Grail and heal the wounded king. This further adds to the notion of spiritual redemption and innocence as appearing as parodic versions of themselves, thus expanding upon Eliot's larger theme of the loss of spirituality in TWL.
nihilismes
proposition : "petites compromissions" (ce qui fait plus sens avec la phrase d'après)
Le symbole de la forêt demeure. Entre les deux rives de cette forêt, Bernard et Geert. Aujourd’hui, c’est à nous de traverser la forêt, d’aller les uns vers les autres, et d’inventer ensemble les chemins d’un autre réseau.
Trop bien
l’entropie des âmes
nooon ni les âmes ni l'entropie des âmes n'existe haha
au pire tu peux parler de l'entropisation de nos esprits, dans le sens de leur standardisation ?
S'il me semble important d'être clair sur l'entropie, ce n'est pas par "académisme", mais parce qu'on nous a bcp reproché d'en faire un nouveau "mal" vs le "bien" de la néguentropie - ce qui est faux du point de vue du vivant (pas de vivant sans entropie, cf Giuseppe Longo, Maël Montévil et Marie Chollat-Namy) et catégorisation morale qui est plus de l'ordre du précepte religieux que de la pensée philosophique
Pas une joie factice, dopamine distribuée par des plateformes addictives, mais une joie analogue à celle de l’enfant qui découvre le monde.
Exactement ! Sur ça, voir Jeu et créativité de Donald Winnicott et ce qu'il dit de la créativité de l'enfant, "ce qui fait que la vie vaut la peine d'être vécue"
Comment inventer des algorithmes qui ne calculent pas la tristesse, mais qui organisent la joie ?
mmm ça ne me semble pas binaire sur ce plan-là - tiktok et instagram ne calculent pas ma tristesse mais essaient plutôt d'augmenter mon taux de dopamine, donc aussi de "joie" ?
Proposition : "Comment envisager des algorithmes qui appuient l'individuation psychique et collective, au lieu de la court-circuiter ? C'est-à-dire aussi une authentique joie ?"
pour reprendre la formule magnifique d’Henri Bergson ?
note de bas de page ?
nihilistes
depuis quelques mois, en rédigeant l'article "desaffection et absolutisation", je me rend compte que l'on ne peut pas trop utiliser ce mot pour parler de ceux qui sont attirés par le néant. En fait selon Nietzsche, depuis la mort de Dieu, on est tous nihilistes, dans le sens où on est tous dans un processus douloureux de transvaluation (de renouvellement des valeurs) ... Parler plutôt des "indifférents" ou quelque chose comme ça ?
Chose paradoxale : il suffirait pourtant que tout un chacun adopte des comportements singuliers pour que l’effet de masse baisse, les revenus du capital avec.
peut-être bien mais attention à "l'argument colibri" : le capital organise l'addiction de masse, il faut le rappeler comme ce qui complique cette adoption de comportements singuliers dont tu parles, et la sortie des plateformes en général
et d’Épokhè
alors techniquement il n'était plus là pour être le fondateur d'Épokhè - dire plutôt "dont est Épokhè est la poursuite" ou qq chose comme ça ?
core, semiperipheral, and peripheral countries.
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stats.table <- tidy(cor_results) stats.table %>% dplyr::mutate( estimate = round(estimate, 2), statistic = round(statistic, 2), ic_95 = paste0("[", round(conf.low, 2), ",", round(conf.high, 2), "]"), stars = gtools::stars.pval(p.value), p_value = case_when( p.value < 0.05 & p.value > 0.01 ~ "< 0.05", p.value < 0.01 & p.value > 0.001 ~ "< 0.01", p.value < 0.001 ~ "< 0.001", TRUE ~ "" ), p_value = paste0(p_value, stars) ) %>% dplyr::select(estimate, statistic, p_value, parameter, method, alternative, ic_95) %>% kableExtra::kable( col.names = c("Estimación", "t", "p-value", "df", "Método", "Alternativa", "95% IC"), booktabs = T ) %>% kableExtra::kable_styling( bootstrap_options = c("striped", "hover", "condensed", "responsive"), full_width = T, latex_options = "hold_position", position = "center" )
Para que corra este código es necesario el paquete gtools, porque sino sale error, sugiero agregar la instalación del paquete antes de esto o al inicio.
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Reviewer #1
Evidence, reproducibility and clarity
SUMMARY
In this study, Fernandes and colleagues addressed the question of the role of micro-RNAs in regulating the coupling between organ growth and developmental timing. Using Drosophila, they identified the conserved micro-RNA miR-184 as a regulator of the developmental transition between juvenile larval stages and metamorphosis. This transition is under the control of the steroid hormone Ecdysone, and has been shown to be modulated in case of abnormal tissue growth to adjust the duration of larval growth in response to developmental perturbations. The relaxin-like hormone Dilp8 has been identified as a key secreted factor involved in this coupling. Here, the authors show that miR-184 is involved in the regulation of Dilp8 expression both in physiological conditions and upon growth perturbation. They propose that this function is carried out in imaginal tissues, where miR-184 levels are modulated by tissue stress. While several factors have already been involved in triggering sharp dilp8 induction at the transcriptional level, this study adds another level of complexity to the regulation of Dilp8 by proposing that its expression is fine-tunned post-transcriptionally through repression by miR-184.
__MAJOR COMMENTS______
Overall, the manuscript is well organized, and the logics of the experimental plan well presented. The results are clear, and I appreciate the quality of the pupariation curves. However, I believe that two main conclusions of the paper are not fully supported by the results presented in the figures: the direct regulation of dilp8 3'UTR by miR-184, and the specificity of this regulation in imaginal discs. Here I develop in more details these two aspects.
Comment 1) The strategy of the 3'UTR sensor is not fully optimized. Indeed, in most experiments, qRT-PCR is used to assess dilp8 expression levels, although it reflects both transcriptional and post-transcriptional. Importantly, to show that post-transcriptional regulation is involved in the response to tissue damage, the levels of the 3'UTR sensor should be analyzed in discs expressing RAcs (showing at the same time that the response is cell-autonomous in the discs). The expected upregulation of the sensor should be prevented by simultaneous expression of miR-184. This approach would shed light on the relative contribution of transcriptional versus post-transcriptional regulation of dilp8 in response to growth perturbation.
Response: We thank the reviewer for this comment. We agree that qRT-PCRs do not distinguish between transcriptional and post-transcriptional changes of dilp8 levels, in response to changes in miR-184 levels and tissue damage. In addition to the qRT-PCR data we have looked at dilp8-3’UTR-GFP reporter in response to overexpression of miR-184 in the wingdisc using patched-Gal4 driver, which show downregulation of the GFP reporter in the ptc domain (Fig 4C-D’). This suggests that dilp8 mRNA is a direct target of miR-184 by post-transcriptional regulation through its 3’UTR. Further, to confirm the specificity of the effect of miR-184 on dilp8-3’UTR, we generated a dilp8-3’UTR mutant in which the single target site for miR-184 was mutated. We show that the mutated dilp8-3’UTR reporter doesn’t show any regulation in response to miR-184 overexpression in the ptc domain of the wingdisc (Fig. 4E, E’, F, F’). This experiment confirms the specificity of the dilp8-3’UTR regulation by miR-184.
