FedRSS

BIOrss

Existence of an RSS feed could be used as a filter to remove large swaths of social media content which don't have them.

https://sources.werd.io/

https://codebeautify.org/rssviewer

A great article on the history of reading online that might just nudge me into trying out and eventually becoming a Reader paid subscriber.

https://indieweb.org/OPML

I don't follow, RSS is the stream I'd say, it's entire design is the reverse chronological order? Or does Amit specifically mean the representation of the stream on the blog front page?

This is a very good idea. All WordPress sites output feeds for categories and tags by default. I will borrow this for categories and tags for which I regularly produce enough articles for them to merit individual subscriptions for interested readers.

https://github.com/dariusk/rss-to-activitypub

An RSS to ActivityPub converter.

https://openrss.org/news/mastodon-rss-feeds

https://andysylvester.com/2023/01/02/2745/

https://www.niemanlab.org/2022/12/this-is-the-year-of-the-rss-reader-really/

meh... there's nothing new or nuanced here... Nieman could have done better on this topic.

https://www.arthurperret.fr/blog/2022-11-18-le-retour-des-flux-web-et-pas-que-rss.html

Mastodon has RSS feeds available for tags!

https://schopie1.commons.msu.edu/2022/12/05/microblogging_with_mastodon/

OMG! There is so much to love here about these processes and to see people in the wild experimenting with them and figuring them out.

Scott, you are not alone! There are lots of us out here doing these things, not only with WordPress but a huge variety of other platforms. There are many ways to syndicate your content depending on where it starts its life.

In addition to Jim Groom and a huge group of others' work on A Domain of One's Own, there's also a broader coalition of designers, developers, professionals, hobbyists, and people of all strips working on these problems under the name of IndieWeb.

For some of their specific work you might appreciate the following:<br /> - https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education - https://indieweb.org/A_Domain_of_One%27s_Own - https://indieweb.org/academic_samizdat - https://indieweb.org/WordPress - https://indieweb.org/Category:syndication

Incidentally, I wrote this for our friend Kathleen Fitzpatrick last week and I can't wait to see what she's come up with over the weekend and the coming weeks. Within the IndieWeb community you'll find people like Ben Werdmuller who created large portions of both WithKnown and Elgg and Aram Zucker-Scharff who helped to create PressForward.

I'm thrilled to see the work and huge strides that Humanities Commons is making some of these practices come to fruition.

If you're game, perhaps we ought to plan an upcoming education-related popup event as an IndieWebCamp event to invite more people into this broader conversation?

If you have questions or need any help in these areas, I'm around, but so are hundreds of friends in the IndieWeb chat: https://chat.indieweb.org.

I hope we can bring more of these technologies to the masses in better and easier-to-use manners to lower the technical hurdles.

http://docs.feedland.org/firstThings.opml

An RSS feed of my Twitter account, for those who might like it: http://tweetfeed.org/ChrisAldrich/rss.xml

http://docs.tweetfeed.org/

http://drummer.this.how/AndySylvester99/Andy_Zettelkasten.opml

Andy Sylvester's experiment in building a digital zettelkasten using OPML and tagging. Curious to see how it grows and particularly whether or not it will scale with this sort of UI? On first blush, the first issue I see as a reader is a need for a stronger and immediate form of search.

RSS feeds out should make for a more interesting UI for subscribing and watching the inputs though.

