Les Discriminations Fondées sur la Religion : Rapport de Synthèse 2025

Ce document de synthèse analyse l'état des discriminations fondées sur la religion en France, en s'appuyant sur les enquêtes et les interventions juridiques du Défenseur des droits. Il met en lumière l'écart croissant entre la réalité du cadre juridique et les perceptions sociales de la laïcité.

Synthèse pour la direction : Points clés

• Augmentation des faits rapportés : L'enquête « Accès aux droits » (2024) révèle que 7 % des personnes déclarent avoir subi une discrimination religieuse au cours des cinq dernières années (contre 5 % en 2016). Plus largement, les faits de discrimination ont bondi de 78 % entre 2021 et 2023.

• Profils les plus exposés : Les personnes de confession musulmane (ou perçues comme telles) sont les plus touchées (34 %), suivies des personnes d'autres confessions minoritaires (19 %).

Les femmes musulmanes portant un voile concentrent une part majeure des réclamations.

• Impact de la visibilité : Le port d'un signe religieux (même discret) multiplie par deux le risque de discrimination (15 % contre 6 % pour ceux qui n'en portent pas).

• Confusion juridique : Une part importante des discriminations résulte d'une interprétation erronée de la laïcité, souvent instrumentalisée pour exiger une neutralité là où elle ne s'applique pas (usagers des services publics, salariés du privé).

• Domaines critiques : L'emploi (privé et public) reste le premier domaine de réclamation, suivi par l'accès aux biens et services, l'éducation et la formation.

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I. État des lieux statistique : L’ampleur du phénomène

Le paysage religieux français est marqué par une double dynamique : une diversification des cultes (islam, protestantisme évangélique) et une désaffiliation religieuse croissante (58 % des Français se déclaraient sans religion en 2018).

1. Fréquence et perception

| Indicateur | Donnée 2024 | Évolution vs 2016 | | --- | --- | --- | | Population déclarant une discrimination religieuse | 7 % | +2 points | | Témoins de discriminations religieuses | 31 % | +10 points | | Musulmans déclarant des discriminations religieuses | 34 % | +7 points | | Sentiment que la laïcité est une "interdiction des signes" | 24 % | +10 points (vs 2020) |

2. Le facteur générationnel et intersectionnel

• Effet d'âge : Les 18-34 ans ont 2,5 fois plus de risques de déclarer une discrimination religieuse que les 55-79 ans. Cela s'explique par une phase d'insertion sociale charnière (études, premier emploi) et une plus grande sensibilité aux droits.

• Imbrication origine/religion : 53 % des personnes musulmanes déclarent également être discriminées en raison de leur origine ou de leur couleur de peau. L'appartenance religieuse est souvent inférée à partir de l'apparence physique ou du nom.

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II. Cadre juridique : Définitions et Compétences

Le Défenseur des droits intervient dans des situations précises définies par la loi, distinguant le langage courant de la qualification juridique.

1. Formes de discriminations traitées

• Directe : Traitement défavorable fondé sur la religion réelle ou supposée (refus d'embauche, licenciement).

• Indirecte : Pratique apparemment neutre (ex: interdiction générale des couvre-chefs) désavantageant spécifiquement un groupe religieux sans justification légitime.

• Harcèlement moral discriminatoire : Propos ou comportements hostiles répétés (ou un fait unique grave) portant atteinte à la dignité.

• Harcèlement d'ambiance : Climat de travail délétère (blagues déplacées, tags, rumeurs) touchant toutes les personnes exposées, même non ciblées directement.

2. Principes fondamentaux vs Interprétations erronées

• Laïcité : C'est un principe de liberté garantissant le libre exercice des cultes. Elle impose la neutralité à l'État et aux services publics, mais ne cantonne pas la religion à la sphère privée.

L'espace public n'est pas laïque.

• Neutralité : C'est un devoir pour les agents publics, qui doivent s'abstenir de manifester leurs opinions.

En revanche, les usagers du service public ne sont pas soumis à la neutralité.

• Liberté religieuse : Liberté absolue de conscience (interne) et liberté de manifester sa religion (externe), cette dernière ne pouvant être restreinte que par la loi pour des motifs d'ordre public.

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III. Analyse par domaines d'activité

1. Apprendre et se former

L'école est un lieu de tensions régulières autour de la loi de 2004 interdisant le port de signes religieux ostensibles.

• Élèves : Soumis à une obligation de "discrétion religieuse". Le cas des tenues comme l'abaya fait l'objet d'un examen in concreto : le vêtement peut être interdit s'il est accompagné d'un comportement manifestant une appartenance religieuse.

• Parents accompagnateurs : Le Conseil d'État confirme qu'ils ne sont pas soumis à la neutralité, sauf s'ils exercent des fonctions pédagogiques similaires à celles des enseignants à l'intérieur des classes.

• Restauration scolaire : Les menus de substitution ne sont pas un droit, mais leur mise en place n'est pas contraire à la laïcité. Leur suppression injustifiée peut être jugée discriminatoire.

2. Travailler

Le domaine de l'emploi concentre le plus de réclamations, marqué par une précarité accrue pour les personnes de confession musulmane (taux de chômage de 17 % contre 9 % en moyenne).

