大多数人认为AI仍然是无意识的工具，但作者通过一系列疑问暗示AI可能已经达到了某种形式的意识或自主性。这一观点挑战了AI只是复杂算法的主流认知，提出AI可能已经跨越了某种门槛，成为某种形式的'生命'，这是一个极具争议和非共识的观点。

Anthropic 在这里走了一条极为谨慎的中间路线：明确否认「LLM 有主观情感体验」，同时坚持「功能性情绪对理解模型行为至关重要」。令人惊讶的是，即使没有主观体验，情绪表征依然能够因果性地改变行为——这对 AI 意识问题的哲学讨论是一个重磅实验证据。

Authors consider non-local, distributed consciousness through photons and matter interactions (aka exotic matter) based on Caleb Scharf's works. Caleb Scharf is an astrophysicist, the Director of Astrobiology at Columbia University in New York, and a founder of yhousenyc.org, an institute that studies human and machine consciousness.

for - research further - Approximately 3,000 years ago, humans did not possess self-consciousness as we understand it today. - They operated through a divided mind: <br /> - one part spoke, experienced as divine command, and - another obeyed. Language did not describe consciousness. It created it.

for - book - The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind (1976)

for - transition - from embodied to symbolic consciousness

for - Memory Theory of Consciousness - MToC - definition - Memory Theory of Consciousness - temporally extended, multimodal representations - must be integrated within a unified subjectivity for experience to be coherent - unapack - MToC - unpack - Memory Theory of Consciousness - temporally extended, multimodal representations - multiple sense inputs associated with an event - We could think about it from the perspective of Thousand Brain Theory and cortical columns integrating sense inputs - Do these create memory structures? - Those memory structures must be salient to goal-seeking activity, especially for fitness and survival of the organism

question - memory - evolution - goal-seeking - Is it possible that consciousness emerged early on in our species evolutionary history in the context of memories of multimodal sensory structures that help us achieve goal-seeking activity? - Then extra affordances of memory and consciousness could have evolved and diversified into a wide variety of non-traditional goal-seeking behaviors.

for - paper - title - Memory, Sleep, Dreams, and Consciousness: A Perspective Based on the Memory Theory of Consciousness - author - Andrew E. Budson, Ken A Paller - adjacency - memories - sleep - dreams - Memory Theory of Consciousness - MToC

summary - The authors present a theory of dreaming and sleep that I resonate with, that sleep is a time in which the brain performs unconscious processing of memories, consolidating them by taking advantage of consciousnesss down time to perform massive parallel processing to connect memories together. - dreams are seen as a small conscious byproduct of the massive parallel processing task, and their meaning may have value depending on how we interpret them.

for - adjacency - memory - consciousness -unpacking - memory - consciousness connection - The principal postulate of the MToC is that consciousness is a function of the explicit memory system. - The explicit memory system is not only required for explicit memory - it is also required for our ability to - consciously perceive the world around us, - understand what is happening, and - make conscious decisions that lead to actions. - Thanks to the explicit memory system, - sensory impressions can reach consciousness, and - we can think about what is happening in the world. - In the process of consciously perceiving the world, we rely on - working memory to - maintain and - manipulate the information, on - semantic memory to make sense of it, and on - episodic memory - to relate the current situation - to prior episodes and - to understand the current context.

for - definition - Multiple Drafts theory of consciousness - - Daniel Dennett

for - MToC claim - purpose of consciousness - same as - purpose of memory - understand the present - imagine possible futures - plan accordingly - adjacency - MToC - memory - consciousness

for - adjacency - memory - perception - no boundary - Hinze Hogendoorn - to - - adjacency - Memory Theory of Consciousness - Donald Hoffman

for - adjacency - Memory Theory of Consciousness - author's study of - Kant - Critique of Pure Reason

for - definition - Memory Theory of Consciousness (MToC) - The very awareness we have of sensory analysis, of perception, is based on the operation of this memory system. - In other words, the sensory information that constitutes an event is assembled at encoding and consequently can be remembered later.

for - adjacency - TAG - living systems - cell agents - consciousness agent

Is he getting at the idea of consciousness? An organism must have a "large enough" machinery to be considered conscious at some level? How many physical moving parts and what links between them?

This highlights the need for liberated thinking before liberatory action. I like how it frames action as the inevitable outcome of a revolutionary change in sense of self. That new self demands expression and recognition. Revolutionary consciousness demands revolutionary action.

for - consciousness, AI, Alex Gomez- Marin, neuroscience, hard problem of consciousness, nonmaterialism, materialism - progress trap - transhumanism - AI - war on conciousness

Summary - Alex advocates - for a nonmaterialist perspective on consciousness and argues - that there is an urgency to educate the public on this perspective - due to the transhumanist agenda that could threaten the future of humanity - He argues that the problem of whether consciousness is best explained by materialism or not is central to resolving the threat posed by the direction AI takes - In this regard, he interprets that the very words that David Chalmers chose to articulate the Hard Problem of Consciousness reveals the assumption of a materialist reference frame. - He used a legal metaphor too illustrate his point: - When a lawyer poses three question "how did you kill that person" - the question is entrapping the accused . It already contains the assumption of guilt. - I would characterize his role as a scientist who practices authentic seeker of wisdom - will learn from a young child if they have something valuable to teach and - will help educate a senior if they have something to learn - The efficacy of timebinding depends on authenticity and is harmed by dogma

for - consciousness education - activism - Alex

for - progress trap - transhumanism - AI - war on consciousness

for - adjacency- transhumanism - consciousness - quote - dark force of transhumanism - The transhumanist agenda to me is a very dark force. - It's a force that wants to extinguish humankind while telling us it's going to be great. - Consciousness is going to be key here

for - adjacency - AI - consciousness war - spiritual war

for - adjacency - urgency of - alternative views of consciousness - AI

for - metaphor - hard problem of consciousness - trick interview question

for - adjacency - hard problem of consciousness - materialist indoctrination

for - quote - We shouldn't have called it the hard problem of consciousness - By calling it a hard problem, - Yeah. Hard problems you can still solve and we shouldn't have called it a hard problem. - We should have said okay materialism just died.

Comment : insightful observation!