As suggested by the reviewer we analysed dilp8-3’UTR-GFP reporter expression by overexpressing RicinA using ptcGAL4 driver in the wing imaginal disc (Fig. S6F-G’). We observed a slight but consistent increase in the dilp8-3’UTR-GFP reporter expression, indicating post-transcriptional regulation of dilp8 expression in response to tissue damage. However, the increase of reporter GFP levels observed in this experiment in response to tissue damage is mild (Fig. S6F-G’) than expected based on the qRT-PCR results (Fig S6A and B). We have added this new data to the manuscript (Fig. S6F-G’).
We propose the following reasons to explain this result:
a) both transcriptional and post-transcriptional regulation of dilp8 mRNA in response to developmental perturbations
b) the data on 3’UTR reporter GFP is specifically from the ptc domain expression of RicinA, whereas for dilp8 transcript levels we have expressed RicinA in all larval imaginal tissues, or in the entire wing imaginal disc, which could be one of the reasons for the stronger effect seen on dilp8 mRNA levels
c) we are not certain if the tubulin-promoter driven dilp8-3’UTR GFP reporter reflects post-transcriptional regulation of dilp8 by miR-184 efficiently in comparison to qRT-PCR. This is especially as the reporter-GFP-3’UTR will be expressed at very high levels due to the tubulin promoter, a majority of this reporter-GFP mRNA may not be relieved from degradation due to the moderate suppression of miR-184 in response to RicinA overexpression.
Thus, our experiments suggest that dilp8 levels are regulated post-transcriptionally by miR-184 which contributes to pupariation delays in response to tissue damage. In support of this, we could rescue pupariation delays and dilp8 induction caused by RicinA expression using overexpression of miR-184 (Figs 5B, C). Thus, we confirm that the effect of post-transcriptional regulation by miR-184 during developmental perturbations also contributes to dilp8 induction and pupariation delays. Unfortunately, due to experimental limitations we could not perform simultaneous expression of RicinA and miR-184 to evaluate the rescue of dilp8-3’UTR-GFP sensor expression. The levels of dilp8-3’UTR sensor GFP is reduced efficiently by miR-184 overexpression (Fig 4D), which prevented us from attempting the rescue of the moderate increase of dilp8-3’UTR GFP levels in response to RicinA.
Comment 2) In my opinion, the use of a 3'UTR sensor is not sufficient to conclude that the regulation by miR-184 is direct, as miR-184 could also regulate an intermediate factor that acts on dilp8 post-transcriptional regulation. To solve this issue, a common strategy is to generate a 3'UTR sensor with mutated binding sites that should abolish the regulation by miR-184. This mutated 3'UTR might also respond differently to tissue damage, which would strongly support the conclusions of the study.
Response: We couldn’t agree more with the reviewer, this comment is addressed in the response to comment 1. We have confirmed the specificity of regulation of dilp8-3’UTR by miR-184 using target site mutated dilp8-3’UTR (new figures added to the manuscript Fig. 4E, E’, F, F’). We tested if the changes in dilp8 mRNA levels in response to tissue damage is post-transcriptional mediated by miR-184. We observe that there is a slight, but consistent increase of dilp8-3’UTR GFP reporter levels in the ptc domain of wingdisc in response to RicinA expression, suggesting a role for miR-184 mediated post-translational regulation of dilp8. However, we have not yet tested the mutated dilp8-3’UTR GFP reporter in response to tissue damage.
Comment 3) Concerning the tissue-specific regulation of Dilp8 by miR-184, these results need to be strengthened. Indeed, this comes mostly from phenotypes observed with rn-GAL4. Although this is a classical tool for driving expression in imaginal discs, rn-GAL4 also drives strong expression in other tissues that could contribute to triggering a delay, such as the CNS and part of the gut (proventriculus). In our hands, some growth phenotypes in the wing obtained with rn-GAL4 could be fully reverted by blocking GAL4 in the CNS indicating that the phenotype was not wing-specific. Importantly, miR-184 seems to be highly expressed in the CNS according to FlyBase, reinforcing the possibility that it plays a role in this organ. Here I propose approaches to confirm that miR-184 mediated regulation of dilp8 and developmental timing indeed occur in the discs:
- Another driver with less secondary expression sites could be used (pdmR11F02-GAL4), or rn-GAL4 could be combined with an elav-GAL80 to prevent expression in most neurons. - The authors could identify the source of Dilp8 upregulation in miR-184 mutants using tissue-specific qRT-PCR instead of whole larvae expression like in Fig 4A-B. - This tissue-specific upregulation could be functionally tested using a rescue experiment, in which the delay observed in miR-184 mutants could be rescued by disc-specific downregulation of Dilp8 (using pdm2-GAL4 for instance).
Response: We are thankful to the reviewer, and agree that it is important to show that the effects that we see using rn-Gal4 are specific to imaginal discs, and not due to an effect in CNS. We tested this by expressing miR-184 sponge in the CNS. Though miR-184 is highly expressed in the larval CNS, downregulation of miR-184 specifically in the pan-neuronal background using elav-GAL4 led to no effects on pupariation timepoint. We have added this as supplementary data Figure S4. Therefore, we believe that the miR-184 downregulation phenotype in the rnGAL4 background can be mainly attributed to its role in the imaginal discs. In addition, as suggested by the reviewer we have also demonstrated that downregulation of miR-184 in the imaginal discs using rnGAL4 driver leads to an increase in dilp8 expression (Fig S5B). Thus confirming that dilp8 mRNA is enhanced in the imaginal discs by blocking miR-184.
OPTIONAL: Because it is known that dilp8 is strongly regulated at the transcriptional level, the relative input from post-transcriptional upregulation is an important question arising from this study. Although it might be a more long-term approach, I believe that generating a Dilp8 mutant lacking its 3'UTR or, even better, with mutated miR-184 binding sites, would shed light on the role of this regulation for the response to growth perturbation and/or developmental stability (fluctuating asymmetry).
Response: We thank the reviewer for the suggestion. This would have been an interesting experiment to carry out especially in the context of fluctuating asymmetry.
MINOR COMMENTS
__ I think that a number of results could be moved to SI as they are either controls, or reproduce published data without bringing novelty. For instance, results in Fig 5A-D are similar to data published by Sanchez et al, as stated in the text. Fig6A as well.__
__Response: __We thank the reviewer for this suggestion, Fig. 5A-D, and F has been moved to Fig. S6A-E. We have also moved data from Fig. 6 to Fig. 5, as a result Fig 6 A-D has become Fig. 5 B-D.
__ Fig 6D is quite mysterious, as it suggests that basal JNK activation regulates miR-184, which is different from a context of tissue damage. I think that this result could be removed. Alternatively, if the authors want to dig in that direction, more experiments should be provided, such as bskDN expression in an RAcs context and the effects on miR-184 levels and the 3'UTR sensor (since transcript levels are already published).__
Response: We would like to clarify that our experiments suggest that endogenous JNK signalling negatively regulates miR-184, as blocking basal JNK signalling using bskDN increased the levels of miR-184 (changed to Fig 5D). Enhanced JNK signalling has been reported to be involved in tissue damage responses, and we propose that RicinA mediated increase in JNK signalling leads to the reduction of miR-184 (changed to Fig 5A, S6D-E). However, we are not strongly implying this as we did not co-express RicinA and bskDN to show that JNK signalling is responsible for the drop in miR-184 levels in response to tissue damage. We thank the reviewer for seeking this explanation, we have rewritten the results section to improve clarity.