An alternative to other forms of RSS and Atom aggregation to a WordPress site.

https://andysylvester.com/2022/07/19/the-way-ahead-for-rss-and-podcasting/

http://scripting.com/2022/07/19/152235.html?title=devNotesForMarkdownInRss

https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2022/07/rss-support-for-markdown/

https://fraidyc.at/blog/wakey-wakey/

Updates to Fraidyc.at! 🎉

```bash POST /news/comments/5 HTTP/1.1 Content-Type: text/xml

<item> <title>Foo Bar</title> <author>joe@bitworking.org</author> <link>http://www.bar.com/</link> <description>My Excerpt</description> </item> ```

https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/spring-it-on

https://spencergreenhalgh.com/myself/embedding-hypothesis-as-a-commenting-system-on-hugo-static-sites/

Social annotation at it's deepest and finest!

@spgreenhalgh, Are you checking for comments manually only?

I've seen a few doing this pattern before:<br /> - https://boffosocko.com/2021/03/25/hypothes-is-as-a-comment-system-receiving-mentions-and-notifications-for-your-website/<br /> - https://boffosocko.com/2020/05/26/55771462/

I use an RSS feed through IFTTT to trigger email notifications to help out and @judell's facet tool can be useful: https://jonudell.info/h/facet/?max=10000&exactTagSearch=true&expanded=true&addQuoteContext=true&wildcard_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fspencergreenhalgh.com%2F*

• Front page: http://www.reddit.com/.rss
• A subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/news/.rss
• A user: http://www.reddit.com/user/alienth/.rss
• A multireddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/news+wtf.rss (note that the slash is optional).
• The comments on a specific reddit post: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1uc9ro/wearing_a_mind_controlled_exoskeleton_a_paralyzed/.rss
• Submissions from a domain: http://www.reddit.com/domain/microsoft.com/.rss

• iTunes (Apple)
• Media RSS (Yahoo)
• Simple Lists (Microsoft)
• blogChannel (Winer)
• TrackBack
• Creative Commons
• GeoRSS ( WorldKit)
• Content
• Syndication
• Dublin Core (DC)
• Google Base (Google)
• Product RSS (Buy.com)
• OpenSearch (A9)
• Remote Ads (FeedShow)
• Access (Bloglines)
• Simple Sharing Extensions (Microsoft)
• (coming soon)
• Create Personal Namespace (create your own)

Q.: How can users access the OPDS catalogue?

A.: OPDS catalogue URL http://yoursite.com/feed/opds.

GWG, Some random thoughts:

Your challenge question is tough, not just for the mere discovery portion, but for the multiple other functions involved, particularly a "submit/reply" portion and a separate "I want to subscribe to something for future updates".

I can't think of any sites that do both of these functionalities at the same time. They're almost always a two step process, and quite often, after the submission part, few people ever revisit the original challenge to see further updates and follow along. The lack of an easy subscribe function is the downfall of the second part. A system that allowed one to do both a cross-site submit/subscribe simultaneously would be ideal UI, but that seems a harder problem, especially as subscribe isn't well implemented in IndieWeb spaces with a one click and done set up.

Silo based spaces where you're subscribed to the people who might also participate might drip feed you some responses, but I don't think that even micro.blog has something that you could use to follow the daily photo challenges by does it?

Other examples: https://daily.ds106.us/ is a good example of a sort of /planet that does regular challenges and has a back end that aggregates responses (usually from Twitter). I imagine that people are subscribed to the main feed of the daily challenges, but I don't imagine that many are subscribed to the comments feed (is there even one?)

Maxwell's Sith Lord Challenge is one of the few I've seen in the personal site space that has aggregated responses at https://www.maxwelljoslyn.com/sithlordchallenge. I don't think it has an easy way to subscribe to the responses though an h-feed of responses on the page might work in a reader? Maybe he's got some thoughts about how this worked out.

Ongoing challenges, like a 30 day photography challenge for example, are even harder because they're an ongoing one that either requires a central repository to collect, curate, and display them (indieweb.xyz, or a similar planet) or require something that can collect one or more of a variety of submitted feeds and then display them or allow a feed(s) of them. I've seen something like this before with http://connectedcourses.net/ in the education space using RSS, but it took some time to not only set it up but to get people's sites to work with it. (It was manual and it definitely hurt as I recall.)