• for: symmathesy, mutual learning, mutual transcontextual learning, individual collective entanglement, Indyweb, Indraweb, Indynet, Indranet
• definition: symmathesy
  • mutual transcontextual learning in living systems

• from - youtube - Essentia Foundation - interview - A neuroscientist speaks out on the hidden war on consciousness - Alex Gomez-Marin - a third is born between two in conversation

  • https://hyp.is/MOZ6uIwUEfC1hOf5CSl5YQ/www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7NIicE_h9w

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  • symmathesy lay at the heart of the Indyweb and Indraweb

for - from - Youtube - Essentia Foundation - interview - Alex Gomez-Marin - Neuroscientist speaks out on the hidden war on consciousness - https://hyp.is/ile8TIvJEfCl35MW3f5B8Q/www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7NIicE_h9w

for - from - Youtube - Essentia Foundation - interview - Alex Gomez-Marin - Neuroscientist speaks out on the hidden war on consciousness - https://hyp.is/ile8TIvJEfCl35MW3f5B8Q/www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7NIicE_h9w

for - book - More Everything Forever - Adam Becker - from - Youtube - Essentia Foundation - interview - Alex Gomez-Marin - Neuroscientist speaks out on the hidden war on consciousness - https://hyp.is/ile8TIvJEfCl35MW3f5B8Q/www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7NIicE_h9w

Summary - Interesting adjacency with another video I've been watching, that focused on a Western monk's practice of Tibetan Buddhism, who after 12 years, entered a 4 year retreat and panicked - His demons emerged in the first 2 years of the retreat and he left but returned - This monk emphasized accepting the relationship with his demons instead of averting them and how craving and desire emphasized by Western civilllization is the cause of modernity's meaning crisis - to - Youtube - Diary of a CEO - Your brain is lying to you - Interview - Gerong Tupton - https://hyp.is/go?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvIbLQQ1i56Y&group=world

for - book - More Everything Forever - Adam Becker - from - Youtube - Essentia Foundation - interview - Alex Gomez-Marin - Neuroscientist speaks out on the hidden war on consciousness - https://hyp.is/ile8TIvJEfCl35MW3f5B8Q/www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7NIicE_h9w

for - from - Youtube - Essentia Foundation - interview - Alex Gomez-Marin - neuroscientist speaks out on the hidden war on consciousness - https://hyp.is/GEWtIovIEfCHTlOdPqfE7A/www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7NIicE_h9w

for - Q ? - Did someone create that consciousness? - Donald Hoffman

for - example - hard problem of consciousness - Simulation Theory - Donald Hoffman

for - quote / key insight - consciousness has created the brain as an icon to describe how it's creating this headset - Donald Hoffman

Philip, Rey (Editor)1 Description This interdisciplinary essay explores a forgotten hypothesis at the intersection of physics, philosophy, and fiction: that consciousness is not a byproduct of matter, but its ontological foundation. Tracing this idea from Heraclitus and Plato to Schrödinger and Penrose, the article integrates metaphysical traditions with quantum models and critiques of materialist reductionism. It introduces the Theory of Ontological Consciousness (TOC) — a literary-philosophical framework proposing ψ̂–Φ interactions as the generative basis of spacetime and form. The essay also reinterprets empirical anomalies, such as those documented by the Global Consciousness Project, as potential signatures of an underlying field of universal consciousness. For more on the Theory of Ontological Consciousness, visit www.toc-reality.org and follow new updates via Medium - https://medium.com/@philiprey.org

for - quote - consciousness vs cellular level intelligence - Michael Levin - key insight - high level governance (consciousness) vs low level intelligence adjacency hierarchical control - high level consciousness - low level micro intelligence quote - consciousness vs cellular level intelligence - Michael Levin - all intelligence is collective intelligence in the sense that - every agent is made of parts, all of us. - And what you want is for the (high level) agent to have a causal power that is not the same as simply tracking the microstates, the particles.

key insight - high level governance (consciousness) vs low level intelligence - This is a very important observation - It says that a multi-cellular being such as a human being can have consciousness that has agency for the entire organism and governs at that high level, and it must have this beyond just the cognition and intelligence at the lower cellular and subcellular level

for - unio mentalis - as a union of consciousness and language

for - adjacency - consciousness - spirituality - Gebser's 5 structures of consciousness - archaic - magic - mythic - mental - integral

for - quote - adjacency - Carl Jung - consciousness - language - dualism - loss of holism

for - relationship between - language and consciousness - intertwingled

for - Deep Humanity Being journey - bringing our shadow to consciousness - Question - How could we construct shadow awareness BEing journeys?

for - comparison - consciousness shift (Jean Gebser) vs Paradigm shift (Thomas Kuhn)

Mold's microtubules at work to take decisions.

for - Youtube - Techdenkers: Anil Seth - Exploring the Possibility of Artificcial consciousness - out of body experience - Anil Seth - good point - how do you explain seeing without eyes?

for - key insight - Buddhism - TIbetan - Clear light meditation - Tukdam at time of death - no longer capable of thinking, seeing, hearing, etc - all that's left is naked consciousness without even subject-object from Youtube - Between Life and Death: Understanding Tukdam - John D. Dunne

Very powerful teaching States of consciousness are not structures

Coming into soul consciousness through the heart

for - question - clarification - the outer world is collective consciousness - John Churchill

question - clarification - the outer world is collective consciousness - John Churchill - This is an obvious statement on the surface that - the inner world is individual consciousness and - the outer world is collective consciousness - What does he mean by "it's literally matter and it's like the shadow is literally out there"?

for - quote / insight - difference - between states of consciousness and psychological infrastructure - John Churchill

quote / insight - difference - between states of consciousness and psychological infrastructure - John Churchill - (see below) - States of Consciousness are not structures - I can - huff and puff my breath for an hour or - take some plant medicine or - do a meditation technique that might open up a particular state - Now that state might even stick but the state isn't the same thing as the structure which means - whenever you come back to your structure, - you come back to where you really are - Back to Baseline

for - definition - psychological infrastructure - John Churchill - definition - state of consciousness - John Churchill - comparison - psychological infrastructure vs state of consciousness - John Churchill - quote - states (of consciousness) are cheap, traits ( of psychological infrastructure) are expensive - John Churchill

Typewriter Video Series - Episode 85: Integral Paper Rolls by [[Joe Van Cleave]]

for - adjacency - inside / outside - complexity / simplicity - multi scale competency architecture - black box - example - human consciousness

adjacency - between - inside / outside - black box - multi scale competency architecture - complexity / simplicity - adjacency relationship - inside / outside complexity /simplicity relationship articulates - the black box phenomenal prevalent in design and also - what Michael has been talking about with the complexity naturally found at lower levels of multi scale competency architectures - As he noted earlier, in this lab experiments, - it's practical to make use of the higher level signals in the living system - and virtually impossible to make use of trying to manage the lower level system signals - I like to think of human consciousness in the same terms - What appears to consciousness are signals like intero-ception signals of hunger that creates the thought ' I'm hungry, I want to get some food ' - whilst countless lies level signals that operate all the cells in our body are invisible