__ The references related to Dilp8 should be checked more in detail in the intro and discussion. About Dilp8 and developmental stability: remove the ref to Colombani et al 2012, instead put Boone et al 2016 and add Blanco-Obregon et al 2022 (in addition to Garelli et al 2012 who initially identified this phenotype. About Lgr3 as the receptor for Dilp8: add Colombani et al, Current Biology 2015, and cite here Vallejo et al 2015, Garelli et al 2015. Among the important transcriptional regulators of Dilp8, Xrp1 could be mentioned (Boulan et al 2019, Destefanis et al 2022) as it plays a complementary function to JNK depending on the type of tissue stress.__
__Response: __We are really sorry for the glaring errors in citing appropriate references. We thank the reviewer for correcting this for us. We have made necessary changes to the text.
Significance
GENERAL ASSESSMENT This study provides convincing data showing that the conserved microRNA miR-184 plays a role in regulating developmental timing in Drosophila through modulating the levels of Dilp8, a key factor in the coupling between tissue growth and developmental transitions. The results are convincing, but the general conclusions of the paper need to be strengthened regarding the direct regulation of dilp8 by miR-184 and the tissue-specificity of this interaction.
ADVANCE Dilp8 is a key factor that modulates growth and timing in response to developmental perturbations and contributes to developmental precision in physiological conditions. As such, its regulation has been studied by different groups in the last decade, leading to the identification of several inputs for its transcriptional regulation. Here, the authors uncover a post-transcriptional regulation by miR-184, adding another level of regulation of Dilp8 that contribute to ensuring proper regulation of developmental timing, and opening the possibility that miR-184 might play similar roles in other species.
AUDIENCE This study is of interest for researchers in the field of basic science, with a focus on developmental timing, tissue damage and biological function of microRNAs.
REVIEWER EXPERTISE Drosophila, growth control, developmental timing, Dilp8.
Reviewer #2
Evidence, reproducibility and clarity
Drosophila has helped to characterize the mechanisms that coordinate tissue growth with developmental timing. The insulin/relaxin-like peptide Dilp8 has been identified as a key factor that communicates the abnormal growth status of larval imaginal discs to neuroendocrine neurons responsible for regulating the timing of metamorphosis. Dilp8, derived from imaginal discs, targets four Lgr3-positive neurons in the central nervous system, activating cyclic-AMP signaling in an Lgr3-dependent manner. This signaling pathway reduces the production of the molting hormone, ecdysone, delaying the onset of metamorphosis. Simultaneously, the growth rates of healthy imaginal tissues slow down, enabling the development of proportionate individuals.
In this manuscript "miR-184 modulates dilp8 to control developmental timing during normal growth conditions and in response to developmental perturbations" by Dr. Varghese and colleagues, the authors identify a new post transcriptional regulator of Dilp8. The authors show that miR-184 plays a pivotal role in tissue damage responses by inducing dilp8 expression, which in turn delays pupariation to allow sufficient time for damage repair mechanisms to take effect.
Major points:
Comment 1) In most of the experiments for percentage of pupariation, the 50% pupariation in control is around 110 hours AED in figures 1, 2 and 3. In figures 5 and 6 using the UAS Ricin, the controls are more around 90 hours AED. Why this discrepancy?
Response: We thank the reviewer for asking for this clarification. The former experiments for Figs 1-3 were carried out at 25oC while the latter experiments with a cold sensitive version of RicinA (UAS-RAcs), Figs 5 and 6 (now changed to Figs. 5 and S6 as suggested by reviewer #1) were carried out at 29oC (permissive temperature). This difference in temperature has led to alterations in pupariation timing. We apologise for not having mentioned this in the text, now we have made necessary corrections to the methods section clearly indicating this.
Comment 2) What is the mechanism behind the expression of miR-184 in stress conditions? Is miR-184 also implicated in other conditions giving rise to a developmental delay (X-rays irradiation or animal bearing rasV12, scrib-/- tumors)?
Response: We thank the reviewer for these questions.
a) In response to developmental perturbations by RicinA, we believe that activation of JNK signalling controls miR-184 expression. We propose this as our experiments show that imaginal disc damage leads to enhancement of JNK signalling and increase in dilp8 mRNA levels (as reported earlier by Colombani et al 2012; Sánchez et al 2019), and a simultaneous reduction of miR-184 (Figs. S6A, D, E). We also have performed new experiments to show that in response to RicinA expression in the wingdisc there is moderate increase in the dilp8-3’UTR-GFP sensor expression (Figs. S6F-G’), indicating a post-transcriptional regulation of dilp8 expression in response to tissue stress. We also show that RicinA induced dilp8 expression and pupariation delay can be rescued by increasing miR-184 levels (Fig 5B and C), suggesting that the reduction of miR-184 in response to tissue damage contributes to the damage responses. In a separate experiment we show that blocking the endogenous JNK pathway by the expression of bskDN enhances miR-184 levels, suggesting that miR-184 is under the regulation of JNK signalling (Fig 5D). Hence, we speculate that during tissue stress, activation of JNK signalling leads to a reduction of miR-184 levels which contributes to regulating the levels of dilp8 post-transcriptionally and resulting in pupariation delays. The text has been modified to explain this better.
b) In a previous paper by Shu et al., 2017 (https://doi.org/10.18632/oncotarget.22226) decreased expression of miR-184 was observed in a lglRNAi; RasV12 tumor background. Apart from this various studies have shown that dilp8 levels increase in response to tumour, radiation stress, apoptosis, and tissue damage (Yeom et al 2021, Ray et al 2019, Demay et al 2014, Katsuyama et al 2015, Colombani et al 2012, Garelli et al 2012). Whether the regulation of dilp8 by miR-184, occurs in these backgrounds is yet to be tested. We have now discussed this possibility in the manuscript.
Comment 3) dilp8 mutant animals have also been shown to be more resistant to starvation or desiccation (https://doi.org/10.3389/fendo.2020.00461). Is miR-184 implicated in this answer?
Response: We thank the reviewer for this question. In our earlier experiments miR-184 has been demonstrated to be regulated by nutrition in the larval stages and lack of miR-184 led to enhanced larval death in response to diet restriction (Fernandes et al., 2022). miR-184 was also demonstrated to play a role in the insulin producing cells (IPCs) in regulating lifespan (Fernandes & Varghese., 2022). In the current work, we propose miR-184 to act upstream of dilp8 in response to stress stimuli. Hence, it is possible that miR-184 might be involved in responses to starvation and desiccation stress in the adult female flies, by regulating dilp8 levels post-transcriptionally. However, it has not been tested yet if the miR-184 regulation of dilp8 plays a role in resistance to starvation or desiccation in adult females, as this was not within the scope of the current study. We have now added this reference in the discussion section.
Comment 4) dilp8 expression has been also shown to be regulated by Xrp1 in response to ribosome stress (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.devcel.2019.03.016). This paper should be included in the manuscript. Is it possible that the expression levels of miR184 are regulated by Xrp1?