• Secteur Public : Neutralité stricte et absolue pour tous les agents.

• Secteur Privé : La liberté est le principe. L'employeur ne peut restreindre l'expression religieuse que par une clause de neutralité dans le règlement intérieur.

  • Cette clause doit répondre à un "besoin véritable" (prévention de conflits démontrés, image de marque auprès des clients).

• Elle doit être limitée aux salariés en contact avec la clientèle.- L'employeur doit tenter un reclassement avant tout licenciement.

Citation clé : « La seule présence de la tabaâ [marque sur le front] sur son front lors de l’entretien ne suffisait pas à établir qu’il ne respecterait pas, une fois en poste, ses obligations de neutralité et de laïcité. » — Analyse du Défenseur des droits sur un refus d'agrément dans la police.

3. Harcèlement et mesures de rétorsion

Le rapport souligne la persistance de comportements graves :

• Mises à l'écart de salariés en raison de leurs pratiques (ramadan, prière).

• Propos injurieux ("terroriste", " Lucifer").

• Le Défenseur des droits rappelle qu'aucune mesure de rétorsion (licenciement, mutation) n'est légale après le signalement d'une discrimination.

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IV. Le phénomène de non-recours

Malgré la hausse des faits, les victimes hésitent à saisir la justice ou le Défenseur des droits (seuls 23 % des victimes de discrimination religieuse engagent des démarches officielles).

Obstacles identifiés :

• Inefficacité perçue : Sentiment que "cela ne changera rien".

• Manque d'information : Difficulté à qualifier juridiquement les faits.

• Crainte des représailles : Peur de perdre son emploi ou d'être davantage stigmatisé.

• Banalisation : Climat médiatique et politique rendant ces comportements "normaux" aux yeux de certains.

Conclusion

Les discriminations fondées sur la religion en France ne sont pas seulement le fait de préjugés individuels, mais aussi le résultat de glissements sémantiques autour de la laïcité.

Le Défenseur des droits préconise une approche pédagogique et un rappel strict du droit pour éviter que la laïcité ne devienne un outil d'exclusion, particulièrement à l'égard des femmes musulmanes, cibles privilégiées de ces traitements défavorables.

Does this explain why two or more different mythologies/religions can use the same symbol? For example, both pagan, wiccan, and Christian practices use eggs as a symbol of rebirth (especially during the spring seasons).

In other words, mythology is the literary portion of belief; it can be used in conjunction with religion but is not the same thing. A few months ago, I learned from a friend that religion is the system, and myths are the literature/stories.

Is there stronger evidence that this form of permanent writing to an audience of gods was being done? Sources?

The great unchurching of America<br /> by [[Russell Contreras]] for Axios<br /> accessed on 2025-12-30T14:03:16

for - example - no self-correcting mechanism in religion - 10th commandment and slaves

religion ist nicht falsifizierbar. beispiel: leben nach dem tod. religion = pseudowissenschaft = rhetorik = idealismus = mentalismus = konstruktivismus

naturwissenschaften wurden unterwandert von geisteswissenschaftlern... wissenschaft gegen religion... realismus gegen idealismus

It seems to me like god is always on the side of whoever’s doing the talking. There are biblical justifications for all sorts of horrific things. Reminded me of the song The New World Order by Defiance, Ohio. https://noidearecords.bandcamp.com/track/the-new-world-order

I’m convinced that approaching one another with agape is something to strive for, but I find King’s arguments lacking when his only justification comes from a faith based perspective. How can we make a case of agape without relying on emulating a god we may not believe in. He seems to come at things with the idea that we deserve freedom because god wants us to have that. If we take god out of the equation, what justification remains? In an increasingly secular world, we need to find secular motivations for agape

James Marriott on the new christians

for - adjacency - translocal productive networks - cosmolocal - deep Humanity - trans-spiritually, trans-religion - in other words, these translocal productive networks are cosmolocal networks and - can Deep Humanity be framed as a 'universal spirituality or - trans-spirituality or - trans- religion - that compliments the translocal productive network?

for - quote - religion was trans-local - Michel Bauwens - new definition - trans-religion - a universal religion that transcends existing religions - one of the dominant theories of - anthropology, - human origins and - human evolution - is that our species had is origins in Africa and spread out to the rest of the world - The interesting thing is that if this iis indeed true, then we are all distant relatives in the family of humanity - and the various regional cultures that developed in isolation until relatively recently when modern transportation technology brought us into contact, are all related - third could be a unifying narrative that could motivate a universal human spirituality that re-integrates a fragmented modern humanity

for - atheist who believes we need religion - metaphor - diving deep

It seems that this is the only original part.. the rest has been modified.

Dr Dan McClellan

Department of Theology and Religion Honorary Fellow, Edward Cadbury Centre

for - silicon valley - latest religion - longterminism

comment - Interesting that in sustainability, shortermism of the market is seen as a handicap to addressing the polycrisis

The real-time death and resurrection story from the disciples' perspective

Religions use new technologies

The first major book printed by Guttenburg on his printing press was, of course, the Bible. Having biblical texts widely available in vernacular languages was one of the causes of the Reformation.