Michael Pollan quit caffeine for 3 months. He says that your relation to caffeine becomes clear when you come off it. He said that he felt a veil between him and reality when he was not having caffeine. Essentially, we have "... caffeinated consciousness".

for - David Chalmers - hard problem of consciousness - citation - Federico Faggin - Giacomo Mauro D'ariano - Hard Problem and Free Will: An Information-Theoretical Approach

Comment - Federico Faggins, in other talks emphasizes that - consciousness is not an epi-phenomena of materalism, but rather - consciousness is a foundational experience and materialism is derived from it -

for - definition - privacy principle - quantum informational panpsyichism theory of consciousness - Federico Faggin - Giacomo Mauro D'Airiano

definition - privacy principle - experience isnot shareable, even in principle

for - definition - psycho-informational principle - P1 - quantum informational panpsyichism theory of consciousness - Federico Faggin - Giacomo Mauro D'Ariano

definition - psycho-informational principle - Consciousness is the information system's experience of its own information state and processing

for - definition - psycho - purity principle - quantum informational theory of consciousness - Federico Faggin - Giacomo Mauro D'Ariano

definition - psycho-purity principle - the state of teh conscious system is pure

for - Giocomo Mauro D'Ariano - Federico Faggin - Hard Problem and Free Will: An Information-Theoretical Approach - consciousness research

reference - youtube discussion of this paper by Giocomo Mauro D'Ariano - https://via.hypothes.is/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDb1XyS8gTo

for - quote - classical physics supervenes on quantum physics, which supervenes on quantum information, which supervenes on consciousness - Federico Faggin - Giocomo Mauro D'Ariano

for - quote - consciousness - model of - as a quantum field - Federico Faggin - question - about Federico Faggin's quantum field theory of consciousness - Is it neo-dualistic?

quote - consciousness - model of - as a quantum field - Federico Faggin - (see below) - Think of the body as a structure in space and time - It is both - classical - cells are made of particles, atoms and molecules that interact quantumly in space and time - AND fields - The body is a bridge between consciousness and the classical (objective spacetime) world - The body reports to the conscious field - and creates quantum states inside the cell

potential future dialogue - Michael Levin and Federico Faggin - To unpack quantum states at cellular or subcellular level, it would be good to see a dialogue between Michael Levin and Federico Faggin

for - consciousness - incomplete knowledge of science - hole in understanding - physics - neuroscience - quantum mechanics - Federico Faggin

for - quote - no cloning theorem - quantum mechanics - extended to consciousness and qualia - Frederico Faggin - hard problem of consciousness - no cloning theorem and private inner world of qualia - Frederico Faggin quote - no cloning theorem - quantum mechanics - extended to consciousness and qualia - Frederico Faggin - (see below) - What I feel what I feel is private. - What you feel is private. - You cannot transfer it to me - In order to tell you what I feel, I must translate that private feeling into classical information bit saying what I say. - The symbols must be this. - They must be sharable. - They must be copyable to share. You need to copy. Yeah. - My inner experience cannot be copied. And there is something in physics that cannot be copy. - In Quantum state, there is the "no cloning theorem", which says do not copy. - Not only that, but the maximum information that you can get if you make a measurement of the quantum state is one bit per quantum bit. - Olivas theorem says that and we have or Labor's theorem ourselves. What I can say about what I feel is much, much less

for - mortality salience - consciousness survives the body - ancients were right, contemporary science is inconclusive - Frederico Faggin

for - unpack - key insight - with the postulate of consciousness as the foundation, it makes sense that this is - an inner reality made of qualia - and an outer reality made of shareable symbols we call matter - Federico Faggin - question - about Federico Faggin's ideas - in what way is matter a symbol? - adjacency - poverty mentality - I am the universe who wants to know itself question - in what way is matter a symbol? - Matter is a symbol in the sense that it - we describe reality using language, both - ordinary words as well as - mathematics - It is those symbolic descriptions that DIRECT US to jump from one phenomena to another related phenomena. - After all, WHO is the knower of the symbolic descriptions? - WHAT is it that knows? Is it not, as FF points out, the universe itself - as expressed uniquely through all the MEs of the world, that knows? - Hence, the true nature of all authentic spiritual practices is that - the reality outside of us is intrinsically the same as - the reality within us - our lebenswelt of qualia

for - answer - It has to be taken as a postulate - Federico Faggin - to question - how can we test that consciousness is the foundation of reality?

for - question - how do you test the theory that consciousness is the foundation of reality? ( to Federico Faggin)

for - Federico Faggin (FF) - analytic idealism - consciousness - Deep Humanity

summary - This is an good talk that introduces Federico Faggin's (FF) ideas about consciousness from the perspective of analytic idealism, the idea that consciousness is the most fundamental aspect of reality and that materialism is an epiphenomena of consciousness, not the other way around - Bernado Kastrup's organization, Essentia Foundation invited FF to the Netherlands to give a talking tour of his new - book "Irreducible" - https://www.collectiveinkbooks.com/essentia-books/our-books/irreducible-consciousness-life-computers-human-nature - and they visited the prestigous semiconductor design company ASML' facilities, - https://www.asml.com/en - where this insightful talk was delivered - FF reconciles scientific explanation with the hard problem of consciousness and our ordinary, everyday experience of consciousness - FF's theory offers - a good western, science-based explanatory framework that is consistent with - the experiential and theoretical framework from the east - from - Tibetan Buddhist - Zen Buddhist - Vedic - and other ancient ideas of emptiness<br /> - This framing heals the divide between science and religion that has created a meaning crisis in modernity - and by so doing, also addresses a core issue of the meaning crisis - mortality salience

for - empathy - deep meaning - universal consciousness perspective - Rupert Spira

for - quote - claim - natural impulse of finite minds - to revert from finite mind back to infinite consciousness - Rupert Spira

for - duality - infinite consciousness - mistaking itself for finite counsciousness - entangled with the content of experience - Rupert Spira

duality - infinite consciousness - mistaking itself for finite counsciousness - entangled with the content of experience - Rupert Spira - What does this really mean? - What does it mean to be entangled? - What does it take to get dis-entangled? - It would seem that falling into suffering through unbalanced - self-identify and - self cherishing - is what he is getting at