Response: We thank the reviewer for the suggestion and have incorporated the reference into the paper. During ribosome stress in the larval imaginal discs the stress-response transcription factor Xrp1 acts through dilp8 in regulating systemic growth. We agree with the reviewer, it is possible that expression of miR-184 is regulated by Xrp1. Currently we have not explored this possibility. We have now added this to the discussion section.
Minor points:
__ Does the overexpression of miR184 induce an increased fluctuating asymmetry?__
Response: We thank the reviewer for asking this question. The role of dilp8 in the fluctuation asymmetry is only observed in the dilp8 hypomorphic mutant background. To replicate this we would have to overexpress miR-184 in either the whole larvae or in the wing discs. Unfortunately overexpression of miR-184 in the wing discs (using rnGAL4) leads to pupal lethality while as overexpression of miR-184 in the whole larvae leads to embryonic lethality and therefore we were not be able to conclude from our experiments if miR-184 overexpression induces increased fluctuating asymmetry.
2. There are 2 references Colombani et al. (2012 for Dilp8 and 2015 for Lgr3). Can you double check that they are used accordingly
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing these errors out and we have incorporated these changes into the paper.
Significance
Altogether, the paper present compiling lines of evidence supporting the proposed model. The experiments are well designed and are convincing. The papers is interesting and relevant for a broad audience.
__Reviewer #3 __
Evidence, reproducibility and clarity (Required):
This is an interesting study demonstrating an interaction between miR-184 and the Drosophila insulin-like peptide 8 (dilp8) in the tissue damage response. The authors show that Dilp8 activity is negatively regulated by miR-184, apparently through direct interaction between miR-184 and the dilp8-3'UTR, which leads to lower dilp8 mRNA transcript levels, via an undetermined mechanism, supposedly its degradation? Furthermore, the authors show that during aberrant tissue growth, miR-184 levels are very slightly downregulated (see comment below), and based on other experiments, imply causation of this with the increased dilp8 mRNA levels that occur in these tissues, again via an unclear mechanism: upregulation or stabilization of dilp8 mRNA. The authors present evidence that the JNK pathway, which had been known to be critical for dilp8 mRNA upregulation upon tissue damage, does so via miR-184.
Major Comments:
__Comment 1: The data showing the direct regulation of dilp8-3'UTR by miR-184 are not very strong and would require more controls to strengthen the claim, as described below. __
Response: We have performed new experiments to validate that dilp8-3’UTR is regulated by miR-184. Please see the detailed responses to comments 10-12 below.
__Comment 2: The miR-184 effects are also very small (less than 2-fold reduction with tissue damage; or less than 2-fold induction with JNK-pathway inhibition via bskDN). These two points are the weakest part of the manuscript and model. __
Response: We agree with the reviewers on this point. The reduction in miR-184 levels in response to RicinA expression is modest (25–30%), and the induction of miR-184 in response to bskDN expression is less than two-fold (Figs. 5A and D). In contrast, dilp8 transcript levels increase several-fold in response to RicinA expression (Fig. 5C, S6A and B). Since we measure dilp8 transcript levels by qPCR, we detect both transcriptional and post-transcriptional contributions to dilp8 regulation. In addition, we have performed a new experiment to check the post-transcriptional regulation of dilp8, in response to tissue damage. Though the change in the dilp8-3′UTR GFP reporter upon RicinA expression in the ptc domain of the wingdisc is mild (Figs. S6F-G’), this strongly suggests a post-transcriptional outcome of the reduction of miR-184 levels on dilp8. Hence, we propose that tissue damage induces strong transcriptional activation of dilp8, while the reduction of miR-184, despite its smaller magnitude, contributes to dilp8 upregulation via post-transcriptional regulation. In support of this, our experiments demonstrate direct regulation of the dilp8-3′UTR by miR-184 (Figs. 4C-F’), and show strong dilp8 mRNA upregulation in miR-184 deficient conditions (Fig. 4A and B), suggesting the role of miR-184 in maintaining dilp8 levels. We also show that RicinA induced effects on dilp8 and pupariation delay are reversed by co-expression of miR-184 (Fig. 5C). We do not claim that regulation by miR-184 is the sole mechanism for driving dilp8 induction during tissue damage, but suggest that miR-184-mediated post-transcriptional regulation acts in a complementary manner to transcriptional responses. Furthermore, we believe that the mild effect of JNK signaling on miR-184 (as shown by the bskDN experiment) is sufficient for the moderate reduction of miR-184 in response to tissue damage.
Comment 3: ____Regarding the expression levels, it does not help that the authors show bar graphs with standard errors of the mean instead of the actual data points to allow reliable appreciation of the data dispersion.
Response: We have modified our figures and have performed statistical analysis according to the suggestions of the reviewers, please see responses to comments 1-9, and 13-19.
Comment 4: It is difficult to understand how minute changes in miR-184 levels can lead to over an order of magnitude differences (in some cases) in dilp8 mRNA levels considering that it is a stoichiometric relationship. Maybe ?miR-184-Dicer1? complexes are highly stable and re-used for multiple dilp8 transcripts - the authors could discuss how they understand this occurring in their manuscript.
On the same line, discussion is also rather weak on what regards the mechanism of control of dilp8 mRNA levels by miR-184. Please discuss eg, the evidence for mRNA degradation induction by microRNAs with this UTR binding profile (imperfect UTR binding Fig S4) and-if appropriate-how other possible regulatory models (direct and indirect) could explain the findings.
Response: We accept the reviewers comment that 25-30% reduction of miR-184 is low in comparison to the many fold increase in dilp8 levels. We believe that both post-transcriptional and transcriptional changes are responsible for the induction of dilp8 in response to tissue damage. However, our experiments suggest the role of post-transcriptional regulation by miR-184, as pupariation delay is rescued by miR-184 overexpression (also please see the response to the previous comment). We are not ruling out the possibility of transcriptional regulation of dilp8 mRNA, rather we are suggesting the possibility that both transcriptional and post-transcriptional means are responsible for changes in dilp8. Moreover, we have not performed absolute measurement of miR-184 in the imaginal discs (what we show is a comparison between control and RicinA expression), hence we do not have an exact estimate of how many miR-184 molecules are reduced and if they would be greatly equal or more in comparison to the dilp8 mRNA molecules that are upregulated, as again while measuring dilp8 mRNA we are not checking how many molecules of dilp8 exactly are increased. As the reviewer suggests, it is possible that miR-184-RISC could be stable to handle multiple dilp8 molecules one after the other, hence it is not a 1:1 relationship between miR-184:dilp8. We have included this in the manuscript. It is also known that imperfect 3’UTR binding as seen in most animal microRNAs leads to translational repression and mRNA deadenylation, which eventually results in mRNA degradation.
Comment 5: ____We suggest the authors carefully revise their citations to cite appropriate work that supports the claims, and also to avoid missing the seminal studies that report the claims they cite.
Response: We are really apologetic for the errors citing the key references. We are grateful to the reviewers for correcting this for us. We have made changes to the text to include and correct the references.