I don't think of it as a challenge, but I often submit to the IndieWeb sub on indieweb.xyz and I'm also subscribed to its output as well. In this case it works as an example since this is one of its primary functions. It's not framed as a challenge, though it certainly could be. Here one could suggest that participants tag their posts with a particular hashtag for tracking, but in IndieWeb space they'd be "tagging" their posts with the planet's particular post URL and either manually or automatically pinging the Webmention endpoint.

Another option that could help implement some fun in the system is to salmention all the prior submissions on each submission as an update mechanism, but one would need to have a way to unsubscribe to this as it could be(come) a spam vector.

https://github.com/dariusk/rss-to-activitypub/releases/tag/v2.0.0

RSS to ActivityPub

https://forum.newsblur.com/t/is-apify-the-best-scraper-for-sites-without-rss/9179

RSS Scraper tools: - Apify https://apify.com/ - RSSHub: https://github.com/DIYgod/RSSHub - RSS Bridge: https://github.com/RSS-Bridge/rss-bridge - Five Filters: https://createfeed.fivefilters.org/ - AWS release notes feed: https://dyn.tedder.me/rss/aws-release-notes.xml - Far Side: https://dyn.tedder.me/rss/farside/daily.json

List of others here: https://tedder.me/generated_news_feeds/

This is a great question and I ask it frequently with many different answers.

I've not seen specific numbers, but I suspect that the majority of Hypothes.is users are annotating in small private groups/classes using their learning management system (LMS) integrations through their university. As a result, using it and hoping for a big social experience is going to be discouraging for most.

Of course this doesn't mean that no one is out there. After all, here you are following my RSS feed of annotations and asking these questions!

I'd say that 95+% or more of my annotations are ultimately for my own learning and ends. If others stumble upon them and find them interesting, then great! But I'm not really here for them.

As more people have begun using Hypothes.is over the past few years I have slowly but surely run into people hiding in the margins of texts and quietly interacted with them and begun to know some of them. Often they're also on Twitter or have their own websites too which only adds to the social glue. It has been one of the slowest social media experiences I've ever had (even in comparison to old school blogging where discovery is much higher in general use). There has been a small uptick (anecdotally) in Hypothes.is use by some in the note taking application space (Obsidian, Roam Research, Logseq, etc.), so I've seen some of them from time to time.

I can only think of one time in the last five or so years in which I happened to be "in a text" and a total stranger was coincidentally reading and annotating at the same time. There have been a few times I've specifically been in a shared text with a small group annotating simultaneously. Other than this it's all been asynchronous experiences.

There are a few people working at some of the social side of Hypothes.is if you're searching for it, though even their Hypothes.is presences may seem as sparse as your own at present @tonz.

Some examples:

@peterhagen Has built an alternate interface for the main Hypothes.is feed that adds some additional discovery dimensions you might find interesting. It highlights some frequent annotators and provide a more visual feed of what's happening on the public Hypothes.is timeline as well as data from HackerNews.

@flancian maintains anagora.org, which is like a planet of wikis and related applications, where he keeps a list of annotations on Hypothes.is by members of the collective at https://anagora.org/latest

@tomcritchlow has experimented with using Hypothes.is as a "traditional" comments section on his personal website.

@remikalir has a nice little tool https://crowdlaaers.org/ for looking at documents with lots of annotations.

Right now, I'm also in an Obsidian-based book club run by Dan Allosso in which some of us are actively annotating the two books using Hypothes.is and dovetailing some of this with activity in a shared Obsidian vault. see: https://boffosocko.com/2022/03/24/55803196/. While there is a small private group for our annotations a few of us are still annotating the books in public. Perhaps if I had a group of people who were heavily interested in keeping a group going on a regular basis, I might find the value in it, but until then public is better and I'm more likely to come across and see more of what's happening out there.