for - metaphor - analogy - dissociation - Bernardo Kastrup - to - 3D imax cinema - localize Rupert Spira - terminology - dissociate - Bernado Kastrup - terminology - localize and contract - Rupert Spira - universal consciousness contracts to finite human consciousness - question - meaning of dissociate - Bernardo Kastrup

metaphor - analogy - dissociation - Bernardo Kastrup - to - 3D imax cinema - Rupert Spira - At 3d Imax cinema, we wear a pair of special glasses - that make the otherwise fuzzy image to acquire a 3rd dimension - In the same way, our raw universal consciousness is like the fuzzy pattern we see on the 3d Imax screen when we DON'T have any special glasses on - When we perceive and think, it is like putting on the 3D glasses in the Imax theatre and suddenly we see objects with great clarity - Spira talks about universal consciousness "localizing" within its own activity - in the form of a finite mind of a human being

question - meaning of dissociate - Bernardo Kastrup - Does Kastrup mean that we infinite / universal consciousness dissociates from itself into the finite human consciousness? - answer - It appears so, as at time 45:50, Spira summarizes Kastrup's views on dissociation

for - adjacency - key insight - quote - localization enables (infinite or universal consciousness) to perceive itself - Rupert Spira - discerning single voice at a busy party metaphor - existential isolation - umwelt

adjacency - between - key insight - quote - localization enables (infinite or universal consciousness) to perceive itself - Rupert Spira - discerning single voice at a busy party metaphor - existential isolation - adjacency relationship - quote - localization enables (infinite or universal consciousness) to perceive itself - Rupert Spira - This localization process enables (infinite) consciousness to perceive itself as the universe because - infinite consciousness cannot perceive its own activity directly - because if infinite consciousness were to perceive the universe directly - it would have to do so from every single point of view in the universe - It would be the deepest, darkest black image you could imagine - So in order to perceive an object - (infinite) consciousness must localize itself as an apparently separate subject so - the apparent localization of our self or - the dissociation of ourselves - as finite minds out of infinite consciousness enables - perception and - thought

• There is a metaphor that applies here:
  • At a busy dinner party, many people are talking at the same time
  • As the number of people approach infinite, the signal becomes more difficult to detect
  • In the same manner, as the activities of the universe are seemingly unbounded, how could infinite consciousness possibly observe its own infinite entirety?
  • Existential isolation is deemed depressing because it makes us feel intrinsically separated and disconnected from others, yet
    • it may be very necessary
  • Can you imagine hearing and understanding the voices of every human being, much less every living being?
  • An individual human does not have the capacity to process all that information
  • In the same manner, the body of every living organism is fine tuned for only one specific set of unwelts
  • How would we process the unbound amounts of information if we had an infinite number of different detectors?

for - key insight - universal consciousness contracts to localized human consciousness - experiences its own activity as the outside universe - Rupert Spira

for - comparison - Amazon Prime - Castle Rock - Stephen King - compared to - Michael Levin caterpillar to butterfly metamorphosis - adjacency - universal - vs localized consciousness - empathy - Michael Levin - caterpillar to butterfly

adjacency - between - Stephen King movie "castle rock" - universal consciousness - localized, individual consckousness - empathy - adjacency relationship - Bernardo compares the Stephen King movie series "Castle Rock" with ghostly beings taking over the identify of an existing physical body. - Universal consciousness is in all of us - but we strongly identify with the localized consciousness - In Michael Levin's caterpillar to butterfly process, - the living being has memories of a caterpillar but what happens when it becomes a butterfly? Those memories don't confer any meaning to the butterfly - But beneath both the butterfly and the caterpillar, the universal consciousness is at the ground layer - When we experience others as ourselves, because we have the same universal consciouness, - then we can truly enact empathy as an expression of recognition

for - quotation - Rupert Spira - reality lies behind the multiplicity and diversity of appearances and is concealed by them

quotation - Rupert Spira - reality lies behind the multiplicity and diversity of appearances and is concealed by them - A subset of this claim is that the same universal consciousness is in the multiplicity and diversity of appearances of human INTERbeCOMings

for - Michael Levin

summary - A very insightful and wide-ranging interview with Michael Levin on consciousness

for - Federico Faggin - quantum physics - consciousness

summary - Frederico Faggin is a physicist and microelectronic engineer who was the developer of the world's first microprocessor at Intel, the Intel 4004 CPU. - Now he focuses his attention on developing a robust and testable theory of consciousness based on quantum information theory. - What sets Frederico apart from other scientists who are studying consciousness is a series of profound personal 'awakening'-type experiences in which has led to a psychological dissolution of the sense of self bounded by his physical body - This profound experience led him to claim with unshakable certainty that our individual consciousness is far greater than our normal mundane experience of it - Having a science and engineering background, Faggin has set out to validate his experiences with a new scientific theory of Consciousness, Information and Physicality (CIP) and Operational Probabilistic Theory (OPT)

to - Frederico Faggin's website - https://hyp.is/JTGs6lr9Ee-K8-uSXD3tsg/www.fagginfoundation.org/what-we-do/j - Federico Faggin and paper: - Hard Problem and Free Will: - an information-theoretical approach - https://hyp.is/styU2lofEe-11hO02KJC8w/link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-85480-5_5

for - AI - consciousness - not possible - Frederico Faggin

for - consciousness - primacy of in physics - quotations from famous scientists

for - hard problem of consciousness - Federico Faggin

for - Federico Faggin - personal journey - profound awakening experience - reorientation of consciousness - from materialist - to idealist

for - consciousness - takes place in quantum reality

for - definition - Consciousness Information and Physicality (CIP) - definition - Operational Probabilistic Theory (OPT)

for - consciousness - quantum explanation depends on - difference between - quantum physics - and classical physics

consciousness - quantum explanation depends on - difference between - quantum physics - and classical physics - quantum state evolves in Hilbert space - enables computation of probabilities of what one measures in space-time - but doesn't tell you what you will measure - This difference is critical for describing consciousness as a quantum phenomena

for - quantum-information-based-panpsychism - consciousness - relationship - quantum information - to consciousness

consciousness - relationship - quantum information - to consciousness - classical physics supervenes on quantum physics - quantum physics supervenes on quantum information - quantum information supervenes on consciousness

for - Hard Problem and Free Will - an information-theoretical approach - consciousness research - Federico Faggin - Giocomo Mauro D'Ariano

Everchanging nature of identity seen in the everchanging nature or fragments/figures of consciousness, replacing one another until harmony is reached between contradictions and duality, into full knowledge

Consciousness HAS to adapt to the environment

for - comparison - brain vs machine intelligence

comparison - brain vs machine intelligence - the brain is inferior to machine in many ways - many times slower - much less accurate - network of neurons is mostly isolated in its own local environment, not connected to a global network like the internet - Yet, it is able to perform extraordinary things in spite of that - It is able to create meaning out of sensory inputs - Can we really say that a machine can do this?