See also The Divided Dial: Episode 2 - From Pulpit to Politics | On the Media | WNYC Studios.

But the man did not chose evil anymore he chose a lesser evil and went to church instead, leaving the prostituted in the past.

Days still seem to pass, and here comes church again, where women sing out their ugly songs. The speaker probably says ugly songs because they have no impact on people.

the woman who is a prostituted is asking the speaker to come more often, maybe because that is how she makes her money. But when walking pass her neglected home he tries to rush through it to not fall to temptation and turn his back on Christianity.

The woman in the neglected house where people spit on the floor, asked the speaker why he didn't visit more often, because the speaker was the one paying her, making her feel better with money every time he gets sex from her.

Despite thinking of all the good and Holy things where Christians sang, the speaker still chooses to go into the evil house of sin where he feel to temptation.

Inside the church old women sang a song depicting about pain and sacrifice. Blood and thorns also represents Jesus Christ crucifixion.

A routing that has been done before and is now becoming old. I think it might be referring to church every Sunday .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people

"Religion is the opium of the people." — Karl Marx German: "Die Religion [...] ist das Opium des Volkes" Full sentence (with context): "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nUXSovNGNE

Bizarre framing of Islam in Malaysia and Indonesia by CNA.

CNA is supposedly a TV network in Singapore. What religion is dominant in Singapore? Mostly Buddhist (30%) whereas Muslims are only 15%. Their bias is obvious...

Diaspora: the jews living outside Israel (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diaspora)

Interesting musical roots for Reggae... Wonder if this is still present?

Mystical roots.

(Note, I give this the fiction tag because I might want to look into this mystical religion for fiction writing as inspiration)

Logical that marijuana (a drug) is correlated with the mystical concept of communicating with diseased spirits for marijuana makes you hallucinate (or perhaps it's demonic in nature?)

Οχι, δεν ειναι το "μονο" προβλημα.

Οι φανατικοι της βιβλου ειναι το κερασακι στην τουρτα. Και αυτοι κυβερνανε σημερα, και παλιοτερα σκοτωσαν τον Γιτζακ Ραμπιν επειδη υπεγραψε το Οσλο, σκοτωσαν τους ~50 στη Χεβρωνα και φυσικα ειναι αυτοι που συνεχιζουν τους επικοισμους.

Ilan Pape on the connectio of evangelical Christians with the Zionists, to speed up Jesus's resurrection.

Beyond Industrial Religion Instead of Industrial Religion - we can choose a new phrase wch has no incoherent baggage of 'industry' or 'religion' which have had their negative realities

for - book - roots of capitalism in medieval monasticism - La Religion industrielle: Monastère, manufacture, usine. Une généalogie de l'entreprise- Pierre Musso

for - adjacency - labor - religion - system change - Benjamin Suriano - Deep Humanity - quote - labor - religion - system change - Benjamin Suriano

quote - labor - religion - system change - Benjamin Suriano - (see below) - The failure to think through and cultivate labor, - as the material capacity for socially creating radical change, - leaves the religious, - as the cultural expression of real desires and intentions for radical change, - to its most repressively - alienating and -distorting forms. - If the disappearance of the standpoint of labor - has coincided with the return of the religious in the form of radical fundamentalisms, - might the return of the standpoint of labor, - in a new more holistic way, - coincide, - not with the disappearance of the religious, - but its return to a more rational form?

adjacency - between - labor - religion - system change - Benjamin Suriano - Deep Humanity - adjacency relationship - It is a well.known fact that most people do not like their jobs - If that is the case that - 5 days of inhabiting a unjoyful space is the price we pay for 2 days of inhabiting a joyful space - we should strive to invert this situation - If we spend - 33% of our life sleeping and - 50% working, - then half our life is spent in an emotionally lacking space and this is harmful - The big question is this: - How do we transform business so we that we make work - more meaning-full and - less meaning-less? - Another way to phrase the question is: - How did we rekindle the Deep Humanity found in each of us? - How did we rekindle the sacred in every moment, including at our place of work?

for - Federico Faggin (FF) - analytic idealism - consciousness - Deep Humanity

summary - This is an good talk that introduces Federico Faggin's (FF) ideas about consciousness from the perspective of analytic idealism, the idea that consciousness is the most fundamental aspect of reality and that materialism is an epiphenomena of consciousness, not the other way around - Bernado Kastrup's organization, Essentia Foundation invited FF to the Netherlands to give a talking tour of his new - book "Irreducible" - https://www.collectiveinkbooks.com/essentia-books/our-books/irreducible-consciousness-life-computers-human-nature - and they visited the prestigous semiconductor design company ASML' facilities, - https://www.asml.com/en - where this insightful talk was delivered - FF reconciles scientific explanation with the hard problem of consciousness and our ordinary, everyday experience of consciousness - FF's theory offers - a good western, science-based explanatory framework that is consistent with - the experiential and theoretical framework from the east - from - Tibetan Buddhist - Zen Buddhist - Vedic - and other ancient ideas of emptiness<br /> - This framing heals the divide between science and religion that has created a meaning crisis in modernity - and by so doing, also addresses a core issue of the meaning crisis - mortality salience

Losing to evil intentions is indeed a big problem in the world. Thanks for your comment, Import Reaction Video.