We have the suggestions below which we hope will help the authors improve their manuscript. If the authors address these points raised above, we believe the manuscript should be a valuable contribution to the field, and help in the understanding of how tissues respond to growth aberrations and the regulation of transcript levels by microRNAs.
Detailed Comments:
Comment 1. Results 1st paragraph: please describe the screen in more detail. As written, one only discovers it was a miRNA loss-of-function screen when reading the legend of Table S1. Please show the original data of the screen - with dispersion if possible.
Response: We thank the reviewers for these suggestions, we have now included the data from the screen with SEM, and p-values.
Comment 2. Results 1st paragraph, Fourth line, "While several miRNAs caused delays in pupariation by 12 hours or more..". Please correct, as actually loss of miRNAs caused delays.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing out this error, we have corrected the text accordingly.
Comment 3. ____Results (Figure 1) - It says that data from three independent experiments are shown. However there is no dispersion in the data. Could the authors please explain this? Are the results of the three experiments summed and presented as one? or is this one of the three?
Response: We thank the reviewers for these suggestions and have plotted data with the SEM values.
Comment 4. It is reported in the legend of Figure S2 that LogRank test was performed to determine statistical significance. However, no statistical data is presented. Please show the results.
__Response: __We thank the reviewers for these suggestions to improve the data presentation, we have incorporated the p-value as suggested.
Comment 5. Fig2A and B. Please show the data points in the bar graphs (as in Figure. 2C), or choose another data representation. ____Please consider redoing statistical analysis with a simple t-test. ____It is not clear to me why ANOVA was used to compare two samples. Please state that data are normalized also to control (tub-GAL4>UAS-scramble). Please ____state____ the h post-hatching from which the RNA samples were collected (as in Fig 2C for 20HE quantification).
__Response: __We thank the reviewers for these suggestions to improve the data presentation, we have incorporated all changes as suggested. Similar changes have been incorporated to the rest of the figures of the manuscript as well. Hours post-hatching information for each figure is now added to the figure legends. __ __
Comment 6. Fig2C. Fig legend states the bar graphs are "absolute values". Please specify if the bar represents the average, median or something else.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out, we have made the suggested changes.
Comment 7. Throughout the manuscript: please use GAL4 in capital letters or at least standardize it throughout the ms. Currently there are GAL4s and Gal4s.. eg compare Fig 2 and 3 legends.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out, we have incorporated all changes as recommended.
Comment 8. FigS3A and B. Please revise as Fig2A and B above. and apply the same criteria in the respective figure legend.
__Response: __We thank the reviewer for pointing this out, we have made the changes as recommended.
Comment 9. Fig. 4 - please indicate on the figures what is whole larvae and what is wing imaginal discs. This will facilitate understanding of the figure.
__Response: __We thank the reviewers for these suggestions and have included this information in all the figures.
Comment 10. Fig 4 - Data - Authors do not show that rn-GAL4>miR-184-sponge causes up regulation of dilp8 mRNA levels, hence the model is weakened. Doing this experiment would significantly strengthen the study whatever the result is.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out and we have included this in the manuscript (Fig S5B).
Comment 11. The dilp8-3'UTR experiment is weak especially because its generation is not sufficiently well described in the manuscript. "The dilp8 3'UTR-GFP reporter line was created as described in (Vargheese & Cohen, 2007)" is not sufficient. Please describe the construct generation in sufficient detail so that the experiments can be reproduced by others.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out and we have elaborated in the methods section on how we generated the dilp8 3'UTR-GFP reporter and dilp8 3'UTR mutant GFP reporter lines. The plasmid was originally created in Steve Cohen’s lab at EMBL, by modifying pCasper4 plasmid, by introducing a tubulin promoter, EGFP and a multiple cloning site, which allows one to clone 3’UTRs of target genes into this plasmid. Not1 and Xho1 sites were used to clone the dilp8-3’UTR and mut-3’UTR. We hope this explains our strategy sufficiently.
Comment 12. Making assumptions, if the construct is as described in Vargheese & Cohen, 2007 and contains all of the dilp8 3'UTR - it should be a Tubulin-driven GFP gene with a dilp8-3'UTR "Tub-GFP-(dilp8 3'UTR)". In this case the authors need to rule out the alternative interpretation of the result in Fig. 4D by showing that the expression of miR-184 does not down regulate Tub-GFP expression itself. The best scenario would be to have a mutated dilp8 3'UTR for the miR-184 recognition site. This experiment would significantly strengthen the study and model.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out. We agree with the reviewers that this experiment is needed to prove direct regulation of the dilp8-3’UTR by miR-184. We have mutated the sequences complementary to the seed region of miR-184 in the dilp8-3’UTR, and demonstrated that overexpression of miR-184 does not regulate the mutated tub-GFP-(dilp8 3'UTR) expression. This confirms that the dilp8 gene is a direct target of miR-184. This data is added to the manuscript as Figs 4E-F’.
Comment 13. Figure 4C-D please separate dilp8 from 3'UTR with a space or hyphen.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out and have separated dilp8 from 3’UTR with a hyphen.
Comment 14. Figure 4E. Please name the dilp8 allele as MI00727 as it is not a KO, but rather a hypomorphic mutation (fully WT dilp8 transcripts are still generated, albeit at a much lower level).
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out and we have made the necessary changes.
Comment ____15. Figure 6D: please add UAS to bskDN/+. All figures have rn-GAL4 alone or with UAS-GFP as control. This finding would be strengthened with this other control, especially because the size effect is small.____ This being said a general comment for all experiments is that hemi-controls are generally missing for all figures. eg, in Fig 3. One would typically include controls such as A. Phm>+ and +>miR.184; B. aug21>+ and +>miR.184; C. ptth>+ and +>miR.184; D. rn>+ and +>miR.184
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out. We have added UAS to bskDN, now Fig 5D and have also added the rnGAL4/+ control. We have also performed various hemi-control experiments as suggested by the reviewer to our best capabilities. We have added a separate graph with the hemicontrols in the as a Reviewer Response Figure 1.
Comment 16. Figure 7: Are IPCs necessary for the model? If not, I suggest removing them and placing the Lgr3 neuron cell bodies much more anterior in this scheme. Their cell bodies are as anterior and rostral as it gets, approximately where the IPCs are depicted in this type of view of the CNS.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out and have removed IPCs from the figure, this figure is now labelled as Fig. 6.
Comment ____17. Table S1- It would be preferable to see the data of these experiments, but if the authors prefer to show this data in a table, please at least add the dispersion analyses (eg standard deviation.. OR median+-quartiles OR Confidence intervals..), N of animals analysed, and statistics against controls.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out, we have added the number of larvae analysed, SEM values and statistics against the control condition.
Comment ____18. In all figures with pupariation time: please also indicate significant findings in the graphs (with an asterisk, for instance) and adjust figure legends accordingly. This could facilitate understanding the data.
__Response: __Thanks for the suggestion. We have incorporated this information into figure legends.
Comment ____19. Please revise Figure legends for punctuation.
__Response: __We have rectified all the errors in punctuation. We thank the reviewers for suggesting this.
__Comment ____20. __
a) Abstract:
Line 10: What is the evidence to call Dilp8 a "paracrine" factor?