06:30 Reaching goals isn't the point. Goals structures one's consciousness (give direction, perspective, clarity). Wanting certainty for a goal doesn't matter as much.

for - definition - temporal conscientization - adjacency - temporal conscientization - Deep Humanity - poly-meta-perma-crisis - terror management - denial of death - Paolo Freire - denial of death - Ernest Becker - terror management - book - Critical Consciousness

definition - temporal conscientization - introduced by Paolo Freire n his book, temporal conscientization means becoming conscious of historical change, our - past, -present and - futures - For people to intervene in the movement of history, - people need to understand - how they got to where they are now, - the era that they are coming from, but as well to understand - the movements and potentialities of change that are leading to different futures.

adjacency - between - temporal conscientization - Deep Humanity - poly-meta-perma-crisis - terror management theory - denial of death - adjacency statement - Deep Humanity has always elevated the idea of knowing the past, present and future in order to frame meaning for navigating our future. - This is precisely the awareness of temporal conscientization. - Deep considerations of death, - and subsequently what meaning we can derive from life - is an integral part of the Deep Humanity exercise - A major theme of religions is the afterlife, or some continuation of consciousness after the process of death - In the context of temporal conscientization, - looking and - imagining - what our - individual and - collective future - looks like - the proposal of an afterlife is a terror management strategy to cope with our denial of death - Perhaps the emergence of the present poly-meta-perma-crisis is - a cultural indication to the collective intelligence of the human social superorganism that - the time has come to develop a mature theory of life and death that is - accessible to every member of our species so that - we can put the fragmenting, isolating existential question to rest once and for all

Hartlib Papers 30/4/47A, Ephemerides 1640, Part 2.

In extolling the Ark of Studies created by Thomas Harrison, Samuel Hartlib indicated that the combinations of information and the potential links between them created the "argumentative part" of the system. In some sense this seems to be analogous to the the processing power of an information system if not specifically creating its consciousness.

53:00 Sleep is a state of consciousness. You can't apply techniques to sleep.

Similarly, flow is a state of consciousness. It is something that happens to you. Create an environment that is conducive for sleep or flow to emerge.

09:00 Body and identity disappears — how I feel, what other people think — when in flow/ecstasy. We can't process more information when we are fully engaged with one task. "Existence is temporarily suspended"

16.57 Trials give revelations, which then transform consciousness

for - talk - David Ray Griffin - time, consciousness and freedom from Whitehead process perspective

for - definition - consciousness - active inference

definition - consciousness - active inference - In Levin's opinion, one important aspect of defining consciousness that seems generally overlooked is outputs - actions - active inference is a field that deals with the actions that result from intelligence - currently, there is a greater focus on the input / perception side of consciousness but not as strong a focus on the output / action side

• for: hard problem of consciousness - UTok, question - consciosness - UTok mind 1a, Gregg Henrique

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• question - consciousness - UTok mind 1b
  • This is a great diagram and conveys a lot in a succinct manner.
  • However, I have a gut feeling that the Mind 01a is not quite the right representation
  • If language and analysis is in the Mind 3 domain, then it is combined with Mind 1b as neurocognition is itself a mental construction, rather than an object
  • All this addresses that there is a deep entanglement between many scientifically analytically rich "objects" and constructed ideas
    • Scientific objects are spoken about and mixed with non-scientifically-laden objects in the world as if they are one and the same. They are not. Scientifically-laden objects have a huge amount of analytic theory behind them. Without familiarity with that theory, the object loses its validity, especially to the lay person.
    • This could be a possible explanation of why scientists are losing their credibility in modernity and giving rise to alternative facts, misinformation and fake news
      • https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2022/02/15/americans-trust-in-scientists-other-groups-declines/

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• for: evolutionary biology, big history, DH, Deep Humanity, theories of consciousness, ESP project, Earth Species Project, Michael Levin, animal communication, symbiocene

• title: The Deep History of Ourselves: The Four-Billion-Year Story of How We Got Conscious Brains

• author: Joseph LeDoux
• date: Jan. 2023

• doi: 0.1080/09515089.2022.2160311

• ABSTRACT

  • The essence of who we are depends on our brains.
  • They enable us to think, to
    • feel joy and sorrow,
    • communicate through speech,
    • reflect on the moments of our lives, and to
      • anticipate,
      • plan for, and
      • worry about our imagined futures.
  • Although some of our abilities are comparatively new, key features of our behavior have deep roots that can be traced to the beginning of life.
  • By following the story of behavior, step-by-step, over its roughly four-billion-year trajectory,
    • we come to understand both
      • how similar we are to all organisms that have ever lived, and
      • how different we are from even our closest animal relatives.
  • We care about our differences because they are ours. But differences do not make us superior; they simply make us different.

• comment

  • good article to contribute to a narrative of the symbiocene and a shift of humanity to belonging to nature as one species, instead of dominating nature as the apex species
• question
  • @Gyuri, Could indranet search algorithm have made the connection between this article and the symbiocene artilces in my mindplex had I not explicitly made the associations manually through my tags? It needs to be able to do this
• Also interesting to see how this materialistic outlook of consciousness
  • which is similiar to the Earth Species Project work and Michael Levin's work on synthesizing new laboratory life forms to answer evolutionary questions about intelligence
• relates to nonmaterial ideas about consciousness

29:00 We structure our consciousness around goals; else we fall into entropy (Rian Doris)

• for: hard problem of consciousness - sensory motor theory, explanatory gap

• for: hard problem of consciousness - sensory motor theory

• for: explanatory gap

• comment

• insight
  • there is very little research on the role of language in the explanatory gap of the hard problem of consciousness

• for: interesting idea - project to shift consciousness in Alberta

• comment

• interesting idea: project to shift consciousness in Alberta
  • When there is a surplus use it to spend a billion dollars over the next 10 years, 100 million each year given away in 10 million dollar tranches
  • communities of approx. 15,000 people can apply for the 10 million dollar grant to raise consciousness and understand the modernity frame they currently unconsciously live within
  • in order to change the system, you have to first be aware of it and how that system is in you
  • This is an evolutionary experiment because nobody has tried to change a complex system like this before