Philosophy & religion should inherently be taught in education, which would partially solve this problem. Ethics. Morality.

for - annotate - a new religion of life

question - Is it like Deep Humanity?

for - rapid whole system change - need for a new religion - Ronald Wright reflections

comment - Deep Humanity is not a religion, but a deeper understanding of our own humanity, what is it to be human? - but just as important, to understand the distinction between - human nature and - nature - For if human nature is a subset of nature, - which the adjective-noun "human nature" implies - then there is something within humans that is of nature herself - Is it possible that the many fragmented spiritual paths that have emerged in different parts of the world merely reflect the different environs from which they developed, and that in fact, they all are searching for the same essence? - If so, then in perhaps the times we are in are calling us for a global recognition of our common denominators that make us ALL human, - and then the even deeper common denominator with nature herself - So what are those qualities we all have in common as human beings? - and also, what are the qualities our species has in common with nature herself? - neuroscientist David Eagleman coined the term "possibileanism". Perhaps it is that?

for - rapid whole system change - need for something that will create a new form of altruism - Ronald Wright - transition - requires an experience of re-awakening transition - need for a new religion? Deep Humanity?

comment 10 July 2024 - Deep Humanity is our attempt at this. It is not a religion, however. It is humanity, but in the deepest sense, so it is accessible to anyone in our species. Our tagline has been - Rekindling wonder in an age of crisis - However, this morning an adjacency occurred:

adjacency - between - familiarity - wonder - adjacency relationship - Familiarity hides wonder - Richard Dawkins said: - There is an anaesthetic of familiarity, - a sedative of ordinariness - which dulls the senses and hides the wonder of existence. - For those of us not gifted in poetry, - it is at least worth while from time to time - making an effort to shake off the anaesthetic. - What is the best way of countering the sluggish habitutation brought about by our gradual crawl from babyhood? - We can't actually fly to another planet. - But we can recapture that sense of having just tumbled out to life on a new world - by looking at our own world in unfamiliar ways. - That is, when a type of experience becomes familiar through repeated sensory episodes, - we lose the feeling of wonder we had when we initially experienced it - It's much like visiting a place for the very first time. We are struck with a sense of wonder because everything is unpredictable, in a safe way. We have no idea what's around the next corner. It's a surprise. - However, once we live there, and have traced that route hundreds of times, we have transformed that first magical experience into mundane experience. - So it is with everything that makes us human, with all the foundational things about reality that we learned from the moment we were born. - They have all become jaded. We've forgotten the awe of those first experiences in this reality: - our first experience of our basic senses - our first breath of air, instead of amniotic fluid - our first integration of multiple sensory experiences into a cohesive whole - the birth of objectification - the very first application of objectification to form the object we called mOTHER - the Most significant OTHER - our first encounter with the integration of multiple sensory stimuli associated with each object we construct - our first encounter with auditory human, speech symbols - our first experience with object continuity - how objects still exist even if they disappear from view momentarily - do we remember freaking out when mOTHER disappeared from view momentarily? - our first ability to communicate with mOTHER through speech symbols - our first encounter with ability to control our bodies through our own volition - our first encounter with gravity, the pull towards the ground - our first encounter with a large bright sphere suspended in the sky - our first encounter with perspective, how objects change size in our field of view as they get nearer or farer - etc... - What's missing now, is that we have repeated all these experiences so many times, that the feeling of awe no longer emerges with life - To generate awe, the repertoire of existing experiences is insufficient - now we have to create NEW experiences, we have to create novelty - Mortality Salience can help jolt us out of this fixation on novelty, and remind us of the sacred that is already here all the time - For, what happens at the time of death? All the constructions we have taken for granted in life disappear all at once, or perhaps some before others - Hence, we begin to re-experience them as relative, as constructions, and not absolutes - All living organisms have their own unique umwelt - These umwelts are all expressions of the sacred, sensing itself in different ways

• What is required is a kind of awakening, or re-awakening
• When religions do their job, it gives us a framework to engage in a shared sense of the sacred, of wonder in the mundane
• In a sense, Deep Humanity is identifying that most vital commonality in all religions and seeing all their diverse intersectionalities in simply being deeply human
• We awakened once, when we were born into the world
  • then we fell asleep through the dream of familiarity
• Now, we have to collectively re-awaken to the wonder we all experienced in that initial awakening experience as newborns

Coogan, Michael David, Marc Zvi Brettler, Carol Ann Newsom, and Pheme Perkins, eds. The New Oxford Annotated Bible: New Revised Standard Version with Apocrypha, An Ecumenical Study Bible. Fully Revised Fourth. 1962. Reprint, New York: Oxford University Press, 2010.

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Evidence that religion, sexuality, and all the shallow ideas of romance is not enough to define their relationship -- it is their similar intuition, and his amazing gift for reading people. Also.. this is like Sammy!!!

Bad history can be paraded under the umbrella of propaganda, not to serve to tell the story of the past, but to tell a story about a coming future.