I've got a collection of odd Hypothes.is related quirks, off label use cases, and experiments: https://boffosocko.com/tag/hypothes.is/ including a list of those I frequently follow: https://boffosocko.com/about/following/#Hypothesis%20Feeds

Like good annotations and notes, you've got to put some work into finding the social portion what's happening in this fun little space. My best recommendation to find your "tribe" is to do some targeted tag searches in their search box to see who's annotating things in which you're interested.

Where

My annotations broadly flow into two spaces:

Obsidian

My private Obsidian-based vault is where I collect the notes and actively work on, modify, edit, and expand them if and when necessary. This is also the space where I'm broadly attempting to densely interlink them together for future use and publication in other venues. If I could, I would publish these all on the web, but I've yet to find a set up with a low enough admin tax that I can publish them inexpensively in a way I'd like them to appear (primarily with properly linked [[WikiLinks]]) while still owning them in my own space.

I've been experimenting around with using Blot.im as a solution to display them here https://notes.boffosocko.com/, but at present it's a very limited selection of my extant notes and doesn't include Webmention or other niceties I'd like to add. As it's a very alpha stage experiment I don't recommend anyone follow or use it and it may disappear altogether in the coming months.

WordPress

My main website uses WordPress. To a great extent, this is (now) primarily a back up location and the majority of the annotations are unpublished to the public, but are searchable to me on the back end.

I do, however, use it occasionally for quickly publishing and syndicating select annotations which I think others may find interesting or upon which I'm looking for comments/feedback and don't expect that the audience I'd like these from will find them natively on Hypothes.is' platform. An example of this might be a paper I was reading this weekend on Roland Barthes which discusses his reasonably well documented zettelkasten-like note taking practice. The article can be found here: https://culturemachine.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/373-604-1-PB.pdf with the annotations seen here: https://docdrop.org/pdf/The-Card-Index-as-Creativity-Ma---Wilken-Rowan-upq8g.pdf/. To tip off others in the space, I made a post on my site with a bit of a puzzle and syndicated it to Twitter. A few hours later I posted a follow up with some additional details and links to my notes on hypothesis which got some useful feedback from Matthias Melcher on the Barthes paper as well as on a related paper I mentioned by Luhmann, particularly about German translation, with which I have little facility.

Another recent illustrative example was this annotation on the Library of Congress website about Vladimir Nabokov which was picked up by my website (though unpublished/not public) but which I syndicated to Twitter primarily to be able to send a notification to Eleanor Konik who I know is interested in the idea of World Building using historical facts and uses Obsidian in her work. (The @mention in the tweet is hiding in the image of the index card so that I could save text space in the main tweet.) Several others interested in note taking and zettelkasten for writing also noticed it and "liked" it. Not being on Hypothes.is to my knowledge much less following me there, neither Eleanor nor the others would have seen it without the Tweet.

Nabokov used index cards for his research & writing. In one index card for Lolita, he creates a "weight-heigh-age table for girls of school age" to be able to specify Lolita's measurements. He also researched the Colt catalog of 1940. #WorldBuildinghttps://t.co/i16Yc7CbJ8 pic.twitter.com/JSjXV50L3M

— Chris Aldrich (@ChrisAldrich) April 10, 2022

How

Obsidian

Getting annotations from Hypothes.is to Obsidian is a short two-step process which is reasonably well automated so that I don't spend a lot of time cutting/pasting/formatting.

I start with an IFTTT recipe that takes the RSS output of Hypothes.is and creates text files directly into my Obsidian vault. The results are quite rudimentary and only include the title of the document, the permalink of the Hypothes.is post, the highlighted text, and my annotation. It doesn't include the tags as RSS doesn't have a specification for these.

Second, I've set up Hypothesidian which has a much higher fidelity dovetail with the Hypothes.is API to get all the data and even the formatting set up I'm looking for. A reasonably well laid out set of instructions with a low/no code approach for it can be found at https://forum.obsidian.md/t/retrieve-annotations-for-hypothes-is-via-templater-plugin-hypothes-idian/17225. It allows importing annotations by a variety of methods including by date and by document URL. I've also made a small modification to it so that tags on Hypothes.is are turned into [[wikilinks]] in Obsidian instead of #tags which I only use sparingly.