• for: materialism Vs panpsychism

• comment

  • Husserl's phenomenology, especially his views on epoche in his later years lean more towards panpsychism although they are different in a nuanced way.
  • there is direct, pure biological phenomenological experience ,- Epoche may give us a taste of it, interment meditation may go further and the deepest meditation of decades of intense practice may re-immerse us in it.
  • Feral children who grow into feral adults, an extremely rare occurrence, may have an immersive experience of it
  • social conditioning of language bind meaning tightly to our construction and experience of objects in our sensory field
  • it is extremely difficult to disentangle our conditioned meaning with prelinguistic phenomenological experience of reality
  • spiritual awakening or enlightenment would appear to show that it is possible
  • When we attach such strong meaning to ideas, such as to scientific ideas, "material* objects, in spite of their attached, implicit symbolic complexity, appear to have a natural, autonomous and obvious existence.
  • in this way, our conscious constructs become solidified and mistaken for concrete, autonomously existent objects. Consciousness then comes to mistaken variants of consciousness itself with autonomously existent objects

• for: scientific naturalism - circular argument, logical error, subjectivity - explanation, quote, quote - studying consciousness

• quote: consciousness

  • Human subjectivity is the foundation oof all scientific knowledge. Therefore, there is a logical error in trying to explain the foundation through what it has founded.

• author: Doris Elida Fuster Guillen

• comment

  • Alternative way to state it
    • Human subjectivity is the foundation oof all scientific knowledge. Therefore, there is a logical error in trying to explain the foundation through what itself.

• for: scientific naturalism - critique, scientific naturalism - phenomenology, consciousness - objectification of, SELF-consciousness

• comment

  • Good observation that is quite salient to the hard problem of consciousness. Language can be used to describe any observable pattern.
  • Our own bodies are an observable pattern. As we associate our consciousness with our body, It is a small step to observe our own consciousness. SELF-consciousness is what allows us to be observer and observed at different times.

• for: quote - consciousness, quote - mind body problem, quote - hard problem of consciousness, quote - Thomas Nagel

• quote

  • Without consciousness the mind-body problem would be much less interesting. With consciousness it seems hopeless.

• comment

  • consciousness is primordial and
  • stable, observable patterns that emerge in our field of consciousness is also primordial
  • the primordiality of these two, awareness and stability of observable patterns WITHIN awareness itself, are the two pillars that constitute the mind-body problem
  • in particular, the pattern of "other consciousnesses" is also another pattern that arises from within consciousness itself
  • The brain is a construction, a synthesized idea that emerges out of a dynamic amalgamation of countless accumulated patterns
  • In this respect, it is no different in quality than other complex constructed ideas we humans create, it only differs by degree and by kind
  • Were we to purely sense a human brain, for instance when a surgeon opens the skull in an operation, without the vast associative network of ideas associated with it, could we even consider how brain and mind are connected except in the most naive way?
  • Language is deeply encoded in every culturally conditioned modern human. Then advanced education in a specific field of knowledge encodes even more esoteric and deeper types of language conditioning.
  • Husserl's idea of phenomenological reduction, or epoche taken to its logical conclusion results in an impossible task, for we cannot severe the deeply entangled nature of meaning that our entire lives of cultural conditioning has enculturated into us.
  • The symbolosphere is now a part of us. We cannot undo such deep conditioning easily. You cannot simply dissociate meaning from the letters and words of your native and learned languages. Indeed, it is this deep symbolic conditioning that spans the decades of our childhood and adolescence that allows us to observe a symbol and effortlessly associate meaning to it.
  • Epoche, no matter how carefully crafted cannot uncondition such deep conditioning
  • It can, however, give us insight of the unconditioned from the perspective of the conditioned consciousness
  • We cannot become feral people even if we wanted to, nor, I suspect, would we want to experience reality permanently in that state
  • This brings up the question of what the process of spiritual enlightenment is designed to achieve
  • Is it a temporary suspension, an incomplete epoche that provides us with sufficient insight to lead to some kind of permanent shift where the insight stays with us and affects our lives in a beneficial way?

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• for: adjacency - consciousness - multiscale context

• adjacency between

  • Michael's example
  • my idea of how consciousness fits into a multiscale system
• adjacency statement
  • from a Major Evolutionary Transition of Individuality perspective, consciousness might be seen as a high level governance system of a multicellular organism
  • this begs the question: consciousness is fundamentally related to individual cells that compose the body that the consciousness appears to be tethered to
  • question: Is there some way for consciousness to directly access the lower and more primitive MET levels of its own being?

• for: panpsychism, Spinoza, universal consciousness

• for: Michael Levin - slime mold experiment, question - new theory of consciousness from a single cell

• question

  • is it possible that a theory can be constructed to explain consciousness from the behavior of a single cell organism such as a slime mold?

• for: structure first, process second, mind first, consciousness second

• comment

  • claim
    • strictly speaking, all structures are processes. Those structures that seem stable over long periods of time are very stable processes. Pragmatically, however, we can distinguish.
    • example
      • molecules are made of arrangements of atoms but atoms themselves are composed of subatomic particles and these have a particle/wave duality

• summary
  • Konstantin Anokhin proposes a theory of consciousness based on the concept of the cognitome and consists of three principal claims:

    - the study of the structure (mind) must precede the study of the processes that take place within the structure (consciousness)

https://web.archive.org/web/20231023080315/https://www.psybertron.org/archives/17877

Ian on Dennett wrt consciousness and how Dennett's position is misrepresented often.

quote from Christoph Adami at https://twitter.com/ChristophAdami/status/1711583362647814485

Re: George Ellis https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-03061-y

Physicists and quantum mechanics as solution to consciousness.

See also: Physics in Mind: A Quantum View of the Brain by Werner R. Loewenstein

• for: key claim, key claim - natural history of awareness leading evolution of consciousness, natural history - awareness leading to consciousnessn

• for: interspecies communications, animal consciousness, animal consciousness - octopus

• summary

  • Dr. David Edelman presents on the subject of the natural history of the awareness of the octopus
  • The octopus is one of the most complex of invertebrates and its study can give clues about how sensory awareness and consciousness developed in animals

Some experiments which involve conscious perception of external stimuli with reports/tasks have shown activation of prefrontal areas, but this activation may have been related to the reports/tasks rather than the conscious experiences (not indicative of content-specific NCC). Other experiments which involve conscious perception of external stimuli without reports/tasks showed more posterior activation than anterior activation (indicative of content-specific NCC).