Example of a church mixing religion with social and political order and resultant problems.

See also: scholasticism

The True Cost of the Churchgoing Bust by [[Derek Thompson]]

islam is the new world religion, because islam has the necessary aggression and stupidity

29:40 Demonising "toxic masculinity" makes it grow stronger

See this in relation to Dune 2 scene in which the princess comments to the emperor that "Surpressing the prophet (Paul) will only make the religion grow"

dieses schwarz/weiss denken ist so lächerlich...<br /> aber dumme menschen brauchen einfache weltbilder<br /> also "antifa" ist auch nur eine religion, mystik, emo blabla, falsche hoffnung

Joy quoting Nietzsche

Some do, yes, but it's interesting to note that when Bill Joy was writing this a strong anti-science movement was afoot in the United States of America.

for - history - King Philip II - El Escorial - polycrisis - religion - history - adjacency - polycrisis - war - religion - epoche - CHD

Adjacency - between - polycrisis - war - religion - epoche - CHD - history - adjacency statement - King Philip II is an interesting historical figure who left behind this enormous physical artefact of El Escorial. - So much of history has revolved around the religious beliefs of leaders, and how those beliefs are entangled and enacted in wars, enslavement, politics and power. - Phillip's fervent Catholicism drove him to expand his empire, fight wars with the Ottoman empire and Protestants and build the sprawling El Escorial complex. - The building was designed to express his Catholic beliefs - from the monastery to the Basilica, secret relic room, to library and mausoleum. His beliefs were responsible for driving his behaviour, which influenced much of humanity during his rule. - religion's power have influenced many powerful people of history, resulting in mass influence on society, including perpetuating inequality, extractionism, colonialism and violence - all in the name of a concept of apprehending the great mystery of life. - The desire to understand the great mystery of life and death has been hijacked to perpetuate great harm instead. What is needed now is a wisdom commons for the entire species that can help elevate, deepen and interconnect all the legacy belief systems before it. For in spite of the great variety of belief systems, they are fundamentally united through a common humans denominator - they all require human beings. - It is a deficiency in any existing systems that can justify offering and violence against other belief systems and claim the throne of THE one and only, true belief system. Indeed, the claim of "the truth" is itself already a poison since it is never achievable. An epoche for the common person is necessary to penetrate the weak link of the argument itself, the linguistic social conditioning which enables storytelling itself. - the inability to collectively grasp the symbolosphere, the noosphere compells us towards beliefs, out of which self- righteousness, self- reification and othering blossom.

for - spiritual collectives - non-dogmatic spirituality

summary adjacency between - spiritual collectives - Deep Humanity - Adjacency statement - There is a growing movement of people disenchanted with the contradictions, trauma or dogma of many mainstream religions. - Evangelical pastors and followers are converting to a more open and inclusive spiritual practice. - This growing movement has close resemblance to Deep Humanity in its openess to all religions and spiritual practices as long as they do not bring harm, and the lack of dogmatism. - There could be a good opportunity for synergies since spiritual collectives take an open source / commons approach to spiritual practice wherein we collaborate to surface the best principles to live by. - From a commons / open source perspective, we give this the name - open source religion - open source spirituality

reply to u/sscheper at https://www.reddit.com/r/Zettelkasten/comments/18u39ca/comment/kfi3nl4/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

It's not a Luhmann Zettelkasten if ~~it's digital~~ Luhmann didn't make it. 🗃️

There, I've fixed it for ya...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_Age

https://www.amazon.com/Great-Transformation-Beginning-Religious-Traditions/dp/0385721242

• for: science and religion, flat earth misconception, DH, Deep Humanity - science and religion - historical relationship

• summary

  • Dutch historian Jochem Boodt explains how fake news isn't something new, but as old as the history books!
  • Science and religion were not antagonist in early Western history, as is believed today. This was fake news fabricated in a fascinating way.
  • He uses the example of the common misconception that before Columbus, people thought the earth was flat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmyVf_LhF50

Nothing new or interesting here. Watched at 2x.

Sad revelation is that Scott Scheper has indoctrinated Nico to the point that he's making videos for Scheper's channel rather than for himself. I hope Nico is getting something valuable (ie, monetary payment) for this.

sourcing on this?

• for: narratives - science and religion, stories - science and religion, symbolosphere, meaningverse, multi-meaningverse

• comment

  • Harari is saying that both science and the diversity of religions are both telling a story. Both are fictional in the deeper sense that they are all stories and stories are all created by humans in the symbolosphere
  • Science, or religion, cannot be found merely in the books that write about them, no matter how many libraries or harddrives of 1s and 0s they take up
  • How do we know this? Easy. If an ant or butterfly or sunflower is exposed to a physical book or pdf on on ANY scientific subject, or ANY religious topic, will it understand it? No, of course not. Only a human fully conditioned into the symbolosphere will be able to interact with that physical or informational object and get something meaningful out of it. That is because we have all learned to co-participate in a collective meaningverse.

En la Sorbonne, Le Bras fue maestro de Pablo González Casanova.