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out, we have changed the text to ‘secreted factor’.
b) Introduction:
4th paragraph, 3rd sentence " Dilp8... buffers developmental noise and delays pupariation..." Buffering of developmental noise was first shown in Garelli et al., Science 2012, so this publication should be cited. ____4th paragraph, 5th sentence: please include Jaszczak et al., Genetics 2016. This paper was published together with the 2015 papers, just a matter of timing that it got a 2016 date. Moreover, I do not think Katsuyama et al., 2015 is well cited to back up the statement in this sentence, hence I recommend removing that citation in this sentence.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out and have made necessary changes.
c) 6th paragraph: 5th line "targeting dilp8" : please specify if you mean the gene or the mRNA, or both. Same for line 7.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out and have made necessary changes.
d) Results Page 10, 1st paragraph, 1st sentence: the works cited are not the appropriate studies that demonstrated what is being stated. This was shown in Garelli et al., Science 2012 and Colombani et al., Science 2012. Results Page 10, 1st paragraph, line 11: Please also cite Colombani et al., Science 2012, who first showed that JNK is required for dilp8 regulation.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing this out and are extremely apologetic for this oversight. We have made necessary changes to the manuscript.
e) Discussion, 2nd paragraph, line 4: again, please indicate the rationale for using "paracrine" to describe Dilp8's activities. The current widely accepted model is that Dilp8 acts on interneurons in the brain ____(eg, reviewed in Juarez-Carreno et al., Cell Stress, 2018; Gontijo and Garelli, Mech Dev, 2018; Mirth and Shingleton, Front Cell Dev Biol, 2019; Texada et al., Genetics 2020; Boulan and Leopold, 2021).____ In order to reach the brain, Dilp8 has to be secreted from the discs and travel to the brain. This is as an endocrine mechanism as it gets for a small larva, considering that some discs can be on the opposite side of the larva (eg, genital discs). While this does not exclude that Dilp8 could also act paracrinally, the only evidence that I am aware of comes from other contexts such as during transdetermination (where Dilp8 has been proposed to work in an autocrine or paracrine fashion, via Drl in imaginal discs (Nemoto et al., Genes to Cells, 2023), however, this is not cited appropriately in this manuscript and is less related to the Lgr3-dependent pathway being studied here.
Response: We totally agree with the reviewer and appreciate clarifying this for us. We have made necessary changes to the text.
f) Discussion Page 13, 1st paragraph, This claim is supported by data presented in Garelli et al., Science 2012, not the other two papers. Garelli et al., 2015 shows that the Lgr3 receptor also participates in buffering developmental noise. Other studies have corroborated the Garelli et al., 2012 finding: eg, Colombani et al., Curr Biol 2015; Boone et al., Nat Commun 2016; Blanco-Obregon et al., Nat Commun 2022). Many other studies have shown that Dilp8 promotes developmental stability under tissue stress and challenges.
Discussion Page 12, 3rd paragraph, 2nd sentence: "The Lgr3 neurons directly interact with ... PTTH ...and insulin-producing neurons" Please cite Colombani et al., 2015 and Vallejo et al., Science 2015. Vallejo et al., propose that circuit with insulin-producing neurons. In the 3rd sentence, only Jaszczak et al., 2016 is cited, whereas this claim/model comes from many studies, such as Halme et al., Curr Biol, 2010; Hackney et al., PLoS One 2012; Garelli et al. Science 2012; Colombani et al., Science, 2012; and the Lgr3 papers from 2015). Jaszczak et al., actually propose that Lgr3 is also required in the ring gland in addition to neurons.
Discussion page 14 last paragraph,10 line, "In Aedes aegypti ....regulates ilp8 (Ling et al., 2017)". As far as I understand mosquitoes do not have a dilp8 orthologue (see for instance Gontijo and Gontijo, Mech Dev 2018; and Jan Veenstra's work). ilp nomenclature (numbering) does not follow that of Drosophila, so ilp8 is probably a typical Insulin/IGF-like peptide and is NOT an orthologue of Dilp8, a relaxin, so this citation needs to be removed or placed into the broader context of microRNA regulation of ilps.
Response: We are really sorry for the numerous glaring errors in the references. We thank the reviewers for correcting this for us. We have made necessary changes to the text.
Thank you for the opportunity to review your interesting work,
Alisson Gontijo and Rebeca Zanini
Reviewer #3 (Significance (Required)):
If the authors address these points raised above, we believe the manuscript should be a valuable contribution to the field, and help in the understanding of how tissues respond to growth aberrations and the regulation of transcript levels by microRNAs.
__Author’s concluding response: __
We thank all the reviewers for the overall positive comments and suggestions that we believe have helped us to improve our manuscript. We have incorporated all the changes suggested, especially regarding errors in citing key references. We have performed most of the experimental suggestions. Also, we have modified the way in which graphs are presented, including statistical tests as suggested by the reviewers. Several controls have been performed to strengthen the manuscript further. We believe that this review process aided in significantly improving this manuscript.
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Summary
In this study, Fernandes and colleagues addressed the question of the role of micro-RNAs in regulating the coupling between organ growth and developmental timing. Using Drosophila, they identified the conserved micro-RNA miR-184 as a regulator of the developmental transition between juvenile larval stages and metamorphosis. This transition is under the control of the steroid hormone Ecdysone, and has been shown to be modulated in case of abnormal tissue growth to adjust the duration of larval growth in response to developmental perturbations. The relaxin-like hormone Dilp8 has been identified as a key secreted factor involved in this coupling. Here, the authors show that miR-184 is involved in the regulation of Dilp8 expression both in physiological conditions and upon growth perturbation. They propose that this function is carried out in imaginal tissues, where miR-184 levels are modulated by tissue stress. While several factors have already been involved in triggering sharp dilp8 induction at the transcriptional level, this study adds another level of complexity to the regulation of Dilp8 by proposing that its expression is fine-tunned post-transcriptionally through repression by miR-184.
Major Comments
Overall, the manuscript is well organized, and the logics of the experimental plan well presented. The results are clear, and I appreciate the quality of the pupariation curves. However, I believe that two main conclusions of the paper are not fully supported by the results presented in the figures: the direct regulation of dilp8 3'UTR by miR-184, and the specificity of this regulation in imaginal discs. Here I develop in more details these two aspects. 1. The strategy of the 3'UTR sensor is not fully optimized. Indeed, in most experiments, qRT-PCR is used to assess dilp8 expression levels, although it reflects both transcriptional and post-transcriptional. Importantly, to show that post-transcriptional regulation is involved in the response to tissue damage, the levels of the 3'UTR sensor should be analyzed in discs expressing RAcs (showing at the same time that the response is cell-autonomous in the discs). The expected upregulation of the sensor should be prevented by simultaneous expression of miR-184. This approach would shed light on the relative contribution of transcriptional versus post-transcriptional regulation of dilp8 in response to growth perturbation. 2. In my opinion, the use of a 3'UTR sensor is not sufficient to conclude that the regulation by miR-184 is direct, as miR-184 could also regulate an intermediate factor that acts on dilp8 post-transcriptional regulation. To solve this issue, a common strategy is to generate a 3'UTR sensor with mutated binding sites that should abolish the regulation by miR-184. This mutated 3'UTR might also respond differently to tissue damage, which would strongly support the conclusions of the study. 3. Concerning the tissue-specific regulation of Dilp8 by miR-184, these results need to be strengthened. Indeed, this comes mostly from phenotypes observed with rn-GAL4. Although this is a classical tool for driving expression in imaginal discs, rn-GAL4 also drives strong expression in other tissues that could contribute to triggering a delay, such as the CNS and part of the gut (proventriculus). In our hands, some growth phenotypes in the wing obtained with rn-GAL4 could be fully reverted by blocking GAL4 in the CNS indicating that the phenotype was not wing-specific. Importantly, miR-184 seems to be highly expressed in the CNS according to FlyBase, reinforcing the possibility that it plays a role in this organ. Here I propose approaches to confirm that miR-184 mediated regulation of dilp8 and developmental timing indeed occur in the discs: - Another driver with less secondary expression sites could be used (pdmR11F02-GAL4), or rn-GAL4 could be combined with an elav-GAL80 to prevent expression in most neurons. - The authors could identify the source of Dilp8 upregulation in miR-184 mutants using tissue-specific qRT-PCR instead of whole larvae expression like in Fig 4A-B. - This tissue-specific upregulation could be functionally tested using a rescue experiment, in which the delay observed in miR-184 mutants could be rescued by disc-specific downregulation of Dilp8 (using pdm2-GAL4 for instance).