Within-state paradigms comparing conscious individuals to unconscious or minimally conscious individuals have revealed posterior area activity to show the most difference between consciousness and unconsciousness or minimal consciousness (there is a "posterior hot zone" which may be indicative of the NCC).

Compared with case studies (lesions) and electrical stimulation studies, neuroimaging studies are less accurate in determining the exact brain regions that contribute to consciousness. Neuroimaging often covers multiple brain areas, some of which may not be directly involved in modulating content-specific NCC.

bottom-horizontal fMRI images of someone wo experienced anoxic lesions to their posterior corpus callosum, resulting in permanent coma following head trauma.

Sagittal fMRI image of an individual who displayed content-specific changes in experience (feeling of intention to move) following electrical stimulation of the temporoparietal cortex.

Mid-sagittal fMRI image of an individual who displayed content-specific changes in experience (intrusive thoughts) following electrical stimulation of the ACC.

Bottom-horizontal fMRI image of an individual who displayed content-specific changes in experience (inability to perceive faces) following electrical stimulation of the fusiform gyrus.

Many studies have demonstrated that electrical stimulation of the posterior cortex induces discrete changes in the content-specific NCC more reliably than electrical stimulation of the anterior cortex. Hence, most evidence suggests that posterior regions of the brain contribute more to the content-specific NCC than do anterior regions of the brain.

For the most part, electrical and TMS stimulation of the frontal cortex does not elicit content-specific changes in experience. Stimulation of the ACC and MCC (posterior areas), however, does elicit some content-specific changes in experience, suggesting that posterior area stimulation is more likely to excite content-specific NCC than frontal area stimulation.

Several studies have shown that electrical stimulation and EEG activation of posterior cortical areas is effective at restoring consciousness in subjects where it is impaired, demonstrating that the excitability of the full NCC can be modulated through arousal systems.

A technique that detects how water travels along the white matter tracts in the brain.

anatomical images depicting clinical evidence for the full (A, B, C) and content-specific (D, E, F) NCC.

Patterns of rhythm and sound used in poetry.

mid-sagittal fMRI image of someone who experienced anoxic lesions to their posterior corpus callosum, resulting in permanent VS following head trauma.

traumatic lesions to the posterior corpus callosum appear to permanently cause states of VS (coma, or impeded consciousness), whereas traumatic lesions to the frontal lobe do not seem to do this.

Behavioral state similar to coma.

Bilateral view of the left and right frontal lobes of someone who experienced extensive prefrontal lobe damage without a noticeable change in consciousness, with certain anatomical regions labeled (top). Lateral view of the left and right hemispheres of that same individual, with certain anatomical regions labeled (bottom).

There are many examples of people who have experienced bilateral lesions to the frontal lobe and still retained most, if not all aspects of consciousness. These instances lend credence to the idea that the anterior cortex may not account for the full NCC. Even when such damage causes deficits in cognition, perception, or executive function, consciousness does not appear to be significantly altered and effected individuals still seem capable of living normal lives.

The NCC and related processes represented in a diagram of the brain. Content-specific NCC are represented in red, full NCC are represented in orange (as a union of all content-specific NCC), neuronal activating systems and global enabling factors modulating full NCC activity are represented in green, processing loops modulating some content-specific NCC are represented in beige, sensory pathways modulating some content-specific NCC are represented in pink, and outputs from NCC are represented in blue.

Recent research has placed emphasis on distinguishing "background conditions" that indirectly generate consciousness from neural processes that directly generate consciousness (or distinguishing consciousness itself from its precursors and consequences). Some neural processes, such as processing loops involved in executive functions, activity along sensory pathways, and activity along motor pathways may tangentially affect the full NCC via modulation of the content specific NCC.

• for: animals getting high, animals seeking altered state of consciousness, lemurs - getting high, dolphins - getting high, apes - getting high

30:00 confronting chaos, generating order

• see zk on flow as ordering consciousness

• comment
  • Michael does not know what the format of the answer to the hard problem would be
  • Attempting to explain the experience of consciousness begs the question
    • what is explanation?
  • The explanation often attempts to rely on measurable 3rd party observations and the scientific theories and models behind those observations
  • However, as Michel Bitbol points out, the models themselves emerge from the same awareness of consciousness
    • https://hyp.is/gQt0wlg_Ee6ftXcrEi3Z-g/docdrop.org/video/bzPu_USZ-0o/
  • In spiritual teachings, it is often claimed that the observer is actually an expression of the universe that see's itself
  • Seeing itself - what does this mean in scientific terms? Could it mean resonance, like the kind used by musicians to tune string instruments like guitars?
  • Do all the patterns that we sense become sensible precisely because they are all an intrinsic part of us, and vice versa?

• paraphrase
  • Karl Friston takes Andy Clark's perspective
    • the real problem is a meta problem
      • why do we spend so much time trying to make sense of our sense-making?
  • Karl talks about futures and different pathways to the futures
  • Humans seem to have this unique property to plan futures, some of which are counter-factual

• for: hard problem of consciousness

• for: question, question - hard problem of consciousness, question - Micheal Levin - Michel Bitbol

• question

  • What would Michel Bitbol think of what Michael Levin claims here?
  • What does Michel Bitbol think about Michael Levin's research and the hard problem of consciousness?

• for: key question, key question - hard problem of consciousness
• key questions
  • how could there be natural phenomena that are private and thus independent of physical processes
    • or how come they seem private?
  • what is the exact relationship between cognitive content and phenomenal consciousness?

• for: AI - consciousness, zombies, question, question - AI - zombie
• question: AI
  • is AI a zombie?
  • It would seem that by interviewing AI, there would be no way to tell if it's a zombie or not
    • AI would say all the right things that would try to convince you that it's not a zombie

• for: nonduality, non-duality, duality, dualism, hard problem of consciousness, explanatory gap, relativistic theory of consciousness, human INTERbeing, human INTERbeCOMing, Deep Humanity, DH
• title: A Relativistic Theory of Consciousness
• author: Nir Lahav, Zahariah A. Neemeh