Sociología de la religión (ayudó a PGC vincular la emancipación humana desde la religión hasta la ciencia)

PCG lo menciona en la presentación del libro "Explotación, colonialismo y lucha por la democracia en América Latina", el 9 de noviembre de 2019, en la FCPyS de la UNAM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goUunGy2cS4

Heather Stark in I've Been To Over 20 Homeschool Conferences. The Things I've Witnessed At Them Shocked Me.

• for: colonialism - role of religion

• comment

  • Using religion as justification of violence committed against the other is liberally found throughout history

https://www.reddit.com/r/antinet/comments/17rbqaz/teaching_is_the_best_way_to_learn/

Example of someone using the phrase "Antinet Evangelistic Starter Boxes". It's a box of cards for god's sake! If you're going to productize it, then be a capitalist about it, but "evangelizing" it?!

• for: epoche, epoche - interfaith applications, bracketing, applied epoche, Deep Humanity, DH, polycrisis, political polarization, religious polarization, epoche - research application

• comment

  • I performed Google search for "Epoche and application to interfaith religion"
  • The reason is that I am exploring a hunch of the salience of applying epoche for deep interfaith understanding
  • political polarization constitutes an existential threat and is one important crisis in our current polycrisis
  • Unless we find ways to effectively and rapidly reduce polarization, the other crisis's such as climate crisis, biodiversity crisis and inequality crisis will likely not be resolved
  • religious polarization form ingroups / outgroups and is a major contributing factor to political polarization and violent conflict
  • hence it becomes important to understand how interfaith understanding can be enhanced
  • epoche appears to be one possible way to accelerate interfaith understanding

• for: epoche, epoche - interfaith applications, Deep Humanity, DH, polycrisis, poltical polarization, religious polarization, hermenneutic, hermeneutical phenomenological method

• summary

  • a very insightful paper

• comment

  • I performed Google search for "Epoche and application to interfaith religion"
  • The reason is that I am exploring a hunch of the salience of applying epoche for deep interfaith understanding
  • political polarization constitutes an existential threat and is one important crisis in our current polycrisis
  • Unless we find ways to effectively and rapidly reduce polarization, the other crisis's such as climate crisis, biodiversity crisis and inequality crisis will likely not be resolved
  • religious polarization form ingroups / outgroups and is a major contributing factor to political polarization and violent conflict
  • hence it becomes important to understand how interfaith understanding can be enhanced
  • epoche appears to be one possible way to accelerate interfaith understanding

• for: epoche, epoche - interfaith applications, Deep Humanity, DH, polycrisis, political polarization, religious polarization

• comment

  • I performed Google search for "Epoche and application to interfaith religion"
  • The reason is that I am exploring a hunch of the salience of applying epoche for deep interfaith understanding
  • political polarization constitutes an existential threat and is one important crisis in our current polycrisis
  • Unless we find ways to effectively and rapidly reduce polarization, the other crisis's such as climate crisis, biodiversity crisis and inequality crisis will likely not be resolved
  • religious polarization form ingroups / outgroups and is a major contributing factor to political polarization and violent conflict
  • hence it becomes important to understand how interfaith understanding can be enhanced
  • epoche appears to be one possible way to accelerate interfaith understanding

Ungenerous to take Alter to task for context which he might not have the background to comment upon.

Does Alter call it a "platitude" from it's historical context, or with respect to the modern context of Donald J. Trump and a wide variety of Republican Party members who are anything but Christian?

Was ein widerlicher, selbstgerechter, überheblicher Kommentar. Menschenverachtung total. Ich schalte den hier nur frei, damit jeder sehen kann, wie manche Leute ticken. Von Karma haben Sie schonmal gehört? Passen Sie auf, dass es Sie nicht heimsucht.

danke, ich hab keine geheimnisse, und keine angst vor die dumme mehrheit : )

ich scheiss auf deine “karma” religion. dafür hast du noch nie von “intravenöses vitamin C” gehört…

sorry, wenn ich zwischen juden christen moslems wählen muss, dann wähle ich moslems.

Scott continues in his efforts not to make any main notes, but is pushing the indexing of ideas where they live directly in books using only a topic in his index and a page number.

He calls this practice, which he himself practices, sacrilegious. 00:00:27

What happened to pushing knowledge-building?!?

This is the second video I've seen him do this. (Previously: https://hypothes.is/a/28AkYFadEe6ZH_MjTZlnLQ). So his Antinet zettelkasten is now primarily an index and bibliographic cards with fleeting notes. He's specifically leaving out any of what he has previously called main notes.

In neighboring cultures in which both have oral practices relating to massebah, one is not just destroying "sacred stones" to stamp out their religion, but it's also destroying their culture and cultural memory as well as likely their laws and other valuable memories for the function of their society.

View this in light also of the people of Israel keeping their own sacred stones (Hosea 10:1) as well as the destruction of pillars dedicated to Baal in 2 Kings 18:4 and 2 Kings 23:14.

(Link and) Compare this to the British fencing off the land in Australia and thereby destroying Songlines and access to them and the impact this had on Indigenous Australians.

It's also somewhat similar to the colonialization activity of stamping out of Indigenous Americans and First Nations' language in North America, though the decimation of their language wasn't viewed in as reciprocal way as it might be viewed now. (Did colonizers of the time know about the tremendous damage of language destruction, or was it just a power over function?)