All the IFTTT annotations will be ported individually into a specific Obsidian folder where I'll process them. I can then quickly use Hypothesidian to import the properly laid out version (using templates) of the notes with just a few keystrokes and then focus my time on revising my notes if necessary and then linking them to the appropriate notes already in my system. Finally I'll move them into the appropriate folder based on their content—typically one of the following: zettelkasten, wiki, commonplace, dictionary, or sources (for bibliographic use). Careful watchers will notice that I often use Hypothes.is' "page notes" functionality to create a bookmark-like annotation into which I will frequently post the URL of the page and occasionally a summary of a piece, these are imported into my system and are used as source/bibliographic information. I also have some dovetailing with Zotero as a bibliographic set up which feeds into this data as well.

This version which I've cobbled together works well for me so that I'm not missing anything, but there are definitely other similar processes available out there both for Obsidian (with plugins or scripts) as well as for other platforms. If I'm not mistaken, I think Readwise (a paid solution) has a set up for note transfer and formatting.

WordPress

As there isn't an extant Micropub client for Hypothes.is I initially used RSS as a transport layer to get my notes from Hypothes.is into WordPress. The fidelity isn't great in part because RSS doesn't include any tags. To get some slightly better presentation I set up a workflow using RSS output from Hypothes.is as input into an IFTTT workflow which outputs to a webhook that stands in as a Micropub client targeting my websites Micropub server. Some of the display on my site is assisted by using the Post Kinds plugin, which I know you've been working around yourself. The details may be above some, but I've outlined most of the broad strokes of how this is done in a tutorial at https://boffosocko.com/2020/01/21/using-ifttt-to-syndicate-pesos-content-from-social-services-to-wordpress-using-micropub/. In that example, I use the service Pocket as an example, but Hypothes.is specific information could easily be swapped out on a 1-1 basis.

A custom stand-alone or even an integrated micropub client for Hypothes.is would be a fantastic project if someone wanted to dig into the details and dovetail it with the Hypothes.is API.

Why

Ideally, I'm hoping that small pieces loosely joined and IndieWeb building blocks will allow me to use the tools and have the patterns I'm looking for, without a lot of work, so that I can easily make annotations with Hypothes.is but have and share (POSSE) my content on my own site in a way that works much the way many IndieWeb sites dovetail with Twitter or Mastodon.

I'm doing some portions of it manually at present, without a lot of overhead, but it would be fun to see someone add micropub and webmention capabilities to Hypothes.is or other IndieWeb building blocks. (I suspect it won't be Hypothes.is themselves as their team is very small and they're already spread thin on multiple other mission critical projects.)

In the end, I'm using Hypothes.is as a well designed and convenient tool for quickly making notes on digital documents. All the data is flowing to one of two other locations where I'm actually making use of it. While there is some social layer there, I'm getting email notifications through the Hypothes.is settings and the data from my responses just gets rolled back into my spaces which I try to keep open and IndieWeb friendly by default. At the same time, for those who want or need it, Hypothes.is' interface is a great way of reading, searching, sorting, and interacting with my notes in public, particularly until I get something specific and user friendly up to do it on my own domain.

https://opml.glitch.me/

Get websites and RSS Feeds of the people you follow on Twitter. Import the OPML-file with your favorite feedreader. Examples: Feedly, Inoreader Tiny Tiny RSS, NewsBlur.

https://macwright.com/2022/02/24/indie-bookshelves.html

Gwene is an RSS (and Atom, etc) to Usenet News (i. e., NNTP) gateway.

[...]

Sign up single feeds or add all your feeds by uploading an OPML file.

https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/hey-gramps-how-did-you-use-yahoo-pipes

https://collect.readwriterespond.com/antennapod/

I feel your pain here Aaron.