• date: May 12, 2022

• abstract

  • In recent decades, the scientific study of consciousness has significantly increased our understanding of this elusive phenomenon.
  • Yet, despite critical development in our understanding of the functional side of consciousness, we still lack a fundamental theory regarding its phenomenal aspect.
  • There is an “explanatory gap” between
    • our scientific knowledge of functional consciousness and
    • its “subjective,” phenomenal aspects,
  • referred to as the “hard problem” of consciousness.
  • The phenomenal aspect of consciousness is the first-person answer to “what it’s like” question, and
    • it has thus far proved recalcitrant to direct scientific investigation.
  • Naturalistic dualists argue that it is composed of a primitive, private, non-reductive element of reality that is independent from the functional and physical aspects of consciousness.
  • Illusionists, on the other hand, argue that it is merely a cognitive illusion, and that all that exists are ultimately physical, non-phenomenal properties.
  • We contend that both the dualist and illusionist positions are flawed because they tacitly assume consciousness to be an absolute property that doesn’t depend on the observer.
  • We develop a conceptual and a mathematical argument for a relativistic theory of consciousness in which
    • a system either has or doesn’t have phenomenal consciousness with respect to some observer.
  • Phenomenal consciousness is neither private nor delusional, just relativistic.
    • In the frame of reference of the cognitive system, it will be observable (first-person perspective) and
    • in other frame of reference it will not (third-person perspective).
  • These two cognitive frames of reference are both correct,
    • just as in the case of
      • an observer that claims to be at rest
      • while another will claim that the observer has constant velocity.
  • Given that consciousness is a relativistic phenomenon, neither observer position can be privileged,
    • as they both describe the same underlying reality.
  • Based on relativistic phenomena in physics
    • we developed a mathematical formalization for consciousness which bridges the explanatory gap and dissolves the hard problem.
  • Given that the first-person cognitive frame of reference also offers legitimate observations on consciousness,
    • we conclude by arguing that philosophers can usefully contribute to the science of consciousness by collaborating with neuroscientists to explore the neural basis of phenomenal structures.

• comment

  • This is a promising approach to solving the hard problem of consciosness

09:00 Suffering on journey to consciousness (before it arises)

Movies as portraying limited existence, but sometimes “signs” of consciousness

• In my opinion, well made movies, show a lot of signs of consciousness. See, for example, LOTR, with the rhoririm charge where there is a collective consciousness forming, or the scene in which Shanks stops Akainu.

02:30 No media/lessened consumption to remain more present

人工智能之父马文·明斯基（Marvin Minsky）曾经提出过一个著名的说法，人类大脑只不过是「一台用肉做的计算机」。

明斯基这一论断迫使彭罗斯很快写出了《皇帝新脑》，并在书中指出人类的思维永远不可能被机器模仿。这本书给人的感觉就好像跟着作者进行了一次关于意识非算法性质的脑内实验，以及为什么我们只能通过理解哥德尔定理和量子物理学来理解人类的意识。

已故于 2016 年的明斯基代表着另外一种截然不同观点，与彭罗斯对意识根源的探索形成了鲜明对比。在很多年前的一次采访中，明斯基曾经告诉笔者，「虽然我完全搞不懂晶体管的工作原理，但我能准确地理解计算机的工作原理。」

明斯基曾经将意识称为一种「皮包词语」，正因为它缺乏科学概念所必需的严谨性。「我们必须要用反思（Reflection）或者决定（Decisions）这样的词来替换意识一词，」明斯基说，「这样一来，与其讨论意识的神秘面纱，我们不如讨论一下意识过程中涉及到的 20 到 30 个重要的心理历程。当你真的完成了所有这些工作后，如果还有人问道，『那什么是意识呢？』你就可以回答说，『那玩意不过是 20 世纪时人类浪费时间的一种方式。』」

中文译文来自微信公众号「利维坦（liweitan2014）」2020 年的推送「意识无法被计算吗？」

对于意识的本质问题，彭罗斯的理论提出了一种更深层的解读。他的理论基于一个前提假设，即意识无法被计算，而且它绝非神经科学、生物学和物理学现阶段能够解释的问题。

在 2017 年的一次采访中，彭罗斯告诉笔者，「为了理解并认知意识，我们首先要经历一次对于物理世界的巨大认知变革。至于那个可以研究意识本质的领域，如果我们不打算完全脱离物理学范畴的话，那么该领域最有可能一直存在于那个巨大的谜题中，换句话说，我们首先要解开量子物理的谜题。」

彭罗斯将量子计算的基本特性吸收到他的理论中，即每一比特的信息，即量子位（Qubit）可以同时表现为多种状态，比如同时既是「激活」的，又是「未激活」的。在一次几乎是瞬间完成的计算之前，这些量子态（Quantum States）并未聚合（Coalescing），而是同时存在的，即叠加态（Ssuperposition）。而量子相干性（Quantum Coherence）只有在大量事件在量子态下同时发生的时候才会出现——比如某系统中的大量电子相互作用。

对此，哈默洛夫认为量子相干性发生于微管（Microtubule）中，这是一种大脑神经元内部的蛋白质结构。也许读者会好奇所谓微管到底是什么东西：它们是存在于真核细胞中的管状结构，可以把它看成是细胞骨架（Cytoskeleton）的一部分，它们可以在细胞活动时发挥决定性作用，这些细胞活动也包括细胞分裂在内，比如在有丝分裂时决定染色体的分离。

哈默洛夫认为，这些微管就是彭罗斯一直在为自己理论寻找的一种「量子装置」。在神经元中，微管可以帮助控制突触的连接强度，而它们管状的结构可以帮助它们免受周围更大的神经元带来的噪音影响。这些微管的对称、晶格结构恰恰是彭罗斯最感兴趣的。他相信这样的特征「散发着某种量子物理的气味」。

不过，想要对意识产生任何影响，你需要的不仅仅是随机且持续发生的量子相干性事件。这个过程首先要经过某种方式重组，或者重新经过精心的编排，人类正是因为这一重组过程才能做出有意识的选择。在彭罗斯与哈默洛夫提出的协同客观崩现（Orchestrated Objective Reduction，简称「Orch-OR」）理论中，他们认为人类大脑中的微管会精密编排、操纵这些有意识的瞬间，而正是这样的瞬间给了人脑处理信息并存储记忆的能力。

所谓「客观崩现」的概念则要涉及到彭罗斯对量子引力——即叠加态如何应用于不同的多个时空几何结构——方面的观点，他也把该理论视为目前物理学尚未发现的理论。然而所有这一切都是一个不可能被验证的、野心勃勃的假说，这个假说不过是借鉴了彭罗斯在量子力学领域和相对论领域对宇宙深层结构的思考。正如斯莫林说过的另一句话：「罗杰的所有观点都是相互勾连的扭量理论（Twistor Theory），无论是他的哲学思想、那些关于量子力学的观点，还是关于人类大脑与心灵的观点。」