Relationship to the first two commandments against worshiping other gods and the use of idols?

How does this relate to the standing stone found in the room at Khirbet Qeiyafa from the time of David?

Dates of this text with respect to Khirbet Keiyafa?

• for: science - awakening wonder, Deep Humanity, adjacency, adjacency - science - religion

38:00 psychotherapy as entangling lies, religious confession also

• for: science and religion, Newton - religion, science and religion - Bob Inglis, CHD

• for: science - religion, science - spirituality, science and religion, science and spirituality, Isaac Newton - spirituality, Isaac Newton - religion

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  • don't forget Isaac Newton!
• reference
  • https://hyp.is/go?url=https%3A%2F%2Frsc.byu.edu%2Fconverging-paths-truth%2Fbrief-survey-sir-isaac-newtons-views-religion&group=world

• for: spirituality and science, spirituality and sustainability, spirituality - missing link, Isaac Newton
• title: Is spirituality the missing pillar of sustainability?
• author: Tom Greenwood
• date: Aug. 24, 2023

• for: quote, quote - Isaac Newton, quote - spirituality and science, quote - science and religion, quote - spirituality - science, quote - religion - science
• quote
  • • for: quote, quote - Isaac Newton, quote - spirituality and science, quote - science and religion, quote - spirituality - science, quote - religion - science
• quote
  • When I wrote my treatise about our system
  • I had an eye upon such principles as might work with considering men for the belief of a Deity;
  • and nothing can rejoice me more than to find it useful for that purpose..
• author: Isaac Newton
• reference
  • Isaac Newton, Principia, ed. Stephen Hawking (Philadelphia: Running Press, 2002), 426–27.
• author: Isaac Newton
• reference
  • Isaac Newton, Original letter from Isaac Newton to Richard Bentley, 189.R.4.47, ff. 4A-5, Trinity College Library, Cambridge, UK; found on the Newton Project website: http://www.newtonproject.sussex.ac.uk/view/texts/normalized/THEM00254; spelling and punctuation modernized.

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• quote
  • This Being governs all things,
    • not as the soul of the world,
    • but as Lord over all.
  • . . . The Supreme God is a Being eternal, infinite, absolutely perfect
  • . . . and from his true dominion it follows that the true God is a
    • living,
    • intelligent, and
    • powerful Being.
  • . . . He is not
    • eternity and
    • infinity, -but
    • eternal and
    • infinite;
  • he is not
    • duration or
    • space,
  • but he
    • endures and
    • is present.
• author: Isaac Newton
• reference
  • Isaac Newton, Principia, ed. Stephen Hawking (Philadelphia: Running Press, 2002), 426–27.

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• quote
  • Does it not appear from phenomena
  • that there is a Being
    • incorporeal,
    • living,
    • intelligent,
    • omnipresent,
  • who in infinite space
  • sees the things themselves intimately, and
  • thoroughly perceives them, and
  • comprehends them wholly.
• author: Isaac Newton
• reference
  • Isaac Newton, Opticks, 4th ed. (London: William Innys, 1730), 344; spelling and punctuation modernized.

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• quote
  • Whence is it that Nature doth nothing in vain?
  • And whence arises all that order and beauty which we see in the world?
  • Was the eye contrived without skill in optics?
  • And the ear without knowledge of sounds?
• author: Isaac Newton
• reference
  • Isaac Newton, Opticks, 4th ed. (London: William Innys, 1730), 344; spelling and punctuation modernized.

• for: spirituality and science, spirituality - science, science and religion, Isaac Newton - spirituality, Isaac Newton - religion
• title: A Brief Survey of Sir Isaac Newton's Views on Religion
• author: Steven E. Jones
• source:
  • https://rsc.byu.edu/converging-paths-truth/brief-survey-sir-isaac-newtons-views-religion
• comment
  • Newton was a serious theological scholar who was driven to use science to validate his conception of God
  • Newton's scientific work is therefore a testament to the union between the deepest, common aspiration and motivations for science and religion, that is universal wonder of being

fascinating example of anti toxic capitalism...

"vaguely spiritual NGO"!

Why can't these community activities be done in a religion-free environment? Is God actually needed here? What else could serve as the glue? Or is community itself the glue.

It's really saying something that in paragraph 2 the "sell" for religion is the health and social benefits and outcomes rather than the love or support of god(s)!

In a culture obsessed with productivity, some activities with potentially beneficial (but potentially hidden) outcomes can crowd out other seemingly more important activities, especially when one is overscheduled.

Extreme focus on financial and professional success has driven people to give less time to communal spaces and experiences including religious life.

Is this specific to America's brand of toxic capitalism or do other WEIRD economies experience this?