Optional: Because it is known that dilp8 is strongly regulated at the transcriptional level, the relative input from post-transcriptional upregulation is an important question arising from this study. Although it might be a more long-term approach, I believe that generating a Dilp8 mutant lacking its 3'UTR or, even better, with mutated miR-184 binding sites, would shed light on the role of this regulation for the response to growth perturbation and/or developmental stability (fluctuating asymmetry).
Minor Comments
General Assessment
This study provides convincing data showing that the conserved microRNA miR-184 plays a role in regulating developmental timing in Drosophila through modulating the levels of Dilp8, a key factor in the coupling between tissue growth and developmental transitions. The results are convincing, but the general conclusions of the paper need to be strengthened regarding the direct regulation of dilp8 by miR-184 and the tissue-specificity of this interaction.
Advance
Dilp8 is a key factor that modulates growth and timing in response to developmental perturbations and contributes to developmental precision in physiological conditions. As such, its regulation has been studied by different groups in the last decade, leading to the identification of several inputs for its transcriptional regulation. Here, the authors uncover a post-transcriptional regulation by miR-184, adding another level of regulation of Dilp8 that contribute to ensuring proper regulation of developmental timing, and opening the possibility that miR-184 might play similar roles in other species.
Audience
This study is of interest for researchers in the field of basic science, with a focus on developmental timing, tissue damage and biological function of microRNAs.
Reviewer expertise
Drosophila, growth control, developmental timing, Dilp8.
Synthèse du webinaire : "Créer une communauté d'action : comment se lancer ?"
Résumé
Ce document de synthèse analyse les principaux enseignements du webinaire organisé par le Réseau National des Maisons des Associations (RNMA) et La Fonda, centré sur la création et l'animation de "communautés d'action".
Fondée sur la méthodologie de la stratégie d'impact collectif, cette approche vise à structurer la coopération entre divers acteurs territoriaux pour répondre de manière concertée et transversale à des enjeux complexes.
Les points clés sont les suivants :
1. Une Méthodologie Structurante :
La démarche s'appuie sur des phases claires (impulsion, structuration, pérennisation) et cinq conditions de réussite, dont la plus cruciale est l'existence d'une "fonction de soutien".
Cette fonction, véritable colonne vertébrale de la coopération, est chargée d'animer, de coordonner et de faciliter le travail collectif.
2. Deux Expérimentations Riches d'Enseignements :
Pendant deux ans, des expérimentations ont été menées à Morlaix (portée par le Résam sur la transition écologique et alimentaire) et à Mulhouse (portée par le Carré des associations sur la jeunesse).
Ces deux cas pratiques démontrent la capacité de la méthode à fédérer des acteurs hétérogènes (associations, citoyens, collectivités, institutions) et à produire des résultats concrets, allant de l'amélioration des parcours pour les jeunes à la création de projets sur la sécurité sociale de l'alimentation.
3. Des Résultats Tangibles au-delà des Projets :
L'impact majeur réside dans la transformation des modes de collaboration.
Les expérimentations ont permis de renforcer l'interconnaissance, d'instaurer des relations plus horizontales, et d'ancrer la méthode au sein de politiques publiques locales (Contrat de Ville, Contrat Territorial Global de la CAF à Mulhouse).
4. Le Défi Central du Financement : La pérennisation de ces dynamiques se heurte à un obstacle majeur : le financement de la fonction de soutien.
Les financeurs publics privilégient traditionnellement les "actions concrètes" au détriment du temps d'animation et de coordination, pourtant essentiel à la réussite et à la durabilité des coopérations.
5. Des Perspectives d'Essaimage :
Le webinaire a confirmé un fort intérêt pour la méthode. Les participants ont exprimé des besoins clairs en matière d'outils, de formation et d'échanges entre pairs.
Le RNMA et La Fonda envisagent la création d'une "communauté d'apprentissage" pour accompagner les territoires désireux de se lancer.
En conclusion, la création de communautés d'action représente une voie prometteuse pour renforcer l'impact des initiatives locales.
Sa réussite dépend cependant d'un changement de paradigme, notamment de la part des financeurs, pour reconnaître et soutenir le travail indispensable de mise en lien et d'animation territoriale.
I. Le Cadre Méthodologique : La Stratégie d'Impact Collectif
La démarche de création de communautés d'action s'ancre dans l'approche de la stratégie d'impact collectif, présentée comme un cadre permettant de structurer et de pérenniser la coopération sur un territoire.
A. Définition et Promesse
L'impact collectif est défini comme la capacité à mettre en cohérence des actions et à favoriser des dynamiques concertées pour apporter des réponses adaptées et transversales à des enjeux complexes et partagés.
La promesse de cette approche est de générer des réponses de meilleure qualité, car elles sont construites en commun autour d'objectifs partagés.
Le postulat de départ est que les enjeux territoriaux (du quartier à l'international) sont multifactoriels et appellent à la coopération.
L'objectif n'est pas de multiplier les projets, mais de relier ce qui existe déjà pour aligner les actions vers un changement souhaité, défini collectivement.
B. Les Étapes et Conditions de Réussite
La mise en œuvre d'une stratégie d'impact collectif suit trois grandes phases :
1. Impulsion : Définition et partage de l'enjeu.
2. Structuration : Mise en commun et coordination des moyens et des ressources.
3. Pérennisation : Ancrage de la dynamique dans la durée.
Cinq conditions sont identifiées comme nécessaires à la réussite de la démarche :
• Une vision partagée des enjeux.
• Des actions qui se complètent mutuellement autour d'un plan d'action partagé.
• Une approche de l'évaluation pensée dès le début et conduite en commun.
• Une communication continue entre les acteurs.
• L'existence d'une "fonction de soutien" dédiée.
C. La "Fonction de Soutien" : Clé de Voûte de la Coopération
La "fonction de soutien" est l'acteur ou la structure en charge d'animer et de faire vivre la coopération.
Elle est décrite comme la colonne vertébrale de la démarche.