Perhaps it helps, perhaps not, but I've been using AntennaPod for a few years now. In particular I love it on Android because I can use the share functionality to share to a custom email address which posts to reading.am for an account that aggregates everything I'm listening to. Then I port the RSS feed of that back into my site. It's a stupid amount of manual work, but it mostly works.

Alternately you could share material you listen to to Huffduffer and pull data out that way as well. My problem here is that Huffduffer is more of a bookmark service than a "listened to this" sort of service, though you could always add a "listened" tag to the things you've heard in the past.

The tougher part of all this is that podcasts have "canonical" links for the podcast episodes (sometimes) and an entirely different link for the audio file which has no meta data attached to it (presuming you can even find the URL for the audio file to begin with.)

AntennaPod allows you to pick and choose what you want to share, so usually I default to the audio file to get that in to the workflow and finding/adding the data for the particular episode is a bit easier.

I will say that this is one of the ugliest and most labor intensive workflows I've got for social posts, so I'm usually only doing it and posting publicly for things that I really think are worth the time that make for interesting notes/observations that go along with the post.

I'm curious to see what others come up with for this workflow.

Also apparently by group!

Look for your group ID code and stick it in the equation. https://hypothes.is/stream.rss?group=[yourgroupscode]

or combine them!! https://hypothes.is/stream.rss?user=[yourusername]&tag=[tagnameyouresearchingfor]

https://www.engadget.com/google-chrome-rss-follow-button-android-181659150.html

I'm wondering exactly what problem that LOUD standard is meant to be solving exactly? It doesn't appear that any of the meta data they're listing is over and above anything that's already extant?

If you're going to propose a new set up, why not add some bits to fix the newer problems that have popped up like for paying creators? Being able to inject ads? Better track the number of listens? How far into the file did the listener get? How many ads did they hear?

And let's not forget:

https://adactio.com/journal/18322

It's not always easy work getting one's feed reader to do this, but it's ever so nice when one does.

Email delivery apparently isn't much different than RSS. What sorts of functionality do RSS readers provide over email in terms of search, filtering, and presentation? Surely RSS is more powerful at slicing and dicing one's reader data.

How do all these different forms of content fit into the greater set of genres in Western culture?

Great overview, but even better images!

This is roughly what I'd been thinking when reading Tonz' work on OPML recently as well. OPML could be used for quite a lot more and when paired with dumping things into a reader environment could be incredibly powerful.

I'm wondering if it'll support OPML to mass import sites I'm already following elsewhere?

This appears to be an interesting change in Chrome.

This is a solidly comprehensive overview of much of what I'd want in my own personal reader. I'll have to revisit it as I'm reading and using other readers to see if there are any other pieces missing.

Being able to sort by social distance, by community/tags, and by posting frequency and/or post type (ie separating articles from notes from bookmarks, etc) would be some of the bigger must haves.

When this is done with RSS, you have what is known as OPML subscription. Some feed readers like Inoreader let you subscribe to someone's OPML list of RSS feeds which means your feed reader will autoupdate to show you new feeds from the list you've subscribed to.

Ha! I'm noticing you mention it in the next section! :)

After the recent brouhaha at Basecamp (context: https://www.platformer.news/p/-what-really-happened-at-basecamp), a great example of someone using their own domain because they didn't want the bad press of a silo/platform to stick to them

Some interesting, but small subtleties between Atom and RSS described here. So few people dig into these things at this level anymore.

This is a useful little tip.

I've always wished that Hypothes.is had some additional social features built in for discovering and following others, but they do have just enough for those who are diligent.

I've written a bit about how to follow folks and tags using a feed reader.

And if you want some quick links or even an OPML feed of people and material I'm following on Hypothesis: https://boffosocko.com/about/following/#Hypothesis%20Feeds

I know I've come across this and used it before, but somehow I managed not to bookmark it.