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• key insight
  • Ludwig Feuerbach
    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Feuerbach
    • quote
      • "In the consciousness of the infinite, the conscious subject has for his object the infinity of his own nature."
      • "If man is to find contentment in God, he must find himself in God."
    • Thus God is nothing else than human: he is, so to speak, the outward projection of a human's inward nature.
    • This projection is dubbed as a chimera by Feuerbach, that God and the idea of a higher being is dependent upon the aspect of benevolence.
    • Feuerbach states that "a God who is not benevolent, not just, not wise, is no God",

-quote - religion is a place where human beings alienate their intrinsic superpowers - author - Timotny Morton, quoting Ludwig Feuerbach

Christian Faith and spiritual gifts.

n the Christian faith, it is a similar concept, but it is bestowed by the Holy Spirit, and many denominations believe it can allow someone to know whether a demonic of heavenly influence is over a person, place, or event. It is also a gift that can be requested, used, or ignored.

"religion of filmmaking"

//In Other Words - Money is the new secular reiigion

Religion was a major part of Hittite life as was the military and war. In all parts of strategy and execution, the gods were consulted before carrying out any military campaigns.

Wonderful conversation between Sheila Heti, her brother, and three of their friends, about the Annie Hall 'I need the eggs' joke that ends the film.

amen

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/20/anglicans-reject-justin-welby-as-head-of-global-church-amid-anger-at-same-sex-blessings

Recall both the seriousness and the violence and cruelty of the Salem witch trials which were roughly contemporaneous.

This site is a cesspool of authoritarian, fascist-apologist, conspiracist mind-mangling content. It's a good place to find out what kinds of bizarre notions people (particularly Catholics of an authoritarian bent) are being fed, and consuming — ridiculous fabrications and warped interpretations of the sort contributing (with giddy joy) to the suffocation of democratic inclinations and institutions.

The site does have some interesting images. I think this will be an inspiration for some dystopian and horror fiction ideas.

Origin and continuation boycott made this unique.

Protestant Paranoia: The American Protective Association Oath

In 1887, Henry F. Bowers founded the nativist American Protective Association (APA) in Clinton, Iowa. Bowers was a Mason, and he drew from its fraternal ritual—elaborate regalia, initiation ceremonies, and a secret oath—in organizing the APA. He also drew many Masons, an organization that barred Catholics. The organization quickly acquired an anti-union cast. Among other things, the APA claimed that the Catholic leader of the Knights, Terence V. Powderly, was part of a larger conspiracy against American institutions. Even so, the APA successfully recruited significant numbers of disaffected trade unionists in an era of economic hard times and the collapse of the Knights of Labor. This secret oath taken by members of the American Protective Association in the 1890s revealed the depth of Protestant distrust and fear of Catholics holding public office.

I do most solemnly promise and swear that I will always, to the utmost of my ability, labor, plead and wage a continuous warfare against ignorance and fanaticism; that I will use my utmost power to strike the shackles and chains of blind obedience to the Roman Catholic church from the hampered and bound consciences of a priest-ridden and church-oppressed people; that I will never allow any one, a member of the Roman Catholic church, to become a member of this order, I knowing him to be such; that I will use my influence to promote the interest of all Protestants everywhere in the world that I may be; that I will not employ a Roman Catholic in any capacity if I can procure the services of a Protestant.

I furthermore promise and swear that I will not aid in building or maintaining, by my resources, any Roman Catholic church or institution of their sect or creed whatsoever, but will do all in my power to retard and break down the power of the Pope, in this country or any other; that I will not enter into any controversy with a Roman Catholic upon the subject of this order, nor will I enter into any agreement with a Roman Catholic to strike or create a disturbance whereby the Catholic employes may undermine and substitute their Protestant co-workers; that in all grievances I will seek only Protestants and counsel with them to the exclusion of all Roman Catholics, and will not make known to them anything of any nature matured at such conferences.

I furthermore promise and swear that I will not countenance the nomination, in any caucus or convention, of a Roman Catholic for any office in the gift of the American people, and that I will not vote for, or counsel others to vote for, any Roman Catholic, but will vote only for a Protestant, so far as may lie in my power. Should there be two Roman Catholics on opposite tickets, I will erase the name on the ticket I vote; that I will at all times endeavor to place the political positions of this government in the hands of Protestants, to the entire exclusion of the Roman Catholic church, of the members thereof, and the mandate of the Pope.

To all of which I do most solemnly promise and swear, so help me God. Amen.

Source: "The Secret Oath of the American Protective Association, October 31, 1893," in Michael Williams, The Shadow of the Pope (New York: McGraw-Hill Book Co., Inc., 1932), 103–104. Reprinted in John Tracy Ellis, ed., Documents of American Catholic History (Milwaukee: The Bruce Publishing Company, 1956), 500–501.

This is a meaningful observation. It could be effective to avoid this in mission work.

!- Einstein : reconciling religion and science

why keep harping on this framing?

belief is a charged word when attempting to build systems for uncovering truths...

There's some flawed logic here in that Ward Cunningham outlined his version of a wiki and others who created versions thereafter modified and potentially expanded on that original "definition". We now have a general consensus of a wiki, but it's not necessarily the same for everyone. Scheper doesn't leave any fungible room in the semantics of his argument here and thereby forces one into a practicing the "one true way", which doesn't exist as even Luhmann's own practice varied over time.

Harnessing the dictionary into fronting for his zettelkasten religion?

note the pathos along with a bit of religious zeal here about the "true way".