Missions Clés :
Postures et Rôles :
• Écoute : Pour comprendre les besoins et favoriser l'inclusion.
• Coordinateur : Pour structurer les échanges et veiller au bon déroulement des actions.
• Animateur : Adopter une "posture haute" pour affirmer une position dans certaines décisions, ou une "posture basse" pour favoriser la prise d'initiative des membres.
Cette fonction assure également un important travail "caché" entre les réunions : préparation des ordres du jour, rédaction des comptes-rendus et des documents stratégiques.
II. Retours d'Expérience : Les Communautés d'Action de Morlaix et Mulhouse
Deux territoires ont expérimenté cette méthode pendant deux ans, avec l'accompagnement du RNMA et de La Fonda.
A. L'Expérimentation de Morlaix (Résam) : La Transition Alimentaire
• Structure porteuse : Le Résam (Réseau d'échange et de service aux associations du Pays de Morlaix), une maison des associations associative à gouvernance partagée.
• Genèse du Projet : Le projet est né d'une demande des associations locales autour des transitions écologiques et d'un besoin de l'équipe du Résam de renouveler ses pratiques d'animation territoriale. Le contexte local, marqué par une pénurie d'eau inédite, a renforcé la pertinence du sujet.
• Déroulement et Acteurs : Sur une thématique large des "transitions écologiques", la communauté d'action a progressivement affiné son objet pour se concentrer sur l'autonomisation alimentaire du territoire respectueuse du vivant.
La dynamique a rassemblé un groupe hétérogène de citoyens, associations, entrepreneurs, techniciens de collectivités et élus, animé via des journées complètes de travail tous les deux mois. Un comité de pilotage a été formé avec le Résam, le Pôle ESS local et l'Ulamir CPIE.
• Difficultés Rencontrées :
◦ Le décalage de temporalité avec les politiques publiques locales, notamment le Plan Alimentaire Territorial en cours d'élaboration.
• Réussites et Résultats :
◦ Une forte coordination et des habitudes de travail communes installées entre les trois structures de la fonction de soutien.
◦ Une démarche perçue comme novatrice sur le territoire, réussissant à structurer un dialogue entre des acteurs variés.
◦ Une forte dimension humaine, avec un plaisir partagé des participants à se retrouver.
◦ La validation d'une charte commune après un travail collectif approfondi.
◦ Le lancement d'une expérimentation sur la sécurité sociale de l'alimentation.
◦ Une reconnaissance croissante de la "communauté d'action" sur le territoire.
B. L'Expérimentation de Mulhouse (Carré des associations) : L'Accompagnement de la Jeunesse
• Structure porteuse : Le Carré des associations, une maison des associations municipale, intégrée à la Direction cohésion sociale et vie des quartiers de la Ville de Mulhouse.
• Genèse du Projet : Le constat d'un territoire très dynamique mais peinant à pérenniser ses expérimentations et à faire travailler ses acteurs ensemble.
La ville de Mulhouse, très jeune et marquée par de fortes disparités sociales, a vu dans la méthode un moyen de créer du lien et d'améliorer l'accompagnement des initiatives.
• Déroulement et Acteurs : Partie d'un enjeu général d'accompagnement de projet, la communauté d'action s'est rapidement focalisée sur la jeunesse.
Elle a rassemblé des partenaires institutionnels variés : services de la Ville, État (politique de la ville), CAF, Alsace Active, Unicité, Mission Locale, etc.
Un principe clé a été l'adoption d'une posture horizontale, où la Ville n'est pas un décideur mais un partenaire égal aux autres.
• Difficultés Rencontrées :
◦ Le départ de certains partenaires (État, France Active) par manque de temps ou d'alignement avec la thématique.
◦ L'émergence récente de la question de la rémunération du temps de travail investi par les partenaires associatifs, posant un défi pour la pérennisation.
• Réussites et Résultats :
◦ L'amélioration de la connaissance mutuelle et la transformation des relations hiérarchiques en coopération horizontale.
◦ La méthode a nourri les pratiques de chaque structure partenaire (projets sociaux des centres sociaux, par exemple).
◦ Des passerelles concrètes ont été créées, fluidifiant les parcours des jeunes entre les différentes structures (ex: lien entre le budget participatif de la ville et les jeunes suivis par Unicité).
◦ La méthode a été inscrite dans des cadres structurants comme le nouveau Contrat de Ville et le Contrat Territorial Global (CTG) de la CAF.
◦ Un poste pour la fonction de soutien est envisagé dans le cadre du CTG, offrant une voie de pérennisation.
III. Outils et Méthodes Clés
Deux outils structurants utilisés lors des expérimentations ont été présentés.
A. Le Scénario Idéal : Construire une Vision Partagée
Cet outil de prospective a été utilisé en phase d'impulsion pour définir une vision et une problématique communes.
• Objectif : Aider le groupe à se projeter dans un futur souhaitable pour identifier les enjeux prioritaires et se mettre d'accord sur un vocabulaire commun.
• Processus :
B. La Cartographie des Acteurs : Rendre Visible et Relier l'Existant
Cet outil, utilisé en phase de structuration, vise à capitaliser sur l'existant plutôt qu'à créer de nouveaux dispositifs.
• Objectif : Rendre lisible comment les acteurs présents répondent déjà à l'enjeu partagé, identifier les complémentarités et les "trous dans la raquette".
• Processus :
• Utilité : La cartographie devient une boussole pour les professionnels, facilitant l'orientation des publics entre les différentes structures et renforçant la coopération opérationnelle.
IV. Enjeux et Perspectives pour l'Essaimage
La fin du webinaire a ouvert une discussion sur la transférabilité de la démarche.
A. Les Besoins des Acteurs de Terrain
Les participants ont exprimé un vif intérêt et ont formulé plusieurs besoins pour se lancer :
• Accès aux outils : Le site ressource en préparation par le RNMA est attendu.
• Formation : Des temps dédiés pour s'approprier la méthode de manière plus approfondie.
• Échange entre pairs et codéveloppement : Un espace pour partager les expériences, les difficultés et les réussites dans la durée.
B. Le Défi du Financement de la "Fonction de Soutien" C'est l'enjeu principal qui a émergé. Les financements publics sont souvent fléchés vers des actions visibles et quantifiables, rendant difficile la valorisation du temps d'ingénierie, de coordination et d'animation.
Or, sans ce temps dédié, les dynamiques coopératives peinent à se maintenir.
Les intervenants ont qualifié la reconnaissance de ce travail de "combat politique" à mener, tant par les associations que par les collectivités, pour démontrer que l'animation territoriale est une condition essentielle de l'impact des politiques publiques.
C. Vers une Communauté d'Apprentissage
En réponse aux besoins exprimés, le RNMA et La Fonda proposent de lancer une communauté d'apprentissage.
L'objectif serait de créer un espace d'échange de pratiques et de soutien pour les structures souhaitant impulser des communautés d'action sur leur territoire, que ce soit dans le cadre de Guide'Asso, de politiques alimentaires ou d'autres thématiques.
Des rencontres futures, notamment avec des acteurs de la philanthropie comme la Fondation de France, sont envisagées pour faire avancer la réflexion sur le financement de ces transformations systémiques.